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(The Advocate)   DC's new gay character will most likely be the Golden Age Green Lantern. Well, now we know why his weakness has always been wood   (advocate.com ) divider line
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2012-05-29 11:37:21 AM  
4 votes:

Dinobot: Wait, they're retconning his daughter Jade?


Because you can't come out after having kids?
2012-05-29 12:48:19 PM  
2 votes:
This thread reminds me why I thought the only good thing to come from the New 52 was that they finally changed Power Girl's costume for the better.

Most girls who cosplay as Power Girl probably don't know the first thing about Power Girl, except that she has boobs. They say "Hey, I have boobs! And showing them off so nerds will fawn over me is the whole point of cosplay! I'll be Power Girl!"

The only problem: They always forget Power Girl has boobs AND muscles.

Nothing wrong with playing dress-up... But at least do it because you actually like the chacter; Not because it's the easiest way to justify showing off some skin.
2012-05-29 11:43:47 AM  
2 votes:

9beers: Why not just go with the obvious choice, Robin?


No. Robin was just a victim.
2012-05-29 09:36:35 PM  
1 vote:
Now that the future is here to the point ot the 4th presidential election of the 2000s,

* I can understand and easily accept an African-American being president, especially as he was raised "white".

* I don't give a damn that the premier rapper is white, because there was no rap growing up.

* I'm not surprised that there are no flying cars like the Jetsons had.

* But I never thought I would see the day that Spiderman and Marvel would reign supreme over DC. Marvel was always "Brand X" back then.

/More power to you, Stan Lee.
2012-05-29 05:10:59 PM  
1 vote:

Rwa2play: FirstNationalBastard: Rwa2play: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: The reboot didn't retain readers. Sales are pretty much back to where they were. People aren't buying the shiat they're selling. They're having to rely on cheap stunts more and more just to get one month's worth of decent sales.

Yup, except for the part where they're selling more. March sales 2011 vs 2012, DC is up about 30%.

537,000 to 866,000.

People ARE buying their books. Go be old and bitter somewhere else.

Source? If you're going to put a number out there, at least link to it so that no one calls it BS.

Probably the sales numbers over at The Beat

LOL! FTW:: In March 2012, six months into the "New 52" relaunch of the publisher's comic-book line, sales are mostly back to normal for DC Comics.

I'm sorry, but you would want staying power for at least 10 months worth, not just 6 months.


Practically every title listed there is selling well above last year's numbers.

And no that wasn't my source, this was.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html

Crabby guy claimed "people aren't buying, sales are back to where there were", the numbers say differently.

Of course, now he's moving the goalposts.
2012-05-29 04:56:42 PM  
1 vote:

kid_icarus: Lodger: Doesn't the arbitrary turning a pre-existing character gay somehow reinforce the "being gay is a choice" mentality? DC is just saying "BAM! This long-lived character who has always been presented as straight is now gay." This isn't a case of coming out of the closet, it's a fundamental difference in the character. I would think this actually hurts the acceptance of homosexuality in our culture, that there can be a flip-flopping of a lifestyle.

(I also never understood how a character is supposed to be presented as gay every issue without it seeming forced. If that's the selling point then it has to be referenced all the time).

Actually, about the only superhero from the old days who didn't seem like a closet case was Aquaman (one of the first comic characters to get hitched).
They almost always had beautiful women throwing themselves at them (Lois Lane, Lana Lang, Catwoman, Batwoman), and either nervously rebuffed their advances or feigned interest and kept them at arms length. And yeah, I know...the real reason for that is because it was a simpler time and the target audience was younger. Boys don't want to read about their action heroes having romances, they want action & adventure. It's just funny that doing that made the heroes look (from an adults perspective) like a bunch of closeted gay guys.


The X-Men movies in particular are TOTALLY metaphorical homosexuality.

Look at it... "we were BORN different, but people wouldn't understand... there are even politicians who blame us for society's problems, even though we're not inherently a problem and didn't choose to be this way. So we stay in the closet, hidden, except to each other. Then gallivant around in FAAABULOUS costumes to show off in public."

X-Men First Class took the script of some everyone's-gay-here teen drama and just reassigned the roles to superheroes. That's all they did. If you don't believe me, rewatch it with that in mind.
2012-05-29 04:55:10 PM  
1 vote:

JoeJitsu: kid_icarus:
They almost always had beautiful women throwing themselves at them (Lois Lane, Lana Lang, Catwoman, Batwoman), and either nervously rebuffed their advances or feigned interest and kept them at arms length.

And as it turned out Batwoman was gay, which is why Batman is the World's Greatest Detective. He knew it before she did.


Actually, the new Batwoman is the previous Batwoman's niece. They are distinct and both canon. The new Batwoman is amazing.
2012-05-29 04:30:40 PM  
1 vote:

Lodger: Wayne 985: Lodger: Doesn't the arbitrary turning a pre-existing character gay somehow reinforce the "being gay is a choice" mentality?

(I also never understood how a character is supposed to be presented as gay every issue without it seeming forced. If that's the selling point then it has to be referenced all the time).

Why wouldn't it just be presented naturally? Superman had Lois Lane and that was enough to tell us he's straight.

Don't think Superman is a good comparison - might as well say the same about Captain Kirk.

I think that - for better or worse - audiences tend to use "straight" as a default orientation for fictional characters. You can argue that this is wrong, but we have to start somewhere.

If DC is really saying "We're turning Green Lantern Gay" I expect that they'll have to live up to that proclamation in every issue, or be accused of not fulfilling a promise. When this has happened before the writers had to make the person gay all the time. There was some detective in Superman years ago that "came out" to everyone in issue after issue - "You're just angry with me because I'm a lesbian!" It simply doesn't play out the same way.

Even then, how could the gay community embrace this change? From 1950-whatever until 2012 Green Lantern was straight, along with all this history, but starting this year he's going to be gay. What type of legacy can a new gay Green Lantern have?


A Legacy of shoehorned in sexuality and the stench of desperation from a company that desperately strives to be relevant in their death throes?

/I'm guessing the detective in Superman was Maggie Sawyer, who eventually went on to Gotham and was a part of the wonderful Gotham Central series.
//What shoehorning in a last minute sexuality change "is this because I'm a lesbian" moment may look like:

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2012-05-29 02:42:09 PM  
1 vote:

SweetSilverBlues:
To me, lesbians don't count. It was a ploy to ramp up the bow chika bow factor.


It seems you are completely right. When I was reading the, "OMG we're gonna reveal a main character to be gay!" All I could think is, "uh, you did that already - Batwoman is gay. Or are you saying you are going to reveal a character who has never BEEN gay before is NOW gay in the rebooted continuity of borkdome you have created?"

Heck, DC doesn't even know what it is doing anymore. Just keep making the Batwoman, Batgirl and WonderWoman comics that are out right now - and leave me alone. I could care less about Batman and his whiny kid, Superman and his whiny friends or the Green-who-cares-a-lot. Okay, Aquaman is cool. The rest can shove off.
2012-05-29 02:38:14 PM  
1 vote:

ZeroCorpse: This thread reminds me why I thought the only good thing to come from the New 52 was that they finally changed Power Girl's costume for the better.

Most girls who cosplay as Power Girl probably don't know the first thing about Power Girl, except that she has boobs. They say "Hey, I have boobs! And showing them off so nerds will fawn over me is the whole point of cosplay! I'll be Power Girl!"

The only problem: They always forget Power Girl has boobs AND muscles.

Nothing wrong with playing dress-up... But at least do it because you actually like the chacter; Not because it's the easiest way to justify showing off some skin.


Spoken like a true nerd who thinks it's easy for real women to be exactly like comic or anime women and get upset because the women who deign to cosplay aren't carbon copies of fictional women.
2012-05-29 02:09:36 PM  
1 vote:

Lodger: Doesn't the arbitrary turning a pre-existing character


If it is Alan Scott that is gay, then it won't be presented as him being suddenly gay after all these years. DC did another reboot of all its storylines recently.

At least in mainstream superhero books, these were the only gay guys that mattered
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2012-05-29 02:02:46 PM  
1 vote:

ZeroCorpse: This thread reminds me why I thought the only good thing to come from the New 52 was that they finally changed Power Girl's costume for the better.

Most girls who cosplay as Power Girl probably don't know the first thing about Power Girl, except that she has boobs. They say "Hey, I have boobs! And showing them off so nerds will fawn over me is the whole point of cosplay! I'll be Power Girl!"

The only problem: They always forget Power Girl has boobs AND muscles.

Nothing wrong with playing dress-up... But at least do it because you actually like the chacter; Not because it's the easiest way to justify showing off some skin.


Yeah, 'cuz every other superhero cosplayer out there is so much more authentic. At least the Power Girl cosplayers are getting 50% correct.
2012-05-29 01:43:33 PM  
1 vote:

FirstNationalBastard: zarberg: Wait ... subby's implying there's something wrong with being gay?!?

No, subby is implying that there's something wrong with creatively bankrupt comic book companies that have to go for the shock value of rebooting and retconning a character for a one month sales spike instead of just creating a new character to fulfill their "ZOMG ARCHIE AND MARVEL ARE GETTING PRESS FOR BEING GAY FRIENDLY WE NEED TO PULL A STUNT TO GET OUR DYING COMPANY BACK IN THE MEDIA FOR FIVE MINUTES!!!1" needs.


Yes, James Robinson had to be coerced into writing a gay character. It's not like it is his hobby or anything.
2012-05-29 01:17:27 PM  
1 vote:

zarberg: Wait ... subby's implying there's something wrong with being gay?!?


No, subby is implying that there's something wrong with creatively bankrupt comic book companies that have to go for the shock value of rebooting and retconning a character for a one month sales spike instead of just creating a new character to fulfill their "ZOMG ARCHIE AND MARVEL ARE GETTING PRESS FOR BEING GAY FRIENDLY WE NEED TO PULL A STUNT TO GET OUR DYING COMPANY BACK IN THE MEDIA FOR FIVE MINUTES!!!1" needs.
2012-05-29 12:56:09 PM  
1 vote:

ZeroCorpse: SweetSilverBlues: Or they could, bear with me this is a shocking concept, come up with a great new character who's gay from the get-go.

Marvel does that all the time.

DC seems to be stuck in a rut. They can't make new characters worth a damn, and so they keep re-inventing their old characters in hopes that one of the new styles/backgrounds/costumes/lifestyle choices will stick.

But then, what do you expect from a comic book company who-- knowing full well that Rob Liefeld and Jim Lee haven't improved over the past two decades-- hires the two worst artists in the business to be in on the redesign of DC's characters.


Yup. Check out Avengers Academy. One of the best new series of the last several years. They have two gay characters in there. Striker, an electricity manipulator, admitted that he was gay a few issues back. One thing that helped him come out of the closet was Lightspeed, one of the Power Pack girls all grown up.

Also, Karolina from the Runaways has been gay from the start. She's in a relationship with a Skrull that takes the form of a hot Earth chick.
2012-05-29 12:51:27 PM  
1 vote:

SweetSilverBlues: Or they could, bear with me this is a shocking concept, come up with a great new character who's gay from the get-go.


Marvel does that all the time.

DC seems to be stuck in a rut. They can't make new characters worth a damn, and so they keep re-inventing their old characters in hopes that one of the new styles/backgrounds/costumes/lifestyle choices will stick.

But then, what do you expect from a comic book company who-- knowing full well that Rob Liefeld and Jim Lee haven't improved over the past two decades-- hires the two worst artists in the business to be in on the redesign of DC's characters.
2012-05-29 12:34:06 PM  
1 vote:
Or they could, bear with me this is a shocking concept, come up with a great new character who's gay from the get-go.

The comic industry has had compelling storylines based on the troubles of racism, alcoholism, spousal abuse, and more. Why can't they take gay discrimination just as seriously without using one-dimensional disposable characters?

To me, lesbians don't count. It was a ploy to ramp up the bow chika bow factor. Just as obvious as Power Girl's laracroftism.

Tired of the retconning, reboots, and reimaginings.
2012-05-29 12:16:38 PM  
1 vote:

HAMMERTOE: All that political maneuvering to detach homosexuality from pedophilia is a waste of time if you're going to keep trying to put the issue directly in children's faces. All you're doing is giving the X-tians more ammo and the smug, self-serving rationalization to use it.


Comics aren't just for kids, and most pedo's identify as heterosexual.
2012-05-29 12:13:01 PM  
1 vote:

Valiente: TravisBickle62: I thought the deal with superheroes is they never get to fark anyone, male or female. They don't even get to masturbate.

Never mind that. Where does Supes drop a deuce? Most toilets are going to shatter down to the bedrock when assaulted with a Kryptonian grogan, and the sonic boom won't help, either.


Maybe he just flies into space and fires one in the opposite direction of earth.
2012-05-29 11:48:38 AM  
1 vote:

ongbok: So is his weakness going to be fish?


Fish sticks
2012-05-29 11:40:33 AM  
1 vote:
Why not just go with the obvious choice, Robin?
2012-05-29 11:40:19 AM  
1 vote:
i.imgur.com

"A challenger appears."
2012-05-29 10:57:32 AM  
1 vote:
1) great farking headline
2) Why can't they create a new charter and make him gay?
3)

ManateeGag: yes, she can't get enough of it.


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I hear her and Terra are a couple now
2012-05-29 06:40:56 AM  
1 vote:
Well, the good news is that the worst thing to happen to the JSA is no longer Mike Carlin ordering their series canceled and for them all to be killed off because they were "too old".

Didio and Johns: Just when you think they've hit rock bottom, they tunnel even further.
 
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