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(Yahoo)   What the General MEANT to say is that the US has NOT been parachuting Special Forces into North Korea to perform special reconnaissance   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 21
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2012-05-29 01:10:54 PM  
2 votes:
The sad part is journalists feel entitled to try and endanger the lives of SpecOps soldiers in pursuit of 'getting the story'. They will routinely use snippets of information across a variety of conferences/press releases, make a guess, and attempt to pass off like they know something in an effort to gain additional information from folks who then believe they know more than they do. The worst part is if they find something, they'll actually -have to be pressured- to give the military time to extract forces before running the story. They would rather run the story than ensure the safety of the folks involved.

That, is sickening.

Citation needed? It happened frequently '01-'04, feel free to google it yourself. Still happens today. Black Ops makes for pageviews, pageviews make ad impressions, ad revenue creates cash flow. Cash > Lives.
2012-05-29 11:46:22 PM  
1 votes:

kim jong-un: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I would be surprised if south Korea hasn't done soundings and readings with ground-penetrating radar to ferret out most of the tunnels. They likely have a sensor network sensitive enough to detect the changing of the guard in Panmunjom.

UGS. Unattended ground sensors.

They work very well when installed correctly. The challenge is data exfiltration. Most are designed to communicate via radio. That makes them vulnerable to being scouted out when they sound.

Several options for more covert action exist however.

1. Planned asset loss with a full transmission after a period of collection. Ie dump the data at once over the air. Zeroize memory.

2. Don't care. Let them operate as normal and if they are found, then we learn about the North's EM scan capability an patrol response patterns. We would know when the device is approached.

3. Covert extraction. No rf transmission. Data collection by hand. Personally this option seems way too risky on many levels.

4. Basic one time tripline reporting. Can be done by RF but other methods exist.

5. Goofy stuff (return flight AUAVS) not likely.


6. Traditional "old style" comms - use spread spectrum and compress the data to keep it short.

7. Why broadcast when you can find "up" and point it that way?

8. Don't upload from your data sensors - use sneaky wave to relay the data to an uplink point that uses a small dish to a LEO satellite. If the uplink point is found, you switch to the next backup. (ELASTIC, CLENS, etc)

9. Upload using low power to a small aerostat or low-observable drone, let the drone upload to a satellite after it's left the area

10. Point small laser up, wait for satellite, download to heart's content.
2012-05-29 03:28:30 PM  
1 votes:
Are we just trolling BK now?

US General "Yeah, we put some US troops into N. Korea."
US General "Um...I ment we put NO troops into N. Korea. Yeah, thats it. Yesterday at 0300 Zulu we did not parachute armed special forces into North Korea" *snicker*
L'il Kim: U.S. Troops? In MY country
BK General: It's more likely than you think
L'ill Kim: Find them! Put all your efforts into this! Don't come back until you do! Take the whole army with you!

Meanwhile we're just laughing it up as Kim&Co. search all of BK for something that's not there.
2012-05-29 02:48:12 PM  
1 votes:
intelligent comment below SmartestFunniest 2012-05-29 02:00:26 PM


SirEattonHogg: Yes, millions of South Koreans regret they weren't able to go communist. I mean South Korea is such an awful place.


Actually most want unification, you should really check your facts.

And one country receives billions in aid and support, the other blocked from doing business with the world, just like Cuba. Not surprising their economies show this difference


Lot of countries recieve tons of aid from the US. See Egypt, Mexico. But some economies succeed and others do not do so well. Your comment is insulting to South Koreans - as if they can only succeed by being propped up by aid money. The sustained success of their economy was based on the hard work of their populace and reliance on an export economy.

And the Norks did receive lots of aid and technical advice from the Soviets and the Chinese. Its a flawed economic model. Fast initial growth based on heavy industry and basically "slave labor" but then it peeters out. Its not a sustainable economy.
2012-05-29 02:40:14 PM  
1 votes:

This text is now purple: intelligent comment below: Your country created the divide between North and South but suddenly it's not your problem? You created the atmosphere allowing a military dictatorship in charge of the North. Be a man and fix your mistakes. Don't act like it wasn't your fault.

It's more correct to argue that the US has responsibility for the existence of South Korea, which exists in the historically unnatural state of Korean self-governance. The US helped evict and disable the Japanese war machine that occupied Korea in the 1940s, and was an opponent of the winner of the trans-WWII Chinese civil war who currently runs NK as a puppet state and who was the primary contributor to the current truce line. So yes, it's the US's fault they beat the Japanese and drew with the Chinese and allowed Korea to exist at all as an independent nation. Which is why they support SK.

NK is China's fault.


It's even more correct to state that it was Soviet Russia and the Allies that split Korea, much like Germany, after WWII after kicking out Japan. The South was allowed to become democratic while the North stayed communist. The Nork regime and all of the statues and monuments in Pyonyang owe more to Stalin than Mao.

In Soviet Korea, everybody starves.
2012-05-29 01:58:09 PM  
1 votes:

intelligent comment below: anfrind: The Americans didn't create the divide, the North Koreans did when they split off and formed their own Communist state, invaded South Korea, and then agreed to an uneasy truce.

Stop listening to the Kim dynasty's lies.


Correction. You mean America who refused to allow the entire country to go Communist, demanded military action to prevent the country from unification.


No, they refused to allow a Communist militia to overthrow the government. And according to the U.N., the actions of the north were illegal and a police action involving international forces was fully justified.

Why would I listen to a dictators lies? I don't listen to America or North Korea.

Sure you don't.
2012-05-29 01:57:38 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Peanut: SuperNinjaToad: Joe Peanut: mongbiohazard: Joe Peanut: And a groups of Americans would blend in so well in rural BK.....


I'm pretty sure Americans would feel right at home in a rural Burger King. ;)

B is for Best. ;-)
Joe Peanut: And a groups of Americans would blend in so well in rural BK.....

Hmmm you do realize that there are plenty of Asian Americans in the US military right? .... or are you just making your usual stereotype where American = white only?

Doesn't matter. They would still stick out like a sore thumb. They would be larger, speak with different accents, and it is not the kind of place where people travel much. So a bunch of tall, physically fit Asians Speaking funny and not used to the local costumes suddenly showing-up in a small BK town would not blend in well.



Not to mention that all forms of travel are completely restricted. You can't even go to the next hovel town over without permission. Any unknowns showing up would be highly suspect.
2012-05-29 01:53:38 PM  
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: Joe Peanut: mongbiohazard: Joe Peanut: And a groups of Americans would blend in so well in rural BK.....


I'm pretty sure Americans would feel right at home in a rural Burger King. ;)

B is for Best. ;-)
Joe Peanut: And a groups of Americans would blend in so well in rural BK.....

Hmmm you do realize that there are plenty of Asian Americans in the US military right? .... or are you just making your usual stereotype where American = white only?


Doesn't matter. They would still stick out like a sore thumb. They would be larger, speak with different accents, and it is not the kind of place where people travel much. So a bunch of tall, physically fit Asians Speaking funny and not used to the local costumes suddenly showing-up in a small BK town would not blend in well.
2012-05-29 01:51:54 PM  
1 votes:
intelligent comment below SmartestFunniest 2012-05-29 01:46:46 PM


anfrind: The Americans didn't create the divide, the North Koreans did when they split off and formed their own Communist state, invaded South Korea, and then agreed to an uneasy truce.

Stop listening to the Kim dynasty's lies.


Correction. You mean America who refused to allow the entire country to go Communist, demanded military action to prevent the country from unification.

Why would I listen to a dictators lies? I don't listen to America or North Korea.


Yes, millions of South Koreans regret they weren't able to go communist. I mean South Korea is such an awful place.
2012-05-29 01:47:35 PM  
1 votes:
I love that people assume the General spoke without government authorization.

Having retired Generals run their mouths can be an awesome tool.
2012-05-29 01:38:40 PM  
1 votes:

xaldin: Meh don't honestly give a damn about the people. They aren't worth the expense of invading and rebuilding. It'd take decades to bring them up to the modern level. The cost to benefit ratio is skewed totally. I'd rather let China deal with it and they pragmatically have same reasoning I have so nothing happens.


Wha...?

They're still human beings. Whether you think it's "worth" it or not.
2012-05-29 01:35:21 PM  
1 votes:

intelligent comment below: SirEattonHogg: South Korea is our close friend - if they have a famine - then I would say its our problem. We only feed North Koreans because their govt is blackmailing us and threatening our ally. Otherwise, why are the citizens of a crazy paranoid stalinist state on the other side of the globe our concern?


Your country created the divide between North and South but suddenly it's not your problem? You created the atmosphere allowing a military dictatorship in charge of the North. Be a man and fix your mistakes. Don't act like it wasn't your fault.


The Americans didn't create the divide, the North Koreans did when they split off and formed their own Communist state, invaded South Korea, and then agreed to an uneasy truce.

Stop listening to the Kim dynasty's lies.
2012-05-29 01:07:04 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Peanut: mongbiohazard: Joe Peanut: And a groups of Americans would blend in so well in rural BK.....


I'm pretty sure Americans would feel right at home in a rural Burger King. ;)

B is for Best. ;-)

Joe Peanut: And a groups of Americans would blend in so well in rural BK.....


Hmmm you do realize that there are plenty of Asian Americans in the US military right? .... or are you just making your usual stereotype where American = white only?
2012-05-29 12:54:49 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Peanut: And a groups of Americans would blend in so well in rural BK.....


Have you walked into your local liquor store or donut shop lately?
2012-05-29 12:53:57 PM  
1 votes:

intelligent comment below: xaldin: Meh don't honestly give a damn about the people.


You sound like a really nice caring loving person.


Not everybody is our concern. Our house isn't in order. They can starve until we have our act together for all many of us care.
2012-05-29 12:31:47 PM  
1 votes:
Anyways, I sincerely hope that they did parachute in. N. Korea really needs to be taken down. There are people dying from starvation, disease, and torture every single day. It needs to go away.

It is, to say the least, not our problem. They have no resources that we need, they are not actively attempting any hostile takeovers of neighboring countries, and they are not doing anything to directly harm Americans. In short, the problem is entirely "over there" and we are way "over here." Consequently, I think that if the North Koreans want a better life, they need to arm themselves with pitchforks and whatever else they can find and go pick a fight. The last thing we need right now is another war.
2012-05-29 12:20:02 PM  
1 votes:
Leak my foot. Now BK resources are being expended in Chinese fire drill fashion to find all the phantom westerners. Hyena laughs can be heard in the pentagon passageways. International jokes and leg pulling can be costly.
2012-05-29 12:19:19 PM  
1 votes:
If anyone is genuinely surprised that this would be happening:

/slap
//double slap
2012-05-29 12:16:48 PM  
1 votes:

kryphon: [www.filmoa.com image 640x360]
"We're gonna have to wingsuit in. It's the only way to get cose."
/hot


Heh, I just watched that over the weekend. Still lots of fun.

Anyways, I sincerely hope that they did parachute in. N. Korea really needs to be taken down. There are people dying from starvation, disease, and torture every single day. It needs to go away.
2012-05-29 12:13:57 PM  
1 votes:
I would be surprised if south Korea hasn't done soundings and readings with ground-penetrating radar to ferret out most of the tunnels. They likely have a sensor network sensitive enough to detect the changing of the guard in Panmunjom.
2012-05-29 12:07:30 PM  
1 votes:
What the General MEANT to say is that the US has NOT been parachuting Special Forces into North Korea to perform special reconnaissance -At least not anymore, thanks a lot, Gen Bigmouth
 
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