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(BBC)   London is now the sixth largest French city. This is not a repeat of 1560   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 62
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2012-05-30 08:22:02 AM  
Could be worse. London could be the sixth largest American city. Hah!
 
2012-05-30 08:22:37 AM  
Meh. I don't know if it is still true or not but for years Warsaw, Poland was the only city in the world that had a higher population of Polish people than Chicago.
 
2012-05-30 08:23:43 AM  
Malika is much in-demand as an illustrator. Her commissions include a bold, playful design for a new edition of the Kama Sutra...

Anyone know how to ask "How you doing?" en Francais?

*checks pic*

Meh, strike that last.

A Frenchwoman in London? Along with 300,000 other descendants of Asterix?

Guess they came for the weather and stayed for the food.

*blink*

/What?
 
2012-05-30 08:29:36 AM  

quatchi: Malika is much in-demand as an illustrator. Her commissions include a bold, playful design for a new edition of the Kama Sutra...

Anyone know how to ask "How you doing?" en Francais?


I know it was a joke, but any excuse to use my GCSE French...

Ça va :)
 
2012-05-30 08:30:58 AM  
FTA: "If you want security and nice holidays you stay in France. If you crave adventure and want to get new skills, you come here,"


This is why you want people coming to your country. Not because of the welfare system but because of the opportunities.
 
2012-05-30 08:30:59 AM  
I think I read that there are more Puerto Ricans and Puerto Rican descendants in the NYC area, than there actually are on Puerto Rico.
 
2012-05-30 08:38:52 AM  
That article wandered aimlessly around immigrants in London and ends somewhere in St. Denis. Was there a point or was this a random space filler?
 
2012-05-30 08:41:13 AM  
1560? What is that, the Spanish Armada?

*checks*

Not quite, but subby was probably thinking of 1066.
 
2012-05-30 08:41:38 AM  
Have to move somewhere. All the Muslims are taking over France. It's kind of like how all the white people in the USA are moving north as the Mexicans move in across the border more.
 
2012-05-30 08:41:48 AM  

footshot: quatchi: Malika is much in-demand as an illustrator. Her commissions include a bold, playful design for a new edition of the Kama Sutra...

Anyone know how to ask "How you doing?" en Francais?

I know it was a joke, but any excuse to use my GCSE French...

Ça va :)


Tres bien! ^_^

Merci Beaucoup.

Now, do I also need to go to Google to learn how to translate my body English into body French or would that be overkill?
 
2012-05-30 08:44:03 AM  
Also not a repeat from 1067.
 
2012-05-30 08:45:52 AM  

I Love Rooster: Have to move somewhere. All the Muslims are taking over France. It's kind of like how all the white people in the USA are moving north as the Mexicans move in across the border more.


I thought teh moozlims were taking over England too?!? These French people will have to re-think their cunning escape plan.
 
2012-05-30 08:46:09 AM  

quatchi: footshot: quatchi: Malika is much in-demand as an illustrator. Her commissions include a bold, playful design for a new edition of the Kama Sutra...

Anyone know how to ask "How you doing?" en Francais?

I know it was a joke, but any excuse to use my GCSE French...

Ça va :)

Tres bien! ^_^

Merci Beaucoup.

Now, do I also need to go to Google to learn how to translate my body English into body French or would that be overkill?


No I can help there too, just shrug lots... ;)
 
2012-05-30 08:47:10 AM  

kildog: I Love Rooster: Have to move somewhere. All the Muslims are taking over France. It's kind of like how all the white people in the USA are moving north as the Mexicans move in across the border more.

I thought teh moozlims were taking over England too?!? These French people will have to re-think their cunning escape plan.


Tell them to move to America. We need more French people.
 
2012-05-30 08:49:05 AM  

Cythraul: kildog: I Love Rooster: Have to move somewhere. All the Muslims are taking over France. It's kind of like how all the white people in the USA are moving north as the Mexicans move in across the border more.

I thought teh moozlims were taking over England too?!? These French people will have to re-think their cunning escape plan.

Tell them to move to America. We need more French people.


Whatever for?
 
2012-05-30 08:50:07 AM  

kildog: Cythraul: kildog: I Love Rooster: Have to move somewhere. All the Muslims are taking over France. It's kind of like how all the white people in the USA are moving north as the Mexicans move in across the border more.

I thought teh moozlims were taking over England too?!? These French people will have to re-think their cunning escape plan.

Tell them to move to America. We need more French people.

Whatever for?


I dunno. I hear the French make good food. We need more tasty treats.
 
2012-05-30 09:43:45 AM  
Stay tuned, for more exciting scenes from "Docteur Qui!"
 
2012-05-30 09:45:19 AM  
Déchiré!!!
 
2012-05-30 09:51:01 AM  

Doc Daneeka: I think I read that there are more Puerto Ricans and Puerto Rican descendants in the NYC area, than there actually are on Puerto Rico.


I read the same thing about Boston...there are more people claiming Irish ancestry than the entire population of Ireland.
 
2012-05-30 09:51:43 AM  
7th. They forgot Montreal.
 
2012-05-30 09:52:41 AM  
Newark, NJ has the highest Portuguese speaking population outside of Portuguese or Brazil.
 
2012-05-30 09:53:31 AM  
of Portugal..

/damn you imaginary autocorrect
 
2012-05-30 09:56:05 AM  
Ils ont pris nos travaux!
 
2012-05-30 09:58:04 AM  

christhebloke: 7th. They forgot Montreal.


Nvmd. Quebecois ain't French.
 
2012-05-30 10:05:33 AM  

kildog: I Love Rooster: Have to move somewhere. All the Muslims are taking over France. It's kind of like how all the white people in the USA are moving north as the Mexicans move in across the border more.

I thought teh moozlims were taking over England too?!? These French people will have to re-think their cunning escape plan.


I'm sure its just a pit stop until they hop their way over to Canada to mingle with their Montreal brethren.
 
2012-05-30 10:08:38 AM  
The French seem to be Expat happy. Everywhere Ive been in SE Asia the French have outnumbered almost every other 1st world expat population (except for Aussies in Indonesia). Is living in France that terrible that you have to get out?

/Current expat
//Hopeful future expat somewhere else
///Hows Germany these days?
 
2012-05-30 10:11:01 AM  

Doc Daneeka: I think I read that there are more Puerto Ricans and Puerto Rican descendants in the NYC area, than there actually are on Puerto Rico.


No, the correct statement is that there are more Puerto Ricans in the whole of the US, excluding Puerto Rico, than there are in Puerto Rico. It's still close, with just over 4 million Puerto Ricans in the mainland and just under 4 million in Puerto Rico.
 
2012-05-30 10:16:54 AM  
There is a Brazilian enclave in Galway, I find that unusual
 
2012-05-30 10:17:37 AM  
I like how an article starting out talking about the cross-cultural connections between London and France ends up just talking about how horrible France is.
 
2012-05-30 10:20:03 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Also not a repeat from 1067.


Or 1790.
 
2012-05-30 10:21:11 AM  

hasty ambush: FTA: "If you want security and nice holidays you stay in France. If you crave adventure and want to get new skills, you come here,"


This is why you want people coming to your country. Not because of the welfare system but because of the opportunities.


I got the feeling all the people interviewed were chosen to present a particular viewpoint. I'm disinclined to knock Frances' "welfare state" on the basis of this one article.
 
2012-05-30 10:21:16 AM  
Don't you mean 1216 when London was occupied by Prince Louis of France?
 
2012-05-30 10:22:20 AM  

The Bestest: Newark, NJ has the highest Portuguese speaking population outside of Portuguese or Brazil.


And damn good restaurants!
 
2012-05-30 10:22:38 AM  

Doc Daneeka: I think I read that there are more Puerto Ricans and Puerto Rican descendants in the NYC area, than there actually are on Puerto Rico.


I've heard there are more people of Irish decent in the USA than there are people in Ireland, but I'm not sure how you'd verify such a claim.
 
2012-05-30 10:27:00 AM  

I Love Rooster: Have to move somewhere. All the Muslims are taking over France. It's kind of like how all the white people in the USA are moving north as the Mexicans move in across the border more.


Yes, I glanced out my window just now and saw several white people running up the street clearly fleeing the Mexican hordes. Maybe I should blast some Lawrence Welk as a kind of moral encouragement.
 
2012-05-30 10:37:45 AM  

Lunaville: hasty ambush: FTA: "If you want security and nice holidays you stay in France. If you crave adventure and want to get new skills, you come here,"


This is why you want people coming to your country. Not because of the welfare system but because of the opportunities.

I got the feeling all the people interviewed were chosen to present a particular viewpoint. I'm disinclined to knock Frances' "welfare state" on the basis of this one article.


I didn't read this article as a knock on the welfare state, I can identify with the plight of some of these young professionals. In TFA they talked about how hard it is for a new employee to get hired because of the difficulty of firing them in France. Personally, I'm a BA holder who is in a similar situation in the US, employers less willing to "take a risk" (though for different circumstances than these people). I could stay in the US and work jobs that don't pay as well as I would like or go elsewhere. I chose elsewhere.

Frances programs DO provide security though. Job security, welfare, max work week hours, etc etc. The UK, being less welfare state-y, has less government built security but more opportunity. Hence, the ex-pats.
 
2012-05-30 10:44:49 AM  
As a descendant of a Huguenot mercantiler that fled to London in 18th Century, I'm getting a kick.
 
2012-05-30 10:45:00 AM  
FTA: "I find the system much easier here - you don't have so many rules and so much paperwork"

If you are starting a business the UK is fairly red tape free compared to most places. Even in the US many states make you get a business licence before you can start trading. In the UK you don't even have to tell the taxman you have started a business until three months after you start trading.

We think it's bad, but compared to lots of places it's a doddle.
 
2012-05-30 10:56:58 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Also not a repeat from 1067.


So close, the answer we were looking for was "Moops." What are the "Moops."
 
2012-05-30 11:01:25 AM  
The French have taken London and the English have taken Provence. A good deal for the English, London is vile.
 
2012-05-30 11:03:11 AM  

Glenford: Doc Daneeka: I think I read that there are more Puerto Ricans and Puerto Rican descendants in the NYC area, than there actually are on Puerto Rico.

I read the same thing about Boston...there are more people claiming Irish ancestry than the entire population of Ireland.


Sadly, not quite. Although the Irish are the largest ethnic group in the city, they only account for about 15% of the population. Both the Republic of Ireland and the Boston metro area have a population of ~4.5 million, so the isle of Éire is still home to more Hibernians than the fair city of Boston.
 
2012-05-30 11:46:20 AM  

Lunaville: hasty ambush: FTA: "If you want security and nice holidays you stay in France. If you crave adventure and want to get new skills, you come here,"


This is why you want people coming to your country. Not because of the welfare system but because of the opportunities.

I got the feeling all the people interviewed were chosen to present a particular viewpoint. I'm disinclined to knock Frances' "welfare state" on the basis of this one article.


My statement still stands. The type of immigrants you want coming to your country are the ones looking for opportunities to better themselves not for how much "free stuff" they can get through the social/welfare system.
 
2012-05-30 12:03:19 PM  

Gunny Walker: Ils ont pris nos travaux!


Good try, good grammar, but there's a French slang term for work that might be a better translation: boulot.

Ils ont pris nos boulots!

Métro, boulot, dodo. (Subway, work, sleep. The daily grind of the Parisien(ne) or Montréalais(e) worker, blue or white collar.)
 
2012-05-30 12:38:26 PM  
The British, for their part, have bought up massive numbers of houses in Brittany, Normandy, and Paris in addition to the usual vacation homes in Southern France. The suburbs start at Calais.

We've become a truly global economy and society in the big cities and immigration is reaching out from a few footholds or beachheads to whole countries. Mexicans are picking fruit in BC, Ontario and Nova Scotia (I expect) and potatoes in Maine. Latin Americans are no longer a border state phenomenon--I hear more Spanish in Ottawa than a few years ago as middle class tourists, business people and students, as well as refugees and immigrants become more numerous.

There are Portugeuse and Muslim people in Inuvik, one of Canada's most Northern communities.

This causes problems for some xenophobes, but enriches us all because there are jobs going begging even in countries with Depression-era unemployment--many skilled working class occupations such as electricians and "intellectual" work such as engineers and nurses are chronically in short supply almost everywhere.

The studies I have seen and common sense tell me that the "jerbs" that immigrants are taking make more jobs for the locals. Without an engineer, how can you run a plant or build a building? The electrician does his thing and twenty other men can get on with doing their thing. A good nurse means doctors can stop doing busy work (and half of their responsible doctor work) and get on with the really profitable medicine.

At the same time, the presence of one non-white family is multiplied by a factor of five or six in the minds of racists and xenophobes and they scream that they are being over-run. In one conservative French town (that elected a National Front Député to the French Assembly, a poll showed that people thought 75% of the population was immigrants. The real number was well under 20%, perhaps 10%. Things you fear look larger. Basic animal psychology and basic human psychology.
 
2012-05-30 12:51:31 PM  

KwameKilstrawberry: As a descendant of a Huguenot mercantiler that fled to London in 18th Century, I'm getting a kick.


Woo hoo! Another Huguenot! My ancestors fled France to England and Wales after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes. (Sorry if I'm overenthusiastic, but opportunities for Huguenot shout-outs are few and far between.)
 
2012-05-30 12:51:36 PM  

Arkanaut: 1560? What is that, the Spanish Armada?

*checks*

Not quite, but subby was probably thinking of 1066.


No, actually thinking of 1560, when the Huguenots started fleeing France for England and all points Protestant.

/subby
 
2012-05-30 01:07:43 PM  

Renart: KwameKilstrawberry: As a descendant of a Huguenot mercantiler that fled to London in 18th Century, I'm getting a kick.

Woo hoo! Another Huguenot! My ancestors fled France to England and Wales after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes. (Sorry if I'm overenthusiastic, but opportunities for Huguenot shout-outs are few and far between.)


I'm an ancestry geek...I approve.

/Gramps coulda saved me a few sous, though. Apparently he was loaded. Such is the legacy of third and fourth sons...sigh.
 
2012-05-30 01:39:30 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I think I read that there are more Puerto Ricans and Puerto Rican descendants in the NYC area, than there actually are on Puerto Rico.


After shopping in my local Wal-Mart, I think that there are more Mexicans in the US than in Mexico.

/ I was one of about 10 people speaking English
 
2012-05-30 04:04:00 PM  

brantgoose: The British, for their part, have bought up massive numbers of houses in Brittany, Normandy, and Paris in addition to the usual vacation homes in Southern France. The suburbs start at Calais.

We've become a truly global economy and society in the big cities and immigration is reaching out from a few footholds or beachheads to whole countries. Mexicans are picking fruit in BC, Ontario and Nova Scotia (I expect) and potatoes in Maine. Latin Americans are no longer a border state phenomenon--I hear more Spanish in Ottawa than a few years ago as middle class tourists, business people and students, as well as refugees and immigrants become more numerous.

There are Portugeuse and Muslim people in Inuvik, one of Canada's most Northern communities.

This causes problems for some xenophobes, but enriches us all because there are jobs going begging even in countries with Depression-era unemployment--many skilled working class occupations such as electricians and "intellectual" work such as engineers and nurses are chronically in short supply almost everywhere.

The studies I have seen and common sense tell me that the "jerbs" that immigrants are taking make more jobs for the locals. Without an engineer, how can you run a plant or build a building? The electrician does his thing and twenty other men can get on with doing their thing. A good nurse means doctors can stop doing busy work (and half of their responsible doctor work) and get on with the really profitable medicine.

At the same time, the presence of one non-white family is multiplied by a factor of five or six in the minds of racists and xenophobes and they scream that they are being over-run. In one conservative French town (that elected a National Front Député to the French Assembly, a poll showed that people thought 75% of the population was immigrants. The real number was well under 20%, perhaps 10%. Things you fear look larger. Basic animal psychology and basic human psychology.


Not all countries are as fortunate as Canada:

i.telegraph.co.uk

i.telegraph.co.uk

Canada has the right immigration policy, but it's a bit of a cheat. Unless you can truly prove that you are politically persecuted, you're not getting in without a Mechanical Engineering degree and a job waiting for you. You skim the world's creme de la creme of immigrants.
 
2012-05-30 04:15:19 PM  

christhebloke: christhebloke: 7th. They forgot Montreal.

Nvmd. Quebecois ain't French.


Neither is London. They should've said "Xth largest French-speaking city". Montreal is the 2nd, after Paris, of course.
 
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