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(Times Union)   See, I was a good friend of your dad's. We were in that Hanoi pit of hell together over five years. Hopefully...you'll never have to experience this yourself.... Butch. I got somethin' for you   (timesunion.com) divider line 49
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2012-05-29 09:43:25 AM
cine.eol.us
 
2012-05-29 12:07:18 PM
done in 1
 
2012-05-29 12:08:21 PM
"Five long years he wore that watch... up his arse. Then, he died of dysentery, gave me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass two years."
 
2012-05-29 12:08:25 PM
Done in the headline
 
2012-05-29 12:11:38 PM
Its a bit of a shame that a good story gets buried by a two bit meme from a shiatty movie.
 
2012-05-29 12:12:18 PM
Okay should be enough goatee hate for this thread too. Start in 3...2....
 
2012-05-29 12:14:16 PM
Grables'Daughter:

boards.adultswim.com

Thank you, Ted- that was the joke.
 
2012-05-29 12:14:25 PM
84Charlie

Its a bit of a shame that a good story gets buried by a two bit meme from a shiatty movie.

Whoa. Lighten up, Francis. That's just, like, your, opinion, man.
 
2012-05-29 12:14:31 PM

84Charlie: Its a bit of a shame that a good story gets buried by a two bit meme from a shiatty movie.


0/10. More like the other way around. The article didnt even mention the similarities.
 
2012-05-29 12:20:51 PM
Came for Pulp Fiction reference

Came

Leaving satisfied, sticky.
 
2012-05-29 12:21:06 PM
Dusty in here, that is one hell of a story.
 
2012-05-29 12:21:21 PM

busy chillin': 84Charlie

Its a bit of a shame that a good story gets buried by a two bit meme from a shiatty movie.

Whoa. Lighten up, Francis. That's just, like, your, opinion, man.

"One through nine, no maybes, no supposes, no fractions. You can't travel in space, you can't go out into space, you know, without, like, you know, uh, with fractions, okay? What are you going to land on - one-quarter, three-eighths? What are you going to do when you go from here to Venus or something? That's dialectic physics."


everybodyisartdirector.typepad.com
 
2012-05-29 12:29:18 PM
""He bought rounds for everyone. Then, when it came time for this one guy to buy the rounds, the guy said he'd buy one for everyone except the baby killer. He pointed to me. That really stuck with me."

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/A-soldier-s-personal-mission-a ccomplished-3591110.php#ixzz1wHCfJdaN



BULLshiat!


Never happened, similar to many stories that have been debunked. BS! That never occurred

Liar!
 
2012-05-29 12:29:46 PM
The meme came quickly to mind, but that didn't stop things from getting dusty as I read TFA. What a story!
 
2012-05-29 12:30:41 PM
That was a cool story.

Vietnam was another name for pure hell. The hippies used to call the returning soldiers 'baby killers' in protest of the war but had no idea what those guys faced over there on a regular basis. They either didn't know or didn't care that the Vietcong were the ones who started wiring up infants, kids and women with explosives to kill US soldiers who came to their aid.

By the time the real story came out about what the soldiers faced, the hippies were businessmen and didn't care.

All those years to return a watch. Now, THAT is dedication.
 
2012-05-29 12:35:07 PM
Every year Schweickert is among thousands of veterans who take part in the annual Run for the Wall trip to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington D.C. Schweickert invited Cook this year, but Cook said he couldn't make it. He has health problems and the wall itself is too much to bear.

"I can't handle it," Cook, 63, said.


One of my high school teachers was involved in the creation and oversight of the Vietnam War memorial. Not hugely, just part of one of the advisory committees (he was an A-4 pilot during the war and was working for the State department at the time). That's one thing he talked about once, how people made fun of/criticized how the memorial looked and pundits claimed it would be the biggest disappointment in history and etc.

And since then, it's been described as one of the most powerful, meaningful, and popular memories. I've known a number of veterans who have said they couldn't bring themselves to go there or had to leave the memorial because they couldn't handle seeing it. You don't see that being said about all our other war's memorials. Something about just seeing all the names listed in such brutal simplicity that really drives it to people what the war actually did.

It's one thing to say that X number of people died. That doesn't affect people. But seeing all the names listed?
 
2012-05-29 12:36:40 PM
Way to go, Sarge!!!!!

/salute
 
2012-05-29 12:37:28 PM
I went through a similar ordeal to return a wallet left in my car after a Grateful Dead show at Red Rocks 25 years ago.
 
2012-05-29 12:38:28 PM

ritalinchild 54: ""He bought rounds for everyone. Then, when it came time for this one guy to buy the rounds, the guy said he'd buy one for everyone except the baby killer. He pointed to me. That really stuck with me."

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/A-soldier-s-personal-mission-a ccomplished-3591110.php#ixzz1wHCfJdaN



BULLshiat!


Never happened, similar to many stories that have been debunked. BS! That never occurred

Liar!


Prove it.
 
2012-05-29 12:41:21 PM

Rik01: That was a cool story.

Vietnam was another name for pure hell. The hippies used to call the returning soldiers 'baby killers' in protest of the war but had no idea what those guys faced over there on a regular basis. They either didn't know or didn't care that the Vietcong were the ones who started wiring up infants, kids and women with explosives to kill US soldiers who came to their aid.

By the time the real story came out about what the soldiers faced, the hippies were businessmen and didn't care.

All those years to return a watch. Now, THAT is dedication.


Almost right. I lived thru that time, and clearly remember seeing on the news people harassing the returning soldiers. It wasn't just hippies - housewives, businessmen... everyone was giving them them a hard time. It was disgraceful.
 
2012-05-29 12:54:00 PM
www.alan.com

My bad.
 
2012-05-29 12:54:05 PM

Dave0422: Rik01: That was a cool story.

Vietnam was another name for pure hell. The hippies used to call the returning soldiers 'baby killers' in protest of the war but had no idea what those guys faced over there on a regular basis. They either didn't know or didn't care that the Vietcong were the ones who started wiring up infants, kids and women with explosives to kill US soldiers who came to their aid.

By the time the real story came out about what the soldiers faced, the hippies were businessmen and didn't care.

All those years to return a watch. Now, THAT is dedication.

Almost right. I lived thru that time, and clearly remember seeing on the news people harassing the returning soldiers. It wasn't just hippies - housewives, businessmen... everyone was giving them them a hard time. It was disgraceful.


Those dipshiats who think they have the right to criticize the military should go pick upmtheir own damn gun. Amirite? Those MEN kept us safe from communist expansion aggression and kept Vietnam the free country it is today. Just like those retarded liebruls who spit on our HEROES who destroyed Saddam's nukes and wmds and destroyed Alqaedas home base in Iraq.
 
2012-05-29 12:54:42 PM

TanSau: Came for Pulp Fiction reference

Came

Leaving satisfied, sticky.


The reference was already in the headline... what did you come for then?
 
2012-05-29 12:57:32 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: Those dipshiats who think they have the right to criticize the military should go pick upmtheir own damn gun. Amirite? Those MEN kept us safe from communist expansion aggression and kept Vietnam the free country it is today. Just like those retarded liebruls who spit on our HEROES who destroyed Saddam's nukes and wmds and destroyed Alqaedas home base in Iraq.


What the fark were a bunch of drafted 19 year olds supposed to do? Dodge the draft and try to flee to another country; give up everything and never come back? Criticism is easy if you have no empathy.
 
2012-05-29 01:01:49 PM
It's a nice story, but I'm left with one burning question: Why the hell would you take a precious family heirloom with you to Vietnam? And why leave it with a stranger while you go off on a mission? If it was that important to you, why not leave it at home? If it's lucky or something, why not take it with you on the dangerous mission?

Okay, so that was 4 questions. I've never been good at math.
 
2012-05-29 01:06:49 PM

RabidRythmDivas: I went through a similar ordeal to return a wallet left in my car after a Grateful Dead show at Red Rocks 25 years ago.


Now that's funny!
 
2012-05-29 01:14:18 PM

The DBS: ritalinchild 54: ""He bought rounds for everyone. Then, when it came time for this one guy to buy the rounds, the guy said he'd buy one for everyone except the baby killer. He pointed to me. That really stuck with me."

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/A-soldier-s-personal-mission-a ccomplished-3591110.php#ixzz1wHCfJdaN



BULLshiat!


Never happened, similar to many stories that have been debunked. BS! That never occurred

Liar!

Prove it.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/08/23/myths-about-vietnam-survive-to -plague-a-new-generation-of-young-veterans-part-one/

There have been scholarly studies done to have disproven the myth that there was widespread abuse of returning veterans.

While I'm sure there had been instances like in the article- people refusing to buy drinks or saying Baby Killer. It wasn't widespread. In fact the protest movement main focus was that servicemen were victims of the draft.
A good movie is "Sir, No Sir" about the protest and the role of the Draftee in ending the war. Morale got so bad that the military had to switch from draftee to voluntary (which horrified the old gaurd because it made the military appear mercenary)
 
2012-05-29 01:16:59 PM

Dave0422: Rik01: That was a cool story.

Vietnam was another name for pure hell. The hippies used to call the returning soldiers 'baby killers' in protest of the war but had no idea what those guys faced over there on a regular basis. They either didn't know or didn't care that the Vietcong were the ones who started wiring up infants, kids and women with explosives to kill US soldiers who came to their aid.

By the time the real story came out about what the soldiers faced, the hippies were businessmen and didn't care.

All those years to return a watch. Now, THAT is dedication.

Almost right. I lived thru that time, and clearly remember seeing on the news people harassing the returning soldiers. It wasn't just hippies - housewives, businessmen... everyone was giving them them a hard time. It was disgraceful.


Then it should be easily found no?

Memory is a biatch.
 
2012-05-29 01:18:18 PM

Satanic_Hamster: And since then, it's been described as one of the most powerful, meaningful, and popular memories. I've known a number of veterans who have said they couldn't bring themselves to go there or had to leave the memorial because they couldn't handle seeing it. You don't see that being said about all our other war's memorials. Something about just seeing all the names listed in such brutal simplicity that really drives it to people what the war actually did.

It's one thing to say that X number of people died. That doesn't affect people. But seeing all the names listed?


Often the simplest way to remember the fallen or to simply make a statement is the one that resounds the loudest. I have seen many memorials in my day, but the Vietnam Memorial is the one that hit me the strongest.
 
2012-05-29 01:28:29 PM

Darth_Lukecash: The DBS: ritalinchild 54: ""He bought rounds for everyone. Then, when it came time for this one guy to buy the rounds, the guy said he'd buy one for everyone except the baby killer. He pointed to me. That really stuck with me."

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/A-soldier-s-personal-mission-a ccomplished-3591110.php#ixzz1wHCfJdaN



BULLshiat!


Never happened, similar to many stories that have been debunked. BS! That never occurred

Liar!

Prove it.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/08/23/myths-about-vietnam-survive-t o -plague-a-new-generation-of-young-veterans-part-one/

There have been scholarly studies done to have disproven the myth that there was widespread abuse of returning veterans.

While I'm sure there had been instances like in the article- people refusing to buy drinks or saying Baby Killer. It wasn't widespread. In fact the protest movement main focus was that servicemen were victims of the draft.
A good movie is "Sir, No Sir" about the protest and the role of the Draftee in ending the war. Morale got so bad that the military had to switch from draftee to voluntary (which horrified the old gaurd because it made the military appear mercenary)


404?
 
2012-05-29 01:38:04 PM

edmo: busy chillin': 84Charlie

Its a bit of a shame that a good story gets buried by a two bit meme from a shiatty movie.

Whoa. Lighten up, Francis. That's just, like, your, opinion, man.

"One through nine, no maybes, no supposes, no fractions. You can't travel in space, you can't go out into space, you know, without, like, you know, uh, with fractions, okay? What are you going to land on - one-quarter, three-eighths? What are you going to do when you go from here to Venus or something? That's dialectic physics."

[everybodyisartdirector.typepad.com image 500x348]


Told me if I spoke to him again he'd kill me....and he meant it.
 
2012-05-29 02:03:37 PM

Cyclometh: Darth_Lukecash: The DBS: ritalinchild 54: ""He bought rounds for everyone. Then, when it came time for this one guy to buy the rounds, the guy said he'd buy one for everyone except the baby killer. He pointed to me. That really stuck with me."

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/A-soldier-s-personal-mission-a ccomplished-3591110.php#ixzz1wHCfJdaN



BULLshiat!


Never happened, similar to many stories that have been debunked. BS! That never occurred

Liar!

Prove it.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/08/23/myths-about-vietnam-survive-t o -plague-a-new-generation-of-young-veterans-part-one/

There have been scholarly studies done to have disproven the myth that there was widespread abuse of returning veterans.

While I'm sure there had been instances like in the article- people refusing to buy drinks or saying Baby Killer. It wasn't widespread. In fact the protest movement main focus was that servicemen were victims of the draft.
A good movie is "Sir, No Sir" about the protest and the role of the Draftee in ending the war. Morale got so bad that the military had to switch from draftee to voluntary (which horrified the old gaurd because it made the military appear mercenary)

404?


there are spaces in the link.

Link FTFY
 
2012-05-29 02:05:38 PM

meathome: Satanic_Hamster: And since then, it's been described as one of the most powerful, meaningful, and popular memories. I've known a number of veterans who have said they couldn't bring themselves to go there or had to leave the memorial because they couldn't handle seeing it. You don't see that being said about all our other war's memorials. Something about just seeing all the names listed in such brutal simplicity that really drives it to people what the war actually did.

It's one thing to say that X number of people died. That doesn't affect people. But seeing all the names listed?

Often the simplest way to remember the fallen or to simply make a statement is the one that resounds the loudest. I have seen many memorials in my day, but the Vietnam Memorial is the one that hit me the strongest.


I like this one: Veterans Memorial at Kanapaha Park . The memorial is a monument built as a time line of U.S. military history. Known as "A Walk Through Time," the length of each war is measured by length in bricks, and the length of time between wars is measured by distance along the walk. The height of the monument, measured in bricks, signifies the number of U.S. soldiers who gave their lives

In the middle, the giant pile of bricks, represents the war where we killed each other, when there weren't nearly as many of us.
 
2012-05-29 02:11:25 PM

you have pee hands: herrDrFarkenstein: Those dipshiats who think they have the right to criticize the military should go pick upmtheir own damn gun. Amirite? Those MEN kept us safe from communist expansion aggression and kept Vietnam the free country it is today. Just like those retarded liebruls who spit on our HEROES who destroyed Saddam's nukes and wmds and destroyed Alqaedas home base in Iraq.

What the fark were a bunch of drafted 19 year olds supposed to do? Dodge the draft and try to flee to another country; give up everything and never come back? Criticism is easy if you have no empathy.


Nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh nuh-nuh nuh-nuh nuh-nuh-nineteen nineteennineteennineteen nineteen
 
2012-05-29 02:25:52 PM

meathome: Satanic_Hamster: And since then, it's been described as one of the most powerful, meaningful, and popular memories. I've known a number of veterans who have said they couldn't bring themselves to go there or had to leave the memorial because they couldn't handle seeing it. You don't see that being said about all our other war's memorials. Something about just seeing all the names listed in such brutal simplicity that really drives it to people what the war actually did.

It's one thing to say that X number of people died. That doesn't affect people. But seeing all the names listed?

Often the simplest way to remember the fallen or to simply make a statement is the one that resounds the loudest. I have seen many memorials in my day, but the Vietnam Memorial is the one that hit me the strongest.


I was born in the mid 70s; just after my dad had come back. One of my earliest memories is of being at the wall and watching my mom take rubbings and seeing my dad cry. He and I went back several times over the years and he never cried again. This painting hangs in my office-

dva.state.wi.us

That's how I remember my dad at the wall.
 
2012-05-29 02:30:49 PM

84Charlie: Its a bit of a shame that a good story gets buried by a two bit meme from a shiatty movie.


Welcome to Fark, Mr. 109268.
 
2012-05-29 02:36:04 PM

RabidRythmDivas: I went through a similar ordeal to return a wallet left in my car after a Grateful Dead show at Red Rocks 25 years ago.


Thank you for your service.
 
2012-05-29 02:39:46 PM

ritalinchild 54: ""He bought rounds for everyone. Then, when it came time for this one guy to buy the rounds, the guy said he'd buy one for everyone except the baby killer. He pointed to me. That really stuck with me."

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/A-soldier-s-personal-mission-a ccomplished-3591110.php#ixzz1wHCfJdaN



BULLshiat!


Never happened, similar to many stories that have been debunked. BS! That never occurred

Liar!


Link Not Found

You were saying?? Come on, use a link the rest of us can get to if you are going to call someone out.
 
2012-05-29 03:00:06 PM
Everyone talks about The Wall and the names on it. But off to one side is a bronze of three soldiers looking back towards the wall, watching over their fallen comrades. Nobody ever mentions that statue but the one time I've visited the memorial (in '86), I was also moved by it - something for the guys who made it back.
 
2012-05-29 03:07:18 PM

JustSeanV67: ritalinchild 54: ""He bought rounds for everyone. Then, when it came time for this one guy to buy the rounds, the guy said he'd buy one for everyone except the baby killer. He pointed to me. That really stuck with me."

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/A-soldier-s-personal-mission-a ccomplished-3591110.php#ixzz1wHCfJdaN


Try snopes you twit, My comment did in NO way denigrate the man involved. It was a comment about the garbage statement about men being called "baby killer" in a vets club.
BULLshiat!


Never happened, similar to many stories that have been debunked. BS! That never occurred

Liar!

Link Not Found

You were saying?? Come on, use a link the rest of us can get to if you are going to call someone out.

 
2012-05-29 03:30:32 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Every year Schweickert is among thousands of veterans who take part in the annual Run for the Wall trip to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington D.C. Schweickert invited Cook this year, but Cook said he couldn't make it. He has health problems and the wall itself is too much to bear.

"I can't handle it," Cook, 63, said.


One of my high school teachers was involved in the creation and oversight of the Vietnam War memorial. Not hugely, just part of one of the advisory committees (he was an A-4 pilot during the war and was working for the State department at the time). That's one thing he talked about once, how people made fun of/criticized how the memorial looked and pundits claimed it would be the biggest disappointment in history and etc.

And since then, it's been described as one of the most powerful, meaningful, and popular memories. I've known a number of veterans who have said they couldn't bring themselves to go there or had to leave the memorial because they couldn't handle seeing it. You don't see that being said about all our other war's memorials. Something about just seeing all the names listed in such brutal simplicity that really drives it to people what the war actually did.

It's one thing to say that X number of people died. That doesn't affect people. But seeing all the names listed?


Yeah, I remember the first and last time I saw it. I think every memorial from now on should have all the names on them where they are visible.
They should have already started on the Iraq and Afghan war.
 
2012-05-29 04:55:03 PM
Hello, little man. Boy, I sure heard a bunch about you. See, I was a good friend of your dad's. We were in that Fark pit of hell together for over five years. Hopefully, you'll never have to experience this yourself, but when two men are in a situation like me and your dad were, for as long as we were, you take on certain responsibilities of the other. If it had been me who had not made it, Major Coolidge would be talking right now to my son Jim. But the way it turned out is I'm talking to you, Butch. I got something for ya. This Walken tag I got here was first purchased by your great-grandfather during the first world war. It was bought in a little general store in Knoxville, Tennessee, made by the first company to ever make Fark Tags. Up until then, people just clicked on the headline without knowing what the fark it was about. It was bought by Private Doughboy Ryan Coolidge the day he set sail for Paris. This was your great-grandfather's Walken tag, and he clicked it every day he was in the war. Then when he had done his duty, he went home to your great-grandmother, took the Walken Tag off and put it in an old coffee can. And in that can it stayed 'til your granddad Dane Coolidge was called upon by his country to go overseas and fight the Germans once again. This time they called it World War Two. Your great-grandfather gave this Walken Tag to your granddad for good luck. Unfortunately, Dane's luck wasn't as good as his old man's. Dane was a Marine and he was killed along with all the other Marines at the battle of Wake Island. Your granddad was facing death, and he knew it. None of those boys had any illusions about ever leaving that island alive. So three days before the Japanese took the island, your granddad asked a gunner on an Air Force transport named Winocki, a man he had never met before in his life, to deliver to his infant son, who he had never seen in the flesh, his Walken Tag. Three days later, your granddad was dead. But Winocki kept his word. After the war was over, he paid a visit to your grandmother, delivering to your infant father, his Dad's Walken Tag. This Walken Tag. This Walken Tag was on your Daddy's web browser when he was shot down over Fark. He was captured and put in a Kentucky prison camp. He knew if the Mods ever saw the Walken Tag that it'd be confiscated; taken away. The way your Dad looked at it, this Walken Tag was your birthright. He'd be damned if any Modmins were gonna put their greasy cheetos hands on his boy's birthright. So he hid it in the one place he knew he could hide something. His ass. Five long years, he wore this Walken Tag up his ass. And then he died of dysentery, he gave me the Walken Tag. I hid this uncomfortable gif file up my ass for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the Walken Tag to you.
 
2012-05-29 05:02:37 PM

you have pee hands: herrDrFarkenstein: Those dipshiats who think they have the right to criticize the military should go pick upmtheir own damn gun. Amirite? Those MEN kept us safe from communist expansion aggression and kept Vietnam the free country it is today. Just like those retarded liebruls who spit on our HEROES who destroyed Saddam's nukes and wmds and destroyed Alqaedas home base in Iraq.

What the fark were a bunch of drafted 19 year olds supposed to do? Dodge the draft and try to flee to another country; give up everything and never come back? Criticism is easy if you have no empathy.


Meh, your talking points are always parroted by the right. I have lots of friends and family who were in Vietnam. They all agree that it sucked, but none of them ever received abuse at home and most seemed to have gotten jobs because of their veteran status. Several of them gripe about Rambo as just another side of that stupid myth about the abused and disaffected vet.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005 / 04/30/debunking_a_spitting_image/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image

http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=350
 
2012-05-29 06:10:12 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: Meh, your talking points are always parroted by the right. I have lots of friends and family who were in Vietnam. They all agree that it sucked, but none of them ever received abuse at home and most seemed to have gotten jobs because of their veteran status. Several of them gripe about Rambo as just another side of that stupid myth about the abused and disaffected vet.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005 / 04/30/debunking_a_spitting_image/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image

http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=350



you are gonna go with the sociologist that said direct testimonial evidence can't be trusted?????
f*cking really? the *science* of sociology is f*cking based on testimony and self reporting to an incredible degree. there is an entire sociological discipline that declares that personal narrative inquiry is the truest form of knowledge we can obtain.

and you are gonna go with the sociologist who says it is an urban legend because narrative information and self reporting isn't valid? that he tried to find evidence of this happening and that he couldn't so it doesn't exist?

what a bunch of f*cking nonsense.
 
2012-05-29 06:40:07 PM

relcec: herrDrFarkenstein: Meh, your talking points are always parroted by the right. I have lots of friends and family who were in Vietnam. They all agree that it sucked, but none of them ever received abuse at home and most seemed to have gotten jobs because of their veteran status. Several of them gripe about Rambo as just another side of that stupid myth about the abused and disaffected vet.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005 / 04/30/debunking_a_spitting_image/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image

http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=350


you are gonna go with the sociologist that said direct testimonial evidence can't be trusted?????
f*cking really? the *science* of sociology is f*cking based on testimony and self reporting to an incredible degree. there is an entire sociological discipline that declares that personal narrative inquiry is the truest form of knowledge we can obtain.

and you are gonna go with the sociologist who says it is an urban legend because narrative information and self reporting isn't valid? that he tried to find evidence of this happening and that he couldn't so it doesn't exist?

what a bunch of f*cking nonsense.


Yea, I'm not sure most people wrote down "I got called a baby killer today. Feels bad, man." or "I told those baby-killing vets that they were a huge group of baby killers today. I fought the system so hard. I'll bet the capitalist war pigs are shivering in their gilded houses."
 
2012-05-29 06:57:41 PM

kbotc: relcec: herrDrFarkenstein: Meh, your talking points are always parroted by the right. I have lots of friends and family who were in Vietnam. They all agree that it sucked, but none of them ever received abuse at home and most seemed to have gotten jobs because of their veteran status. Several of them gripe about Rambo as just another side of that stupid myth about the abused and disaffected vet.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005 / 04/30/debunking_a_spitting_image/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image

http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=350


you are gonna go with the sociologist that said direct testimonial evidence can't be trusted?????
f*cking really? the *science* of sociology is f*cking based on testimony and self reporting to an incredible degree. there is an entire sociological discipline that declares that personal narrative inquiry is the truest form of knowledge we can obtain.

and you are gonna go with the sociologist who says it is an urban legend because narrative information and self reporting isn't valid? that he tried to find evidence of this happening and that he couldn't so it doesn't exist?

what a bunch of f*cking nonsense.

Yea, I'm not sure most people wrote down "I got called a baby killer today. Feels bad, man." or "I told those baby-killing vets that they were a huge group of baby killers today. I fought the system so hard. I'll bet the capitalist war pigs are shivering in their gilded houses."


So my personal narrative inquiry of vets in my life (grunts too) who got by okay, corroborated by an independent researcher, is trumped by your urban myth. Okay. If it's gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.

Note, I am not saying nobody ever received abuse, just that it was very isolated.
 
2012-05-29 09:02:09 PM
herrDrFarkenstein

Those dipshiats who think they have the right to criticize the military should go pick upmtheir own damn gun. Amirite? Those MEN kept us safe from communist expansion aggression and kept Vietnam the free country it is today. Just like those retarded liebruls who spit on our HEROES who destroyed Saddam's nukes and wmds and destroyed Alqaedas home base in Iraq.


Not sure if you're trolling or not but the Vietnam war had the Draft going. You graduated high school and within months, you got your draft notice. You had one option: enlist before you got drafted. You stood less of a chance of winding up in the front lines. Get drafted and you'd better start learning about Vietnam and forget about everything you learned from those WW2 movies that were so popular back then.

McNamara had this thing for lists. He demanded body counts of enemy killed, counts of US aircraft attacks, counts of bombs and so on. At the same time, LBJ refused to let troops attack certain cities where the Vietcong and Chinese were amassing weapons, until AFTER the places were fully armed and barricaded and THEN he let our troops go in and get cut to pieces.

Politicians ran the war. Quite a few seasoned military officers were basically told to mind their own business when they disagreed with Washington's orders and quite a few gave up their commissions or were threatened with discharge.

It was basically a p$$$ing match between the US and China. Our men and women walked into hell incarnate and far too many of them never came back.

Those that did and were shot to hell discovered that since Vietnam was not a declared WAR, they did not qualify for military care after discharge nor wartime benefits. They had to fight like heck when they got back and staged a protest, where they got gassed by the cops on Washington's orders. Eventually, they won their rights to benefits but Congress was determined not to release the millions it would take to care for the walking wounded without a fight.

Now, in Vietnam they have tours showing folks how they fought the Americans and Americans are among the tourists.
 
2012-05-29 09:47:53 PM
Wow! I wish my husband was still alive to read this, (died 04/2006), he could really relate to it.
I can't count the times he would get a call out of the blue from family members of his fellow soldiers, wanting any information he might have about them. He finally began inviting these people to visit him so he could talk to them in person. A son of one of his friends, who was killed in action, came to talk about his dad once. During their conversation my husband excused himself and came back a few minutes later with a mess kit that belonged to his father and gave it to him.
Not as big a deal as the watch story, but I'll never forget the look on that young mans face.

What a beautiful story about the watch.
 
2012-05-30 02:45:15 PM

relcec: there is an entire sociological discipline that declares that personal narrative inquiry is the truest form of knowledge we can obtain.


Really? What's it called? Let's take a look at that. Or is it something that you sort of half-remember from a college lecture that you weren't really paying attention to as you were texting your brahs about the kegger that you were going to on Friday? Uncorroborated first-person accounts, particularly those taken after a significant passage of time, are no more reliable than any other story that someone might have embellished or made up out of whole cloth for whatever purpose. Vietnam vets are no less likely to invent or pass on an urban legend, either.
 
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