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(Fox News)   Kansas Governor signs a bill banning Islamic Law from being used in the state. Wants all legal disputes to continue to be settled in the traditional Kansas way .. with a mob and a rope   (foxnews.com ) divider line
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2012-05-30 07:24:09 AM  
So all you have to do is prove that being prolife and that radical Muslims hate gays and the fun shall verily begin!
 
2012-05-30 07:29:13 AM  
The new law, taking effect July 1, doesn't specifically mention Shariah law, which broadly refers to codes within the Islamic legal system. Instead, it says courts, administrative agencies or state tribunals can't base rulings on any foreign law or legal system that would not grant the parties the same rights guaranteed by state and U.S. constitutions.

So it provides protection for people that they already had under the basic f*cking concept of Constitutionalism, that was already the law of the land.

The problem with this is that the people who aren't bigots don't care about the non-issue of Shariah law taking over America, and the bigots are simply having their insane conspiracy theory reinforced by making this law. It won't make them less crazy or concerned, after all, if this needed to be made law there must be a reason, right?!
 
2012-05-30 07:38:27 AM  
What do you need a broom for?
 
2012-05-30 07:40:37 AM  
Does this mean that Rabbinical courts couldn't mediate non-criminal disputes? Or that the Holy See cannot block the ordination of women?
 
2012-05-30 07:57:53 AM  
This is one of those cases where I'd actually say that the word "bigot" isn't strong enough to describe the people involved. The word used to describe them needs to capture the essence of bigot, certainly, but it also needs to somehow reflect mind-numbing paranoia and self-delusion as well as encapsulate small-minded provinciality and a complete commitment to sustaining ignorance in all forms. "Bigot" falls a little short in the narrowness of its focus; we need something more expansive in its accounting of idiocy.
 
2012-05-30 08:15:07 AM  
Home of the brave, my ass
 
2012-05-30 08:15:26 AM  
I don't have a problem with this IF they also ban any xtian influence on the interpretation of law.

Keep all of the invisible sky wizards out the court rooms and we're good.
 
2012-05-30 08:21:49 AM  
What's next, flying cars?

Why, yes! Link in the article:
Link
 
2012-05-30 08:22:33 AM  
Oopsie, wrong thread...
 
2012-05-30 08:25:10 AM  

Pocket Ninja: This is one of those cases where I'd actually say that the word "bigot" isn't strong enough to describe the people involved. The word used to describe them needs to capture the essence of bigot, certainly, but it also needs to somehow reflect mind-numbing paranoia and self-delusion as well as encapsulate small-minded provinciality and a complete commitment to sustaining ignorance in all forms. "Bigot" falls a little short in the narrowness of its focus; we need something more expansive in its accounting of idiocy.


Thunderbigot?
 
2012-05-30 08:32:58 AM  

kronicfeld: Thunderbigot?


I actually kind of like the sound of that.
 
2012-05-30 08:33:14 AM  

ginandbacon: Does this mean that Rabbinical courts couldn't mediate non-criminal disputes? Or that the Holy See cannot block the ordination of women?


More practically, it means that divorce courts can't recognize any marriages performed outside of the US (i.e. for immigrant couples) and that companies in Kansas cannot enter into contracts with any foreign companies or entities and expect to be able to go to court in Kansas.
 
2012-05-30 08:34:12 AM  
So what he did was sign a law mandating the separation of Church and State?

Awesome.
 
2012-05-30 08:45:12 AM  
Makes me want to punch Aunty Em
 
2012-05-30 08:46:17 AM  
So that means that the christians can't put the 10 commandments in public places or teach the bible in schools?
 
2012-05-30 08:48:50 AM  
Congratulations. You've accomplished nothing while managing to look like a complete asshole at the same time. This must be a big day for you, Kansas.

Does the Governor actually believe this, or is he just pandering to crazy people? I don't know which is worse.
 
2012-05-30 08:48:59 AM  

soia: So that means that the christians can't put the 10 commandments in public places or teach the bible in schools?


Heh, you wish. It's okay for Christians to do it, since this is a Christian nation.
 
2012-05-30 08:49:51 AM  

RexTalionis: ginandbacon: Does this mean that Rabbinical courts couldn't mediate non-criminal disputes? Or that the Holy See cannot block the ordination of women?

More practically, it means that divorce courts can't recognize any marriages performed outside of the US (i.e. for immigrant couples) and that companies in Kansas cannot enter into contracts with any foreign companies or entities and expect to be able to go to court in Kansas.


What a cunning plan.
 
2012-05-30 08:50:07 AM  

Aarontology: So what he did was sign a law mandating the separation of Church and State?

Awesome.


The opposite actually. If Catholics want to live by canon law, that's their 1st Amendment protection.
 
2012-05-30 08:52:30 AM  
The GOP: A solution looking for a problem
 
2012-05-30 08:54:30 AM  

hinten: What's next, flying cars?

Why, yes! Link in the article:
Link


Not if they're flying Muslim cars.

/Never. Forget.
 
2012-05-30 08:54:36 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-30 08:55:32 AM  
Meh, wake me up the day the Christian extremists and Muslim extremists figure out they have waaay more in common with each other than with the rest of secular society.

That's gonna be a helluva day.

Till then, carry on, wayward sons and daughters of Kansas.
 
2012-05-30 08:56:24 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: The GOP: A solution looking for a problem


A problem looking for a "problem" to exploit.
 
2012-05-30 08:57:50 AM  
There are no known cases in which a Kansas judge has based a ruling on Islamic law. However, supporters of the bill have cited a pending case in Sedgwick County in which a man seeking to divorce his wife has asked for property to be divided under a marriage contract in line with Shariah law.

Oh noes! Teh horror! We must pass a law!

Pussies.
 
2012-05-30 08:57:56 AM  
This is what the Founding Fathers would have wanted. That is why they made such an effort to include Jesus in the Constitution. Too bad 0bama is just wiping his ass with it.
 
2012-05-30 09:40:10 AM  
I wonder if he'd also be interested in buying my rock that keeps away tigers?
 
2012-05-30 09:40:28 AM  
Somebody, please tell me I'm not the first to notice or do this...

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2012-05-30 09:42:32 AM  
Do the people of Kansas realize or even care that their state government is wasting its time passing laws that (1) fail to address any actual problem, and (2) are guaranteed to result in a lawsuit against the state, with a federal court striking the law down as unconstitutional?

Seriously, talk about government waste. These pointless, grandstanding, nonsensical laws are an utter and complete waste of government resources.
 
2012-05-30 09:46:22 AM  

Cythraul: soia: So that means that the christians can't put the 10 commandments in public places or teach the bible in schools?

Heh, you wish. It's okay for Christians to do it, since this is a Christian nation.


The 10 commandments thing in courthouses still doesn't make any sense, considering only 3 commandments are considered crimes in civilian court.
 
2012-05-30 09:46:30 AM  
Kansas is quickly turning into the test case for whether the Tea Party can run a government. Eliminating taxes for most rich individuals and the biggest businesses, destroying public services, reducing education funding, de facto eliminating or criminalizing abortion, turning every issue into partisan warfare, failing to accomplish constitutionally mandated activities like redistricting and developing a budget...if there weren't almost 3 million people getting farked over by these stupid farking rules (including myself), I would laugh. Instead, I uncontrollably weep.
 
2012-05-30 09:47:56 AM  

Chummer45: These pointless, grandstanding, nonsensical laws are an utter and complete waste of government resources.


Welcome to the 2011-2012 Kansas legislature. Anybody want to take a stab at the dollar amount spent paying third party attorneys to defend abortion legislation recently passed?
 
2012-05-30 09:49:35 AM  
 
2012-05-30 09:49:36 AM  
ah, more small government from the GOP...
 
2012-05-30 09:50:09 AM  

Chummer45: Do the people of Kansas realize or even care that their state government is wasting its time passing laws that (1) fail to address any actual problem, and (2) are guaranteed to result in a lawsuit against the state, with a federal court striking the law down as unconstitutional?

Seriously, talk about government waste. These pointless, grandstanding, nonsensical laws are an utter and complete waste of government resources.


At least some of us do, man. I know Lawrence thinks Brownback and his ilk are absolutely terrible, but there's only so much a town of 100K can do against the rest of the state that varies from relatively moderate to residing in Thar Be Dragons territory.
 
2012-05-30 09:51:38 AM  

CrackpipeCardozo: Chummer45: These pointless, grandstanding, nonsensical laws are an utter and complete waste of government resources.

Welcome to the 2011-2012 Kansas legislature. Anybody want to take a stab at the dollar amount spent paying third party attorneys to defend abortion legislation recently passed?


The latest figures I saw were over $600K.
 
2012-05-30 09:58:23 AM  
The blocking of religious law as a factor in American legal decisions is redundant due to the First Amendment. It's silly to pass an additional law dealing with that, but at least as currently worded, it does no harm.

The blocking of foreign law as a factor in American legal decisions... I've got to be honest, I'm OK with that. There have been a number of cases where contemporary foreign law has been used to justify some rather "creative" interpretations of a certain "living document," as though it were subject to fashion. This, I believe, needs to be stopped.
 
2012-05-30 10:01:23 AM  

Doc_Gerbil: I don't have a problem with this IF they also ban any xtian influence on the interpretation of law.

Keep all of the invisible sky wizards out the court rooms and we're good.


As George Carlin once said and Im paraphrasing here... "There's a reason you cant claim God told you to "Do it" in court in this country."
 
2012-05-30 10:02:02 AM  

Millennium: The blocking of foreign law as a factor in American legal decisions... I've got to be honest, I'm OK with that. There have been a number of cases where contemporary foreign law has been used to justify some rather "creative" interpretations of a certain "living document," as though it were subject to fashion. This, I believe, needs to be stopped.


Of which you could almost certainly provide concrete examples of such happenings, correct?
 
2012-05-30 10:03:44 AM  
Millenium - The blocking of foreign law as a factor in American legal decisions... I've got to be honest, I'm OK with that. There have been a number of cases where contemporary foreign law has been used to justify some rather "creative" interpretations of a certain "living document," as though it were subject to fashion. This, I believe, needs to be stopped.


Citation Please
 
2012-05-30 10:04:23 AM  

Millennium: The blocking of foreign law as a factor in American legal decisions... I've got to be honest, I'm OK with that. There have been a number of cases where contemporary foreign law has been used to justify some rather "creative" interpretations of a certain "living document," as though it were subject to fashion. This, I believe, needs to be stopped.


You are aware that the Constitution and virtually all of our law are deeply informed and inspired by the Magna Carta and British common law, right? Should those not be a factor in American legal decisions as well?
 
2012-05-30 10:04:53 AM  

Millennium: The blocking of foreign law as a factor in American legal decisions... I've got to be honest, I'm OK with that. There have been a number of cases where contemporary foreign law has been used to justify some rather "creative" interpretations of a certain "living document," as though it were subject to fashion. This, I believe, needs to be stopped.


Can you hold off for a while I was hoping to stone someone for death for praying to false prophets this weekend.
 
2012-05-30 10:05:23 AM  

Serious Black: Kansas is quickly turning into the test case for whether the Tea Party can run a government. Eliminating taxes for most rich individuals and the biggest businesses, destroying public services, reducing education funding, de facto eliminating or criminalizing abortion, turning every issue into partisan warfare, failing to accomplish constitutionally mandated activities like redistricting and developing a budget...if there weren't almost 3 million people getting farked over by these stupid farking rules (including myself), I would laugh. Instead, I uncontrollably weep.


Heh, it's not just Kansas. The U.S. seems to be in a pattern where it is separating into two distinct nations. We will soon have the 'Red America,' and the 'Blue America.' My suggestion to us both is to move to a blue part (I'm in NC), which I am seriously considering. As soon as I have the means to do so...
 
2012-05-30 10:06:13 AM  
"The new law, taking effect July 1, doesn't specifically mention Shariah law, which broadly refers to codes within the Islamic legal system. Instead, it says courts, administrative agencies or state tribunals can't base rulings on any foreign law or legal system that would not grant the parties the same rights guaranteed by state and U.S. constitutions."

So they're saying "Biblical law, also a no-no!"?

Wow, I'm impressed. I wouldn't have thought they would go there.

/Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
 
2012-05-30 10:08:59 AM  

Serious Black: Kansas is quickly turning into the test case for whether the Tea Party can run a government. Eliminating taxes for most rich individuals and the biggest businesses, destroying public services, reducing education funding, de facto eliminating or criminalizing abortion, turning every issue into partisan warfare, failing to accomplish constitutionally mandated activities like redistricting and developing a budget...if there weren't almost 3 million people getting farked over by these stupid farking rules (including myself), I would laugh. Instead, I uncontrollably weep.


This.
 
2012-05-30 10:09:44 AM  
Now now subby, they used machetes too.
 
2012-05-30 10:09:56 AM  

Millennium: The blocking of foreign law as a factor in American legal decisions... I've got to be honest, I'm OK with that. There have been a number of cases where contemporary foreign law has been used to justify some rather "creative" interpretations of a certain "living document," as though it were subject to fashion. This, I believe, needs to be stopped.


Using foreign law is a far more common occurrence in, say interpretation of contractual terms between a US and foreign entity and also for choice of law issues. In fact, I would say that these kinds of cases comprise 95% of cases that considers foreign law. The rest is largely comprised of cases regarding family law or matrimonial situations.

The type of case you cite accounts for a tiny tiny miniscule minority of cases involving consideration of foreign law. Something like less than 0.5%. Are you willing to throw out a good law that is necessary for a LOT business, torts and matrimonial cases in order to satisfy your animosity to that 0.5% of cases which you don't like (and are usually overturned on appeal, anyway, so your general point is pretty useless)?
 
2012-05-30 10:10:26 AM  

Chummer45: Do the people of Kansas realize or even care that their state government is wasting its time passing laws that (1) fail to address any actual problem, and (2) are guaranteed to result in a lawsuit against the state, with a federal court striking the law down as unconstitutional?

Seriously, talk about government waste. These pointless, grandstanding, nonsensical laws are an utter and complete waste of government resources.


It's better than the laws that attempt to address a problem:
Kansas-has-just-farked-itself
 
2012-05-30 10:12:34 AM  
i47.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-30 10:13:51 AM  
LOL, most constitutionalists don't have the first clue how our laws work.

I would like to see the graduation rates and test scores for the districts that are electing these tea baggers. I theorize that there is a strong correleation.
 
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