First thought:
14 kids? too many, they sound VERY trashy
-clicks link-
second thought:
They look very white trashy
third thought:
council house sounds like something the govt gives poor people for free
fourth thought:
the govt should've fixed these people

-I'm not even going to bother really reading the whole story..

Sad, indeed. Those poor children.

We're all probably better off that those ASBO magnets perished before they had time to continue this family line.

One would think the impeding chav shortage would increase their value.

14 kids at age 31?

Stop breeding, people.

The family attracted attention in 2006 when Mr Philpott asked the council for a larger house to accommodate his wife, girlfriend and 14 children.

Wait. Wife and girlfriend under one roof?

I'm having difficulty understanding how could things get so desperate that someone could think "Our excess kids are a such burdeon honey, let's burn them alive", and then do so.

Huh. I've always thought those "we have 40 kids and have never worked a day in our lives so the government needs to give us a bigger free house because we deserve it for having children that we can't support" articles from the Daily Fail were sensationalized BS, but it turns out that at least one of them was true.

Doesn't really sound like the police think the parents actually had anything to do with the fire though. Sounds like they found accelerant at the point where the fire started and are simply doing police work, probably asking questions like, "Did you store petrol in this location?"

I'm going to go ahead and guess it's a "The government is not gonna use MY tax money to support these people any more" type person.

I grew up in a large family, twenty-eight siblings with thirty years between the youngest and oldest. Roughly half of us survived to adulthood. It wasn't uncommon that one of us, especially the younger ones, would go missing and no one would notice for weeks, possibly months. With that many people around, it was never a troubling loss, much less devastating. Although I can see how losing six at once might be sad for the parents, they still have over a 50% survival rate. That's pretty good considering they live in Derby, which is the abduction and child murder capital of England.

I see that they already have been found guilty, because when the police release a statement here that they arrested someone for serious crimes it is along the lines that he/she/they is/are to be seen innocent until proven guilty in court.

I was going to comment on the g/f and wife living in the house with the guy, but I see this has already been covered. \

/One man, a wife, and a girlfriend smells of the same covert polygamy that exists in the western US
//Excess children and government assistance seem to be a common factor supporting this theory
///discuss

spentmiles: I grew up in a large family, twenty-eight siblings with thirty years between the youngest and oldest. Roughly half of us survived to adulthood. It wasn't uncommon that one of us, especially the younger ones, would go missing and no one would notice for weeks, possibly months. With that many people around, it was never a troubling loss, much less devastating. Although I can see how losing six at once might be sad for the parents, they still have over a 50% survival rate. That's pretty good considering they live in Derby, which is the abduction and child murder capital of England.

All I can do is flail in confusion.

Creoena: 14 kids at age 31?

Stop breeding, people.

a minimum of 10.5 years to pop all those kids out. Gotta give props. I don't think I ever had dreams that big out of high school.

spentmiles: I grew up in a large family, twenty-eight siblings with thirty years between the youngest and oldest. Roughly half of us survived to adulthood. It wasn't uncommon that one of us, especially the younger ones, would go missing and no one would notice for weeks, possibly months. With that many people around, it was never a troubling loss, much less devastating. Although I can see how losing six at once might be sad for the parents, they still have over a 50% survival rate. That's pretty good considering they live in Derby, which is the abduction and child murder capital of England.
28!!! Your old dear must have had a fanny like Marry Poppins Bag.

Philpott is a very British name.

spentmiles: I grew up in a large family, twenty-eight siblings with thirty years between the youngest and oldest. Roughly half of us survived to adulthood. It wasn't uncommon that one of us, especially the younger ones, would go missing and no one would notice for weeks, possibly months. With that many people around, it was never a troubling loss, much less devastating. Although I can see how losing six at once might be sad for the parents, they still have over a 50% survival rate. That's pretty good considering they live in Derby, which is the abduction and child murder capital of England.

Good hell. Your mom makes the Duggars look like amateurs.
50% is acceptable?
We are humans not rabbits.
Did your parents eat their young too?

mod3072: Huh. I've always thought those "we have 40 kids and have never worked a day in our lives so the government needs to give us a bigger free house because we deserve it for having children that we can't support" articles from the Daily Fail were sensationalized BS, but it turns out that at least one of them was true.

At least the UK is becoming secualrised, so the incidence of excessive family sizes is dropping. No such luck in the USA where 75% still believe in teh sky fairies.

/ my great-grandparents were Wee-Free's and had 11 kids

Philpott? More like Cobblepot, eh?

/crackpot

Pert: Incredibly sad - my gut reaction is that they never wanted to harm the children and in desperation tried to engineer a move to a bigger house and it all went horribly wrong. In which case that means that 6 children have lost their lives and another 8 are going to spend a LONG time without their parents and (most likely) separated from each other.

I would hope that's the case. I still think back to a case probably 20 years ago now in Detroit where a car with three young boys and their parents had the gas pedal "get stuck" and go into the Detroit River. All three kids died and everyone felt so bad watching their mourning father cry on the local news. And then it turned out he purposely drove the car into the river to collect the insurance on the kids. When a parent gets desperate, they can become horrible monsters.

Santa's Knee: [itsokaytolikeit.com image 480x444]
"Whar housing application? WHAR?"

That is so disgusting and yet surprisingly well done...

Where can I buy one?

/I imagine being able to squish the belly and seeing gross little fetuses floating around like those novelty dollar store toys.

Korzine: Doesn't really sound like the police think the parents actually had anything to do with the fire though. Sounds like they found accelerant at the point where the fire started and are simply doing police work, probably asking questions like, "Did you store petrol in this location the mailbox?"


Because, according to TFA, that's where the fire started. Something tells me they've got this all figured out already.

The herd needed thinning anyway.

Dr.Knockboots: First thought:
14 kids? too many, they sound VERY trashy
-clicks link-
second thought:
They look very white trashy
third thought:
council house sounds like something the govt gives poor people for free
fourth thought:
the govt should've fixed these people

-I'm not even going to bother really reading the whole story..

You sort of sound like a fire would do you some good as well.

ParaHandy: mod3072: Huh. I've always thought those "we have 40 kids and have never worked a day in our lives so the government needs to give us a bigger free house because we deserve it for having children that we can't support" articles from the Daily Fail were sensationalized BS, but it turns out that at least one of them was true.

At least the UK is becoming secualrised, so the incidence of excessive family sizes is dropping. No such luck in the USA where 75% still believe in teh sky fairies.

/ my great-grandparents were Wee-Free's and had 11 kids

Becoming? People might still tick Church of England on the Census, but that's a reflection of culture not belief. Even back in 2007 only 15% of people in the UK went to church once a month or more.

EdNortonsTwin: I'm having difficulty understanding how could things get so desperate that someone could think "Our excess kids are a such burdeon honey, let's burn them alive", and then do so.

Should have sold them for medical experments

Pert: Dr.Knockboots: council house sounds like something the govt gives poor people for free

A council house isn't free, it's generally fairly basic accommodation given to prevent people from becoming homeless (especially children) and generally charged out at an affordable rent, although the rent may be covered by certain government benefits.

Sadly the first thing I thought when I initially saw the story a couple of weeks ago was that they may have burned the place down themselves to get moved into bigger accommodation, given that this nugget was included:

The family attracted attention in 2006 when Mr Philpott asked the council for a larger house to accommodate his wife, girlfriend and 14 children.

Incredibly sad - my gut reaction is that they never wanted to harm the children and in desperation tried to engineer a move to a bigger house and it all went horribly wrong. In which case that means that 6 children have lost their lives and another 8 are going to spend a LONG time without their parents and (most likely) separated from each other.

Dreadful, dreadful story...

Still, innocent until proven guilty, eh?

That's the first thing I thought of when I first saw it on the news.

Korzine: Doesn't really sound like the police think the parents actually had anything to do with the fire though. Sounds like they found accelerant at the point where the fire started and are simply doing police work, probably asking questions like, "Did you store petrol in this location?"

I'm going to go ahead and guess it's a "The government is not gonna use MY tax money to support these people any more" type person.

The popo actually arrested 2 suspects and released them without charge before arresting the parents.

The popo first believed that it could have been someone who was pissed off at the family for the audacity for asking for a bigger house.

/If you think your house/flat is too small, stop having farking kids.

Pert: AverageAmericanGuy: We're all probably better off that those ASBO magnets perished before they had time to continue this family line.

Valiente: One would think the impeding chav shortage would increase their value.

Jesus Christ, I know this is Fark but these are innocent dead children we're talking about.........

/welcometofark.jpg

I'm sorry you slipped on Kofi Annan's soap on the way in, friendo.

cgraves67: Philpott is a very British name.

It's also a lifestyle choice and slang for a uterus.

lemortede: spentmiles: I grew up in a large family, twenty-eight siblings with thirty years between the youngest and oldest. Roughly half of us survived to adulthood. It wasn't uncommon that one of us, especially the younger ones, would go missing and no one would notice for weeks, possibly months. With that many people around, it was never a troubling loss, much less devastating. Although I can see how losing six at once might be sad for the parents, they still have over a 50% survival rate. That's pretty good considering they live in Derby, which is the abduction and child murder capital of England.

Good hell. Your mom makes the Duggars look like amateurs.
50% is acceptable?
We are humans not rabbits.
Did your parents eat their young too?

Seriously? People bit on spentmiles?

Why only one of the two adult females arrested? Maybe, somebody, somewhere was feeling a wee bit slighted?

I mean, as long as we're jumping to conclusions, let's jump high.

They didn't have to burn the house down to get rid of six kits. They could have just stuffed them back into her vagina. They'd have fit.

Can't get a bigger house? Get a smaller family.

**shiver**

Those poor kids...

cherryl taggart: Why only one of the two adult females arrested? Maybe, somebody, somewhere was feeling a wee bit slighted?

I mean, as long as we're jumping to conclusions, let's jump high.

If she'd jumped higher, she wouldn't have completed 14 pregnancies.

At least he didn't set the fire to get donations for Christmas gifts. then try to have the girlfriend killed
only to get shanked in prison

Hope the bastards burn in hell, or at least get a bigger council house.

Pert: AverageAmericanGuy: We're all probably better off that those ASBO magnets perished before they had time to continue this family line.

Valiente: One would think the impeding chav shortage would increase their value.

Jesus Christ, I know this is Fark but these are innocent dead children we're talking about.........

/welcometofark.jpg

No family in the first world countries with more than eight kids can be considered innocent if I believe TLC right.

inclemency: Even though I want to say 2 kids is an egomaniacal, world-destroying douche.

trust me, the Earth doesn't care that you are not having kids.

The rest of us thank you though.

For every kid you don't have, I'm having THREE!

Santa's Knee: [itsokaytolikeit.com image 480x444]
"Whar housing application? WHAR?"

I just listened to her interview with Howard Stern a couple days ago, and that woman is a flaked out ADHD weirdo. She's so manic, she could hardly pay attention to what he was asking, then barely gave any sort of coherent answer among her stream-of-consciousness ramblings.

I feel sorry for her kids - it's not their fault that they don't have a Dad and their Mom is reality-deficient.

LazarusLong42: Seriously? People bit on spentmiles?

Yeah, I'm starting to think he might not always be telling the truth.

joyride75: LazarusLong42: Seriously? People bit on spentmiles?

Yeah, I'm starting to think he might not always be telling the truth.

Maybe 4chan is wonky today and the summerfags have invaded Fark.

If everyone had 10+ kids, the human race would be completely and utterly farked within a handful of generations. I hate people.

gretzkyscores: Santa's Knee: [itsokaytolikeit.com image 480x444]
"Whar housing application? WHAR?"

I just listened to her interview with Howard Stern a couple days ago, and that woman is a flaked out ADHD weirdo. She's so manic, she could hardly pay attention to what he was asking, then barely gave any sort of coherent answer among her stream-of-consciousness ramblings.

I feel sorry for her kids - it's not their fault that they don't have a Dad and their Mom is reality-deficient.

Hey, man, keep us ADHD people out of it.

Part I: The Miracle of Birth - The Third World (Yorkshire)

ParaHandy: At least the UK is becoming secualrised, so the incidence of excessive family sizes is dropping. No such luck in the USA where 75% still believe in teh sky fairies.

If you discount immigration, the US is population-neutral right now.

EdNortonsTwin: I'm having difficulty understanding how could things get so desperate that someone could think "Our excess kids are a such burdeon honey, let's burn them alive", and then do so.

Given that the story is typically light on facts, it's hard to say exactly what has happened. However, I did read in there that the couple asked for a bigger house. It could be that they set the fire to force the government to grant them a new and larger residence. Perhaps they didn't mean for anyone to get hurt. Maybe they didn't do it at all. They were arrested, but released - uncharged.

James F. Campbell: B-b-but the right to procreate is an inviolable human right!!!111

Die, humans.

Just don't expect other people to pay for them beyond an orphanage. The incentive needs to be removed! Bring back orphanages. No check to the breeders every month. Can't feed 'em? Off to the orphanage.

fat boy: EdNortonsTwin: I'm having difficulty understanding how could things get so desperate that someone could think "Our excess kids are a such burdeon honey, let's burn them alive", and then do so.

Should have sold them for medical experments

I like the cut of your jib.

It is easy picking out the newbies thru the SpentMiles test.

As for the article, how is this different from abortion?


/salted
//hold the butter
///remembers thread's original subject
////actually cancel that order
//slash satisfaction

inclemency: Well done spentmiles.

I believe that anyone with more than.... Let's say 4? Even though I want to say 2 kids is an egomaniacal, world-destroying douche.

Burning your unnecessary children alive though deserves proximite judgment.

/has no children on purpose
//world already sucks, why inflict that on anyone else?

Due to the fact that some portion of the population never has kids, breeding couples need to average a little over three to achieve population replacement, last I heard. So I'd stick with over 4.

halfof33: inclemency: Even though I want to say 2 kids is an egomaniacal, world-destroying douche.

trust me, the Earth doesn't care that you are not having kids.

The rest of us thank you though.

For every kid you don't have, I'm having THREE!

Has Sarah Palin's tard cannon taught you nothing?

Let's get this rolling:

If you can't support YOURSELF without gov't assistance, how the hell can you support kids?

WELFARE = NORPLANT

EdNortonsTwin: I'm having difficulty understanding how could things get so desperate that someone could think "Our excess kids are a such burdeon honey, let's burn them alive", and then do so.

If only there was some way they could have not had all those kids. Some sort of way to "control" birth.

lemortede: spentmiles: I grew up in a large family, twenty-eight siblings with thirty years between the youngest and oldest. Roughly half of us survived to adulthood. It wasn't uncommon that one of us, especially the younger ones, would go missing and no one would notice for weeks, possibly months. With that many people around, it was never a troubling loss, much less devastating. Although I can see how losing six at once might be sad for the parents, they still have over a 50% survival rate. That's pretty good considering they live in Derby, which is the abduction and child murder capital of England.

Good hell. Your mom makes the Duggars look like amateurs.
50% is acceptable?
We are humans not rabbits.
Did your parents eat their young too?

Let me introduce you to spent miles. Him and Pocket Ninja are probably the two most colourfully highlighted users on Fark. It would be awesome to see them just posting stories in one thread, trying to one up each other.

Santa's Knee: Let's get this rolling:

If you can't support YOURSELF without gov't assistance, how the hell can you support kids?

WELFARE = NORPLANT

And any rugrats you already have are taken away from you.

cherryl taggart: Why only one of the two adult females arrested? Maybe, somebody, somewhere was feeling a wee bit slighted?

I mean, as long as we're jumping to conclusions, let's jump high.

It was the girlfriend who wss arrested last time. They split up and she moved out a few months back.

Skirl Hutsenreiter: inclemency: Well done spentmiles.

I believe that anyone with more than.... Let's say 4? Even though I want to say 2 kids is an egomaniacal, world-destroying douche.

Burning your unnecessary children alive though deserves proximite judgment.

/has no children on purpose
//world already sucks, why inflict that on anyone else?

Due to the fact that some portion of the population never has kids, breeding couples need to average a little over three to achieve population replacement, last I heard. So I'd stick with over 4.

What makes you think we need population replacement? Do we need to maintain north of 6 billion?

Skirl Hutsenreiter: inclemency: Well done spentmiles.

I believe that anyone with more than.... Let's say 4? Even though I want to say 2 kids is an egomaniacal, world-destroying douche.

Burning your unnecessary children alive though deserves proximite judgment.

/has no children on purpose
//world already sucks, why inflict that on anyone else?

Due to the fact that some portion of the population never has kids, breeding couples need to average a little over three to achieve population replacement, last I heard. So I'd stick with over 4.

I figure each parent can safely hold one kind in either arm. So that's 4 kids, max. You can always have live-in girlfriends or something and then have more kids, but that's still 2 kids max per person. If you're a thalidomide baby, uh... I don't know. One child per two feet?

durbnpoisn: Korzine: Doesn't really sound like the police think the parents actually had anything to do with the fire though. Sounds like they found accelerant at the point where the fire started and are simply doing police work, probably asking questions like, "Did you store petrol in this location the mailbox?"


Because, according to TFA, that's where the fire started. Something tells me they've got this all figured out already.

Know how I know you've never been to the UK?

Pert: Incredibly sad - my gut reaction is that they never wanted to harm the children and in desperation tried to engineer a move to a bigger house and it all went horribly wrong.

It's a thought, but what makes me skeptical about it is that these six children were asleep upstairs when the fire started (the article is unclear about where the other eight were). I admit that these people don't strike me as the brightest bulbs in the box, but I have trouble believing that if they were only trying to engineer a move, that they wouldn't have either made sure all the children were out of the house beforehand or made damn sure that they'd have an escape route.

But there's a hole in the murder theory too: why only six, and why these six? Why not all of them, for example? Or why not others than the ones who died? This doesn't fit the usual picture of someone killing their own children, and not just due to the sheer number of children involved.

I'm inclined to believe that the fire really was just an accident, and that the parents had nothing to do with it. I mean this only as a statement of probability: I am not closed to the idea that the parents really might have done it on purpose. But if they did, then I suspect there is more to the story than we have been told.

Matthew Keene: James F. Campbell: B-b-but the right to procreate is an inviolable human right!!!111

Die, humans.

Just don't expect other people to pay for them beyond an orphanage. The incentive needs to be removed! Bring back orphanages. No check to the breeders every month. Can't feed 'em? Off to the orphanage.

The problem with this is that you are victimizing the children in order to punish the parents.

/No, I don't have a simple solution to suggest

EdNortonsTwin: I'm having difficulty understanding how could things get so desperate that someone could think "Our excess kids are a such burdeon honey, let's burn them alive", and then do so.

Really?

capt.hollister: Matthew Keene: James F. Campbell: B-b-but the right to procreate is an inviolable human right!!!111

Die, humans.

Just don't expect other people to pay for them beyond an orphanage. The incentive needs to be removed! Bring back orphanages. No check to the breeders every month. Can't feed 'em? Off to the orphanage.

The problem with this is that you are victimizing the children in order to punish the parents.

/No, I don't have a simple solution to suggest

Most of the time, these tend to be the worst child abusers, so an orphanage may well be an improvement. But the incentive needs to be removed from the welfare cows.

EdNortonsTwin: I'm having difficulty understanding how could things get so desperate that someone could think "Our excess kids are a such burdeon honey, let's burn them alive", and then do so.

This isnt a new thing. Apparently, there are a few holy books running around that say not to kill your kids just because times are tight.

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: AverageAmericanGuy:


[i46.tinypic.com image 520x360]

"Symathy". It's a word. Look it up.


/godammitsomuch

Divested of their burden?

\obscure?

Dr.Knockboots: First thought:
14 kids? too many, they sound VERY trashy
-clicks link-
second thought:
They look very white trashy
third thought:
council house sounds like something the govt gives poor people for free
fourth thought:
the govt should've fixed these people

-I'm not even going to bother really reading the whole story..


As opposed to regular trashy? So by putting white in front of it, you're saying trash in general is black?

wambu: One could argue that most anything short of leaving the children in an environment where they are neglected and abuse is an improvement

We agree on the principle. We disagree on whether the home or the orphanage constitutes the greater risk.

/Again, I don't know the answer

EdNortonsTwin: I'm having difficulty understanding how could things get so desperate that someone could think "Our excess kids are a such burdeon honey, let's burn them alive", and then do so.

You clearly do not teach third grade.

Matthew Keene: capt.hollister: Matthew Keene: James F. Campbell: B-b-but the right to procreate is an inviolable human right!!!111

Die, humans.

Just don't expect other people to pay for them beyond an orphanage. The incentive needs to be removed! Bring back orphanages. No check to the breeders every month. Can't feed 'em? Off to the orphanage.

The problem with this is that you are victimizing the children in order to punish the parents.

/No, I don't have a simple solution to suggest

Most of the time, these tend to be the worst child abusers, so an orphanage may well be an improvement. But the incentive needs to be removed from the welfare cows.

Welfare Cows, Iove it! Why buy the milk when the cheese is free!

gretzkyscores: Santa's Knee: [itsokaytolikeit.com image 480x444]
"Whar housing application? WHAR?"

I just listened to her interview with Howard Stern a couple days ago, and that woman is a flaked out ADHD weirdo. She's so manic, she could hardly pay attention to what he was asking, then barely gave any sort of coherent answer among her stream-of-consciousness ramblings.

I feel sorry for her kids - it's not their fault that they don't have a Dad and their Mom is reality-deficient.

Isn't she going to be finger-blasting herself on camera for $$$ now too? Yeah, those kids should grow up to to fine, upstanding, productive members of society!

Skirl Hutsenreiter: population replacement, last I heard. So I'd stick with over 4.

if you're assuming we need to continue overpopulation, yes. Some of us don't assume such a thing, however.

//no kids, on purpose

FTFA: Jade Philpott, 10, and brothers John, nine, Jack, eight, Jessie, six and Jayden, five, died in the house fire on Victory Road on 11 May.

Am I alone in that when I first read this, I thought perhaps the family ran out of "J" names for their kids and jsut started assigning numbers?

hbk72777: Dr.Knockboots: First thought:
14 kids? too many, they sound VERY trashy
-clicks link-
second thought:
They look very white trashy
third thought:
council house sounds like something the govt gives poor people for free
fourth thought:
the govt should've fixed these people

-I'm not even going to bother really reading the whole story..


As opposed to regular trashy? So by putting white in front of it, you're saying trash in general is black?



A white horse is not a horse.

They should've just murdered them with pruning shears and embraced the metaphor.

31 year old married to a 51 year old? Gross. Who wants old balls?

BigLuca: They should've just murdered them with pruning shears and embraced the metaphor.

Or made a slurry to feed the rest.

Heb:
28!!! Your old dear must have had a fanny like Marry Poppins Bag.


I'm terribly sorry that it's so hot and musty in me "bag".



I've got 43 more of these in there somewhere if you'd like to meet them, children.

Fourteen kids, eh? Gee...I wonder who that reminds me of:



Oh yeah....

Dr.Knockboots: First thought:
14 kids? too many, they sound VERY trashy
-clicks link-
second thought:
They look very white trashy
third thought:
council house sounds like something the govt gives poor people for free
fourth thought:
the govt should've fixed these people

-I'm not even going to bother really reading the whole story..

hbk72777:As opposed to regular trashy? So by putting white in front of it, you're saying trash in general is black?



hbk72777, this is NOT an accurate representation of the world.

LazarusLong42: lemortede: spentmiles: I grew up in a large family, twenty-eight siblings with thirty years between the youngest and oldest. Roughly half of us survived to adulthood. It wasn't uncommon that one of us, especially the younger ones, would go missing and no one would notice for weeks, possibly months. With that many people around, it was never a troubling loss, much less devastating. Although I can see how losing six at once might be sad for the parents, they still have over a 50% survival rate. That's pretty good considering they live in Derby, which is the abduction and child murder capital of England.

Good hell. Your mom makes the Duggars look like amateurs.
50% is acceptable?
We are humans not rabbits.
Did your parents eat their young too?

Seriously? People bit on spentmiles?

Spentmiles expects people to bite?
He's so obviously making entertaining shiat up that anyone who bites should be put on a government de-population list.

/Unless lemortede is doing some kind of reverse trolling, in which case I just give up, and will take every single post at face value from here on out.
//except spentmiles

cowsspinach: 31 year old married to a 51 year old? Gross. Who wants old balls?

Those old balls apparently produce some hyper-virile sperm.

2 Replies: Dr.Knockboots: First thought:
14 kids? too many, they sound VERY trashy
-clicks link-
second thought:
They look very white trashy
third thought:
council house sounds like something the govt gives poor people for free
fourth thought:
the govt should've fixed these people

-I'm not even going to bother really reading the whole story..

hbk72777:As opposed to regular trashy? So by putting white in front of it, you're saying trash in general is black?


[www.clker.com image 298x294]
hbk72777, this is NOT an accurate representation of the world.

Of course not. There is only one Black Sea, and we all know it doesn't do shiat but leech off the Mediterranean. It would probably cause global discord if the Caucasus weren't watching over it.

IamAwake: Skirl Hutsenreiter: population replacement, last I heard. So I'd stick with over 4.

if you're assuming we need to continue overpopulation, yes. Some of us don't assume such a thing, however.

//no kids, on purpose

It's a fair point. I just think it's funny when people act like those with two or three kids are overrunning the world because they had more than one. Someone was in a thread the other day making just that point about all his neighbors with their double strollers full of kids.

RobSeace: imprimere: Maybe they didn't do it at all. They were arrested, but released - uncharged.

No, you misread... (I did, too, at first...)

FTFA: Mick Philpott, 55, and his wife Mairead, 31, were arrested in Derby on Tuesday and are due to be questioned.
...
On 11 May, a 38-year-old man and a 28-year-old woman were arrested on suspicion of murder. They were both released without charge the following day.

Whoever these other people were that got released, they are obviously not the same as the mother and father who were just arrested... But, it would've been nice of the story to expand upon this little tidbit they just threw in at the end without warning...

Ah, good catch. I sit corrected.

Millennium: Pert: Incredibly sad - my gut reaction is that they never wanted to harm the children and in desperation tried to engineer a move to a bigger house and it all went horribly wrong.

It's a thought, but what makes me skeptical about it is that these six children were asleep upstairs when the fire started (the article is unclear about where the other eight were). I admit that these people don't strike me as the brightest bulbs in the box, but I have trouble believing that if they were only trying to engineer a move, that they wouldn't have either made sure all the children were out of the house beforehand or made damn sure that they'd have an escape route.

But there's a hole in the murder theory too: why only six, and why these six? Why not all of them, for example? Or why not others than the ones who died? This doesn't fit the usual picture of someone killing their own children, and not just due to the sheer number of children involved.

I'm inclined to believe that the fire really was just an accident, and that the parents had nothing to do with it. I mean this only as a statement of probability: I am not closed to the idea that the parents really might have done it on purpose. But if they did, then I suspect there is more to the story than we have been told.

I'm not entirely sure the other kids are living with the guy. He's _fathered_ 17 kids (by five different women) but I see nothing about them all living with him. It sounds like one of the other mothers was living in the same house with the kids she and this guy had had together but moved out shortly before the fire. Most of the pictures I've seen have _just_ these six in a group together, so it's logical to assume they were all the children of this guy and his current wife.

capt.hollister: Matthew Keene: James F. Campbell: B-b-but the right to procreate is an inviolable human right!!!111

Die, humans.

Just don't expect other people to pay for them beyond an orphanage. The incentive needs to be removed! Bring back orphanages. No check to the breeders every month. Can't feed 'em? Off to the orphanage.

The problem with this is that you are victimizing the children in order to punish the parents.

/No, I don't have a simple solution to suggest

I have a modest proposal for you.

Bravo to spentmiles for being able to reel them in hook, line, and sinker.

RobSeace: imprimere: Maybe they didn't do it at all. They were arrested, but released - uncharged.

No, you misread... (I did, too, at first...)

FTFA: Mick Philpott, 55, and his wife Mairead, 31, were arrested in Derby on Tuesday and are due to be questioned.
...
On 11 May, a 38-year-old man and a 28-year-old woman were arrested on suspicion of murder. They were both released without charge the following day.

Whoever these other people were that got released, they are obviously not the same as the mother and father who were just arrested... But, it would've been nice of the story to expand upon this little tidbit they just threw in at the end without warning...

Plus I seem to recall hearing that in the UK "arrested" isn't _quite_ as dire as it is in the US. It just means you're detained pending your questioning and/or further investigation, but it doesn't mean charges are necessarily imminent. Anyone want to clarify?

spentmiles: I grew up in a large family, twenty-eight siblings with thirty years between the youngest and oldest. Roughly half of us survived to adulthood. It wasn't uncommon that one of us, especially the younger ones, would go missing and no one would notice for weeks, possibly months. With that many people around, it was never a troubling loss, much less devastating. Although I can see how losing six at once might be sad for the parents, they still have over a 50% survival rate. That's pretty good considering they live in Derby, which is the abduction and child murder capital of England.

Did you guys check under the couch cushions? I hear that's where lost things usually end up.

cowsspinach: 31 year old married to a 51 year old? Gross. Who wants old balls?

Consider the alternative: No balls at all.





/also known for poisoning his six kids.

//must be an "aryan" thing.

8 down and 6 to go for Darwin to score another touchdown.

spentmiles: I grew up in a large family, twenty-eight siblings with thirty years between the youngest and oldest. Roughly half of us survived to adulthood. It wasn't uncommon that one of us, especially the younger ones, would go missing and no one would notice for weeks, possibly months. With that many people around, it was never a troubling loss, much less devastating. Although I can see how losing six at once might be sad for the parents, they still have over a 50% survival rate. That's pretty good considering they live in Derby, which is the abduction and child murder capital of England.

Hmmm. Your mom's maiden name wouldn't be Soylent would it?

taliesinwi: RobSeace: imprimere: Maybe they didn't do it at all. They were arrested, but released - uncharged.

No, you misread... (I did, too, at first...)

FTFA: Mick Philpott, 55, and his wife Mairead, 31, were arrested in Derby on Tuesday and are due to be questioned.
...
On 11 May, a 38-year-old man and a 28-year-old woman were arrested on suspicion of murder. They were both released without charge the following day.

Whoever these other people were that got released, they are obviously not the same as the mother and father who were just arrested... But, it would've been nice of the story to expand upon this little tidbit they just threw in at the end without warning...

Plus I seem to recall hearing that in the UK "arrested" isn't _quite_ as dire as it is in the US. It just means you're detained pending your questioning and/or further investigation, but it doesn't mean charges are necessarily imminent. Anyone want to clarify?

Kind of, yeah. When a crime is committed, the police here arrest absolutely everyone involved. Not necessarily to punish, but to ensure they get the facts from as many sources as possible whilst it's still fresh in their minds. However, this is looking very bad for these 2. There's no way they would do this to grieving parents unless something had come up. I heard they had been under surveillance and had been acting suspiciously. They also had been complaining that they needed a bigger house. I think I can see the motive.

Creoena: 14 kids at age 31?

Stop breeding, people.

Amen.
People that breed like frogs get 0 respect from me.
Farking dumbing down teh planet.

cowsspinach: 31 year old married to a 51 year old? Gross. Who wants old balls?

Who wants any kind of balls? Is there some pro-balls contingent out there that just LOVES BALLS?

Jesus, they weren't supposed to take it literally

This story worries me for two reasons. First, it's eerily reminiscent of a similar story in Texas where it was later shown that the "fire expert" on whose evidence the conviction almost entirely rested was as much an expert on fire as a witchdoctor is an expert in medicine (they executed him anway). Secondly, the quote by the police asking people to come forward if they'd previously been uncomfortable with voicing thier suspicions. Human memory is a terribly unreliable and fragile thing and it's hard for me to think of a more effective way to bias witnesses than what he did there.

mccallcl: Who wants any kind of balls? Is there some pro-balls contingent out there that just LOVES BALLS?

I'm kind of attached to mine...

Pert: taliesinwi: Plus I seem to recall hearing that in the UK "arrested" isn't _quite_ as dire as it is in the US. It just means you're detained pending your questioning and/or further investigation, but it doesn't mean charges are necessarily imminent. Anyone want to clarify?

Why certainly:

a lawful arrest requires two elements:
(a) a person's involvement, or suspected involvement or attempted involvement in the commission of a criminal offence; and
(b) reasonable grounds for believing that the arrest is necessary

The reasons are-
(a) to enable the name of the person in question to be ascertained (in the case
where the constable does not know, and cannot readily ascertain, the person's
name, or has reasonable grounds for doubting whether a name given by the
person as his name is his real name);
(b) correspondingly as regards the person's address;
(c) to prevent the person in question-
(i) causing physical injury to himself or any other person,
(ii) suffering physical injury,
(iii) causing loss of or damage to property,
(iv) committing an offence against public decency (subject to subsection (6)), or
(v) causing an unlawful obstruction of the highway;
(d) to protect a child or other vulnerable person from the person in question;
(e) to allow the prompt and effective investigation of the offence or of the conduct of the person in question;
(f) to prevent any prosecution for the offence from being hindered by the disappearance of the person in question.

s24 Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) 1984

I'm guessing (e) is probably the main one, although (d) and (b)(i) look likely too.

They should introduce this in the USA ... here they arrest all kinds of people who are no danger to anyone - people with a dime bag of weed, elementary school kids, a woman who doesn't get out of the way fast enough when a cop kicks her pregnant stomach, and pretty much anyone brown.

myne: spentmiles:
All I can do is flail in confusion.

Be careful reading this, then you'll drown in the wonder of WTF Link

spentmiles: I grew up in a large family, twenty-eight siblings with thirty years between the youngest and oldest. Roughly half of us survived to adulthood. It wasn't uncommon that one of us, especially the younger ones, would go missing and no one would notice for weeks, possibly months. With that many people around, it was never a troubling loss, much less devastating.

Luxury.

Morpheses:

Did you guys check under the couch cushions? I hear that's where lost things usually end up.



That's where I fond Jesus.

USA! USA! USA!

myne: spentmiles: I grew up in a large family, twenty-eight siblings with thirty years between the youngest and oldest. Roughly half of us survived to adulthood. It wasn't uncommon that one of us, especially the younger ones, would go missing and no one would notice for weeks, possibly months. With that many people around, it was never a troubling loss, much less devastating. Although I can see how losing six at once might be sad for the parents, they still have over a 50% survival rate. That's pretty good considering they live in Derby, which is the abduction and child murder capital of England.

All I can do is flail in confusion.

...sigh... Would you guys stop quoting him/her, please? I have him/her on "ignore" to spare myself his/her trolling blather.

and no i don't care if they are male or female

FarkinHostile: Morpheses:

Did you guys check under the couch cushions? I hear that's where lost things usually end up.



That's where I fond Jesus.

I'm also fond of Couch Jesus.

tarnok: This story worries me for two reasons. First, it's eerily reminiscent of a similar story in Texas where it was later shown that the "fire expert" on whose evidence the conviction almost entirely rested was as much an expert on fire as a witchdoctor is an expert in medicine (they executed him anway). Secondly, the quote by the police asking people to come forward if they'd previously been uncomfortable with voicing thier suspicions. Human memory is a terribly unreliable and fragile thing and it's hard for me to think of a more effective way to bias witnesses than what he did there.

What the hell are you talking about??? Human memory has proven to be rock-steady. Just read about the Trayvon Martin witnesses if you don't believe me.

jackandwater: ...sigh... Would you guys stop quoting him/her, please? I have him/her on "ignore" to spare myself his/her trolling blather.

You won't be able to change everyone else's behavior. If it bothers you, you can ignore them even further. Just go here and select the options about "Ignore posts from unignored users that [...] on your ignore list."

Face it, people: "Birth" is hardly a "miracle" anymore. Nowadays, it's "Gainful Employment."

Two weeks ago a guy in a neighboring district tied his wife in the car so she could watch, cut her legs so she couldn't run, went into the house with his four year old kid, who he shot, set the house on fire and killed himself.

Not every farked up tragedy makes the news.

tarnok: This story worries me for two reasons. First, it's eerily reminiscent of a similar story in Texas where it was later shown that the "fire expert" on whose evidence the conviction almost entirely rested was as much an expert on fire as a witchdoctor is an expert in medicine (they executed him anway). Secondly, the quote by the police asking people to come forward if they'd previously been uncomfortable with voicing thier suspicions. Human memory is a terribly unreliable and fragile thing and it's hard for me to think of a more effective way to bias witnesses than what he did there.

I definitely see your point here (that Texas case was Farked. Up. And there was another woman convicted for burning her husband in his garage and then acquitted on appeal when somebody figured out that it wasn't arson at all. Luckily they figured it out before they fried her.) This is Britain, though. So instead of the needle, they'll get a few years.

browneye: Fourteen kids, eh? Gee...
octomom.jpg

worse yet - Karla Perez - NueveMom

At least the UK is becoming secualrised, so the incidence of excessive family sizes is dropping. No such luck in the USA where 75% still believe in teh sky fairies.

/ my great-grandparents were Wee-Free's and had 11 kids

Geez, where the hell do YOU live? Round here the population's staunchly Catholic and I don't know a single woman who isn't taking birth control. It's not a matter of becoming fully secularized so much as it is "The church isn't going to take care of my extra babby's, so I'd better not have them." I suppose extremist numbskulls like the "Quiverfull" movement are still pooping out babies (and that's fine with me as long as the government isn't paying for them. If it is, then the government should send ninjas to inject norplant capsules into the female family members once they're asleep.)

Population numbers do need to go down, but if it goes down too far, too fast, then I feel sorry for all of those young'uns 20 years down the line whose incomes have to support several retired old people. Let's hope science can invent some Roujin Z robots to take care of them all because I don't think we're going to have enough flesh and blood people willing or able to do so.

Not the first people to be arrested.

Being arrested does not equal guilt. I don't know, and neither do you.

Starry Heavens: jackandwater: ...sigh... Would you guys stop quoting him/her, please? I have him/her on "ignore" to spare myself his/her trolling blather.

You won't be able to change everyone else's behavior. If it bothers you, you can ignore them even further. Just go here and select the options about "Ignore posts from unignored users that [...] on your ignore list."

Yes, I know. But my ignore list is pretty extensive as it is.

//was just kidding anyway. ;)

hbk72777: Dr.Knockboots: First thought:
14 kids? too many, they sound VERY trashy
-clicks link-
second thought:
They look very white trashy
third thought:
council house sounds like something the govt gives poor people for free
fourth thought:
the govt should've fixed these people

-I'm not even going to bother really reading the whole story..


As opposed to regular trashy? So by putting white in front of it, you're saying trash in general is black?

Awwww...it is so cute when teatards try really hard to reflect and invoke their imagined Politically Correct oppression of the liberals but only accomplish illustrating their own mental defects when it comes to any social issue.

Here's a nice big council house for ya Mr Phillpot



/so proud that my hometown is on Fark
//just wish it were something a little less infanticidey

davidab: browneye: Fourteen kids, eh? Gee...
octomom.jpg

worse yet - Karla Perez - NueveMom
[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

You rotten bastard......I could have went the rest of my life without seeing that coont

inclemency: Well done spentmiles.

I believe that anyone with more than.... Let's say 4? Even though I want to say 2 kids is an egomaniacal, world-destroying douche.

Burning your unnecessary children alive though deserves proximite judgment.

/has no children on purpose
//world already sucks, why inflict that on anyone else?

I'd love to be your friend.

Then I'd always be comforted in the knowledge that no matter how bad my life is, it would always be infinitely better than yours.

Is it difficult being so superiorly world weary, or do you pull it off easily because you're a jerk?

P.S. If you're trolling, then you got me good and proper.

P.P.S. If you're serious, get help. I'm not even snarking anymore. It sounds like you need it.

From a 2006 article:

Mr Philpott, who in 1978 was convicted of attempted murder after stabbing a teenager 11 times, said he could never choose between the two women and he loved them both.

He added: "What man wouldn't want two women?

imprimere: There is only one Black Sea, and we all know it doesn't do shiat but leech off the Mediterranean. It would probably cause global discord if the Caucasus weren't watching over it.

I think I love you.

\In a platonic sort of way, of course.

PsiChick: That's why the government in Britain gives cheap housing to kids. They need a stable place to grow out of their parents. All of society benefits from breaking the cycle.

It'll be interesting to see how that works out. There's that view of it, and the other view that you're basically paying irresponsible adults to have children without concern of the consequences. You're subsidizing procreation among the poor, which inevitably means that more poor people have children.

Currently Britain has the one of the highest violent crime rates in the first world, and is number one in Europe. So which direction will this policy decision move that statistic I wonder?