The Stealth Hippopotamus: 1) great farking headline
2) Why can't they create a new charter and make him gay?
3)ManateeGag: yes, she can't get enough of it.

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I hear her and Terra are a couple now

I was hoping for the new superhero "Dynamic Dyke" but she only has her super powers in the closet.

Wonder Woman would have been another obvious choice. No way you can grow up on an island full of women and not go lesbo.

HAMMERTOE: Antimatter: Comics aren't just for kids, and most pedo's identify as heterosexual.

You KNOW what I mean. So, now they're going to start clamoring for comics to have warning labels, and Walmart will stop carrying them. Next thing you know, they're only available in adult bookstores, and with the porn mags at the newsstands. Then what happens to the genre?

Wal-Mart carries comics?

Treygreen13: Valiente: TravisBickle62: I thought the deal with superheroes is they never get to fark anyone, male or female. They don't even get to masturbate.

Never mind that. Where does Supes drop a deuce? Most toilets are going to shatter down to the bedrock when assaulted with a Kryptonian grogan, and the sonic boom won't help, either.

Maybe he just flies into space and fires one in the opposite direction of earth.

Doesn't he have to hold his breath now?

SUPERPROLAPSE!

No wonder Darkseid gets annoyed whipping out the Omega Beam to deal with incoming hypersonic space turds.

Parthenogenetic: Valiente: TravisBickle62: I thought the deal with superheroes is they never get to fark anyone, male or female. They don't even get to masturbate.

Never mind that. Where does Supes drop a deuce? Most toilets are going to shatter down to the bedrock when assaulted with a Kryptonian grogan, and the sonic boom won't help, either.

He just uses a toilet.

He's already mastered holding back his super-strength so that Clark Kent doesn't destroy doors, drinking glasses, eating utensils, etc. in day to day life.

Shoot, the Hulk takes a crap in a toilet just like you and me, and he's not nearly as disciplined as Supes.

And Hulk's crap is the strongest there is.

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One wonders if he even bothers to drop trou, or just erupts. HULK SMASH PUNY PLUMBING.

The morning after Taco Night at Avengers HQ must be awesome. "You won't like me when my colon's angry".

ZeroCorpse: SweetSilverBlues: Or they could, bear with me this is a shocking concept, come up with a great new character who's gay from the get-go.

Marvel does that all the time.

DC seems to be stuck in a rut. They can't make new characters worth a damn, and so they keep re-inventing their old characters in hopes that one of the new styles/backgrounds/costumes/lifestyle choices will stick.

But then, what do you expect from a comic book company who-- knowing full well that Rob Liefeld and Jim Lee haven't improved over the past two decades-- hires the two worst artists in the business to be in on the redesign of DC's characters.

Yup. Check out Avengers Academy. One of the best new series of the last several years. They have two gay characters in there. Striker, an electricity manipulator, admitted that he was gay a few issues back. One thing that helped him come out of the closet was Lightspeed, one of the Power Pack girls all grown up.

Also, Karolina from the Runaways has been gay from the start. She's in a relationship with a Skrull that takes the form of a hot Earth chick.

So in order to make a superhero "more" human he/she has to have some sort of flaw (e.g. Superman / kryptonite).

And in order for us to be able to relate to them further, they have to some sort of emotional trauma (e.g. Captain America / angst over death of Bucky that went on too long).

Then again, artists/writers change and bring different takes to the same character (because it's impossible to recreate the same look/feel of course...cough bullshiat cough...) and that prompts changes that vary from interesting to just plain stupid (e.g. kill off Peter Parker, replace him with someone who isn't a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant).

Oh but...because they don't want to lose readers, they introduce these flaws/traumas/modifications in different versions of the same superhero and then sell it as a totally different series.

And people wonder why I hate the new Star Trek and never got into comic books....

Yeah. Produce said "people", buddy.

Wait ... subby's implying there's something wrong with being gay?!?

Doesn't the arbitrary turning a pre-existing character gay somehow reinforce the "being gay is a choice" mentality? DC is just saying "BAM! This long-lived character who has always been presented as straight is now gay." This isn't a case of coming out of the closet, it's a fundamental difference in the character. I would think this actually hurts the acceptance of homosexuality in our culture, that there can be a flip-flopping of a lifestyle.

(I also never understood how a character is supposed to be presented as gay every issue without it seeming forced. If that's the selling point then it has to be referenced all the time).

They could possibly pull this off and make it interesting. Allan Scott would have lived through an era when there were much greater consequences for being gay (the McCarthy era). It might be interesting to see how someone with the power and anonymity of a superhero would deal with that situation.

the headline/article was even better when i submitted it yesterday.

/butthurt is appropriate here

ZeroCorpse: This thread reminds me why I thought the only good thing to come from the New 52 was that they finally changed Power Girl's costume for the better.

Most girls who cosplay as Power Girl probably don't know the first thing about Power Girl, except that she has boobs. They say "Hey, I have boobs! And showing them off so nerds will fawn over me is the whole point of cosplay! I'll be Power Girl!"

The only problem: They always forget Power Girl has boobs AND muscles.

Nothing wrong with playing dress-up... But at least do it because you actually like the chacter; Not because it's the easiest way to justify showing off some skin.

Shutup asswipe! I happen to enjoy viewing curvy chicks wearing skimpy superhero outfits. I don't care if it's totally true to character or not.

On a serious note though, why do they feel the need to announce a character as gay? Why not just release the character and have them be gay? The whole "Hey we're up to date on current societal issues! Here's some dudes kissing each other, and a few chicks making out. Buy this issue!" gets old after a while. The whole sexual orientation crap is getting tired.

I don't care if Green Arrow and Batman are lovers or some shiat. I don't care if Hulk is secretly a power bottom for Juggernaut, or if Poison Ivy throws on a plant-like strap-on with rose thorns and nails Harley Quinn till she bleeds out unless it's truly important to the story, which it usually isn't. The whole sexual orientation shiat in comics is just throwing a bone (pun intended) to the LBGT community hoping to drive up sales.

FirstNationalBastard: zarberg: Wait ... subby's implying there's something wrong with being gay?!?

No, subby is implying that there's something wrong with creatively bankrupt comic book companies that have to go for the shock value of rebooting and retconning a character for a one month sales spike instead of just creating a new character to fulfill their "ZOMG ARCHIE AND MARVEL ARE GETTING PRESS FOR BEING GAY FRIENDLY WE NEED TO PULL A STUNT TO GET OUR DYING COMPANY BACK IN THE MEDIA FOR FIVE MINUTES!!!1" needs.

Yes, James Robinson had to be coerced into writing a gay character. It's not like it is his hobby or anything.

Lodger: Doesn't the arbitrary turning a pre-existing character gay somehow reinforce the "being gay is a choice" mentality? DC is just saying "BAM! This long-lived character who has always been presented as straight is now gay." This isn't a case of coming out of the closet, it's a fundamental difference in the character. I would think this actually hurts the acceptance of homosexuality in our culture, that there can be a flip-flopping of a lifestyle.

(I also never understood how a character is supposed to be presented as gay every issue without it seeming forced. If that's the selling point then it has to be referenced all the time).

Actually, about the only superhero from the old days who didn't seem like a closet case was Aquaman (one of the first comic characters to get hitched).
They almost always had beautiful women throwing themselves at them (Lois Lane, Lana Lang, Catwoman, Batwoman), and either nervously rebuffed their advances or feigned interest and kept them at arms length. And yeah, I know...the real reason for that is because it was a simpler time and the target audience was younger. Boys don't want to read about their action heroes having romances, they want action & adventure. It's just funny that doing that made the heroes look (from an adults perspective) like a bunch of closeted gay guys.

I blame the boners.

ZeroCorpse: This thread reminds me why I thought the only good thing to come from the New 52 was that they finally changed Power Girl's costume for the better.

Most girls who cosplay as Power Girl probably don't know the first thing about Power Girl, except that she has boobs. They say "Hey, I have boobs! And showing them off so nerds will fawn over me is the whole point of cosplay! I'll be Power Girl!"

The only problem: They always forget Power Girl has boobs AND muscles.

Nothing wrong with playing dress-up... But at least do it because you actually like the chacter; Not because it's the easiest way to justify showing off some skin.

Yeah, 'cuz every other superhero cosplayer out there is so much more authentic. At least the Power Girl cosplayers are getting 50% correct.

kid_icarus:
They almost always had beautiful women throwing themselves at them (Lois Lane, Lana Lang, Catwoman, Batwoman), and either nervously rebuffed their advances or feigned interest and kept them at arms length.

And as it turned out Batwoman was gay, which is why Batman is the World's Greatest Detective. He knew it before she did.

Lodger: Doesn't the arbitrary turning a pre-existing character

If it is Alan Scott that is gay, then it won't be presented as him being suddenly gay after all these years. DC did another reboot of all its storylines recently.

At least in mainstream superhero books, these were the only gay guys that mattered

JoeJitsu: kid_icarus:
They almost always had beautiful women throwing themselves at them (Lois Lane, Lana Lang, Catwoman, Batwoman), and either nervously rebuffed their advances or feigned interest and kept them at arms length.

And as it turned out Batwoman was gay, which is why Batman is the World's Greatest Detective. He knew it before she did.

I'm not saying Batman is gay, but if you were going to try to make a case for one of DC's classic characters being a closet-case, you'd have the best shot with him. His rather...ambiguous relationship with all his Robins notwithstanding, he's also the only DC hero for whom no female love interest has ever stuck. Catwoman is the closest, although that could easily be written off as a closeted gay man using a woman he knows will always be at arms-length to throw people off the trail.

I am enjoying The New 52.

ZeroCorpse: This thread reminds me why I thought the only good thing to come from the New 52 was that they finally changed Power Girl's costume for the better.

Most girls who cosplay as Power Girl probably don't know the first thing about Power Girl, except that she has boobs. They say "Hey, I have boobs! And showing them off so nerds will fawn over me is the whole point of cosplay! I'll be Power Girl!"

The only problem: They always forget Power Girl has boobs AND muscles.

Nothing wrong with playing dress-up... But at least do it because you actually like the chacter; Not because it's the easiest way to justify showing off some skin.

Spoken like a true nerd who thinks it's easy for real women to be exactly like comic or anime women and get upset because the women who deign to cosplay aren't carbon copies of fictional women.

FirstNationalBastard: I'm sorry, he died and was replaced by a Skrull at some point in the mid-2000s.

/Only explanation for how someone could go from writing something as great as Starman to crap like Justice League: Cry For Justice or anything from NuDC.

It's the rule not the exception.

Alan Moore went from Watchmen to the excrement that is LXG 1969
Frank Miller from Dark Knight Returns to Holy Terror
Chris Claremont from X-Men to X-Men Forever.

SweetSilverBlues:
To me, lesbians don't count. It was a ploy to ramp up the bow chika bow factor.

It seems you are completely right. When I was reading the, "OMG we're gonna reveal a main character to be gay!" All I could think is, "uh, you did that already - Batwoman is gay. Or are you saying you are going to reveal a character who has never BEEN gay before is NOW gay in the rebooted continuity of borkdome you have created?"

Heck, DC doesn't even know what it is doing anymore. Just keep making the Batwoman, Batgirl and WonderWoman comics that are out right now - and leave me alone. I could care less about Batman and his whiny kid, Superman and his whiny friends or the Green-who-cares-a-lot. Okay, Aquaman is cool. The rest can shove off.

kid_icarus: JoeJitsu: kid_icarus:
They almost always had beautiful women throwing themselves at them (Lois Lane, Lana Lang, Catwoman, Batwoman), and either nervously rebuffed their advances or feigned interest and kept them at arms length.

And as it turned out Batwoman was gay, which is why Batman is the World's Greatest Detective. He knew it before she did.

I'm not saying Batman is gay, but if you were going to try to make a case for one of DC's classic characters being a closet-case, you'd have the best shot with him. His rather...ambiguous relationship with all his Robins notwithstanding, he's also the only DC hero for whom no female love interest has ever stuck. Catwoman is the closest, although that could easily be written off as a closeted gay man using a woman he knows will always be at arms-length to throw people off the trail.

What about Talia al Ghul? She and Bats have gotten together on more than one occasion and I don't think they spent the time discussing whether the new drapes clashed with the Lazarus Pit.

ZeroCorpse: This thread reminds me why I thought the only good thing to come from the New 52 was that they finally changed Power Girl's costume for the better.

Most girls who cosplay as Power Girl probably don't know the first thing about Power Girl, except that she has boobs. They say "Hey, I have boobs! And showing them off so nerds will fawn over me is the whole point of cosplay! I'll be Power Girl!"

The only problem: They always forget Power Girl has boobs AND muscles.

Nothing wrong with playing dress-up... But at least do it because you actually like the chacter; Not because it's the easiest way to justify showing off some skin.

I always want to like Power Girl because she was actually an interesting character in the DC Animated Universe. In that one she was a lab-grown clone whose purpose was to protect humanity from the supers getting out of control. As a result she was an anti-villain, she had the standard Cloning Blues, and she was an effective foil to the Dr. Scientist Man who kinda-sorta raised her.

Unfortunately none of that shiat applies to Power Girl.

Lodger: Doesn't the arbitrary turning a pre-existing character gay somehow reinforce the "being gay is a choice" mentality? DC is just saying "BAM! This long-lived character who has always been presented as straight is now gay." This isn't a case of coming out of the closet, it's a fundamental difference in the character. I would think this actually hurts the acceptance of homosexuality in our culture, that there can be a flip-flopping of a lifestyle.

(I also never understood how a character is supposed to be presented as gay every issue without it seeming forced. If that's the selling point then it has to be referenced all the time).

Why wouldn't it just be presented naturally? Superman had Lois Lane and that was enough to tell us he's straight.

kid_icarus: JoeJitsu: kid_icarus:
They almost always had beautiful women throwing themselves at them (Lois Lane, Lana Lang, Catwoman, Batwoman), and either nervously rebuffed their advances or feigned interest and kept them at arms length.

And as it turned out Batwoman was gay, which is why Batman is the World's Greatest Detective. He knew it before she did.

I'm not saying Batman is gay, but if you were going to try to make a case for one of DC's classic characters being a closet-case, you'd have the best shot with him. His rather...ambiguous relationship with all his Robins notwithstanding, he's also the only DC hero for whom no female love interest has ever stuck. Catwoman is the closest, although that could easily be written off as a closeted gay man using a woman he knows will always be at arms-length to throw people off the trail.



Would've made a fine Catbeard.

Person: HAMMERTOE: Antimatter: Comics aren't just for kids, and most pedo's identify as heterosexual.

You KNOW what I mean. So, now they're going to start clamoring for comics to have warning labels, and Walmart will stop carrying them. Next thing you know, they're only available in adult bookstores, and with the porn mags at the newsstands. Then what happens to the genre?

Wal-Mart carries comics?

Wal-Mart has customers that can read?

ZeroCorpse: This thread reminds me why I thought the only good thing to come from the New 52 was that they finally changed Power Girl's costume for the better.

Most girls who cosplay as Power Girl probably don't know the first thing about Power Girl, except that she has boobs. They say "Hey, I have boobs! And showing them off so nerds will fawn over me is the whole point of cosplay! I'll be Power Girl!"

The only problem: They always forget Power Girl has boobs AND muscles.

Nothing wrong with playing dress-up... But at least do it because you actually like the chacter; Not because it's the easiest way to justify showing off some skin.



I'm failing to see an actual problem here.

/link is hawt

Let's see... if they did this to Batman or Superman the fan outrage would be more catastrophic than helpful.

Wonder Woman wouldn't really create more than a shrug. Not enough attention.

So they had to go with a character that was just popular enough and one they're certain won't see another movie for a very long time if ever... Green Lantern.

ZeroCorpse: Most girls who cosplay as Power Girl probably don't know the first thing about Power Girl, except that she has boobs. They say "Hey, I have boobs! And showing them off so nerds will fawn over me is the whole point of cosplay! I'll be Power Girl!"

Because cosplay's never been about hot-ish girls with questionable self esteem dressing slutty. It's about the integrity of the character.

Do you get mad on halloween when the girl dressed as a maid is wearing a skirt that would be completely impractical to scrub a floorboard in? Not carrying enough pledge to get the job done? Doesn't know the first thing about getting stubborn stains out?

Somebody go get me a jpg of Rogen and Rudd playing video games.

Wayne 985: Lodger: Doesn't the arbitrary turning a pre-existing character gay somehow reinforce the "being gay is a choice" mentality?

(I also never understood how a character is supposed to be presented as gay every issue without it seeming forced. If that's the selling point then it has to be referenced all the time).

Why wouldn't it just be presented naturally? Superman had Lois Lane and that was enough to tell us he's straight.

Don't think Superman is a good comparison - might as well say the same about Captain Kirk.

I think that - for better or worse - audiences tend to use "straight" as a default orientation for fictional characters. You can argue that this is wrong, but we have to start somewhere.

If DC is really saying "We're turning Green Lantern Gay" I expect that they'll have to live up to that proclamation in every issue, or be accused of not fulfilling a promise. When this has happened before the writers had to make the person gay all the time. There was some detective in Superman years ago that "came out" to everyone in issue after issue - "You're just angry with me because I'm a lesbian!" It simply doesn't play out the same way.

Even then, how could the gay community embrace this change? From 1950-whatever until 2012 Green Lantern was straight, along with all this history, but starting this year he's going to be gay. What type of legacy can a new gay Green Lantern have?