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2012-05-28 09:10:14 PM

o5iiawah: or - dont live in a pro-union state since you cant choose not to pay taxes to support public worker contracts...which is why you're seeing a migration from CA and the northeast to FL & the Southeast, AZ and NV. Union workers in place like NY love to boast about their fantastic wage yet dont realize that you need to make $75 - 90k just to get by.


Cost of livings in those places have nothing to do with unions and everything to do with housing. Generally speaking, the denser the population the higher the housing costs, and NYC has some of the highest housing costs in the country. Without unions to boost wages the city would even more unaffordable for many. And people go down south for mostly the same reasons they always go down south, the weather is nicer. It certainly isn't because of the economy, which is doing as good as the north, especially Nevada.
 
2012-05-28 09:18:02 PM

Mrtraveler01: So the GOP is trying to protect us from a problem that doesn't exist?

I thought that was the liberals job. When the GOP turn into a bunch of liberals. ;)



They always protect from problems that don't exist. Hundreds of world wide terror cells just waiting for the moment to attack America. Hundreds of secret Communists in Hollywood and government. Only they can protect us from the big bad boogieman.
 
2012-05-28 09:21:52 PM

bobbette: Nope.

Walker has raised more than $25 million for his campaign, 60 percent of it from outside the state, while his Democratic opponent, Tom Barrett, the mayor of Milwaukee (whom Walker defeated in a regular election less than two years ago), has raised less than $1 million. "Wisconsin used to be the beacon of clean and open and honest government," Mike McCabe, the head of the nonpartisan Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, which tracks money in politics, told me. "We are now just a pawn on a national chessboard."


If I did the math correctly, this means Walker has has raised $10 million (40 percent of $25 million) from within Wisconsin, or over ten times as much as Tom Barrett. That's just weird.
 
2012-05-28 09:32:18 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Fart_Machine: Because those 50k a year teachers are just pillaging the economy.

Public sector union benefits are pillaging a lot of state budgets.


By pillaging you mean annually taking retirement over wages which was agreed upon per contractual obligation? Yup that's some golden parachute?
 
2012-05-28 09:39:42 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Fart_Machine: Because those 50k a year teachers are just pillaging the economy.

Public sector union benefits are pillaging a lot of state budgets.


Bukkake.

It's jobs being sent overseas that is killing the US.
and the govt aiding and abetting those thieves should be lynched.
 
2012-05-28 10:00:22 PM
WI is polarized because the Dems decided to make it a battle ground. They thought they could win this fight. Sure Chris Christie is more belligerent but the DNC is stocked with cowards. So with WI's historic left leaning record they decided to wage total war there ... and they lost. They didn't just kind of loose. No they just lost a state that has been historically liberal for decades by showing people what complete asshats they really are.

Dear DNC please occupy something else. Do you need a stage? I'll help pay for your protests anywhere you want to be.
 
2012-05-28 10:04:09 PM

phaseolus: Can't really pin unemployment on him, it was a recession *and* all our manufacturing jobs were moving South at the time, chasing cheap labor costs. Woulda happened no matter who was in charge. The budget thing's a fair criticism; he did mess that up.

I'm likely giving Dreyfus lots of good will, here, for not being Thompson.


I'll admit I can make a case for and against Tommy given where I grew up (one town to the east of Elroy). My dad thought the sun shined out of Tommy's backside and my mother was a teacher who just about spat on the ground at the mention of his name. It made my sister and I really adept at playing devil's advocate.
 
2012-05-28 10:09:55 PM

beta_plus: It's a terrible crime a company makes money. It's an even worse crime when they attempt to defend themselves in the court of public opinion.

It's perfectly OK when Unions force employees to join them and pay dues even when those employees don't want to.

This is what Fark Libs actually believe.


1) It's then ok for us corporate drones to be upset when corporations make donations to SuperPACs we don't subscribe to (based on your logic)?
2) You telling others what they do and don't believe in when you believe Fartbummerbongo ordered the genocide of Libyans is about as credible as Jon Kyl spouting statistics about Planned Parenthood.
 
2012-05-28 10:14:38 PM

bestie1: WI is polarized because the Dems decided to make it a battle ground. They thought they could win this fight. Sure Chris Christie is more belligerent but the DNC is stocked with cowards. So with WI's historic left leaning record they decided to wage total war there ... and they lost. They didn't just kind of loose. No they just lost a state that has been historically liberal for decades by showing people what complete asshats they really are.

Dear DNC please occupy something else. Do you need a stage? I'll help pay for your protests anywhere you want to be.


Wow, it's hilarious how you got everything wrong including who is governor of Wisconsin. Hint: Chris Christie has nothing to do with the state of Wisconsin. He's governor of New Jersey.
 
2012-05-28 10:17:09 PM
My apologies for not yet reading the above. But this:

"You have to introduce a 14-point platform," he said, "so that you can make it harder for them to focus and for the press to cover 14 different planks." He pointed to several bills introduced in the past two sessions, including one that allows more children to enroll in virtual charter schools. "It sounds good," Pocan said. "Kids could access virtual schools for home schooling. But again," he emphasized, the real purpose is "taking apart public schools, drip by drip."

...reminds me that the people who are attempting to dismantle the American middle class are very smart, very organized, and know what they're doing.
 
2012-05-28 10:20:53 PM

Psychohazard: My apologies for not yet reading the above. But this:

"You have to introduce a 14-point platform," he said, "so that you can make it harder for them to focus and for the press to cover 14 different planks." He pointed to several bills introduced in the past two sessions, including one that allows more children to enroll in virtual charter schools. "It sounds good," Pocan said. "Kids could access virtual schools for home schooling. But again," he emphasized, the real purpose is "taking apart public schools, drip by drip."

...reminds me that the people who are attempting to dismantle the American middle class are very smart, very organized, and know what they're doing.


Source? Oh please let it be a video. I'd love to send this to my teabagger uncle, and Cc every other member of my family just so they knew he saw it.
 
2012-05-28 10:26:27 PM

Fart_Machine: bestie1: WI is polarized because the Dems decided to make it a battle ground. They thought they could win this fight. Sure Chris Christie is more belligerent but the DNC is stocked with cowards. So with WI's historic left leaning record they decided to wage total war there ... and they lost. They didn't just kind of loose. No they just lost a state that has been historically liberal for decades by showing people what complete asshats they really are.

Dear DNC please occupy something else. Do you need a stage? I'll help pay for your protests anywhere you want to be.

Wow, it's hilarious how you got everything wrong including who is governor of Wisconsin. Hint: Chris Christie has nothing to do with the state of Wisconsin. He's governor of New Jersey.


He probably thinks the Insane Cock Bros. are bankrolling the GOP fight in WI too.

//i hope he googles that too so he gets 14 (x2) inches of dark-meated reality thrust in his face.
 
2012-05-28 10:26:54 PM

Fart_Machine: Wow, it's hilarious how you got everything wrong including who is governor of Wisconsin. Hint: Chris Christie has nothing to do with the state of Wisconsin. He's governor of New Jersey.


I think he's referring to Christie's appearance here to stump for Walker; whereas it seems no prominent Democrat has even set foot in the state. Prebius has said he's "All-in" and Wasserman-Schultz is acting like the cool kid saying she might show up unless it's lame. The best Barrett has is an email from Obama's Wisconsin people saying he's behind him. I'll give Obama a pass for not being in town; those schedules are hard to turn around that quickly. But Wasserman-Schultz and other high ranking Democrats... what's their excuse?
 
2012-05-28 10:27:36 PM

Hobodeluxe: It's jobs being sent overseas that is killing the US.
and the govt aiding and abetting those thieves should be lynched.


Pffft. Back in 2006 private employees would make fun of the public sector because their wages were usually lower and pensions promised a lower yield compared to the promise of a fat 401K since the market was up. Fast forward a couple of years later when the market tanked, workers could use their investment plan to wipe their asses, and companies shed employees or at best froze their wages. The elite in this country have done a good job of convincing the middle classes to turn on each other rather than look up to see who's pissing on them and you can see the results in every FARK thread.
 
2012-05-28 10:28:15 PM

Fart_Machine: bestie1: WI is polarized because the Dems decided to make it a battle ground. They thought they could win this fight. Sure Chris Christie is more belligerent but the DNC is stocked with cowards. So with WI's historic left leaning record they decided to wage total war there ... and they lost. They didn't just kind of loose. No they just lost a state that has been historically liberal for decades by showing people what complete asshats they really are.

Dear DNC please occupy something else. Do you need a stage? I'll help pay for your protests anywhere you want to be.

Wow, it's hilarious how you got everything wrong including who is governor of Wisconsin. Hint: Chris Christie has nothing to do with the state of Wisconsin. He's governor of New Jersey.


I'm paying taxes for moron's who can't pass reading comprehension?
 
2012-05-28 10:29:51 PM

bestie1: Fart_Machine: bestie1: WI is polarized because the Dems decided to make it a battle ground. They thought they could win this fight. Sure Chris Christie is more belligerent but the DNC is stocked with cowards. So with WI's historic left leaning record they decided to wage total war there ... and they lost. They didn't just kind of loose. No they just lost a state that has been historically liberal for decades by showing people what complete asshats they really are.

Dear DNC please occupy something else. Do you need a stage? I'll help pay for your protests anywhere you want to be.

Wow, it's hilarious how you got everything wrong including who is governor of Wisconsin. Hint: Chris Christie has nothing to do with the state of Wisconsin. He's governor of New Jersey.

I'm paying taxes for moron's who can't pass reading comprehension?


I'm paying taxes for morons who can't pass English Composition Grade 7?
 
2012-05-28 10:32:39 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Psychohazard: My apologies for not yet reading the above. But this:

"You have to introduce a 14-point platform," he said, "so that you can make it harder for them to focus and for the press to cover 14 different planks." He pointed to several bills introduced in the past two sessions, including one that allows more children to enroll in virtual charter schools. "It sounds good," Pocan said. "Kids could access virtual schools for home schooling. But again," he emphasized, the real purpose is "taking apart public schools, drip by drip."

...reminds me that the people who are attempting to dismantle the American middle class are very smart, very organized, and know what they're doing.

Source? Oh please let it be a video. I'd love to send this to my teabagger uncle, and Cc every other member of my family just so they knew he saw it.


It's a direct quote from the article.
 
2012-05-28 10:33:16 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Fart_Machine: Wow, it's hilarious how you got everything wrong including who is governor of Wisconsin. Hint: Chris Christie has nothing to do with the state of Wisconsin. He's governor of New Jersey.

I think he's referring to Christie's appearance here to stump for Walker; whereas it seems no prominent Democrat has even set foot in the state. Prebius has said he's "All-in" and Wasserman-Schultz is acting like the cool kid saying she might show up unless it's lame. The best Barrett has is an email from Obama's Wisconsin people saying he's behind him. I'll give Obama a pass for not being in town; those schedules are hard to turn around that quickly. But Wasserman-Schultz and other high ranking Democrats... what's their excuse?


The DNC is being way too cautious here. I guess they want to take the high road and avoid playing into Walker's "out-of-state money" "out-of-state support" narrative which is more or less a lie when you consider the out-of-state contributions are 25:1 in favor Walker. But taking the high road could cost them especially by avoiding doing something I wouldn't even call ethically dubious.
 
2012-05-28 10:33:22 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Fart_Machine: Wow, it's hilarious how you got everything wrong including who is governor of Wisconsin. Hint: Chris Christie has nothing to do with the state of Wisconsin. He's governor of New Jersey.

I think he's referring to Christie's appearance here to stump for Walker; whereas it seems no prominent Democrat has even set foot in the state. Prebius has said he's "All-in" and Wasserman-Schultz is acting like the cool kid saying she might show up unless it's lame. The best Barrett has is an email from Obama's Wisconsin people saying he's behind him. I'll give Obama a pass for not being in town; those schedules are hard to turn around that quickly. But Wasserman-Schultz and other high ranking Democrats... what's their excuse?


No I'm actually referring to the DNC's strategy of going after and loosing low hanging fruit. The DNC could have chose to fight in New Jersey. They did not. They chose to fight in a state that they already controlled despite having a GOP governor.

I just assumed that people who post on the political tab know something about politics. Sorry I was wrong.
 
2012-05-28 10:36:08 PM

o5iiawah: Mrtraveler01: Overfiend: But I disagree on voter ID laws. I don't believe it is racist/economically biased/etc. I think it makes sense.

The Kansas State Attorney General was on NPR one time discussing this law. When the NPR host asked the Attorney General of a case in which voter fraud actually influenced an election, his best example was a mayoral election in a town of a couple hundred.

The fact that this is the best they could come up with shows how much the issue of "voter fraud" in the US has been greatly exaggerated for political gain.

If you think the people who draft these laws actually give a shiat about a fair election, you're just kidding yourself.

Too bad the SCOTUS ruled 6-3 (crawford vs marion county) that states dont need to demonstrate prior evidence of fraud as they are acting in the interests of keeping free and fair elections. The act of retaining important paperwork and schlepping one's self to the DMV or courthouse once a decade is not an imposition on voting, nor is it Jim Crow.

I guess liberals just assume that black people are too poor/stupid to keep ID and so they need to be protected? The "you cant prove fraud" nonsense has already been struck down so please, explain who all these people are who have no ID


I know a woman who was raised buy her grandparent. Her mother was a drug addict. She was never legally adopted. She does not have a birth certificate. She has written to her mother who is in prison several times trying to get the information she needs (legal name, city or county of birth) to get her birth certificate and her mother does not respond. She cannot get a BC, a drivers license or a job and she cannot vote.
 
2012-05-28 10:39:12 PM

bestie1: Fart_Machine: bestie1: WI is polarized because the Dems decided to make it a battle ground. They thought they could win this fight. Sure Chris Christie is more belligerent but the DNC is stocked with cowards. So with WI's historic left leaning record they decided to wage total war there ... and they lost. They didn't just kind of loose. No they just lost a state that has been historically liberal for decades by showing people what complete asshats they really are.

Dear DNC please occupy something else. Do you need a stage? I'll help pay for your protests anywhere you want to be.

Wow, it's hilarious how you got everything wrong including who is governor of Wisconsin. Hint: Chris Christie has nothing to do with the state of Wisconsin. He's governor of New Jersey.

I'm paying taxes for moron's who can't pass reading comprehension?


And the unintentional laughs continue.
 
2012-05-28 10:41:46 PM

bestie1: Ken VeryBigLiar: Fart_Machine: Wow, it's hilarious how you got everything wrong including who is governor of Wisconsin. Hint: Chris Christie has nothing to do with the state of Wisconsin. He's governor of New Jersey.

I think he's referring to Christie's appearance here to stump for Walker; whereas it seems no prominent Democrat has even set foot in the state. Prebius has said he's "All-in" and Wasserman-Schultz is acting like the cool kid saying she might show up unless it's lame. The best Barrett has is an email from Obama's Wisconsin people saying he's behind him. I'll give Obama a pass for not being in town; those schedules are hard to turn around that quickly. But Wasserman-Schultz and other high ranking Democrats... what's their excuse?

No I'm actually referring to the DNC's strategy of going after and loosing low hanging fruit. The DNC could have chose to fight in New Jersey. They did not. They chose to fight in a state that they already controlled despite having a GOP governor.

I just assumed that people who post on the political tab know something about politics. Sorry I was wrong.


You should have just stuck with his response rather than digging that hole even deeper.
 
2012-05-28 10:44:05 PM

Meanniss: o5iiawah: Mrtraveler01: Overfiend: But I disagree on voter ID laws. I don't believe it is racist/economically biased/etc. I think it makes sense.

The Kansas State Attorney General was on NPR one time discussing this law. When the NPR host asked the Attorney General of a case in which voter fraud actually influenced an election, his best example was a mayoral election in a town of a couple hundred.

The fact that this is the best they could come up with shows how much the issue of "voter fraud" in the US has been greatly exaggerated for political gain.

If you think the people who draft these laws actually give a shiat about a fair election, you're just kidding yourself.

Too bad the SCOTUS ruled 6-3 (crawford vs marion county) that states dont need to demonstrate prior evidence of fraud as they are acting in the interests of keeping free and fair elections. The act of retaining important paperwork and schlepping one's self to the DMV or courthouse once a decade is not an imposition on voting, nor is it Jim Crow.

I guess liberals just assume that black people are too poor/stupid to keep ID and so they need to be protected? The "you cant prove fraud" nonsense has already been struck down so please, explain who all these people are who have no ID

I know a woman who was raised buy her grandparent. Her mother was a drug addict. She was never legally adopted. She does not have a birth certificate. She has written to her mother who is in prison several times trying to get the information she needs (legal name, city or county of birth) to get her birth certificate and her mother does not respond. She cannot get a BC, a drivers license or a job and she cannot vote.


You might know one person that can't vote because of your convoluted story but the DNC doesn't care about her. They want massive vote fraud on the scale of Daley and LBJ. Let's just get real about the issue. The DNC owns vote fraud. You won't find GOP candidates glorifying vote fraud in their memoirs.
 
2012-05-28 10:49:50 PM

bestie1: WI is polarized because the Dems decided to make it a battle ground



The Dems threw out union contracts and attacked working class citizens?
 
2012-05-28 10:50:46 PM

coeyagi: The DNC is being way too cautious here. I guess they want to take the high road and avoid playing into Walker's "out-of-state money" "out-of-state support" narrative which is more or less a lie when you consider the out-of-state contributions are 25:1 in favor Walker. But taking the high road could cost them especially by avoiding doing something I wouldn't even call ethically dubious


They were off the high road the minute union groups started throwing money and support at Falk in the primary. Now they might have to sweat out November when Obama needs even a paltry 10 spot that this state can offer him because they couldn't free up a couple of people for one damn day.
 
2012-05-28 10:51:09 PM

bestie1: You might know one person that can't vote because of your convoluted story but the DNC doesn't care about her. They want massive vote fraud on the scale of Daley and LBJ. Let's just get real about the issue. The DNC owns vote fraud. You won't find GOP candidates glorifying vote fraud in their memoirs.



Not only do you have no evidence of "massive" vote fraud, but you conveniently forget the vote fraud found to be caused by Republicans. In Florida and Ohio most recently. Another troll for my list.
 
2012-05-28 10:51:25 PM

Suitable Moniker: Pinchin' this one off here:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 437x599]

/steamin' hot
//sorry, Frank


You know how you can prevent stolen elections? By insisting that photo ID be presented.
 
2012-05-28 10:53:08 PM

bestie1: They chose to fight



Throwing out union contracts, insulting teachers and other working class people, trying to get rid of collective bargaining, that's choosing a fight. So why are you blaming Democrats?
 
2012-05-28 10:55:26 PM

beta_plus: You know how you can prevent stolen elections? By insisting that photo ID be presented.



Because there was never a case of forging a photo ID!

And what about write-in votes, are you going to go to each house that sent one in and check ID's?

Problems, solved!
 
2012-05-28 10:56:04 PM

beta_plus: Suitable Moniker: Pinchin' this one off here:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 437x599]

/steamin' hot
//sorry, Frank

You know how you can prevent stolen elections? By insisting that photo ID be presented.


stolen election = "my guy didn't win"

Case in point: Minnesota after Al Franken won the Senate election in 2008.

So in other words, you guys have nothing but butthurt and are using Voter ID laws to soothe your butthurt is that correct?
 
2012-05-28 10:58:25 PM

bestie1: You might know one person that can't vote because of your convoluted story but the DNC doesn't care about her. They want massive vote fraud on the scale of Daley and LBJ. Let's just get real about the issue. The DNC owns vote fraud. You won't find GOP candidates glorifying vote fraud in their memoirs.


*coughs*
 
2012-05-28 11:01:12 PM
I am a working class citizen. My father is a working class citizen. My grandparents were working class citizens. Maybe you should shovel shiat on a farm or pour liquid iron and then I might listen to you. Once you have the scars on your arms I'll listen to your pasty white asses.

Despite what your teachers told you we don't want your help. fark off and go away. We earn out keep and we don't want your help. What we have is ours not a boon from your govt.

You my friends are the privileged children of an elite that I am not a member of.
 
2012-05-28 11:04:11 PM

bestie1: Despite what your teachers told you we don't want your help. fark off and go away. We earn out keep and we don't want your help. What we have is ours not a boon from your govt.


My guess is if you guys have a farm, then the government helped you guys out big time.

*cough* subsidies *cough*
 
2012-05-28 11:07:20 PM

bestie1: I am a working class citizen. My father is a working class citizen. My grandparents were working class citizens. Maybe you should shovel shiat on a farm or pour liquid iron and then I might listen to you. Once you have the scars on your arms I'll listen to your pasty white asses.

Despite what your teachers told you we don't want your help. fark off and go away. We earn out keep and we don't want your help. What we have is ours not a boon from your govt.

You my friends are the privileged children of an elite that I am not a member of.


Ok whose alt is this? This shait is hilarious!
 
2012-05-28 11:10:07 PM

Fart_Machine: bestie1: I am a working class citizen. My father is a working class citizen. My grandparents were working class citizens. Maybe you should shovel shiat on a farm or pour liquid iron and then I might listen to you. Once you have the scars on your arms I'll listen to your pasty white asses.

Despite what your teachers told you we don't want your help. fark off and go away. We earn out keep and we don't want your help. What we have is ours not a boon from your govt.

You my friends are the privileged children of an elite that I am not a member of.

Ok whose alt is this? This shait is hilarious!


I have him funny'd after that last hilarious post.
 
2012-05-28 11:10:42 PM

bestie1: Meanniss: o5iiawah: Mrtraveler01: Overfiend: But I disagree on voter ID laws. I don't believe it is racist/economically biased/etc. I think it makes sense.

The Kansas State Attorney General was on NPR one time discussing this law. When the NPR host asked the Attorney General of a case in which voter fraud actually influenced an election, his best example was a mayoral election in a town of a couple hundred.

The fact that this is the best they could come up with shows how much the issue of "voter fraud" in the US has been greatly exaggerated for political gain.

If you think the people who draft these laws actually give a shiat about a fair election, you're just kidding yourself.

Too bad the SCOTUS ruled 6-3 (crawford vs marion county) that states dont need to demonstrate prior evidence of fraud as they are acting in the interests of keeping free and fair elections. The act of retaining important paperwork and schlepping one's self to the DMV or courthouse once a decade is not an imposition on voting, nor is it Jim Crow.

I guess liberals just assume that black people are too poor/stupid to keep ID and so they need to be protected? The "you cant prove fraud" nonsense has already been struck down so please, explain who all these people are who have no ID

I know a woman who was raised buy her grandparent. Her mother was a drug addict. She was never legally adopted. She does not have a birth certificate. She has written to her mother who is in prison several times trying to get the information she needs (legal name, city or county of birth) to get her birth certificate and her mother does not respond. She cannot get a BC, a drivers license or a job and she cannot vote.

You might know one person that can't vote because of your convoluted story but the DNC doesn't care about her. They want massive vote fraud on the scale of Daley and LBJ. Let's just get real about the issue. The DNC owns vote fraud. You won't find GOP candidates glorifying vote fraud in their ...


We need a stupid button.
 
2012-05-28 11:14:12 PM

Mrtraveler01: bestie1: Despite what your teachers told you we don't want your help. fark off and go away. We earn out keep and we don't want your help. What we have is ours not a boon from your govt.

My guess is if you guys have a farm, then the government helped you guys out big time.

*cough* subsidies *cough*


Did you eat bread this week my friend? There was money exchanged to keep that price down. There had to be some kind of transition as small farms disappeared. The farm is now gone. At most there is 20 acres. Does that make you happy? Should the Kulak's be punished more? They are after all holding back food from the masses/

I also don't dig fence posts or work with iron anymore. I still work for a living though. I just write software instead of digging holes.

Maybe you should try it. Start off digging 100 posts in a day at $6.00/hr then study hard and climb your way to a salary.
 
2012-05-28 11:16:08 PM

bestie1: Once you have the scars on your arms I'll listen to your pasty white asses.


t2.gstatic.com

Do we have to walk on rice paper and grab this pebble from your hand too?
 
2012-05-28 11:17:39 PM

beta_plus: Suitable Moniker: Pinchin' this one off here:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 437x599]

/steamin' hot
//sorry, Frank

You know how you can prevent stolen elections? By insisting that photo ID be presented.


How would that prevent some unscrupulous county clerk from "finding" a bag of ballots that conveniently contains enough for their candidate to win?
 
2012-05-28 11:17:44 PM

bestie1: I am a working class citizen. My father is a working class citizen. My grandparents were working class citizens. Maybe you should shovel shiat on a farm or pour liquid iron and then I might listen to you. Once you have the scars on your arms I'll listen to your pasty white asses.

Despite what your teachers told you we don't want your help. fark off and go away. We earn out keep and we don't want your help. What we have is ours not a boon from your govt.

You my friends are the privileged children of an elite that I am not a member of.


This shiat can't be real. Is this Mike_Lowell's evil twin alt?
 
2012-05-28 11:18:13 PM

bestie1: Did you eat bread this week my friend? There was money exchanged to keep that price down. There had to be some kind of transition as small farms disappeared. The farm is now gone. At most there is 20 acres. Does that make you happy? Should the Kulak's be punished more? They are after all holding back food from the masses/


So you're defending farming subsidies from the government then?

Fine with me. Now I see that you defend the government handouts that you like.
 
2012-05-28 11:19:31 PM

qorkfiend: beta_plus: Suitable Moniker: Pinchin' this one off here:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 437x599]

/steamin' hot
//sorry, Frank

You know how you can prevent stolen elections? By insisting that photo ID be presented.

How would that prevent some unscrupulous county clerk from "finding" a bag of ballots that conveniently contains enough for their candidate to win?


If it benefits a Republican, then it's ok.
 
2012-05-28 11:24:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: bestie1: Did you eat bread this week my friend? There was money exchanged to keep that price down. There had to be some kind of transition as small farms disappeared. The farm is now gone. At most there is 20 acres. Does that make you happy? Should the Kulak's be punished more? They are after all holding back food from the masses/

So you're defending farming subsidies from the government then?

Fine with me. Now I see that you defend the government handouts that you like.


Ooooh! Allowing the invisible hand to set prices for bread is punishment!
 
2012-05-28 11:41:41 PM
I worked my way up from lower middle class to be semi-successful. No govt. programs helped a white trash kid like me. What I have is mine and I am proud of that.

Maybe some of the people posting from their mom's basement should stop whining and try to do the same.
 
2012-05-28 11:44:17 PM

DrewCurtisJr: qorkfiend: This is exactly correct! Other people have a pension and you don't. There is only one possible solution: take the other people's pensions away!

Or maybe you can reduce pension benefits.


Reduce services while giving tax breaks to the wealthy. fark you.
 
2012-05-28 11:45:44 PM

bestie1: I worked my way up from lower middle class to be semi-successful. No govt. programs helped a white trash kid like me. What I have is mine and I am proud of that.

Maybe some of the people posting from their mom's basement should stop whining and try to do the same.


cache.gawker.com
 
2012-05-28 11:46:01 PM

bestie1: I worked my way up from lower middle class to be semi-successful. No govt. programs helped a white trash kid like me. What I have is mine and I am proud of that.

Maybe some of the people posting from their mom's basement should stop whining and try to do the same.


cache.gawker.com
 
2012-05-28 11:46:11 PM

bestie1: I worked my way up from lower middle class to be semi-successful. No govt. programs helped a white trash kid like me. What I have is mine and I am proud of that.


So you're telling me a kid from a working class family didn't go to public school?
 
2012-05-28 11:46:36 PM

Fart_Machine: bestie1: I worked my way up from lower middle class to be semi-successful. No govt. programs helped a white trash kid like me. What I have is mine and I am proud of that.

Maybe some of the people posting from their mom's basement should stop whining and try to do the same.

[cache.gawker.com image 468x336]


Heh, you win this time!
 
2012-05-28 11:47:11 PM

Mrtraveler01: bestie1: I worked my way up from lower middle class to be semi-successful. No govt. programs helped a white trash kid like me. What I have is mine and I am proud of that.

So you're telling me a kid from a working class family didn't go to public school?


He was born a poor black child.
 
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