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2012-05-28 11:06:07 AM  
$15,000 for a buyout? I know a few USPS workers and I have a hard time imagining them getting a new job that's equal to the post office job. I'm surprised the union didn't hold out for something like help in finding another job for those people or assistance in job retraining for those who didn't hold skilled positions.
 
2012-05-28 11:06:32 AM  
I bet all of the checks will be delivered by FedEx or UPS.
 
2012-05-28 11:19:04 AM  

skinink: $15,000 for a buyout? I know a few USPS workers and I have a hard time imagining them getting a new job that's equal to the post office job. I'm surprised the union didn't hold out for something like help in finding another job for those people or assistance in job retraining for those who didn't hold skilled positions.


It's all optional, so the union probably didn't negotiate as hard as they would if it was involuntary.

The thing about optional buyouts is that the next offer, which will probably be mandatory, probably won't be as good.
 
2012-05-28 11:34:58 AM  
The only people who will take a $15,000 buyout are people very close to retirement anyway. If you want a large number to leave tell them if they don't leave now they will be screwed royally. Sort of a reverse buyout.
 
2012-05-28 11:44:46 AM  
Oh that's nice. Instead of offering this to the clerks, they forced them into carrier positions.

skinink: $15,000 for a buyout? I know a few USPS workers and I have a hard time imagining them getting a new job that's equal to the post office job. I'm surprised the union didn't hold out for something like help in finding another job for those people or assistance in job retraining for those who didn't hold skilled positions.


IIRC, these usually come with credit for extra years of service, usually 5. I think 20 years if full retirement, so they're aiming for the people with 15+ or the lifers thinking that maybe that extra $15k will push them out (it won't).
 
2012-05-28 11:48:43 AM  

runwiz: If you want a large number to leave tell them if they don't leave now they will be screwed royally. Sort of a reverse buyout.


That's why they have a union, so you can't just treat people like that.

skinink: $15,000 for a buyout? I know a few USPS workers and I have a hard time imagining them getting a new job that's equal to the post office job.


Yes, there will be a lot of middle aged, middle class people who've spent their entire careers at the post office and really aren't qualified for much more than retail.
 
2012-05-28 12:01:12 PM  
If the Postal Service didn't have to fund the retirement for their great grandchildren they would be making a profit.
None of this crap wouldn't be happening. Besides, the Government shouldn't be making a profit.
 
2012-05-28 12:46:00 PM  

cig-mkr: If the Postal Service didn't have to fund the retirement for their great grandchildren they would be making a profit.
None of this crap wouldn't be happening. Besides, the Government shouldn't be making a profit.


Uhhh. If the government needs to pay off a debt then I'm perfectly okay with a temporary profit.
 
2012-05-28 12:46:19 PM  
So subby, a $15K buyout for mail clerks who have worked 15+ years is asinine, but hundred million $ golden parachutes for CEOs who worked 5 years or less is fine?

If the Postal Service didn't have to fund the retirement for their great grandchildren were allowed to price stamps to account for future inflation and cost increases they would be making a profit.
None of this crap wouldn't be happening. Besides, the Government shouldn't be making a profit.
 
2012-05-28 12:54:08 PM  
Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world
 
2012-05-28 12:55:24 PM  
Sorry, but knowing many who work for the PO, they'll not get my sympathy.
 
2012-05-28 12:55:55 PM  

dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world


real world

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2012-05-28 01:06:18 PM  

Lsherm: skinink: $15,000 for a buyout? I know a few USPS workers and I have a hard time imagining them getting a new job that's equal to the post office job. I'm surprised the union didn't hold out for something like help in finding another job for those people or assistance in job retraining for those who didn't hold skilled positions.

It's all optional, so the union probably didn't negotiate as hard as they would if it was involuntary.

The thing about optional buyouts is that the next offer, which will probably be mandatory, probably won't be as good.


For $15K I'd say no thanks and take my chances. They aren't going to cut their staff to zero. You hope that they hit the majority of their target reductions voluntarily, and then the layoffs miss you. You'll have to do much better than four month's salary to push me out into a jobless wasteland.
 
2012-05-28 01:11:22 PM  

dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world


Yes, screw them for getting paid a living wage for providing a service that is necessary for our society to continue to function. The cost per person was approx. $28, we give more per person to the Oil industry. Also considering it could be significantly less if Congress wasn't mucking things up, your anger is misdirected.
 
2012-05-28 01:36:05 PM  

dlp211: dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world

Yes, screw them for getting paid a living wage for providing a service that is necessary for our society to continue to function. The cost per person was approx. $28, we give more per person to the Oil industry. Also considering it could be significantly less if Congress wasn't mucking things up, your anger is misdirected.


They make work for an entity that provides a necessary service but the fact that the entity can shed 45,000 employees and still function means that they are not necessary. The reason this started was because the unions have set up no layoff contracts, combined with plummeting mail volume this created an overstaffed issue.

Living wage ~$13 in the US, USPS wage ~$21-$24.
 
2012-05-28 01:57:54 PM  

dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world


Buyouts happen all the time in the private sector.
 
2012-05-28 02:04:45 PM  

dlp211: Yes, screw them for getting paid a living wage for providing a service that is necessary for our society to continue to function.


What service are they providing that is necessary? They only send me farking junk mail. All my bills are paid online and I print any paper information I may need for whatever reason(like insurances cards). Why can't I opted out at the post office level? Because then the USPS wouldn't make the money from all that crap. You have to tell each damn business sending you the junk that you don't want their shiat.
 
2012-05-28 02:14:57 PM  
dlp211: Yes, screw them for getting paid a living wage for providing a service that is necessary for our society to continue to function.

Good one. Needed a good laugh today!
 
2012-05-28 03:01:37 PM  
I'm curious as to why this was "asinine?" Buyout makes perfect sense...
 
2012-05-28 03:50:35 PM  

dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world I am jealous of those who make a living, and rather than join a union I want unions destroyed so everyone will be paid as little as I am!


Right fancy thinkin' there, son. But not to worry, I'm sure a Job Creator is going to shower gold on you soon, and you will then be rich and won't have to pay union wages or taxes!
 
2012-05-28 04:03:43 PM  

Lt_Ryan: They make work for an entity that provides a necessary service but the fact that the entity can shed 45,000 employees and still function means that they are not necessary. The reason this started was because the unions have set up no layoff contracts, combined with plummeting mail volume this created an overstaffed issue.


And now they are letting go of 45k employees. So that's settled ... what's the problem, again?
 
2012-05-28 04:13:39 PM  

NotARocketScientist: So subby, a $15K buyout for mail clerks who have worked 15+ years is asinine, but hundred million $ golden parachutes for CEOs who worked 5 years or less is fine?


Where exactly does subby suggest that CEO parachutes are fine?

/not subby
 
2012-05-28 04:15:35 PM  

dmars: dlp211: What service are they providing that is necessary? They only send me farking junk mail. All my bills are paid online and I print any paper information I may need for whatever reason(like insurances cards). Why can't I opted out at the post office level? Because then the USPS wouldn't make the money from all that crap. You have to tell each damn business sending you the junk that you don't want their shiat.


Wow, talk about (almost literally) "shooting the messenger." "I don't like the mail I get, therefore dissolve the post office!"

Up next: "I never set anything on fire, so abolish the fire department!"

Relevant.
 
2012-05-28 05:43:23 PM  

Buzzerguy: dmars: dlp211: What service are they providing that is necessary? They only send me farking junk mail. All my bills are paid online and I print any paper information I may need for whatever reason(like insurances cards). Why can't I opted out at the post office level? Because then the USPS wouldn't make the money from all that crap. You have to tell each damn business sending you the junk that you don't want their shiat.

Wow, talk about (almost literally) "shooting the messenger." "I don't like the mail I get, therefore dissolve the post office!"

Up next: "I never set anything on fire, so abolish the fire department!"

Relevant.


When did I say we should abolish the post office? I said I wanted to opt out, me personally. Tell your grandma I was only be facetious with the first line of my comment and that the post office isn't going anywhere.
 
2012-05-28 06:15:31 PM  

Cheesus: Oh that's nice. Instead of offering this to the clerks, they forced them into carrier positions.

skinink: $15,000 for a buyout? I know a few USPS workers and I have a hard time imagining them getting a new job that's equal to the post office job. I'm surprised the union didn't hold out for something like help in finding another job for those people or assistance in job retraining for those who didn't hold skilled positions.

IIRC, these usually come with credit for extra years of service, usually 5. I think 20 years if full retirement, so they're aiming for the people with 15+ or the lifers thinking that maybe that extra $15k will push them out (it won't).


In this case there is no offer of added years.
The rules for any federal Voluntary Early Retirement are set by the Office of Personnel Management.
Postal workers are covered by the same retirement programs
as all other federal agencies:

CSRS (civil service) for persons employed before 1984.
FERS (federal employee retirement) for those who started later.

In order to receive a full (80%) pension an employee needs 41 years, 10 months of paid in time for the former. These employees neither pay into nor get Social Security.

For the latter, employees get 1% pension for each year of service, plus Social Security.

All federal employees can also contribute into various managed funds, some of which will be matched by the agency.
 
2012-05-28 06:21:41 PM  

bphlater: In order to receive a full (80%) pension an employee needs 41 years, 10 months of paid in time for the former. These employees neither pay into nor get Social Security.


80% of what amount? Average pay, final pay, average salary of last x years of work? And who much are they required to pay in?
 
2012-05-28 06:30:05 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: bphlater: In order to receive a full (80%) pension an employee needs 41 years, 10 months of paid in time for the former. These employees neither pay into nor get Social Security.

80% of what amount? Average pay, final pay, average salary of last x years of work? And who much are they required to pay in?


Average of base pay of high three years, overtime excluded.
Pay in is 7% of gross.
 
2012-05-28 06:37:04 PM  

bphlater: Average of base pay of high three years, overtime excluded.
Pay in is 7% of gross.



Thanks
 
2012-05-28 06:37:14 PM  

crab66: cig-mkr: If the Postal Service didn't have to fund the retirement for their great grandchildren they would be making a profit.
None of this crap wouldn't be happening. Besides, the Government shouldn't be making a profit.

Uhhh. If the government needs to pay off a debt then I'm perfectly okay with a temporary profit.


Too bad the only agency that the gop wants to make a profit and pay off their debts is the post office, and not loss leaders like the dod and dhs.

dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world


In the real world, you are not mandated to pay 7x as much for your retirement costs.
 
2012-05-28 06:48:15 PM  

soj4life: crab66: cig-mkr: If the Postal Service didn't have to fund the retirement for their great grandchildren they would be making a profit.
None of this crap wouldn't be happening. Besides, the Government shouldn't be making a profit.

Uhhh. If the government needs to pay off a debt then I'm perfectly okay with a temporary profit.

Too bad the only agency that the gop wants to make a profit and pay off their debts is the post office, and not loss leaders like the dod and dhs.

dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world

In the real world, you are not mandated to pay 7x as much for your retirement costs.


Some people are not going to be happy until everyone who's not a professional makes $5 an hour with no benefits. Then they'll be really upset to learn that nobody can afford their goods or services.
 
2012-05-28 07:01:18 PM  

soj4life: crab66: cig-mkr: If the Postal Service didn't have to fund the retirement for their great grandchildren they would be making a profit.
None of this crap wouldn't be happening. Besides, the Government shouldn't be making a profit.

Uhhh. If the government needs to pay off a debt then I'm perfectly okay with a temporary profit.

Too bad the only agency that the gop wants to make a profit and pay off their debts is the post office, and not loss leaders like the dod and dhs.

dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world

In the real world, you are not mandated to pay 7x as much for your retirement costs.


I think DoD and DHS being run as for-profit is a bit of a scary thought.
 
2012-05-28 07:11:49 PM  

dmars: What service are they providing that is necessary? They only send me farking junk mail. All my bills are paid online and I print any paper information I may need for whatever reason(like insurances cards). Why can't I opted out at the post office level? Because then the USPS wouldn't make the money from all that crap. You have to tell each damn business sending you the junk that you don't want their shiat.



What is this I don't even
 
2012-05-28 07:29:15 PM  

intelligent comment below: dmars: What service are they providing that is necessary? They only send me farking junk mail. All my bills are paid online and I print any paper information I may need for whatever reason(like insurances cards). Why can't I opted out at the post office level? Because then the USPS wouldn't make the money from all that crap. You have to tell each damn business sending you the junk that you don't want their shiat.


What is this I don't even


I am curious on which point was I unclear on because I am not seeing where the confusion lies.

There is the fact that I don't have any physical mail that I need to get and I can do everything online. Property taxes, Utilities, Mortgage, Income Tax, Phone, etc is all done online.

99% of my mail is junk mail.

The way I read psychical junk mail works is that businesses pays the USPS like 14 cents per item to blanket send to a neighborhood.

If you don't want to get this stuff you have to do it through the business and tell them not to send you junk mail.

What I was stating is that I would like to opt out of junk mail at the post office level. Like a do not call list. But instead you have to unsubscribe to something you never subscribed to from each company that sends you junk mail.

The reason the Post Office will not do this is because that is how they make a good portion of their money, but charging to send junk mail out.

I don't seem to understand the confusion so if you could clarify what is causing the problem I will try to address it.
 
2012-05-28 07:40:57 PM  

Lt_Ryan: dlp211: dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world

Yes, screw them for getting paid a living wage for providing a service that is necessary for our society to continue to function. The cost per person was approx. $28, we give more per person to the Oil industry. Also considering it could be significantly less if Congress wasn't mucking things up, your anger is misdirected.

They make work for an entity that provides a necessary service but the fact that the entity can shed 45,000 employees and still function means that they are not necessary. The reason this started was because the unions have set up no layoff contracts, combined with plummeting mail volume this created an overstaffed issue.

Living wage ~$13 in the US, USPS wage ~$21-$24.


That might be the living wage for a single person in the midwest. Here in the northeast my wife makes 13 and change an hour. After her healthcare premiums are paid she brings home about 650 every two weeks. That's about 1400 a month. Our rent alone is 1200 and we have cheap rent. Car insurance, internet, cell phone, cable, power and that is an additional 500 dollars. So without including gas and food and parkway fare, we are already at 1700 in expenses and only 1400 in income.

And if we eliminated the cable and reduced our cell expenses our monthly expenses would still be 1500.
 
2012-05-28 07:56:59 PM  
As usual, the very last sentence of the article is where the real news is buried:

"Dow Jones Newswires reported last week that the USPS this summer will start consolidating almost a third of its mail-processing plants as part of a $1.2 billion cost-savings roadmap, which includes cutting the work force by 13,000 this year."


The policy requiring them to fund the retirement for the next half dozen generations, something no other governmental organization is asked to do, is costing the country 13,000 good jobs in a time when our top goal as a country is supposedly to be creating more jobs.

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Congress - y u no logic?
 
2012-05-28 09:08:59 PM  

dmars: I am curious on which point was I unclear on because I am not seeing where the confusion lies.



The confusion being nobody gives a fark if you use the mail or not or what you get in it, it's that it is so vital to the economy especially areas in rural locations. But keep rambling nonsense. Your uneducated opinion is so valuable.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-05-28 09:17:57 PM  

Goodfella: The policy requiring them to fund the retirement for the next half dozen generations, something no other governmental public or private organization is asked to do does, is costing the country 13,000 good jobs in a time when our top goal as a country is supposedly to be creating more jobs.


This is nothing but an effort by the GOP to privatize our mail system. While our competitors like China are giving their companies free shipping around the world, our Congress want's to do away with our mail system and have UPS and FEDEX get all the business. Keep in mind UPS now says they no longer ship electronics with lithium batteries overseas. So in other other words our competitors like China will ship a new battery or my phone for $1 with free shipping from half way around the world. But the top shipping company in the nation won't ship my phone with the battery to China for any price.

This is a big f*ck you to our trade deficit.
 
2012-05-28 09:34:01 PM  

dlp211: Lt_Ryan: dlp211: dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world

Yes, screw them for getting paid a living wage for providing a service that is necessary for our society to continue to function. The cost per person was approx. $28, we give more per person to the Oil industry. Also considering it could be significantly less if Congress wasn't mucking things up, your anger is misdirected.

They make work for an entity that provides a necessary service but the fact that the entity can shed 45,000 employees and still function means that they are not necessary. The reason this started was because the unions have set up no layoff contracts, combined with plummeting mail volume this created an overstaffed issue.

Living wage ~$13 in the US, USPS wage ~$21-$24.

That might be the living wage for a single person in the midwest. Here in the northeast my wife makes 13 and change an hour. After her healthcare premiums are paid she brings home about 650 every two weeks. That's about 1400 a month. Our rent alone is 1200 and we have cheap rent. Car insurance, internet, cell phone, cable, power and that is an additional 500 dollars. So without including gas and food and parkway fare, we are already at 1700 in expenses and only 1400 in income.

And if we eliminated the cable and reduced our cell expenses our monthly expenses would still be 1500.


I live in the midwest. The living wage for a single person who is able to work is probably around $7/hr. I make $13/hr and I don't want for anything. Though I'm considered reasonably poor.

The amount a family has to make to survive/live though, is $0/hr. The amount of social/welfare programs is astounding. A family with one breadwinner making the minimum wage is better off not getting another job, or even just quitting their single job.
 
2012-05-28 09:49:26 PM  
Workers in America are facing a bleaker and bleaker future.

Children, grow up to be a war profiteer if you want to succeed.

Happy Memorial Day!
 
2012-05-28 09:54:38 PM  

intelligent comment below: dmars: I am curious on which point was I unclear on because I am not seeing where the confusion lies.


The confusion being nobody gives a fark if you use the mail or not or what you get in it, it's that it is so vital to the economy especially areas in rural locations. But keep rambling nonsense. Your uneducated opinion is so valuable.


So I can't opt out because it will ruin to the economy?

Joking aside, I never stated we should get rid of the post office.

You are probably taking the most umbrage with my first statement "What services are they providing that is necessary?" which I thought would be recognized for the hyperbole that it is.

The rest of my post is just a point on how I would like to opt out of their services and is the main direction of my comment.

You are misinterpreting my statements and getting unnecessarily negative over a small matter.


i129.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-28 09:57:57 PM  

dmars: You are misinterpreting my statements and getting unnecessarily negative over a small matter.



You went on a childish rant about junk mail just because you don't use the post office often. Yes you can opt out, go move to another country.
 
2012-05-28 10:13:19 PM  

NFA: Goodfella: The policy requiring them to fund the retirement for the next half dozen generations, something no other governmental public or private organization is asked to do does, is costing the country 13,000 good jobs in a time when our top goal as a country is supposedly to be creating more jobs.

This is nothing but an effort by the GOP to privatize our mail system. While our competitors like China are giving their companies free shipping around the world, our Congress want's to do away with our mail system and have UPS and FEDEX get all the business. Keep in mind UPS now says they no longer ship electronics with lithium batteries overseas. So in other other words our competitors like China will ship a new battery or my phone for $1 with free shipping from half way around the world. But the top shipping company in the nation won't ship my phone with the battery to China for any price.

This is a big f*ck you to our trade deficit.


The way that the international mail system works is if you send something to china, via USPS, you are paying them to ship it to customs in China. China delivers the item to its deistination for "free", or a "fee" that is paid by the buyer, like a tarrif. Now if the guy in China sends you something, he is paying the Chinese Postal System to deliver the item to the United States Customs house, and the Untied States Postal Service delivers it to you for "free". Basically the Chinese Governmnet is deeply discounting or giving away the shipping to the US customs house and the US Postal Service picks up the tab on delivering those parcels to us.

China is doing this so their merchants can sell direct like on eBay or Alibaba and go around the US Middlemen like Walmart or a US base eBay Seller or Merchant.

But we all are going to pay for this "free" china shipping, with higher postage from the Post Office
 
2012-05-28 10:17:52 PM  

dlp211: dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world

Yes, screw them for getting paid a living wage for providing a service that is necessary for our society to continue to function. The cost per person was approx. $28, we give more per person to the Oil industry. Also considering it could be significantly less if Congress wasn't mucking things up, your anger is misdirected.


These are government low/no/clarical skill jobs, they by definition SHOULD be minimum wage. Also our government should not be giving any money for any reason to any industry. Sorry to burst your bubble but not everyone see things left vs. right or white vs black

Grow up, grow a pair and pull your head out of your own ass
 
2012-05-28 10:20:30 PM  

farkityfarker: Workers in America are facing a bleaker and bleaker future.

Children, grow up to be a war profiteer if you want to succeed.

Happy Memorial Day!


No, grow up to be self sufficient and don't depend on any employer for any sort of "job security". Be your own boss, not a slave to some assclown who only wants to make sure he still has a job when the shiat hits the fan.
 
2012-05-28 10:29:29 PM  

dantheman195: dlp211: dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world

Yes, screw them for getting paid a living wage for providing a service that is necessary for our society to continue to function. The cost per person was approx. $28, we give more per person to the Oil industry. Also considering it could be significantly less if Congress wasn't mucking things up, your anger is misdirected.

These are government low/no/clarical skill jobs, they by definition SHOULD be minimum wage. Also our government should not be giving any money for any reason to any industry. Sorry to burst your bubble but not everyone see things left vs. right or white vs black

Grow up, grow a pair and pull your head out of your own ass


Well we know you aren't qualified. And not everyone can be their own boss. Economies don't work that way hot shot.
 
2012-05-28 10:59:10 PM  

dantheman195: No, grow up to be self sufficient and don't depend on any employer for any sort of "job security". Be your own boss, not a slave to some assclown who only wants to make sure he still has a job when the shiat hits the fan.



Conservatives have run small businesses out of town to make way for mega corps.

But your solution to the economy is small business?

That's circular logic if I've ever seen it.
 
2012-05-28 11:56:56 PM  

dlp211: Lt_Ryan: dlp211: dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world

Yes, screw them for getting paid a living wage for providing a service that is necessary for our society to continue to function. The cost per person was approx. $28, we give more per person to the Oil industry. Also considering it could be significantly less if Congress wasn't mucking things up, your anger is misdirected.

They make work for an entity that provides a necessary service but the fact that the entity can shed 45,000 employees and still function means that they are not necessary. The reason this started was because the unions have set up no layoff contracts, combined with plummeting mail volume this created an overstaffed issue.

Living wage ~$13 in the US, USPS wage ~$21-$24.

That might be the living wage for a single person in the midwest. Here in the northeast my wife makes 13 and change an hour. After her healthcare premiums are paid she brings home about 650 every two weeks. That's about 1400 a month. Our rent alone is 1200 and we have cheap rent. Car insurance, internet, cell phone, cable, power and that is an additional 500 dollars. So without including gas and food and parkway fare, we are already at 1700 in expenses and only 1400 in income.

And if we eliminated the cable and reduced our cell expenses our monthly expenses would still be 1500.


Midwest and $1200 for rent is cheap? That's expensive for the Midwest.
 
2012-05-28 11:57:33 PM  

intelligent comment below: dantheman195: No, grow up to be self sufficient and don't depend on any employer for any sort of "job security". Be your own boss, not a slave to some assclown who only wants to make sure he still has a job when the shiat hits the fan.


Conservatives have run small businesses out of town to make way for mega corps.

But your solution to the economy is small business?

That's circular logic if I've ever seen it.


No it is not the entire solution but a proposal to the people who want to lead their children into the right direction. The old "go to college to get a good job" schtick is working anymore. Too many degrees, not enough jobs, and the old "work at the plant, like the old man" has been dead for decades for now. Small business is not the solution to all the economic ills, just like raising or lowering taxes isn't going to fix everything either. But it is a start into the right direction.
 
2012-05-29 12:07:04 AM  

dlp211: dantheman195: dlp211: dantheman195: Dissolve the union, and fire them, sorry no concessions for you, welcome to the real world

Yes, screw them for getting paid a living wage for providing a service that is necessary for our society to continue to function. The cost per person was approx. $28, we give more per person to the Oil industry. Also considering it could be significantly less if Congress wasn't mucking things up, your anger is misdirected.

These are government low/no/clarical skill jobs, they by definition SHOULD be minimum wage. Also our government should not be giving any money for any reason to any industry. Sorry to burst your bubble but not everyone see things left vs. right or white vs black

Grow up, grow a pair and pull your head out of your own ass

Well we know you aren't qualified. And not everyone can be their own boss. Economies don't work that way hot shot.


Good, I have better things to do with my life than to be someones secretary. But if that is your life's calling, go for it. But don't whine and biatch that it isn't a high paying job.

I remember watching a few episodes of the Apprentice and they would do those in show interviews of the contestants and they all are gleaming over how great it would be to work for Mr. Trump and all the great luxaries they would have. Well no one told these dipshiats that they are just an employee of Mr. Trump and all of those things are his and the only way you are going to get them is to compete for them by creating your own company and crush that rodent wearing spoiled brat at his own game. But in fantasy land, all employees of Mr.Trump get their own personal helicopters, a jet and a 3 floor penthouse in Manhattan.

So what are you? A industry leader? Innovator? Small Business Owner? Or just another 9-5 schlep who hopes he isn't on the list of the next round of lay-offs?
 
2012-05-29 12:12:29 AM  

cig-mkr: If the Postal Service didn't have to fund the retirement for their great grandchildren they would be making a profit.
None of this crap wouldn't be happening. Besides, the Government shouldn't be making a profit.


Well hello there, stranger! I see you got yourself a fine 'ol statement of principle there, what for the swingin' about at figments. Sit a spell and let me tell you about the United States for-profit prison system. It's a whopper of a tale, full o' avarice, rape, intrigue, romance, murder and rape, like to get your hackles up like a untreated schizophrenic shackled to a bed in their own shiat on your dime! Whooo-eee it's a good'un!
 
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