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(Philly.com)   Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams is saddened that he stole some college students' LSD supply, but he admits he's kind of a dick that way   (philly.com) divider line 85
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2012-05-29 11:50:48 AM  
9,500 hits of LSD

Yeah, that's a lot of heat, no matter which college campus you want to pin it on.
 
2012-05-29 12:05:11 PM  
So glad to hear that 5 college kids will be spending 10 years each in a taxpayer funded prison cell while murderers and rapists roam the streets. But enough about Philly cops...
 
2012-05-29 12:14:32 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: So glad to hear that 5 college kids will be spending 10 years each in a taxpayer funded prison cell while murderers and rapists roam the streets. But enough about Philly cops...


Years ago, the US supreme court found that for LSD it was constitutional to base a sentence on the weight of the medium. So you could actually have a very small volume of LSD, but wind up with a longer prison sentence than a murderer because it is on a sheet of blotter paper.

I doubt anything has changed to make the policy more sane. Add to that that LSD is relatively harmless; that is, relative to other drugs that are perfectly legal, and you can chalk up another injustice to our nation's ass backwards drug policy.
 
2012-05-29 12:29:36 PM  

gilgigamesh: Marcus Aurelius: So glad to hear that 5 college kids will be spending 10 years each in a taxpayer funded prison cell while murderers and rapists roam the streets. But enough about Philly cops...

Years ago, the US supreme court found that for LSD it was constitutional to base a sentence on the weight of the medium. So you could actually have a very small volume of LSD, but wind up with a longer prison sentence than a murderer because it is on a sheet of blotter paper.

I doubt anything has changed to make the policy more sane. Add to that that LSD is relatively harmless; that is, relative to other drugs that are perfectly legal, and you can chalk up another injustice to our nation's ass backwards drug policy.


Don't forget the mandatory minimum sentencing. Without mandatory minimums, judges might exercise some judgement. And we can't have that now, can we?
 
2012-05-29 12:51:02 PM  
Nese Lisa Senol, a Penn doctoral student studying "visionary and mystical poetry."

Great. More fodder for future articles on PhDs who get food stamps.
 
2012-05-29 12:54:44 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Ride the snake
 
2012-05-29 12:55:00 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: gilgigamesh: Marcus Aurelius: So glad to hear that 5 college kids will be spending 10 years each in a taxpayer funded prison cell while murderers and rapists roam the streets. But enough about Philly cops...

Years ago, the US supreme court found that for LSD it was constitutional to base a sentence on the weight of the medium. So you could actually have a very small volume of LSD, but wind up with a longer prison sentence than a murderer because it is on a sheet of blotter paper.

I doubt anything has changed to make the policy more sane. Add to that that LSD is relatively harmless; that is, relative to other drugs that are perfectly legal, and you can chalk up another injustice to our nation's ass backwards drug policy.

Don't forget the mandatory minimum sentencing. Without mandatory minimums, judges might exercise some judgement. And we can't have that now, can we?


Judges exercising discretion isn't necessarily a good thing. See: Drug Courts in SE Georgia - Judge Williams
People sign away their rights to review, and even where there is review, it is often under an "abuse of discretion" standard, which is very difficult to overcome.
 
2012-05-29 12:56:19 PM  
reading groups and yoga shops

Or as we call them around here, terror cells.
 
2012-05-29 12:58:13 PM  
Aren't there enough crimes in Philadelphia that police don't really need to fill up their free time by busting white college kids?
 
2012-05-29 01:02:28 PM  
Damn, i haven't seen LSD since around Y2k

only the vague rumors of it
 
2012-05-29 01:04:41 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Aren't there enough crimes nubians in Philadelphia that police don't really need to fill up their free time by busting white college kids?

 
2012-05-29 01:04:49 PM  
I wouldn't want to see the avg bieber looking teen all twacked out on acid. They're dumb enough as is.
 
2012-05-29 01:05:50 PM  
What a labored article. Penn and Drexel are across the street from each other now that the Berin Wall is down.
 
2012-05-29 01:06:08 PM  
How the hell did they get busted?

weirdthings.com


/used to sale LSD in quantity back in the mid 90's. People I didn't know asked me if I sold it one day, told them no, and got out.

Made a lot of money and partied so hard. Good. farking. Times.
 
2012-05-29 01:06:43 PM  
**sell
 
2012-05-29 01:19:30 PM  
six to eight hours?

Ripped off.
 
2012-05-29 01:20:19 PM  

redflag: Marcus Aurelius: gilgigamesh: Marcus Aurelius: So glad to hear that 5 college kids will be spending 10 years each in a taxpayer funded prison cell while murderers and rapists roam the streets. But enough about Philly cops...

Years ago, the US supreme court found that for LSD it was constitutional to base a sentence on the weight of the medium. So you could actually have a very small volume of LSD, but wind up with a longer prison sentence than a murderer because it is on a sheet of blotter paper.

I doubt anything has changed to make the policy more sane. Add to that that LSD is relatively harmless; that is, relative to other drugs that are perfectly legal, and you can chalk up another injustice to our nation's ass backwards drug policy.

Don't forget the mandatory minimum sentencing. Without mandatory minimums, judges might exercise some judgement. And we can't have that now, can we?

Judges exercising discretion isn't necessarily a good thing. See: Drug Courts in SE Georgia - Judge Williams
People sign away their rights to review, and even where there is review, it is often under an "abuse of discretion" standard, which is very difficult to overcome.


Jeez. Got a speeding ticket from one of the counties in that article. I guess I can't count myself lucky I'm not stuck in a Glynn County jail right now.
 
2012-05-29 01:24:57 PM  

Dahnkster: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x234]
Ride the snake


All the good memories of trips gone by (while listening to the Doors) were just shattered by the image of Ms. Diller.

Thanks ya big (blue) meanie!!

/lsd is great
 
2012-05-29 01:25:37 PM  
Sentences are too steep for poor violent crack heads....young people tripping on LSD is a whole different story though, they might actually turn into peace loving hippies! We can not allow that to happen!
 
2012-05-29 01:40:20 PM  
AT LEAST THEY DIDN'T FIND THE SHROOMS, MAN
 
2012-05-29 01:44:49 PM  

barefoot in the head: six to eight hours?

Ripped off.




yeah.....that, and UP TO $30 a hit???
 
2012-05-29 01:44:51 PM  

MadMonk: Sentences are too steep for poor violent crack heads....young people tripping on LSD is a whole different story though, they might actually turn into peace loving hippies! We can not allow that to happen!


what about those violent water drinkers
 
2012-05-29 01:46:00 PM  
Had some Super Mario acid a year or so ago. Was pretty decent stuff

/tanooki suit ftw!
 
2012-05-29 01:46:45 PM  

2KanZam: barefoot in the head: six to eight hours?

Ripped off.



yeah.....that, and UP TO $30 a hit???


WTF? no more than ten bucks a hit here....
 
2012-05-29 01:50:53 PM  
hawaiian baby wood rose is good too
but not nearly as intense
but one seed was enough to see spiders everywhere
 
2012-05-29 01:58:51 PM  
I hope those young men won't turn into orange juice if touched.
 
2012-05-29 02:02:37 PM  
Welp! Time to bring back Lynne Abraham!
 
2012-05-29 02:02:42 PM  
So, a question from a recreational pharmaceutical noob: How common is LSD these days? Can you buy it from your local dealer, or is it more of a specialty item?
 
2012-05-29 02:05:44 PM  

redflag: Marcus Aurelius: gilgigamesh: Marcus Aurelius: So glad to hear that 5 college kids will be spending 10 years each in a taxpayer funded prison cell while murderers and rapists roam the streets. But enough about Philly cops...

Years ago, the US supreme court found that for LSD it was constitutional to base a sentence on the weight of the medium. So you could actually have a very small volume of LSD, but wind up with a longer prison sentence than a murderer because it is on a sheet of blotter paper.

I doubt anything has changed to make the policy more sane. Add to that that LSD is relatively harmless; that is, relative to other drugs that are perfectly legal, and you can chalk up another injustice to our nation's ass backwards drug policy.

Don't forget the mandatory minimum sentencing. Without mandatory minimums, judges might exercise some judgement. And we can't have that now, can we?

Judges exercising discretion isn't necessarily a good thing. See: Drug Courts in SE Georgia - Judge Williams
People sign away their rights to review, and even where there is review, it is often under an "abuse of discretion" standard, which is very difficult to overcome.


She's resigned and could still be facing felony charges. Couldn't happen to a nicer person.
 
2012-05-29 02:11:45 PM  
"It was a shame that for so many years there was a halt in scientific study in substances that might have a great benefit,"

The lack of legitimate research haz a sad.
 
2012-05-29 02:15:27 PM  
NNoooooooooooooooo

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-29 02:17:09 PM  

barefoot in the head: six to eight hours?

Ripped off.


If it lasts much longer than that, it most likely isn't LSD. Maybe 12 hours for some pople, but it depends on the person.

IAMBOB: Damn, i haven't seen LSD since around Y2k

only the vague rumors of it


That's because William Leonard Pickard got busted. Link The DEA claims he produced 90% of the world's LSD. It's probably an exaggeration, but LSD availability and quality did drop off a cliff after his arrest.
 
2012-05-29 02:17:40 PM  
FTFA: Nese Lisa Senol, a Penn doctoral student studying "visionary and mystical poetry."
and
Rebecca Lee, a 22-year-old writer/poet who attends the Theorizing Psychedelics reading group with Senol

I was not aware that Drexel had barista training programs
 
2012-05-29 02:23:12 PM  

relaxitsjustme: NNoooooooooooooooo

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x304]


I AM THE BLUEBOY!
 
2012-05-29 02:24:31 PM  

Banned on the Run: FTFA: Nese Lisa Senol, a Penn doctoral student studying "visionary and mystical poetry."
and
Rebecca Lee, a 22-year-old writer/poet who attends the Theorizing Psychedelics reading group with Senol

I was not aware that Drexel had barista training programs


That was striking to me, too. Now Rebecca isn't necessarily in a graduate program for all this, but if we believe Ms. Senol that she's seeking to be a Visionary Poet, PhD then that is something else. I mean, you have to focus on some small subset of your field for a PhD, and hers is as interesting as any in poetry, but man I hope she's got a trust fund for that debt.

More power to her if she does; I bet she's a lot of fun.
 
2012-05-29 02:27:21 PM  
Didn't the police in Miami say that some funky new LSD may have been involved in the zombie shooting this weekend?
 
2012-05-29 02:32:43 PM  

factoryconnection: Banned on the Run: FTFA: Nese Lisa Senol, a Penn doctoral student studying "visionary and mystical poetry."
and
Rebecca Lee, a 22-year-old writer/poet who attends the Theorizing Psychedelics reading group with Senol

I was not aware that Drexel had barista training programs

That was striking to me, too. Now Rebecca isn't necessarily in a graduate program for all this, but if we believe Ms. Senol that she's seeking to be a Visionary Poet, PhD then that is something else. I mean, you have to focus on some small subset of your field for a PhD, and hers is as interesting as any in poetry, but man I hope she's got a trust fund for that debt.

More power to her if she does; I bet she's a lot of funnot shaved.


FTFY
 
2012-05-29 02:35:18 PM  
LSD is life changing, but it is DEFINITELY not for everyone

You really have to be ready for what it can do to your sense of being, and each time can throw you for a loop

BUT if you can handle it, there is nothing like it
 
2012-05-29 02:35:38 PM  

Dog Man: Didn't the police in Miami say that some funky new LSD may have been involved in the zombie shooting this weekend?


There is no such thing as 'new' LSD. It is a specific chemical compound; any changes to it would produce something other than LSD. From what I heard the cops were thinking 'bath salts' in the zombie case, and bath salts are completely different from acid. MDPV is, I believe, a substituted cathinone, a chemical based on the structure of the active constituent of khat, a popular stimulant in Somalia among other places.
 
2012-05-29 02:36:08 PM  

Banned on the Run: I was not aware that Drexel had barista training programs

"It seems irresponsible not to ... have an academic discussion of it," said Rebecca Lee, a 22-year-old writer/poet who attends the Theorizing Psychedelics reading group with Senol at the Chapterhouse Cafe, in Washington Square West.


It seems...irresponsible spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a "poetry" degree in a nation where the employment picture highly favors those with useful skills, and has since before you started going to college. I know high-school dropouts who dig ditches and flip burgers who are smarter and have more common sense than this broad.
 
2012-05-29 02:36:14 PM  
6 to 8 hrs.? $30 a pop? How about all day at $4,in Philly? OK,that was 43 years ago but I still broke even on it. Dr. Leary is turning over some where.
 
2012-05-29 02:38:15 PM  

2KanZam: UP TO $30 a hit???


Even at $30 a hit, I'd consider it a bargain for some good stuff.
 
2012-05-29 02:42:31 PM  

Mixolydian Master:

/used to sale LSD in quantity back in the mid 90's. People I didn't know asked me if I sold it one day, told them no, and got out.

Made a lot of money and partied so hard. Good. farking. Times.


How're your old customers doing? Any microcephalic kids yet? Any long term institutionalizations for psychosis?

Marcus Aurelius: So glad to hear that 5 college kids will be spending 10 years each in a taxpayer funded prison cell while murderers and rapists roam the streets. But enough about Philly cops...


So am I.

BTW, DA Williams recently effectively decriminalized marijuana in Phila., a move I support.
 
2012-05-29 02:44:06 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: 6 to 8 hrs.? $30 a pop? How about all day at $4,in Philly? OK,that was 43 years ago but I still broke even on it. Dr. Leary is turning over some where.


The Inflation Calculator

What cost $4 in 1943 would cost $23.52 in 2010.


Sure, it's more expensive, even adjusted for inflation, but not outrageously so. The war on drug is worth a 25% price increase apparently.
 
2012-05-29 02:45:44 PM  

Krieghund:
What cost $4 in 1943 would cost $23.52 in 2010.


That 1943 is a typo. $4 in 1969 would cost $23.52 in 2010
 
2012-05-29 02:47:06 PM  
so $4 million would be $23 million now!
 
2012-05-29 02:56:18 PM  

Krieghund: sweet-daddy-2: 6 to 8 hrs.? $30 a pop? How about all day at $4,in Philly? OK,that was 43 years ago but I still broke even on it. Dr. Leary is turning over some where.

The Inflation Calculator

What cost $4 in 1943 would cost $23.52 in 2010.

Sure, it's more expensive, even adjusted for inflation, but not outrageously so. The war on drug is worth a 25% price increase apparently.


Hits of acid also contained a lot more LSD in the 1960s than they do now. That would probably explain why it lasted all day, too, as the duration of effects is partly dose-dependent. The lower doses aren't necessarily a bad thing, though, as it does tend to make bad trips less likely. On a related note, the war on drugs has had the opposite effect on cocaine prices; I have read that they are 80% lower than they were 30 years ago, adjusted for inflation.
 
2012-05-29 03:05:19 PM  
Ten dollars maybe. Anyone selling a tab for more than ten dollars is a dick. The damn things cost anywhere from 200-750 a sheet (100 tabs) and when you get up in to the ranges like they found, 10 bibles worth, (a bible is ten 100 tab sheets), it goes down to about one, two dollars a tab.

It's so easy to transport and smuggle, that's why bulk LSD is so cheap. These guys were making a killing on it because of that cost ratio. Imagine getting something for 2 dollars and selling it for 30? What an ass!
 
2012-05-29 03:07:35 PM  

grinding_journalist: Banned on the Run: I was not aware that Drexel had barista training programs

"It seems irresponsible not to ... have an academic discussion of it," said Rebecca Lee, a 22-year-old writer/poet who attends the Theorizing Psychedelics reading group with Senol at the Chapterhouse Cafe, in Washington Square West.

It seems...irresponsible spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a "poetry" degree in a nation where the employment picture highly favors those with useful skills, and has since before you started going to college. I know high-school dropouts who dig ditches and flip burgers who are smarter and have more common sense than this broad.


Average cost is $250k, half that if you go to an in state program at a state school, but with fellowships, grants, scholarships, stipends and teaching positions the ACTUAL cost to the student is far, far, far less than this. I know two people who earned PHD's within the past couple of years, neither had any debt at the end of their program.

Median salary of someone with a PHD is $87k (that's within academia, so that number is not inflated by the corporate world.

Entry level is $60k (which is around where both of my friends are.)

Average IQ of a PHD is 125. What's the average IQ of a ditch digger? Average salary? And does that come with health care? A pension? No, but you're surely right. Why in the world would someone try and study and work at something they love and care about, even if there's a chance it won't work out for them, when they can just go dig ditches and flip burgers and live well below the poverty level.
 
2012-05-29 03:10:04 PM  
it is most definitely around. i am thinking of doing some on thursday or friday if it is nice out.
 
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