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2012-05-30 07:25:00 AM
His next leak will be in sweden.
 
2012-05-30 07:31:41 AM

FlameDuck: His next leak will be in sweden.


But will he be leaked to the US?
 
2012-05-30 07:31:44 AM
He lost his appeal? I never knew he had any appeal.
 
2012-05-30 07:34:58 AM
This guy seems to think he's above the law. Do anything he wants and just justify it as a "greater good". Leak state secrets and endanger field operatives, damage diplomatic relations and push nations towards war: it's all good because he's exposing "secrets and lies", as if it's always bad to keep secrets and it's always bad for states to lie.

He even looks like an arrogant, smug weasel.

With his bent towards rationalizing everything I could certainly believe those sex charges. It would be really easy for him to think "no means yes", "she really wants it even if she says she doesn't", or "I'm a hero to the world, whatever I do is morally acceptable".

He (or his supporters) try to spin these charges as somehow created by the CIA as retribution for what he did. I think it's more of the idea he thinks he's somehow above the rules and is so arrogant he doesn't think that women could even turn him down. He then appeals to conspiracy theorists by saying that all charges against him are planted.

Did the CIA create the charges? Probably not. Are they quite happy that there are people complaining against him and he's going to take a fall? Hell yeah.
 
2012-05-30 07:45:10 AM
Y'know, as much as this guy is a total cock, you'd have to be blind to not see this is about punishing him for Wikileaks.

Polanski has been jetting around Europe for decades, and he was actually convicted of something. it's unheard of to put this much effort into extraditing someone this quickly over charges that wouldn't even see court in most countries (in the US, no prosecutor would bring a rape charge against a man when the woman admits to consenting the night before and there's no evidence of force or coercion - they wouldn't want the loss on their record).
 
2012-05-30 07:46:22 AM

Gunther: Y'know, as much as this guy is a total cock, you'd have to be blind to not see this is about punishing him for Wikileaks.

Polanski has been jetting around Europe for decades, and he was actually convicted of something. it's unheard of to put this much effort into extraditing someone this quickly over charges that wouldn't even see court in most countries (in the US, no prosecutor would bring a rape charge against a man when the woman admits to consenting the night before and there's no evidence of force or coercion - they wouldn't want the loss on their record).


Pretty much this.
 
2012-05-30 07:46:40 AM

ginandbacon: FlameDuck: His next leak will be in sweden.

But will he be leaked to the US?


No. That is Republican Propaganda. He hasn't broken any US law. They would have no idea what to do with him if they had him.
 
2012-05-30 07:50:22 AM

Silverstaff: This guy seems to think he's above the law. Do anything he wants and just justify it as a "greater good". Leak state secrets and endanger field operatives, damage diplomatic relations and push nations towards war: it's all good because he's exposing "secrets and lies", as if it's always bad to keep secrets and it's always bad for states to lie.

He even looks like an arrogant, smug weasel.

With his bent towards rationalizing everything I could certainly believe those sex charges. It would be really easy for him to think "no means yes", "she really wants it even if she says she doesn't", or "I'm a hero to the world, whatever I do is morally acceptable".

He (or his supporters) try to spin these charges as somehow created by the CIA as retribution for what he did. I think it's more of the idea he thinks he's somehow above the rules and is so arrogant he doesn't think that women could even turn him down. He then appeals to conspiracy theorists by saying that all charges against him are planted.

Did the CIA create the charges? Probably not. Are they quite happy that there are people complaining against him and he's going to take a fall? Hell yeah.


That is quality trolling. 9/10 imo.
 
2012-05-30 07:51:39 AM

Gunther: Y'know, as much as this guy is a total cock, you'd have to be blind to not see this is about punishing him for Wikileaks.

Polanski has been jetting around Europe for decades, and he was actually convicted of something. it's unheard of to put this much effort into extraditing someone this quickly over charges that wouldn't even see court in most countries (in the US, no prosecutor would bring a rape charge against a man when the woman admits to consenting the night before and there's no evidence of force or coercion - they wouldn't want the loss on their record).


The law in Sweden is very different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_The_Swedish_Judicial_Authority# Arrest_warrant
 
2012-05-30 07:52:17 AM

Gunther: Y'know, as much as this guy is a total cock, you'd have to be blind to not see this is about punishing him for Wikileaks.

Polanski has been jetting around Europe for decades, and he was actually convicted of something. it's unheard of to put this much effort into extraditing someone this quickly over charges that wouldn't even see court in most countries (in the US, no prosecutor would bring a rape charge against a man when the woman admits to consenting the night before and there's no evidence of force or coercion - they wouldn't want the loss on their record).


The law in Sweden is very different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_The_Swedish_Judicial_Authority# Arrest_warrant

Oh and he is an ass-hat.
 
2012-05-30 07:52:29 AM
This has to be a bogus charge, all this effort for an allegation of some guy touching a girl..not even rape.
 
2012-05-30 07:54:04 AM
No doubt fark's commited rape-liars (I won't call them out by name but you can find them in this thread) will be along soon to subtly insinuate that Assanage should be found guilty without due process, just to make it easier for themselves should they wish to destroy a man's life for no reason other than spite.

Meanwhile, if you are following the debate, I suggest reading the actual complaint. You will wonder what the fuss is about. Then google Marianne Ny... nasty.
 
2012-05-30 07:56:20 AM
Yeah, take THAT justice!
 
2012-05-30 07:58:16 AM

THE GREAT NAME: No doubt fark's commited rape-liars (I won't call them out by name but you can find them in this thread) will be along soon to subtly insinuate that Assanage should be found guilty without due process, just to make it easier for themselves should they wish to destroy a man's life for no reason other than spite.

Meanwhile, if you are following the debate, I suggest reading the actual complaint. You will wonder what the fuss is about. Then google Marianne Ny... nasty.


And I suggest that you follow your own advice...let all the facts come out while the courts hammer it out. And when you have as many facts as possible, then (and only then) form your opinion on guilt or innocence. Sounds to me like you're doing the exact same thing as the other side of the coin.
 
2012-05-30 08:05:11 AM

praymantis: The law in Sweden is very different


Yeah, but you don't usually go to an enormous amount of effort to extradite someone to another country for something that wouldn't even get a charge in your country. Hell, a lot of the times the authorities won't bother extraditing someone for serious convictions: There's any number of US criminals in Canada who haven't done anything serious enough to start the laborious extradition procedure over - usually a sexual assault charge wouldn't be enough.
 
2012-05-30 08:06:26 AM

Silverstaff: Leak state secrets and endanger field operatives, damage diplomatic relations and push nations towards war


Do you have any evidence -at all- that these have been the results of wikileaks' revelations? Secretary Gates himself said charges that he had somehow damaged the US were overblown, and P.J. Crowley, the Public Affairs head for the State Department, was forced to resign for saying pretty much the same thing in the course of criticizing the way Bradley Manning has been held.

And what have been these "state secrets" that he's leaked? Marines massacring Iraqi villagers. US helicopter pilots murdering reporters. Proof of crimes, corruption, and complicity with US atrocities. The sort of things our media used to report before it became the lapdog it is today; the reality behind the lies our government feeds us. Would you really rather not know about the crimes committed in your name? Would you really rather buy that idiotic clap-trap about us "making the world safe for democracy" and the US military being the most professional, heroic, and humane force in the world rather than face cold, hard, facts?

It is possible Mr. Assange raped those women; I wasn't there and I don't know the guy so until the issue is tried I certainly can't say anything definitive on it. But what I can say is that wikileaks has done a huge favor to everyone concerned with transparency and democracy in this world. Dictators have fallen, and government crimes brought to book, at least in part because of the work wikileaks has done. No matter how despicable Mr. Assange may or may not be, the work he has done with that organization has certainly improved the world, if only a little bit.
 
2012-05-30 08:06:44 AM

Mad Tea Party: Silverstaff: This guy seems to think he's above the law. Do anything he wants and just justify it as a "greater good". Leak state secrets and endanger field operatives, damage diplomatic relations and push nations towards war: it's all good because he's exposing "secrets and lies", as if it's always bad to keep secrets and it's always bad for states to lie.

He even looks like an arrogant, smug weasel.

With his bent towards rationalizing everything I could certainly believe those sex charges. It would be really easy for him to think "no means yes", "she really wants it even if she says she doesn't", or "I'm a hero to the world, whatever I do is morally acceptable".

He (or his supporters) try to spin these charges as somehow created by the CIA as retribution for what he did. I think it's more of the idea he thinks he's somehow above the rules and is so arrogant he doesn't think that women could even turn him down. He then appeals to conspiracy theorists by saying that all charges against him are planted.

Did the CIA create the charges? Probably not. Are they quite happy that there are people complaining against him and he's going to take a fall? Hell yeah.

That is quality trolling. 9/10 imo.


Your tax dollars at work!
 
2012-05-30 08:07:25 AM
There's a summary of the charges against Assange here:

Link

I'm not familiar with Swedish law, but reading between the lines of this story it appears to me that Assange made the common mistake of f**king two women at once, and that the women found out about each other and decided to fix his ass.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, though.
 
2012-05-30 08:10:47 AM

LL316:
And I suggest that you follow your own advice...let all the facts come out while the courts hammer it out. And when you have as many facts as possible, then (and only then) form your opinion on guilt or innocence. Sounds to me like you're doing the exact same thing as the other side of the coin.


No seriously, read the complaint. You'll see there are no "facts" to answer. The complaint is a story about some pretty uinremarkable sexual encounters in which not much of note occurred. They are carefully worded to touch on two loopholes in Swedish law that allow non-rape to be treated as rape - a gold mine to rape-liars and their apologists.
 
2012-05-30 08:15:07 AM
Fitting that he should be extradited to Sweden as so many of his detractors have an obvious case of Stockholm Syndrome.
 
2012-05-30 08:18:52 AM

Gunther: Y'know, as much as this guy is a total cock, you'd have to be blind to not see this is about punishing him for Wikileaks.


Gunther - you are correct. But the country Assanage offended is not USA. It is Sweeden.

Assanage tried to filter the leaks for anything excessively embarassing to nominal friendly governments as well as anything life-threatening.

But he did not appreciate the politics. Sweeden obsessively propogates a myth of neutrality in international affairs, something it has done for 200 years and which it believes protected it from WW1, WW2 etc. So when Assanage leaked that they had been colaborating with USA over counter-terrorism, it was deeply embarassing.

That (along with rage-eyed feminazis who measure their world in units of rapiness) is the issue.
 
2012-05-30 08:19:51 AM
This is awesome news!!

We will be able to celebrate the 68th anniversary of D-Day by torturing Assange at GITMO!!

Use this as a warning all those who seek to embarrass our military empire!!
 
2012-05-30 08:26:03 AM

pippi longstocking: This has to be a bogus charge, all this effort for an allegation of some guy touching a girl..not even rape.


It was a bit more than touching, but a bit less than rape.

A woman who told you she'd only have sex with you if you used a condom, who wakes up with you inside her sans condom, does have a legitimate complaint. And he did it twice.

/allegedly
//but that's still not what this is about
 
2012-05-30 08:26:26 AM
There is absolutely no way he can get a fair trial in the US, its just not going to happen. I expect they will import him to Guantanamo bay though, so that he can be tortured there, and probably die of "medical complications" or something.
 
2012-05-30 08:29:24 AM

Heron: And what have been these "state secrets" that he's leaked? Marines massacring Iraqi villagers. US helicopter pilots murdering reporters. Proof of crimes, corruption, and complicity with US atrocities. The sort of things our media used to report before it became the lapdog it is today; the reality behind the lies our government feeds us. Would you really rather not know about the crimes committed in your name? Would you really rather buy that idiotic clap-trap about us "making the world safe for democracy" and the US military being the most professional, heroic, and humane force in the world rather than face cold, hard, facts?


Well, since I've still got an active security clearance and the things that were leaked are still legally classified, I can't repeat them.

However, yeah, there were plenty of things in there that were damaging. The media jumped all over a few things like what you mentioned.

However, the dump that Manning handed over was hundreds of thousands of files. They obviously weren't sifted and scanned through.

Yes, the names of informants weren't in those files, generally. PFC Manning stole from SIPRNet, which is files up to the SECRET/NOFORN level. Information like the identity of HUMINT sources is SCI, that's Top Secret and stored on JWICS (or other TS/SCI networks).

The real damage was in the diplomatic cables. What certain countries told us in confidence about what they really thought about other countries. What certain world powers told us they would do if possible conflicts broke out (including telling us they'd screw over countries that most of the world thinks is allied with them).

I've got friends in the Foreign Service, and that dump has made life miserable on them because of the damage control they did, the foreign relations that are still damaged, and how much harder it's made work for them. Also, knowing that SIPRNet had a leak in it has made them very shy about giving their honest impressions, opinions and analysis in internal communications, even over secure channels.

As somebody who works in the Intelligence Community, I can say that life got much harder because of the clampdown on security trying to plug that leak. Why they let PFC Manning carry a CD into a SIPR room was just lazy, but security managers have become determined the next leak won't happen on their watch, so they've really upped security, but also made it a lot harder to do legitimate work.

Do I have explicit details of people who were physically hurt? No. The IC is a big place, and the work I do is elsewhere. Has it hurt us? Yes. Yes it has.

If somebody was hurt because of the leak, the incident itself and the details around it would probably still be classified, since it was based around a document that was itself classified, and it couldn't be discussed.

If PFC Manning, or Mr. Assange was just wanting to shine a light on alleged war crimes, they could have just released those files. If PFC Manning was really motivated by the desire to be a whistleblower, he did it in the worst way. If he was motivated to shine a light on alleged war crimes, he should have copied the specific files substantiating his allegations to a CD-ROM, and anonymously mailed copies to reporters at various major US newspapers (USA Today, Los Angeles Times, New York Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune) and let the investigative journalists have a field day with it.

PFC Manning handed off a dump of hundreds of thousands of unredacted classified files to a foreign national with the intent of global distribution, that showed wanton disregard for the safety of the people those secrets protected, and a complete abrogation of his sworn oath to protect his nations secrets.

I just regret that they aren't pursuing the death penalty for PFC Manning. I know a few hundred soldiers who would volunteer for his firing squad (yeah, I know we don't use firing squads anymore, but I still know plenty of people who would like to be part of one).
 
2012-05-30 08:31:16 AM

wgrant: There is absolutely no way he can get a fair trial in the US, its just not going to happen. I expect they will import him to Guantanamo bay though, so that he can be tortured there, and probably die of "medical complications" or something.


Who are you talking about?
 
2012-05-30 08:34:22 AM

Silverstaff: I've got friends


They're not friends. Trust me on this.

They're Commie sympathizers who are attempting to pollute your precious bodily fluids.
 
2012-05-30 08:34:33 AM

wgrant: There is absolutely no way he can get a fair trial in the US


www.sundriesshack.com
 
2012-05-30 08:36:38 AM

Silverstaff: Heron: And what have been these "state secrets" that he's leaked? Marines massacring Iraqi villagers. US helicopter pilots murdering reporters. Proof of crimes, corruption, and complicity with US atrocities. The sort of things our media used to report before it became the lapdog it is today; the reality behind the lies our government feeds us. Would you really rather not know about the crimes committed in your name? Would you really rather buy that idiotic clap-trap about us "making the world safe for democracy" and the US military being the most professional, heroic, and humane force in the world rather than face cold, hard, facts?

Well, since I've still got an active security clearance and the things that were leaked are still legally classified, I can't repeat them.

However, yeah, there were plenty of things in there that were damaging. The media jumped all over a few things like what you mentioned.

However, the dump that Manning handed over was hundreds of thousands of files. They obviously weren't sifted and scanned through.

Yes, the names of informants weren't in those files, generally. PFC Manning stole from SIPRNet, which is files up to the SECRET/NOFORN level. Information like the identity of HUMINT sources is SCI, that's Top Secret and stored on JWICS (or other TS/SCI networks).

The real damage was in the diplomatic cables. What certain countries told us in confidence about what they really thought about other countries. What certain world powers told us they would do if possible conflicts broke out (including telling us they'd screw over countries that most of the world thinks is allied with them).

I've got friends in the Foreign Service, and that dump has made life miserable on them because of the damage control they did, the foreign relations that are still damaged, and how much harder it's made work for them. Also, knowing that SIPRNet had a leak in it has made them very shy about giving their honest impressions, opinions and analysis in i ...


That was a whole lot of words saying nothing. Nobody cares what some random grunt says on Fark. Link to someone credible or give it up. The idea that you are privy to anything and bragging about it on public forums on the internet shows how ridiculous your postings are.
 
2012-05-30 08:40:43 AM

Gunther: Y'know, as much as this guy is a total cock, you'd have to be blind to not see this is about punishing him for Wikileaks.


This. He gets arrested using overwhelming police force, on very suspicious charges then gets extradited in record time. Whether or not you agree with what Assange was doing, the way he's being silenced should leave any right thinking person with a sense of fear and outrage.
 
2012-05-30 08:43:12 AM
Ok. Sweden seems like a `fair trial' sort of a country. Look, whatever you think of the guy, he either raped someone or he didn't. Let justice figure it out and hopefully get it right.
 
2012-05-30 08:43:42 AM

THE GREAT NAME: LL316:
And I suggest that you follow your own advice...let all the facts come out while the courts hammer it out. And when you have as many facts as possible, then (and only then) form your opinion on guilt or innocence. Sounds to me like you're doing the exact same thing as the other side of the coin.

No seriously, read the complaint. You'll see there are no "facts" to answer. The complaint is a story about some pretty uinremarkable sexual encounters in which not much of note occurred. They are carefully worded to touch on two loopholes in Swedish law that allow non-rape to be treated as rape - a gold mine to rape-liars and their apologists.


You are correct---I've recently read a ton about this--that Swedish law is very strange, and Wikileaks' most memorable leak is that collateral damage video, where a bunch a children are killed because they re with suspected terrorists. This really stinks like a revenge gig.

Oh, and is Bradley Manning still in solitary?
 
2012-05-30 08:44:48 AM

Nrokreffefp: Silverstaff: Heron: And what have been these "state secrets" that he's leaked? Marines massacring Iraqi villagers. US helicopter pilots murdering reporters. Proof of crimes, corruption, and complicity with US atrocities. The sort of things our media used to report before it became the lapdog it is today; the reality behind the lies our government feeds us. Would you really rather not know about the crimes committed in your name? Would you really rather buy that idiotic clap-trap about us "making the world safe for democracy" and the US military being the most professional, heroic, and humane force in the world rather than face cold, hard, facts?

Well, since I've still got an active security clearance and the things that were leaked are still legally classified, I can't repeat them.

However, yeah, there were plenty of things in there that were damaging. The media jumped all over a few things like what you mentioned.

However, the dump that Manning handed over was hundreds of thousands of files. They obviously weren't sifted and scanned through.

Yes, the names of informants weren't in those files, generally. PFC Manning stole from SIPRNet, which is files up to the SECRET/NOFORN level. Information like the identity of HUMINT sources is SCI, that's Top Secret and stored on JWICS (or other TS/SCI networks).

The real damage was in the diplomatic cables. What certain countries told us in confidence about what they really thought about other countries. What certain world powers told us they would do if possible conflicts broke out (including telling us they'd screw over countries that most of the world thinks is allied with them).

I've got friends in the Foreign Service, and that dump has made life miserable on them because of the damage control they did, the foreign relations that are still damaged, and how much harder it's made work for them. Also, knowing that SIPRNet had a leak in it has made them very shy about giving their honest impressions, opinions and ...


You would have to be a total farking moran to think that Arab states shouldn't keep secret when they are allying with the US.You would have to be a total farking moran to believe that releasing individual companies supply lists and troop numbers isn't a HUGE endangerment to soldiers. You would have to be a total farking moran to believe that Arabic citizens listed as cooperating with troops aren't going to face retribution.

/believes you are a total farking moran.
 
2012-05-30 08:47:57 AM
www.cormee.com
 
2012-05-30 08:48:55 AM

Voiceofreason01: Gunther: Y'know, as much as this guy is a total cock, you'd have to be blind to not see this is about punishing him for Wikileaks.

This. He gets arrested using overwhelming police force, on very suspicious charges then gets extradited in record time. Whether or not you agree with what Assange was doing, the way he's being silenced should leave any right thinking person with a sense of fear and outrage.


Yea, cuz all those undercover field operatives he got killed in Iran is just small potatos anyway.
 
2012-05-30 08:52:27 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel:
Yea, cuz all those undercover field operatives he got killed in Iran is just small potatos anyway.


Names, photographs and next-of-kin contact details please, or I won't believe you.
 
2012-05-30 08:52:53 AM

TimonC346: Oh, and is Bradley Manning still in solitary?


Yes, and the UN recently denounced his treatment as torture.

Also,

0.polizeros.com
 
2012-05-30 09:48:58 AM
imontheinternet Props man.......
 
2012-05-30 09:52:25 AM
He is staying in the mansion of a supporter?

Who knew that the 1%ers liked him.
 
2012-05-30 09:54:38 AM

imontheinternet: TimonC346: Oh, and is Bradley Manning still in solitary?

Yes, and the UN recently denounced his treatment as torture.
oh uh. that sharply worded letter is on it's way. 0bama better be worried.

Also,

[0.polizeros.com image 320x573]


stupid picture, stupid thinking. did the corps agree to a TOS that would let Julian take use their data?
 
2012-05-30 09:58:57 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: imontheinternet: TimonC346:
Also,

[0.polizeros.com image 320x573]

stupid picture, stupid thinking. did the corps agree to a TOS that would let Julian take use their data?


A better comparison would be between Assanage and the UK's totaltitarian government. The latter takes your private info without any TOS or opt-out and gives it to power-mongraing state operatives who use it to try to control yourt life, whilst charging YOU for the cost of the whole thing.
 
2012-05-30 10:00:09 AM

imontheinternet: TimonC346: Oh, and is Bradley Manning still in solitary?

Yes, and the UN recently denounced his treatment as torture.

Also,

[0.polizeros.com image 320x573]


Awesome picture, awesome thinking :) Did the corps cover up underhand dealings that isn't acceptable to any decent human being?
 
2012-05-30 10:00:44 AM
aren't, isn't, whatever :)
 
2012-05-30 10:04:56 AM

pippi longstocking: This has to be a bogus charge, all this effort for an allegation of some guy touching a girl..not even rape.


Actually, the allegation is non-consensual penetration, so... yeah, even rape.
 
2012-05-30 10:06:30 AM

Voiceofreason01: Gunther: Y'know, as much as this guy is a total cock, you'd have to be blind to not see this is about punishing him for Wikileaks.

This. He gets arrested using overwhelming police force, on very suspicious charges then gets extradited in record time. Whether or not you agree with what Assange was doing, the way he's being silenced should leave any right thinking person with a sense of fear and outrage.


It's been more than 18 months... Not really "record time".
 
2012-05-30 10:08:19 AM

Theaetetus: pippi longstocking: This has to be a bogus charge, all this effort for an allegation of some guy touching a girl..not even rape.

Actually, the allegation is non-consensual penetration, so... yeah, even rape.


Actually. the allegation is not non-consensual penetration, so... go rubber stamp some stupid inventions, you rape-liar.
 
2012-05-30 10:08:30 AM

footshot: imontheinternet: TimonC346: Oh, and is Bradley Manning still in solitary?

Yes, and the UN recently denounced his treatment as torture.

Also,

[0.polizeros.com image 320x573]

Awesome picture, awesome thinking :) Did the corps cover up underhand dealings that isn't acceptable to any decent human being?


did the corps break the law? citation?

so you are saying it is okay for Zuckerberg to leak data if it is about the underhand dealings of any of the facebook users.
That is what you are going with?
 
2012-05-30 10:13:50 AM

THE GREAT NAME: Theaetetus: pippi longstocking: This has to be a bogus charge, all this effort for an allegation of some guy touching a girl..not even rape.

Actually, the allegation is non-consensual penetration, so... yeah, even rape.

Actually. the allegation is not non-consensual penetration, so... go rubber stamp some stupid inventions, you rape-liar.


The allegation is that he penetrated some woman while she was sleeping, after she told him not to before they fell asleep, so, do you have a different name for that?

/and your impotent rage is misplaced: the patent examiners would be the ones rubber stamping things
 
2012-05-30 10:16:49 AM

footshot: imontheinternet: TimonC346: Oh, and is Bradley Manning still in solitary?

Yes, and the UN recently denounced his treatment as torture.

Also,

[0.polizeros.com image 320x573]

Awesome picture, awesome thinking :) Did the corps cover up underhand dealings that isn't acceptable to any decent human being?


So you okay with the police illegally obtaining information about people, and widely disseminating that info in order to stop them underhand dealings or illegal activity. Same thing.
 
2012-05-30 10:20:35 AM

Theaetetus: THE GREAT NAME: Theaetetus: pippi longstocking: This has to be a bogus charge, all this effort for an allegation of some guy touching a girl..not even rape.

Actually, the allegation is non-consensual penetration, so... yeah, even rape.

Actually. the allegation is not non-consensual penetration, so... go rubber stamp some stupid inventions, you rape-liar.

The allegation is that he penetrated some woman while she was sleeping, after she told him not to before they fell asleep, so, do you have a different name for that?

/and your impotent rage is misplaced: the patent examiners would be the ones rubber stamping things


Don't bother. The fark misogynists are you in full force today.
 
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