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2012-05-30 10:59:20 AM
Wow, who cares.
 
2012-05-30 10:59:21 AM
www.empireonline.com
 
2012-05-30 10:59:55 AM
$$ going up, layoffs going down, little man getting screwed while big man gets richer.

/what else is new?
 
2012-05-30 11:01:56 AM
So after the corporate wars we get rollerball?
 
2012-05-30 11:03:26 AM
Another reason why companies are fleeing the U.S.
 
2012-05-30 11:03:36 AM
This is what it actually looks like?

i141.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-30 11:05:12 AM
It was ever thus. This parallels some of the automotive patent wars of half a century ago that resulted in some great patent pools and cross-licensing deals. The first step of any pool negotiation is setting yourself up as a player, which is what these suits are really about. I'd be surprised to see any of them actually go to a final judgment.
 
2012-05-30 11:05:44 AM
So how long until the G20 come to resolution to kill all existing tech patents after 5-15 years and let the actual free market exist? Because this shiat is just stupid.

Let superior products be the benchmark of success, not patent trolls. Hell, when a company like Kodak changes from innovation to patent trolling, you know the system is horribly broken.
 
2012-05-30 11:07:52 AM
That was a boring graphic and I work in the industry.
 
2012-05-30 11:11:06 AM
Step one: Start up a patent trolling lawyer service
Step two: Convince some corporate honcho in Company A that Company B is infringing your copyright and to SUE, SUE, SUE!
Step 3: PROFIT.

This is the same model that the RIAA got suckered into and only stopped when they realized they were being taken to the cleaners.

Now, goddamn greedy bastard POLITICIANS are getting into that game.

The economy of the 21st century: Never has so much money been made doing so little actual productive work.
 
2012-05-30 11:11:06 AM

Theaetetus: It was ever thus. This parallels some of the automotive patent wars of half a century ago that resulted in some great patent pools and cross-licensing deals. The first step of any pool negotiation is setting yourself up as a player, which is what these suits are really about. I'd be surprised to see any of them actually go to a final judgment.


b..b...b...but that suggests that you actually pay attention! Lets instead just get mad at all them there lawyers!
 
2012-05-30 11:12:15 AM
Open question to the thread - as this is a term that is tossed about with so much frequency:

What does "patent troll" actually mean. To you.

Honest question.
 
2012-05-30 11:16:01 AM
Guess who pays for all of this? Go ahead, guess.
 
2012-05-30 11:17:32 AM

NothingCanPossiblyeGoWrong: Another reason why companies are fleeing the U.S.


So you never heard of the HTC One X phones BEING STOPPED AT CUSTOMS due to patent infringement files by Apple?

Doesn't matter where you make em.
 
2012-05-30 11:19:36 AM
I like Nortel on the chart. They aren't suing anyone, aren't being sued by anybody, and are sharing a shiatton of everything. :D

Man, I'm such a pinko commie.
 
2012-05-30 11:19:39 AM

NothingCanPossiblyeGoWrong: Another reason why companies are fleeing the U.S.


Not only irrelevant, but also incorrect... You'll notice a large portion of these companies are not in the US.

1/10
 
2012-05-30 11:20:39 AM
The whole patent industry cracks me up. Mainly because I work with companies who develop most of their products by pulling up other peoples patents, and blatantly stealing them. Then the companies who actually fight over patents, are fighting over generic crap that they shouldnt own anyhow.

Its quite the world we live in.

/PS china loves our patent database, its like a giant how-to guide
 
2012-05-30 11:21:31 AM

Teiritzamna: Open question to the thread - as this is a term that is tossed about with so much frequency:

What does "patent troll" actually mean. To you.

Honest question.


Someone who owns the patent for trolling, that lurks on forums collecting royalties when other people troll but not really doing any trolling of worth themselves
 
2012-05-30 11:22:02 AM

Teiritzamna: Open question to the thread - as this is a term that is tossed about with so much frequency:

What does "patent troll" actually mean. To you.

Honest question.


Oooh, oooh, Mistah Kottah!

How about "a patent holding company with no manufacturing capability and no research capability, set up for the sole purpose of patent licensing and litigation while being immune to defensive counterclaims of infringement."

But even then, I'd still want to slightly narrow it to the guys who abused forum shopping rules by filing suits against multiple unrelated defendants on opposite coasts, just so that they could claim E.D. Texas was "halfway in between". But the AIA fixes that problem, so I think the above definition is probably sufficient. For example, most University technology licensing offices are set up as offices, rather than separate LLCs.
 
Skr
2012-05-30 11:23:57 AM
Honestly I figure it looks like

[MonkeyFlingingPoop.jpeg]
 
2012-05-30 11:24:14 AM
Graph is crap without including Verizon, which from my own professional experience I can assure you needs whole platoons of lawyers for its various patent cases. And the cases tend to be over extremely basic, ubiquitous technology, e.g. Voice-Over-IP and DVR technology. These aren't patent trolls either, but actual tech-boom companies that were or are a going concern before and then got run over by the big boys.

It's funny actually. These companies developed so many new products and services so quickly that they neglected all the patent rights they were stepping on. Now you've got tons of rent-seekers (spanning various levels of legitimacy) coming out of the woodwork for their pound of flesh. The technological singularity may very well be creating a patent litigation singularity.
 
2012-05-30 11:24:18 AM
I was half expecting to see arrows circling back around on companies (suing themselves), and an arrow or two headed off to nowhere or a giant question mark.
 
2012-05-30 11:26:12 AM

Teiritzamna: Open question to the thread - as this is a term that is tossed about with so much frequency:

What does "patent troll" actually mean. To you.

Honest question.


Suing someone for

a) infringement of a patent you personally did not create

b) infringement of a patent that shouldn't have been granted in the first place, but was due to our broken patent system

c) infringement of a patent in a case you know you would lose in court, in the hopes of settling out of court
 
2012-05-30 11:26:37 AM
WAHHMBULANCE
 
2012-05-30 11:29:19 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Teiritzamna: Open question to the thread - as this is a term that is tossed about with so much frequency:

What does "patent troll" actually mean. To you.

Honest question.

Suing someone for

a) infringement of a patent you personally did not create


That would be 99.99999% of patents, since almost all of them are assigned to the inventor's employer.

b) infringement of a patent that shouldn't have been granted in the first place, but was due to our broken patent system

So someone's a troll through actions of a random examiner, and not their own actions?

c) infringement of a patent in a case you know you would lose in court, in the hopes of settling out of court

This one, I'm okay with... Frivolous suits are always bad.
 
2012-05-30 11:29:37 AM

ByOwlLight: I like Nortel on the chart. They aren't suing anyone, aren't being sued by anybody, and are sharing a shiatton of everything. :D

Man, I'm such a pinko commie.


Selling patents isn't "sharing" anything.
 
2012-05-30 11:29:48 AM

Theaetetus: It was ever thus. This parallels some of the automotive patent wars of half a century ago that resulted in some great patent pools and cross-licensing deals. The first step of any pool negotiation is setting yourself up as a player, which is what these suits are really about. I'd be surprised to see any of them actually go to a final judgment.


Interesting view, I hadn't considered this.
 
2012-05-30 11:33:58 AM
Can Rollerball be far behind?
 
2012-05-30 11:35:04 AM

trappedspirit: Teiritzamna: Open question to the thread - as this is a term that is tossed about with so much frequency:

What does "patent troll" actually mean. To you.

Honest question.

Someone who owns the patent for trolling, that lurks on forums collecting royalties when other people troll but not really doing any trolling of worth themselves


I like the cut of your jib.
 
2012-05-30 11:37:15 AM

Teiritzamna: Open question to the thread - as this is a term that is tossed about with so much frequency:

What does "patent troll" actually mean. To you.

Honest question.


Someone who enforces a patent but does not produce or license the patented invention.

And I do not think this is always a bad thing.

Alonjar: /PS china loves our patent database, its like a giant how-to guide


The patent database is supposed to be a giant how-to guide. That is the whole point.
 
2012-05-30 11:56:03 AM

ByOwlLight: I like Nortel on the chart. They aren't suing anyone, aren't being sued by anybody, and are sharing a shiatton of everything. :D

Man, I'm such a pinko commie.


Nortel is now owned by Avaya, what you are actually seeing there is Avaya cashing out the intellectual property as they gut the company. Which is their privilege, I guess, as they bought it.
 
2012-05-30 12:11:49 PM

trappedspirit: Someone who owns the patent for trolling, that lurks on forums collecting royalties when other people troll but not really doing any trolling of worth themselves


Well played sir, well played
 
2012-05-30 12:13:15 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Step one: Start up a patent trolling lawyer service
Step two: Convince some corporate honcho in Company A that Company B is infringing your copyright and to SUE, SUE, SUE!
Step 3: PROFIT.

This is the same model that the RIAA got suckered into and only stopped when they realized they were being taken to the cleaners.

Now, goddamn greedy bastard POLITICIANS are getting into that game.

The economy of the 21st century: Never has so much money been made doing so little actual productive work.


Patent =/= copyright !
 
2012-05-30 12:14:28 PM

Theaetetus: How about "a patent holding company with no manufacturing capability and no research capability, set up for the sole purpose of patent licensing and litigation while being immune to defensive counterclaims of infringement."


fair nuff i suppose - and it gets closer to being a bad thing.

The reason i ask is that in general any of these threads just turn into - X guy is bad so he is a patent troll and i figured it would be interesting to see what people threw out.

/planet money had a great story where the guy who invented the term patent troll was working as what he himself used to define as a troll - he attempted to change his prior definition so that his actions were ok.
 
2012-05-30 12:16:37 PM

sdd2000: Day_Old_Dutchie: Step one: Start up a patent trolling lawyer service
Step two: Convince some corporate honcho in Company A that Company B is infringing your copyright and to SUE, SUE, SUE!
Step 3: PROFIT.

This is the same model that the RIAA got suckered into and only stopped when they realized they were being taken to the cleaners.

Now, goddamn greedy bastard POLITICIANS are getting into that game.

The economy of the 21st century: Never has so much money been made doing so little actual productive work.

Patent =/= copyright !


Of course it doesn't!

Patent is where you get protection in a mark, word or symbol signifying the source of some good or product.

Copyright is where you make a good faith effort to keep your process secret and thus are given protection against someone taking the idea.

simple.
 
2012-05-30 12:22:28 PM

Teiritzamna: simple.


i53.tinypic.com
 
2012-05-30 12:59:30 PM

bwilson27: Wow, who cares.


People who are paying attention.
 
2012-05-30 02:13:08 PM
I could see this continuing to the point where technological progress resembles American Legislative accomplishments.
 
2012-05-30 02:47:18 PM

ByOwlLight: I like Nortel on the chart. They aren't suing anyone, aren't being sued by anybody, and are sharing a shiatton of everything. :D

Man, I'm such a pinko commie.


3.bp.blogspot.com

Elaine: This was my idea you stole my idea.

Mr. Lippman: Elaine these ideas are all in the air. They're in the air.

Elaine: Well if that air is comming out of this face then it is my air and my idea.
 
2012-05-30 03:24:01 PM
So, what I'm getting here is more people need to sue Oracle.
 
2012-05-30 05:30:59 PM
The Temple of Apple seems to draw particular ire.

Must be doing something right.
 
2012-05-30 05:32:37 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: Teiritzamna: Open question to the thread - as this is a term that is tossed about with so much frequency:

What does "patent troll" actually mean. To you.

Honest question.

Suing someone for

a) infringement of a patent you personally did not create

b) infringement of a patent that shouldn't have been granted in the first place, but was due to our broken patent system

c) infringement of a patent in a case you know you would lose in court, in the hopes of settling out of court


I disagree a bit with A, but B and C are big problems. Software patents in general tend to be in category B.
 
2012-05-30 05:33:29 PM

Teiritzamna: sdd2000: Day_Old_Dutchie: Step one: Start up a patent trolling lawyer service
Step two: Convince some corporate honcho in Company A that Company B is infringing your copyright and to SUE, SUE, SUE!
Step 3: PROFIT.

This is the same model that the RIAA got suckered into and only stopped when they realized they were being taken to the cleaners.

Now, goddamn greedy bastard POLITICIANS are getting into that game.

The economy of the 21st century: Never has so much money been made doing so little actual productive work.

Patent =/= copyright !

Of course it doesn't!

Patent is where you get protection in a mark, word or symbol signifying the source of some good or product.

Copyright is where you make a good faith effort to keep your process secret and thus are given protection against someone taking the idea.

simple.


Purple monkey dishwasher.
 
2012-05-30 06:23:10 PM

NothingCanPossiblyeGoWrong: Another reason why companies are fleeing the U.S.


You realize that there are agreements among nations to respect each other's patent laws? Like copyright, you can't legally infringe on someone's American copyright just because you live in France.
 
2012-05-30 06:34:29 PM

downstairs: NothingCanPossiblyeGoWrong: Another reason why companies are fleeing the U.S.

You realize that there are agreements among nations to respect each other's patent laws? Like copyright, you can't legally infringe on someone's American copyright just because you live in France.


And not all those companies are American. Nortel, Huawei, Ericsson, Nokia, Samsung...
 
2012-05-31 05:25:36 AM

Clemkadidlefark: The Temple of Apple seems to draw particular ire.

Must be doing something right.


They have all the $$$. That's all that seems to matter.
 
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