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(Forbes)   60% of Germans want to watch the European economy burn to the ground. You know who else liked to watch Europe burn?   (forbes.com) divider line 132
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2012-05-28 10:13:07 AM  
Yes. It was the Germans, I believe.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-05-28 10:15:50 AM  
You know who else liked to watch Europe burn?

Arthur "Bomber" Harris
 
2012-05-28 10:16:03 AM  
I have relied on Google Translate to render the findings into English.

Really? You needed to translate Lebensraum?

It was probably a poll on Scheisse videos. 60% sounds about right.
 
2012-05-28 12:02:07 PM  
Caligula?
 
2012-05-28 03:11:48 PM  
The Visigoths? The Huns?
 
2012-05-28 03:47:25 PM  
Europeans for the past two thousand years?
 
2012-05-28 04:40:28 PM  
*insert pic of Heath Ledger's Joker*

"Some people just want to watch the world burn."
 
2012-05-28 04:44:31 PM  
Germany can't recognize that a solution has to include what the Greek popular opinion. They'd much rather just roar and demand that everyone do what they want, and that won't work. You can't demand the people impoverish themselves while the rich get away without seeing anything happen to them, and expect people to not be mad about that. Well, in Europe anyway. People here aren't smart enough to recognize that, which is why people like Austerity still for some utterly unfathomable reason.
 
2012-05-28 04:49:41 PM  

ZAZ: You know who else liked to watch Europe burn?

Arthur "Bomber" Harris


Your answer is much better than mine.
 
2012-05-28 05:05:37 PM  

GAT_00: Germany can't recognize that a solution has to include what the Greek popular opinion. They'd much rather just roar and demand that everyone do what they want, and that won't work. You can't demand the people impoverish themselves while the rich get away without seeing anything happen to them, and expect people to not be mad about that. Well, in Europe anyway. People here aren't smart enough to recognize that, which is why people like Austerity still for some utterly unfathomable reason.


I think they'd be much more amenable if the Greeks agreed to do things like adopt the same retirement age and pay the same level of taxes as they do in Germany.
 
2012-05-28 05:58:17 PM  
Julius Caesar?
Attila the Hun?
Xerxes?
 
2012-05-28 06:12:18 PM  

Thoguh: GAT_00: Germany can't recognize that a solution has to include what the Greek popular opinion. They'd much rather just roar and demand that everyone do what they want, and that won't work. You can't demand the people impoverish themselves while the rich get away without seeing anything happen to them, and expect people to not be mad about that. Well, in Europe anyway. People here aren't smart enough to recognize that, which is why people like Austerity still for some utterly unfathomable reason.

I think they'd be much more amenable if the Greeks agreed to do things like adopt the same retirement age and pay the same level of taxes as they do in Germany.


Large parts of Europe have unsustainable lifestyles (when they can't monetize their debts). Greece was just the first to hit. It seems that they are being made an example so that when Spain, Ireland and Italy begin to fail they won't be saying: "but you helped Greece".
 
2012-05-28 07:04:08 PM  
Nero?
 
2012-05-28 07:06:09 PM  
Genghis Khan?
 
2012-05-28 07:06:32 PM  
This is how Socialism always ends.
 
2012-05-28 07:08:42 PM  

Nemo's Brother: This is how Socialism always ends.


With the well run socialist countries telling the poorly run socialist countries to fudge off?
 
2012-05-28 07:16:28 PM  
Greece is good at burning money. They will continue to burn money as long as they can get away with it.

They've long since burned all their own money. If given a chance they will successfully burn all of Europe's money as well.
 
2012-05-28 07:29:36 PM  

GAT_00: Germany can't recognize that a solution has to include what the Greek popular opinion. They'd much rather just roar and demand that everyone do what they want, and that won't work. You can't demand the people impoverish themselves while the rich get away without seeing anything happen to them, and expect people to not be mad about that. Well, in Europe anyway. People here aren't smart enough to recognize that, which is why people like Austerity still for some utterly unfathomable reason.


Yet the Greek solution, which is essentially to change nothing, won't work either.

The fact is, there is a single currency trying to work for way too many diverse economies and cultures, resulting in monetary policy that cannot possibly for everyonbe. This is what people kept saying when the Euro was proposed, and it has come to pass.
 
2012-05-28 07:37:06 PM  
Is that why they like vacationing to Greece -- to get a better view of the collapse of the euro?
 
2012-05-28 07:37:11 PM  
One would think most Greeks would also be in favor of leaving the Eurozone as well. This would enable them to inflate their currency and end the crisis in their land. This would also spur an influx of tourists hoping to capitalize on newly cheapened Greek vacations. I wonder what a Greek poll would show. Perhaps some would be opposed out of pride (of not wanting to be kicked out of the economic union). Some would be opposed because their international spending would be limited. But it's the most sensible solution for Greece (and Portugal, and Spain...)
 
2012-05-28 07:39:44 PM  
I know one person who definitely didn't like seeing Europe burning:

www.nndb.com

/so it goes
 
2012-05-28 07:41:21 PM  

GAT_00: Germany can't recognize that a solution has to include what the Greek popular opinion. They'd much rather just roar and demand that everyone do what they want, and that won't work. You can't demand the people impoverish themselves while the rich get away without seeing anything happen to them, and expect people to not be mad about that. Well, in Europe anyway. People here aren't smart enough to recognize that, which is why people like Austerity still for some utterly unfathomable reason.


Yes. Clearly more uncontrolled borrowing and spending is the answer. Not like that got them in this situation.
 
2012-05-28 07:42:14 PM  

GAT_00: Germany can't recognize that a solution has to include what the Greek popular opinion. They'd much rather just roar and demand that everyone do what they want, and that won't work. You can't demand the people impoverish themselves while the rich get away without seeing anything happen to them, and expect people to not be mad about that. Well, in Europe anyway. People here aren't smart enough to recognize that, which is why people like Austerity still for some utterly unfathomable reason.


Exactly what other options do the Greeks have?

They can take the pain of austerity, which involves significant cutbacks to what they've become accustomed to. Reforms to their existing system will be necessary to get on a sustainable path.

They can tell their creditors to go to hell. This immediately removes the interest on their debt, but still leaves them with greater outlays than income. As effectively no one will loan them cash, they'll have to either leave the Euro and honor agreements in a devalued currency, or renegotiate pretty much every contract and agreement. Result: effectively the same as #1, except even *more* painful. And with negative effects on anyone who loaned them cash in the past.

They can threaten Option #2, hoping to get better terms for Option #1 - but at the end of the day they're pretty much going to be up a creek until revenues and outlays come into sync, and the German voters aren't going to subsidize benefits superior to those they enjoy themselves forever.

And I have a real hard time seeing why they *should*.

Of course, this is the exaxt boat the US is in now, except it hasn't gotten painful enough to motivate real reform. When it *does* get to that point, it's going to be ugly
 
2012-05-28 07:45:23 PM  
It's nice to see Germany strutting her stuff these days. It's the natural order of things and I'm glad to see it returned in my lifetime.

And I think Hitler would have been content not to burn all of Europe to the ground, had he gotten his way at every turn in the first place. Instead, he was rebuked and war was declared against Germany.

The "war is not the answer" folks can point right to that declaration and the incredible destruction that followed as a clear warning against entering into future conflicts.
 
2012-05-28 07:47:43 PM  

GAT_00: Germany can't recognize that a solution has to include what the Greek popular opinion. They'd much rather just roar and demand that everyone do what they want, and that won't work.


Ach wirklich?
Vee vill zee, vont vee?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-05-28 07:58:40 PM  
If I was German I'd be so pissed.

The Eurobond is the worst idea ever for Germany
 
2012-05-28 08:00:24 PM  
They'll be happy until they realize they've got nobody to sell their stuff to.
 
2012-05-28 08:04:14 PM  
Dear Germany,
We prop up Alabama and Mississippi, so suck it up.

/Iceland's the only one to have done it right
 
2012-05-28 08:13:15 PM  
The Visigoths?
 
2012-05-28 08:13:33 PM  

SoCalSurfer: If I was German I'd be so pissed.

The Eurobond is the worst idea ever for Germany


It's such a blatant attempt to get Germany to pay these failing economies' debts I'm shocks that anybody thought Germany would agree to it.
 
2012-05-28 08:21:40 PM  
It amazes me that the Germans never learned the lessons of the treaty of Versailles. Like forcing poor countries to pay their debts when they barely have enough to live on generally leads to worse things.
 
2012-05-28 08:33:55 PM  
Oceania
Eastasia
 
2012-05-28 08:39:59 PM  
It not like Greece borrowed from the Teacher's retirement fund, the little kid's lemonade stand, and the association of naive old grandmas.
Greece borrowed from international bankers and currency traders.
In other words, Greece borrowed from people that pull the strings of government and manipulate public opinion with fake news and fake outrage.
You know what? fark them.
Yes you need to fix the problem but don't pay those debts.
Default on their asses.
The sun will still rise tomorrow.
... and if you don't become slaves to the interest it will be both easier to fix the problem and easier to find new investors suckers
 
2012-05-28 08:43:41 PM  
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy
 
2012-05-28 08:45:29 PM  
Greece is like Julian from Less than Zero, living an entirely unsustainable lifestyle, but charming enough and willing to do just enough to keep that lifestyle going just a little while longer.

Unfortunately, it may be too late for Europe to right the ship, even if Greece leaves and given the likely timing of this all to come to a head, this does not bode well for the Olympics being held in London later this summer.
 
2012-05-28 09:06:30 PM  

b2theory: Thoguh: GAT_00: Germany can't recognize that a solution has to include what the Greek popular opinion. They'd much rather just roar and demand that everyone do what they want, and that won't work. You can't demand the people impoverish themselves while the rich get away without seeing anything happen to them, and expect people to not be mad about that. Well, in Europe anyway. People here aren't smart enough to recognize that, which is why people like Austerity still for some utterly unfathomable reason.

I think they'd be much more amenable if the Greeks agreed to do things like adopt the same retirement age and pay the same level of taxes as they do in Germany.

Large parts of Europe have unsustainable lifestyles (when they can't monetize their debts). Greece was just the first to hit. It seems that they are being made an example so that when Spain, Ireland and Italy begin to fail they won't be saying: "but you helped Greece".


Greece has ridiculous taxes because no one pays them. Tax evasion is an art form, and not frowned upon by anyone really. You had businesses and individuals reporting too little income to even afford their rent (even with assistance) much less food or other essentials.
 
2012-05-28 09:14:36 PM  

ZAZ: You know who else liked to watch Europe burn?

Arthur "Bomber" Harris


I think eventually he decided Berlin needed to burn, the hell with the rest of Germany. I wouldn't have wanted to live in Hamburg when Bomber Harris came visiting.

The Bombing of Germany on Netflix done by PBS is an excellent documentary on American military thinking. To see the arc the US military took from before the war to Nagasaki is fascinating.
 
2012-05-28 09:25:43 PM  

GAT_00: Germany can't recognize that a solution has to include what the Greek popular opinion. They'd much rather just roar and demand that everyone do what they want, and that won't work. You can't demand the people impoverish themselves while the rich get away without seeing anything happen to them, and expect people to not be mad about that. Well, in Europe anyway. People here aren't smart enough to recognize that, which is why people like Austerity still for some utterly unfathomable reason.


Germany has lived within its means for decades. It's unfair and childish to expect that they will now smear the benefit of that out evenly across the entire Eurozone. They had dampened lifestyles during the boom times. They have earned the right to have a more modest recession than the rest of us. Greece is a spoiled brat that wants to eat its cake and have it too.
 
2012-05-28 09:34:46 PM  

germ78: It amazes me that the Germans never learned the lessons of the treaty of Versailles. Like forcing poor countries to pay their debts when they barely have enough to live on generally leads to worse things.


The difference is that when Greece elects the nazis, they're not going to invade Germany. Or Turkey, they'd kick their asses.

Maybe they can attack Albania, Macedonia (that would probably piss of Serbia, maybe that would suck) or Bulgaria.
 
2012-05-28 10:02:32 PM  
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2012-05-28 04:44:31 PM


Germany can't recognize that a solution has to include what the Greek popular opinion. They'd much rather just roar and demand that everyone do what they want, and that won't work. You can't demand the people impoverish themselves while the rich get away without seeing anything happen to them, and expect people to not be mad about that. Well, in Europe anyway. People here aren't smart enough to recognize that, which is why people like Austerity still for some utterly unfathomable reason.


Well, if Greece doesn't like the conditions, they could always stop begging for more loans..Funny thing is, people/countries that loan money, generally like to get their money back. How many bailouts has Greece had so far? Sooner or later, you have to stop giving money to your drug addicted son, b/c nothing is going to change until he is forced to change.

If Greece thinks austerity is tough, wait until they leave the Euro and try to bring back the drachma (sp). Who in the world would be stupid enough to loan them money? At least not a rates Greece will be able to afford.

Good luck Zorba, you are going to take it in the arse either way, the only question is whether or not you bring the whole EU down, or just a few P.I.G.S.
 
2012-05-28 10:06:08 PM  
I am going to age myself here, but I believe the correct answer is...

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-28 10:20:42 PM  
The Greeks made their bed and now they can lie in it. The only way in which Germany has any fault in this was pushing for the Euro in the first place, which was and remains a terrible idea.
 
2012-05-28 10:41:53 PM  
i.imgur.com

This guy
 
2012-05-28 10:59:58 PM  
i375.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-28 11:11:29 PM  
what a bunch of Deutschebags.
 
2012-05-28 11:13:09 PM  
Hannibal?
 
2012-05-28 11:14:28 PM  
Germans should work 2 jobs so that the Greeks can work none. Selfish krauts, always thinking of nobody but themselves.
 
2012-05-28 11:32:54 PM  
Well, I don't know if Germans really WANT to watch it burn, they can't enjoy anything at all you know.

Study Finds Germans Incapable of Enjoying Life
 
2012-05-28 11:36:08 PM  

GAT_00: Germany can't recognize that a solution has to include what the Greek popular opinion. They'd much rather just roar and demand that everyone do what they want, and that won't work. You can't demand the people impoverish themselves while the rich get away without seeing anything happen to them, and expect people to not be mad about that. Well, in Europe anyway. People here aren't smart enough to recognize that, which is why people like Austerity still for some utterly unfathomable reason.


Excuse me, but you can allow the stupid and lazy to pay for their stupidity and laziness. The Greeks expect everything to be handed to them. They are a country of tax-dodging welfare cases. If they are poor because of their own ineptitude, then why not let them suffer? What benefit is it to have a country of leaches continue to be a country of leaches?
 
2012-05-28 11:37:56 PM  

Tommy Moo: Germany has lived within its means for decades.


While simultaneously spending vast sums of money to integrate the former East Germany.
 
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