That's just ridiculous. How can the average common voter support this insanity?

/Simple farmers. People of the land. The common clay of the new West?

Confabulat: Let's find the stupidest people in the world and wonder why they're so poor and live in a flat dirty shiathole filled with nothing but corn and idiots for miles and miles in every direction.

My grandmother grew up there during the 40's and her parents were german immigrants,1934 actually. But anyways she was one of the most racist people I've known and I've had a bipolar guy do a full on nazi salute in my living room. The weirdest thing? She was a holocaust denier which caused quite a bit of issues with a great,great uncle of mine. He liberated one of the camps and when I was a kid I never understood why his wife would be in the kitchen sitting at the table just chatting up a storm with my grandma and he'd be sitting in the living room looking kinda pissed. All that went away when I learned the other bits of info as an adult.

/Boring,weird story sis
//Kansas sounds like shiathole even compared to southeast Ky.

Income of professionals - such as doctors, lawyers, architects, and accountants - practicing in partnerships will be tax-free. In a law firm, for example, the partners will pay no tax, while the clerical staff will continue on the tax rolls.

This is a farking joke, right? Please?

Gwendolyn: Jesus Christ. Income of professionals - such as doctors, lawyers, architects, and accountants - practicing in partnerships will be tax-free. In a law firm, for example, the partners will pay no tax, while the clerical staff will continue on the tax rolls. But they'll cut education spending to make up the $4.5 BILLION loss in revenue.

Brilliant!

The serfs should form their own corporations and be independent contractors for their former employers that way they get to pay no taxes as well.

The only advantage here is that this is about as close to a GOP wonderland as we'll see unless a state secededs. In 2 or 3 years we can point to a dystopian Kansas and show what GOP policies really lead to.

adamgreeney: In 2 or 3 years we can point to a dystopian Kansas and show what GOP policies really lead to.

They'll just say it's all liberals fault.

GAT_00: adamgreeney: In 2 or 3 years we can point to a dystopian Kansas and show what GOP policies really lead to.

They'll just say it's all liberals fault.

The stalwart and duped? Sure. Those that benefit? Sure. But the emperical evidence will probably be enough to sway those with even basic reasoning.

But the tried and true Republicans? They'll blame the fed.

Way to go, Kansas.

Mentat: Walker: Nope. It's what happens when you have Republicans in charge and a batsh*t insane Governor who used to live in a building designated as a church in DC when he was a Senator, and washed a staffer's feet, because Jesus did that for his disciples.

And do you know what the best part is? They actually had to pull back on their original tax plan because of resistance from other Republicans in the legislature who were concerned about the potential revenue drop. That's right, this is the compromise plan.

This doesn't make sense, if they are concerned about any revenue drop it shows they're not complete imbeciles and it shows they're not deliberately trying to bankrupt the state, so why do this ludicrous measure which is still slightly imbecilic and will bankrupt the state?

Trying to understand the GOP is very difficult.

Kansas is just the lab rat for what the GOP wants to implement for the entire country.

It's just a swirling mass of bloodied feathers now

NewportBarGuy: Yes, but the Job Creators will bring 10,000,000 new jobs to Kansas! Just wait!

This IS what Republicans actually believe, along with:

gimmegimme: Let's not be so hasty, folks. Now the job creators will flock to Kansas!

Brownback just signed a law banning Sharia too...you know, because the 3 Muslims living in Kansas might meet up at a Chi-Fil-A and get ideas.

And this is what the GOP wants for the nation.

What the actual fark?

Oh, this will be a wonderful experiment! Let's see how it turns out!

/note to self: underline, bold, and add a few more exclamation marks to your previous 'Stay away from Kansas!!!' note

fark Brownback and his Koch sucking ways.

not this again.

signed on Tuesday.

old news is SO exciting.

Just now I was thinking how sad it would be if Obama lost to Mitt.

Then I see this article, showing the kind of people who would vote him out.

:-(

Zalan: Gwendolyn: Jesus Christ. Income of professionals - such as doctors, lawyers, architects, and accountants - practicing in partnerships will be tax-free. In a law firm, for example, the partners will pay no tax, while the clerical staff will continue on the tax rolls. But they'll cut education spending to make up the $4.5 BILLION loss in revenue.

Brilliant!

The serfs should form their own corporations and be independent contractors for their former employers that way they get to pay no taxes as well.

Unions (what you are describing, essentially) will soon be illegal. See Wisconsin.

Slaxl: This doesn't make sense, if they are concerned about any revenue drop it shows they're not complete imbeciles and it shows they're not deliberately trying to bankrupt the state, so why do this ludicrous measure which is still slightly imbecilic and will bankrupt the state?

Trying to understand the GOP is very difficult.

ideology is a helluva drug.

You know that a bill full of tax cuts is a bad idea when you can't convince every Republican in the legislature to support that bill.

/I hate my state so very much

And how much federal revenue will be poured into Kansas to compensate for the loss of services from this idiocy?

Taxes are the price you pay for a civilized society.

gimmegimme: Well, at least Kansas will shoot up one chart:

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chart is stupid.

how can a state be republican or democrat? Did they declare their party affiliation? How?

I thought people are either republican or democrat?

I've been listening to lectures on feudal europe, so I'm getting a....

no, it's still sad.

Good. Maybe they can be an object lesson to the rest of us.

gimmegimme: Well, at least Kansas will shoot up one chart:

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They already have a talking point chambered for this one too (Notice Alaska at #3 despike being "mavericky"). Something about the Federal Government imposing all sorts of horrible regulations that prevent the recovery of natural resources and economic independence.

Don't try and shame the true patriot with charts. It only increases their desire to have coal slag in their drinking water and Jesus on the $1 bill.

Everyone who is smart enough, will incorporate and become a consultant for your old job


They could have eliminated the state income tax for everyone, like Nevada, but out of spite they laid it on the backs of the working man


So untaxed income goes all the way terugh the corporation until it gets to the file clerk and then he pays all the taxes

Oh and your property taxes are going to rise, you know, if there is another tornado, since you live in Tornado alley and all.

I can't wait until the red states devolve into true third-world cesspools of poverty. That way I can go slumming on the weekends without having to go all the way to Mexico.

Confabulat: I WANT to pay higher taxes just to piss off Republicans. Screw you, Wal-Mart, I'd rather give it to a silly gopher tortoise study in Indiantown than another pillow or clock or whatever you morans try to sell people.

Funny that you say that. I was on http://www.petridish.org/ the other day (basically Kickstarter for science projects) and there's a study requesting funding to examine gopher tortoise burrows.

"Inevitably, there will be major reductions in the government services Kansans have come to expect - especially education."


I call BS. Since when did Kansas start spending money on education?

Lando Lincoln: Well, let's think about this:

Poor people are too damn poor to pull up stakes and move elsewhere, so they'll take it in the ass just like the Kansas GOP wants them to.

Rich doctors will seriously consider moving to Kansas.

Nurses and other medical staff will say, "fark this shiat - I can get a job anywhere in the country" and move away.

And everybody else will go ahead and just put Kansas on the list where moving is simply not an option, drying up any attempts for 'job creators!' to bring in more people to provide a wider tax base. And those who will suffer the most from this will just get more angry and vote Republican because they'll be too stupid to actually know how they farked themselves.

At this point the GOP is just going state-by-state to create new third worlds. I imagine Kansas will be proud to have a job, even if it's $5 an hour.

Krymson Tyde: "Who will still be paying Kansas income tax? Only three groups: 1) employees, 2) some retirees and 3) individuals whose investments are so modest that they cannot afford to create a trust or partnership to shelter their investment income."

If Kansas wants to volunteer itself as a petri dish for undiluted Republican genius, why don't the rest of us in the other 49 states put everything on hold for a few years until we can see how this works out for them?

Confabulat

I WANT to pay higher taxes just to piss off Republicans. Screw you, Wal-Mart, I'd rather give it to a silly gopher tortoise study in Indiantown than another pillow or clock or whatever you morans try to sell people.


You're kind of stuck on the ol' gopher tortoise thing, arentcha?

plus....if you want to pay extra I believe the IRS will accept a check from you at any time - think of it as a gift to help the country......oh, unless of course, you are just saying you want to pay more to make some kind of dim point.

Kansas. The heartland NOT the brainland. I have always wanted to visit a third world country, I never thought I would just have to hop across the Canadian border to the US.

tenpoundsofcheese: not this again.

signed on Tuesday.

old news is SO exciting.

I didnt see it on Tuesday, which is surprising as this is absolutely batshiat insane.

I mean lawyers paying no tax while their receptionists do? Utterly bonkers.

Of course the irony is that your average Kansas inbred will as things get worse and worse over time simply blame the liberals, socialists, Obama, etc.. etc..

I could give a rat's ass, except that I live in one of those states that pays to support these inbred losers. So yeah, when they vote this crap in why don't they also vote a measure in that would insure they take LESS Federal assistance.

I initially assumed subby was just being dramatic, but after reading the article...Holy shiat.

Republican Paradise.

An exploitable uneducated populace with a tax free ruling class that they are part of.

Confabulat: I mean, seriously, think of one moral standing of the Republican Party.

Then think of anything good and decent you learned from Mr. Rogers.

See if you can find anything in common, at all.

...and yet the "holiest" among them try to argue that atheists have no morals.

I'd rather have no morals than your morals, mate.

Dang.....with this added to the anti-Sharia law Brownback signed this week, Kansas may be nudging up close to Arizona here....

karnal: Confabulat

I WANT to pay higher taxes just to piss off Republicans. Screw you, Wal-Mart, I'd rather give it to a silly gopher tortoise study in Indiantown than another pillow or clock or whatever you morans try to sell people.


You're kind of stuck on the ol' gopher tortoise thing, arentcha?

plus....if you want to pay extra I believe the IRS will accept a check from you at any time - think of it as a gift to help the country......oh, unless of course, you are just saying you want to pay more to make some kind of dim point.

This is the second thread I've noticed you making a particularly idiotic comment towards Confabulat in...

And it vexed me so terribly I came out of lurking to point it out.

You should stop talking and go away, as you contribute nothing. Thanks.

Kansas: If you're not a wealthy Christian, then fark you.

Gwendolyn: Jesus Christ. Income of professionals - such as doctors, lawyers, architects, and accountants - practicing in partnerships will be tax-free. In a law firm, for example, the partners will pay no tax, while the clerical staff will continue on the tax rolls. But they'll cut education spending to make up the $4.5 BILLION loss in revenue.

Brilliant!



That's one of the fun things about having all these 57 states: its like a laboratory of fail.

Let the insane states practice their craziness and fall flat on their face while states like mine kick back and keep on churning out new inventions and college graduates and jobs galore.

"Kansas government relies on three taxes: property, sales and income. Property and sales taxes are regressive in the sense that a lower-income person pays more of these taxes as a percent of income than does a higher-income person. The new income tax will be dramatically regressive. Low- and moderate-income workers will remain on the tax rolls. Meanwhile, wealthy Kansans will readily escape the tax, and many prosperous (but not wealthy) Kansans will be able to evade the tax as well. Beginning in 2013, the Kansas tax system will be among the most regressive in the nation.


On second thought, it might be a good place to start a business so we can exploit all the poor people of Kansas. There are some business models that will work well under this arrangement. It will be like an extremist's version of Delaware.

Somacandra: I understand that the author is a professor of tax law, specializing in estate and bankruptcy taxation. If this is an accurate summary of the new taxation regime, its hard to imagine Kansas sustaining itself in terms of basic services--police, fire, education, road maintenance, national guard as well as state regulatory and licensing services. Also, this means that abortion providers wouldn't pay any taxes either, except perhaps the receptionist. I'm not sure Kansans will accept all this.

It's not an entirely honest portrayal of the effect of this. Professionals sill have to pay some income tax even if they are in a partnership or S-Corp. The only tax that Kansas removed is on that portion of the income that is attributable to being a business profit. The portion that is attributable to the services that the owner personally performs (wages) is still taxed. While owners do set their own salaries (and thus could make them artificially low to avoid taxation), there are objective standards that the IRS uses to determine whether or not the salary is a reasonable one. If they feel it is not, they will adjust the owners figures accordingly.

On one hand I'm like

GOOD! Let their idiot constituents suffer for the government they voted in.

But what will really happen is that the people hurt by these taxes will protest the Federal government raising taxes which will get put out there by the Lamestream MSM media as "DEMOCRATS BAD"!!!

Is this the new red state things? Tax the crap out of people at the state level (so much so that it negatively affects a huge number of voters on both sides of the aisle) so that they'll come together and protest the Federal government? Sure seems like it.

In other words, property taxes in Kansas will make living in New York look cheap, drivers licenses $300, $2000 to register a new car, $100/year wheel taxes, $400 speeding tickets, giant student fee and tuition increases at KU and K State, and fees to use the library.

It's pretty f*cking ridiculous these asshats don't realize that cutting government services' budgets doesn't make the demand for those services go away.

Wow, my state Oklahoma isn't even this stupid, the proposed massive tax cut here didn't pass. Thank FSM.

Kanemano: but out of spite they laid it on the backs of the working man

are the tax rates going up for the working man or are they just paying what they paid before?

One of the issues the leading up to Civil War was whether Kansas should be a free state or a slave state.

The Union victory decided this as "free".

The Kansas legislature has now reversed this and thinks the lower economic classes should be enslaved to support the rich. Well at least this time slavery is not defined along purely racial lines.

Confabulat: Let's find the stupidest people in the world and wonder why they're so poor and live in a flat dirty shiathole filled with nothing but corn and idiots for miles and miles in every direction.

That would be Nebraska.

We've got nothing but wheat and idiots for miles and miles in every direction once you get past Lawrence.

They also just redistricted the state to move the only blue coutnty in northeast Kansas to western Kansas... Stay classy GOP!

FTFA: the act dramatically changes the Kansas tax system, shifting the income tax burden from the wealthy and prosperous to working people....
Who will still be paying Kansas income tax? Only three groups: 1) employees, 2) some retirees and 3) individuals whose investments are so modest that they cannot afford to create a trust or partnership to shelter their investment income.

I actually can almost respect this. Unlike most, at least THESE Republicans don't even try and pretend they give a shiat about anyone except the rich and big businesses.

All right, sis, time to move out of Kansas. Bring your husband and kids.

Lando Lincoln: Let's try that again:

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That can. Pick it up

This is going to create so many jobs. Just wait.

Lost Thought 00: And before you know it, all the Randian idealists, the self-proclaimed John Galts, will find themselves in a strange situation as there no longer are any janitors to pick up the trash, no one stocking grocery stores, and no one left who wants to consume their "professional services" as everyone else has moved across the border.

Not to mention that the now unmaintained roads will be largely washed away, so the few employees they have won't be able to get to work consistently. Oh, and now that the police force has been downsized, they're going to have to hire private security to protect them from the very desperate, angry, and armed gangs of young men walking the streets.

The people of Kansas deserve the government they voted for. F*ck'em.

Lost Thought 00: And before you know it, all the Randian idealists, the self-proclaimed John Galts, will find themselves in a strange situation as there no longer are any janitors to pick up the trash, no one stocking grocery stores, and no one left who wants to consume their "professional services" as everyone else has moved across the border.



Lets see what is likely to happen here in the long term as a result of this jackasserey:


Rich pay no taxes while middle class and poor likely pay higher taxes and while services across the state are slashed >> lower quality of life for middle class and poor >> middle class and poor leave the state in droves >> professional services need to increase wages to attract janitors, teachers, garbage men and auto repair dudes >> costs for professional services increase as a result >> middle class quality of life still sucks because there are still no tax dollars to pay for public services AND because they cannot afford professional services due to increased costs >> middle class and poor continue to leave the state, leaving it a Ayn Randian Going Gault paradise where the rich have no one to hire so they are out mowing their own lawns, performing surgery on themselves, fixing their own cars, and cleaning their own houses.

Emposter: I actually can almost respect this. Unlike most, at least THESE Republicans don't even try and pretend they give a shiat about anyone except the rich and big businesses.

yeah, cutting the lowest tax rate for individuals from 3.5% to 3% is BAD for the poor.

Also lowering the state sales tax is bad for the poor.

bad, bad, bad.

This plan is two-fold: KS has a balanced budget amendment, so the revenue shortfalls must be compensated for by slashing services. The stage is already being set by the local knee-jerks for assigning blame when (not if, but when) this plan explodes into a spectacular failure: the sunsetting of the Bush-era tax cuts. Brownback came out and publically announced that something like 20K jobs will be created by 2018 as a direct result of this tax policy, but blame is already being assigned to the Obama administration for when these jobs don't come to fruition. Counties are going to have to bump their ad valorem property and sales taxes to compensate for the shortfalls, but even these measures won't come close to addressing the tangled knot that this clusterfark is going to create.

I say, firebomb this state. Let the GOP have their way with it in every way they possibly want: abortion, regulation, tax policy, gutting state services. Let this state become the petri dish for the rest of the nation to examine and say "well, it was a good run conservatives, but now we'll let the adults handle things."

I'm all for this. It's not my state.

Slaxl: That's just ridiculous. How can the average common voter support this insanity?

/Simple farmers. People of the land. The common clay of the new West?

There is no place in north america where farmers form a majority of the electorate. I'll thank you to stop slandering us.

Lost Thought 00: And before you know it, all the Randian idealists, the self-proclaimed John Galts, will find themselves in a strange situation as there no longer are any janitors to pick up the trash, no one stocking grocery stores, and no one left who wants to consume their "professional services" as everyone else has moved across the border.

Sometimes, folks get pissed. Sometimes, folks get real pissed. I am hoping this is the latter scenario, cause this is something to be real pissed about. Services will be decimated, in particular education which is essential to social mobility.

Cataholic: Somacandra: I understand that the author is a professor of tax law, specializing in estate and bankruptcy taxation. If this is an accurate summary of the new taxation regime, its hard to imagine Kansas sustaining itself in terms of basic services--police, fire, education, road maintenance, national guard as well as state regulatory and licensing services. Also, this means that abortion providers wouldn't pay any taxes either, except perhaps the receptionist. I'm not sure Kansans will accept all this.

It's not an entirely honest portrayal of the effect of this. Professionals sill have to pay some income tax even if they are in a partnership or S-Corp. The only tax that Kansas removed is on that portion of the income that is attributable to being a business profit. The portion that is attributable to the services that the owner personally performs (wages) is still taxed. While owners do set their own salaries (and thus could make them artificially low to avoid taxation), there are objective standards that the IRS uses to determine whether or not the salary is a reasonable one. If they feel it is not, they will adjust the owners figures accordingly.

The audit rate is about 1%. 5% on the highest tax brackets.

Wanna know who taught me that?

The author of this bill.

I'll have to ask him why he wrote it.

Rapmaster2000: I'm all for this. It's not my state.

Reap what you vote for IMO.

Finally, a Fair Tax which rewards initiative, and punishes sloth. Don't want to pay an income tax? Become a Job Creator.

Zalan: The serfs should form their own corporations and be independent contractors for their former employers that way they get to pay no taxes as well.

It costs about 200 bucks to form a corp. I think you're onto something here.

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Well, at least Kansas will shoot up one chart:

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chart is stupid.

how can a state be republican or democrat? Did they declare their party affiliation? How?

I thought people are either republican or democrat?

It says, right at the top of the chart that states were designated red or blue by results of the 2004 Presidential election. Of course, you knew that, but you wanted to pretend the chart didn't say anything. Also, 3 of the four red states that give more than they get turned blue in 2008.

Wow so Kansas has gone full derp. Dude you never go full derp. First the anti-abortion bill, then the Sharia law bill and now this one. Shiat Kansas is so bad now Dorthy is looking for a tornado back to Oz.

Goodfella: Rich pay no taxes while middle class and poor likely pay higher taxes

the tax rate for the poor went down from 3.5% to 3% and the sales tax went down.

Try again.

crab66: Republican Paradise.

An exploitable uneducated populace with a tax free ruling class that they are part of.



This

anybody who denies this is the long term plan of the GOP and it's 100-200 Billionaire funders is either a moron or diluted enough to think they'll be a billionaire someday too.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: So when every doctor, lawyer, etc. moves to Kansas to open a firm and finds that there are no clients that can afford their services nor educated workers to staff their offices -- what happens?

Sure, it will be a golden age for cable advertisers who will have a metric asston of "Have you been run over by a combine? Call 1-800-CORN-LAW!" commercials to sell...for a while.

I read that in the voice of Cave Johnson

A thank you gift for the poor and middle class in Kansas:


Eat up.

Vangor: Sometimes, folks get pissed. Sometimes, folks get real pissed. I am hoping this is the latter scenario, cause this is something to be real pissed about. Services will be decimated, in particular education which is essential to social mobility.

Bingo.

Our lower education system has been pretty damned good for decades. Depresses the hell out of me to see people turn on it.

The GOP is just farking their own grandkids in the name of sticking it to the liberals.

Don't Troll Me Bro!: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Well, at least Kansas will shoot up one chart:

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chart is stupid.

how can a state be republican or democrat? Did they declare their party affiliation? How?

I thought people are either republican or democrat?

It says, right at the top of the chart that states were designated red or blue by results of the 2004 Presidential election. Of course, you knew that, but you wanted to pretend the chart didn't say anything. Also, 3 of the four red states that give more than they get turned blue in 2008.

It is a meaningless, political, label.

There is a difference between a state that voted 75% for one party vs. a state that voted 50.1% for one party. But in this chart they would be the same.

Income of professionals

define professionals. If a fast food clerk forms an LLC do they pay taxes?

how can a state be republican or democrat? Did they declare their party affiliation? How?

That's easy!
A state can be considered democrat or republican based on the ruling party elected to their state government.
My turn
How can a corporation have religion? How can Obamacare violate freedom of religion when corporations can't, in and of themselves, believe anything?

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Well, at least Kansas will shoot up one chart:

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chart is stupid.

how can a state be republican or democrat? Did they declare their party affiliation? How?

I thought people are either republican or democrat?

Did you even read the words on the chart. It explains it right there.

AcneVulgaris: Zalan: The serfs should form their own corporations and be independent contractors for their former employers that way they get to pay no taxes as well.

It costs about 200 bucks to form a corp. I think you're onto something here.

First thing you need to do is to get your employer to agree to this.
Then you need to figure out where you are going to get health insurance from.

gimmegimme: Well, at least Kansas will shoot up one chart:

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Is there any update for this? I see the data is from 2005.

Lol. Made it through 50 posts of dumb liberal posts, none realizing that there is already a state without any income tax, and doing pretty well to boot. Are you liberals truly this idiotic?

tenpoundsofcheese: It is a meaningless, political, label.

There is a difference between a state that voted 75% for one party vs. a state that voted 50.1% for one party. But in this chart they would be the same.

Will someone PLEASE save this the next time tenpoundsofcheese goes off on one of his rants about Democrats?

Confabulat: I WANT to pay higher taxes just to piss off Republicans. Screw you, Wal-Mart, I'd rather give it to a silly gopher tortoise study in Indiantown than another pillow or clock or whatever you morans try to sell people.

To be fair, Republicans want YOU to pay higher taxes so they don't have to. Well, at least the Republicans who make over $250K per year shouldn't have to pay taxes. The poor Republicans should pay a higher rate. And people who work minimum wage jobs should definitely pay more taxes. And, the minimum wage should be lower, if not eliminated entirely.

Of course, the poor people are not going to be able to afford stuff like food, clothing, or education. But thngs will still work out. They can sign their lives over to some rich person or corporation. They can sign their children over, too. Instead of working for money, they will work for shelter, food, and what ever niceties their - well, lets call them "masters" - masters choose to give. Now, these lucky folks will not have to pay a dime in taxes because they will not have any money. The really nice thing is that they won't have to worry about finding someone to love because their masters will decide who belongs together based on who will create the best workers. (This is also why the ghey is so bad. No new workers.) And these happy couples will not have to worry about too many children, because the masters will be able to trade children for better workers.

So, see? Everything is going to work out.

MyRandomName: Lol. Made it through 50 posts of dumb liberal posts, none realizing that there is already a state without any income tax, and doing pretty well to boot. Are you liberals truly this idiotic?

tenpoundsofcheese didn't notice, either. I'm guessing he's now an idiotic liberal?

I dunno, it's really hard not to just giggle. The GOP isn't exactly secretive about what it wants to do. Is anyone who pays any damn attention shocked by this?

Keep on votin GOP Kansas. You're gettin what you deserve. For the rest who didn't vote for those doucebags in power, just farking move already.

LeoffDaGrate: tenpoundsofcheese: It is a meaningless, political, label.

There is a difference between a state that voted 75% for one party vs. a state that voted 50.1% for one party. But in this chart they would be the same.

Will someone PLEASE save this the next time tenpoundsofcheese goes off on one of his rants about Democrats?

are you unable to save this? you can use cut and paste.

I have no idea what you are talking about but since you seem unable to save a simple post, I don't think what you say is relevant.

They can absorb the education cuts. I mean they only need one textbook at this point don't they.


/If it ain't in the bible, then it ain't real to me.

gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: Goodfella: Rich pay no taxes while middle class and poor likely pay higher taxes

the tax rate for the poor went down from 3.5% to 3% and the sales tax went down.

Try again.

While you're looking at the information, did the people who voted for this bill offer to take a pay cut?

I don't know.
Did 0bama offer to take a pay cut after passing his tax cuts last year?

Somebody* just got Trolled

*in this case, another state. I don't know how much of America is aware of how many states this (the trolling) has happened to since 2010. I know New Hampshire has, with the Legislature going almost completely goofball crazy. Maine has, Wisconsin has, Arizona certiainly has, Florida,now Kansas, which comes as little surprise.
Are there any other states that have had this level of Durp driven policy making or at least an attempt at it.

:: reads headline ::

Oh c'mon it can't be that bad..

:: clicks link, reads article ::

I.....I....there....there are no words....

LeoffDaGrate: MyRandomName: Lol. Made it through 50 posts of dumb liberal posts, none realizing that there is already a state without any income tax, and doing pretty well to boot. Are you liberals truly this idiotic?

tenpoundsofcheese didn't notice, either. I'm guessing he's now an idiotic liberal?

wut? you want me to state the obvious?

Who will still be paying Kansas income tax? Only three groups: 1) employees, 2) some retirees and 3) individuals whose investments are so modest that they cannot afford to create a trust or partnership to shelter their investment income.

In other news, ships seen leaving a sinking rat.

silly troll: Goodfella: Rich pay no taxes while middle class and poor likely pay higher taxes

the tax rate for the poor went down from 3.5% to 3% and the sales tax went down.

Try again.



Historically, taxes are later increased after politicians wake up and realize that running a state/country costs money.

Case in point:



lrn2history

The tragic thing is that GHW Bush doing this was proof positive that he was more responsible and looking out for the long term good of America more than his idiot son ever would. The fact that he was (at least a slightly) responsible person destroyed him politically. And his base has only gotten more insane since then.

Its going to be fun watching Kansas break down and fall apart further over the next several years. It is horrifying knowing that a reactionary neanderthal like Sam Brownshirt Brownback was ever given authority over an entire state. Hearing stories just as funny as hearing how Georgia had millions of dollars in crops rotting away in its fields because there was no one left to pick the fruit, driven out of the state via its new Papers Please laws, but coming from Kansas now. Good entertainment value for the rest of us.

amishkarl: Slaxl: That's just ridiculous. How can the average common voter support this insanity?

/Simple farmers. People of the land. The common clay of the new West?

There is no place in north america where farmers form a majority of the electorate. I'll thank you to stop slandering us.

Sorry, nothing will stop me making Blazing Saddles references.

tenpoundsofcheese: Emposter: I actually can almost respect this. Unlike most, at least THESE Republicans don't even try and pretend they give a shiat about anyone except the rich and big businesses.

yeah, cutting the lowest tax rate for individuals from 3.5% to 3% is BAD for the poor.

Also lowering the state sales tax is bad for the poor.

bad, bad, bad.

What schools do poor people go to?

How are those schools funded?

Goodfella: silly troll: Goodfella: Rich pay no taxes while middle class and poor likely pay higher taxes

the tax rate for the poor went down from 3.5% to 3% and the sales tax went down.

Try again.



Historically, taxes are later increased after politicians wake up and realize that running a state/country costs money.

Case in point:

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lrn2history

The tragic thing is that GHW Bush doing this was proof positive that he was more responsible and looking out for the long term good of America more than his idiot son ever would. The fact that he was (at least a slightly) responsible person destroyed him politically. And his base has only gotten more insane since then.

Its going to be fun watching Kansas break down and fall apart further over the next several years. It is horrifying knowing that a reactionary neanderthal like Sam Brownshirt Brownback was ever given authority over an entire state. Hearing stories just as funny as hearing how Georgia had millions of dollars in crops rotting away in its fields because there was no one left to pick the fruit, driven out of the state via its new Papers Please laws, but coming from Kansas now. Good entertainment value for the rest of us.

I keep seeing this, "haw haw, look at them derpers," but look at your example. Georgia has crops rotting away in the fields due to their stupid immigration laws. That's food that isn't being sold and is going to waste. That means less food going to market and prices are going higher. That's an indirect effect of Georgia's stupidity affecting everybody else. That's why we shouldn't just be laughing at Kansas. We should be pissed. Their stupidity is going to appeal to other state legislatures and the economic effects of Kansas' idiocy will appear in other ways.

largedon: They can absorb the education cuts. I mean they only need one textbook at this point don't they.
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/If it ain't in the bible, then it ain't real to me.

tenpoundsofcheese: LeoffDaGrate: MyRandomName: Lol. Made it through 50 posts of dumb liberal posts, none realizing that there is already a state without any income tax, and doing pretty well to boot. Are you liberals truly this idiotic?

tenpoundsofcheese didn't notice, either. I'm guessing he's now an idiotic liberal?

wut? you want me to state the obvious?

Do we ever?

LouDobbsAwaaaay: This country is so far gone I don't think it's possible for it to find its way back. Corporate feudalism is inevitable at this point.

That's exactly what I'm fearing, and I'm just hoping that I'm able to get out before it gets too bad. Seriously, between the GOP taking over state after state and pulling this kind of crap, and my now total lack of any patriotic feeling, I am halfway expecting to leave and perhaps renounce my citizenship sometime after I get my next degree. My girlfriend got hers from Cambridge -maybe once we get married we can leverage that into some sort of refugee status in the UK.

Kansas is already a welfare state, receiving $1.10 in federal spending for every $1.00 they put in. They will now put in less and take back more. Kansas is duping the other states.

Mentat: DrD'isInfotainment: *in this case, another state. I don't know how much of America is aware of how many states this (the trolling) has happened to since 2010. I know New Hampshire has, with the Legislature going almost completely goofball crazy. Maine has, Wisconsin has, Arizona certiainly has, Florida,now Kansas, which comes as little surprise.
Are there any other states that have had this level of Durp driven policy making or at least an attempt at it.

Missouri is trying, but the Republican Party has fractured to the point where their supermajorities in the legislature are meaningless.

That's actually a sign of hope for Missouri. If the GOP is too busy derping among itself it's too busy to run the state into the ground.

LarryDan43: Kansas is already a welfare state, receiving $1.10 in federal spending for every $1.00 they put in. They will now put in less and take back more. Kansas is duping the other states.

All this right wing crap in the states will go a lot farther to grow federal government, which is the very thing the right is always b*tching about. If the rest of the US has to constantly prop up low tax red states, then we are all going to have more of a say in how they run their business. Starting with their lousy education standards that "teach the controversy."

Who will still be paying Kansas income tax? Only three groups: 1) employees, 2) some retirees and 3) individuals whose investments are so modest that they cannot afford to create a trust or partnership to shelter their investment income.

Remember lower class folks, you asked for this. All the red states will point to this and follow suit shortly.

All we need now is a caste system.

Kansas is trending toward Online K-12 "education". The Theory is that "Home Schooled" kids can get their GED while their parents work 60-80 hours a week.

These are the same geniuses that gave Boeing 1 BILLION to keep their factories in the state and got nothing in writing. Then Boeing left three months later...

Kansas is a great place to live. If you're a prison guard.

Income of professionals - such as doctors, lawyers, architects, and accountants - practicing in partnerships will be tax-free. In a law firm, for example, the partners will pay no tax, while the clerical staff will continue on the tax rolls.

Kansas voters must really have drank the Kool-Aid if they think this is a good idea.

Yea, perfect. The people most in a position to help an economy (the spending middle class) will either flee or sit on their money. The poor and rich will once again continue their own odd status quo. Look how well farking the middle class is working for California's economy.

Reduce gov't revenues and cut taxes. Awesome. Plus I know a girl there. Just might move to Kansas.

Yes I am from Kansas

No I don't vote for these idiots

Yes this will keep the population stupid so that they keep voting for Republicans

Yes Brownback needs to rot in hell

It will be interesting watching the train wreck. Although my increased tax burden will be a bummer...

Slaxl: amishkarl: Slaxl: That's just ridiculous. How can the average common voter support this insanity?

/Simple farmers. People of the land. The common clay of the new West?

There is no place in north america where farmers form a majority of the electorate. I'll thank you to stop slandering us.

Sorry, nothing will stop me making Blazing Saddles references.

It's twue... it's twue!

tenpoundsofcheese: AcneVulgaris: Zalan: The serfs should form their own corporations and be independent contractors for their former employers that way they get to pay no taxes as well.

It costs about 200 bucks to form a corp. I think you're onto something here.

First thing you need to do is to get your employer to agree to this.
Then you need to figure out where you are going to get health insurance from.

An insurance company?

/is incorporated
//has health insurance

Glad this is getting some attention. This is literally the stupidest tax policy I have ever seen. Pants-on-head retarded. I don't even know what to say.

It is a bit reminiscent of feudal economics. The lower your status, the more taxes you pay. Of course, we all know how well that worked out.

The middle class will disappear from that state so fast your head will spin. Their priorities are education, education, education, and without adequate funding, they will just abandon you.

This is a mind-numbingly bad idea. Way to go, Kansas!

Coming soon to Kansas

The wealthiest individuals in Kansas are now tax-exempt? I presume they're envious of Greece's success with that policy.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Mods are being shiat stains. I see a particular troll (who apparently I am not allowed to name without a form of repercussion I also am not allowed to name) has a very elite, protected status.

Meh. Just like the GOP ruining Kansas, it wouldn't work if the people affected didn't invite it. I've seen trolls on Youtube get less attention than they get here.

A Terrible Human: she was one of the most racist people I've known

My grandma was born and raised in Hutchinson, daughter of French and German immigrants. Racist as hell. When her daughter - my aunt - had just given birth to her biracial baby girl, grandma was in the room trying to convince her to put it up for adoption.

She gave my brother a lecture when he was in high school about how he shouldn't be dating a black girl. Pissed me right off.

She's evolved a bit, but damn.

/css

lennavan: I dunno, it's really hard not to just giggle. The GOP isn't exactly secretive about what it wants to do. Is anyone who pays any damn attention shocked by this?

Keep on votin GOP Kansas. You're gettin what you deserve. For the rest who didn't vote for those doucebags in power, just farking move already.

We are getting what we deserve, actually. We have a vibrant economy, unemployment far below the national average and a much lower tax burden than other more "progressive" states. Yeah, how are those high taxes working for you California? Illinois?

As for the few remaining Democrats in our state? If they moved away tomorrow I highly doubt anybody would notice.

Let's just observe the typical Republican pattern here:

- campaign on low taxes
- make their base pay more taxes (either as an overall proportion of revenues, or a raise generally)
- campaign on low taxes, cutting "government waste" (like education!) and lady uteruses
- get re-elected by the same people they're farking over

I have to say this is a very effective scam.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: lennavan: I dunno, it's really hard not to just giggle. The GOP isn't exactly secretive about what it wants to do. Is anyone who pays any damn attention shocked by this?

Keep on votin GOP Kansas. You're gettin what you deserve. For the rest who didn't vote for those doucebags in power, just farking move already.

We are getting what we deserve, actually. We have a vibrant economy, unemployment far below the national average and a much lower tax burden than other more "progressive" states. Yeah, how are those high taxes working for you California? Illinois?

As for the few remaining Democrats in our state? If they moved away tomorrow I highly doubt anybody would notice.

So you're the state equivalent of a cadillac-driving welfare queen. Congratulations.

CrackpipeCardozo: This plan is two-fold: KS has a balanced budget amendment, so the revenue shortfalls must be compensated for by slashing services. The stage is already being set by the local knee-jerks for assigning blame when (not if, but when) this plan explodes into a spectacular failure: the sunsetting of the Bush-era tax cuts. Brownback came out and publically announced that something like 20K jobs will be created by 2018 as a direct result of this tax policy, but blame is already being assigned to the Obama administration for when these jobs don't come to fruition. Counties are going to have to bump their ad valorem property and sales taxes to compensate for the shortfalls, but even these measures won't come close to addressing the tangled knot that this clusterfark is going to create.

I say, firebomb this state. Let the GOP have their way with it in every way they possibly want: abortion, regulation, tax policy, gutting state services. Let this state become the petri dish for the rest of the nation to examine and say "well, it was a good run conservatives, but now we'll let the adults handle things."

Actually, the GOP HAS had it's way in KS for all of our lifetimes + forever and we are doing very well thank you very much. All of those horrible reprecussions you talk about in your post have actually happened, not in Kansas, though, but in wonderful examples of unfettered LIBERAL government......you know.......like Detroit. I would tell you to save your firebombs for that workers paradise, but the few remaining residents already did most of the work for you.

A Terrible Human: Confabulat: Let's find the stupidest people in the world and wonder why they're so poor and live in a flat dirty shiathole filled with nothing but corn and idiots for miles and miles in every direction.

My grandmother grew up there during the 40's and her parents were german immigrants,1934 actually. But anyways she was one of the most racist people I've known and I've had a bipolar guy do a full on nazi salute in my living room. The weirdest thing? She was a holocaust denier which caused quite a bit of issues with a great,great uncle of mine. He liberated one of the camps and when I was a kid I never understood why his wife would be in the kitchen sitting at the table just chatting up a storm with my grandma and he'd be sitting in the living room looking kinda pissed. All that went away when I learned the other bits of info as an adult.

/Boring,weird story sis
//Kansas sounds like shiathole even compared to southeast Ky.

Southeastern Kentucky definitely isn't THAT bad.

spongeboob: MyRandomName: Lol. Made it through 50 posts of dumb liberal posts, none realizing that there is already a state without any income tax, and doing pretty well to boot. Are you liberals truly this idiotic?

Which state without income tax are you talking about?

Two that come to mind - Nevada and Florida. And I have to say, there are doing just fine. Why, housing is very inexpensive. Now.

X-boxershorts: LargeCanine: Reduce gov't revenues and cut taxes. Awesome. Plus I know a girl there. Just might move to Kansas.

Good. Morons like you need to be quarantined.

Welcome to my Favorite list!

verbaltoxin: LarryDan43: Kansas is already a welfare state, receiving $1.10 in federal spending for every $1.00 they put in. They will now put in less and take back more. Kansas is duping the other states.

All this right wing crap in the states will go a lot farther to grow federal government, which is the very thing the right is always b*tching about. If the rest of the US has to constantly prop up low tax red states, then we are all going to have more of a say in how they run their business. Starting with their lousy education standards that "teach the controversy."

I am actually kind of curious about that. Since a lot of the funding comes from federal matching dollars, wont the decrease in spending also cause a decrease in federal payments. Not saying they don't go up on that chart of welfare, but they might be getting a lot less in return.

As a secondary note, once Obama wins this next term I would love to see him pull out a commercial about welfare reform....State Welfare Reform. Why should job creating states like CA and NY pay more taxes? Shouldn't the job creating states have their taxes reduced so that they can continue to grow jobs? Job creating states are the key to economic prosperity.

X-boxershorts: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: lennavan: I dunno, it's really hard not to just giggle. The GOP isn't exactly secretive about what it wants to do. Is anyone who pays any damn attention shocked by this?

Keep on votin GOP Kansas. You're gettin what you deserve. For the rest who didn't vote for those doucebags in power, just farking move already.

We are getting what we deserve, actually. We have a vibrant economy, unemployment far below the national average and a much lower tax burden than other more "progressive" states. Yeah, how are those high taxes working for you California? Illinois?

As for the few remaining Democrats in our state? If they moved away tomorrow I highly doubt anybody would notice.

If the Kansas economy is so vibrant and uplifting of the poor, why does Kansas take in so much more in aid to the poor than they pay out in taxes?

That's a canard. Kansas, between 1990 and 2009, has taken in all of 24.7 billion in federal spending more than they paid in taxes. STAGGERING FIGURES!

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-uni o n

But please, keep right on with that "welfare queen" business.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: X-boxershorts: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: lennavan: I dunno, it's really hard not to just giggle. The GOP isn't exactly secretive about what it wants to do. Is anyone who pays any damn attention shocked by this?

Keep on votin GOP Kansas. You're gettin what you deserve. For the rest who didn't vote for those doucebags in power, just farking move already.

We are getting what we deserve, actually. We have a vibrant economy, unemployment far below the national average and a much lower tax burden than other more "progressive" states. Yeah, how are those high taxes working for you California? Illinois?

As for the few remaining Democrats in our state? If they moved away tomorrow I highly doubt anybody would notice.

If the Kansas economy is so vibrant and uplifting of the poor, why does Kansas take in so much more in aid to the poor than they pay out in taxes?

That's a canard. Kansas, between 1990 and 2009, has taken in all of 24.7 billion in federal spending more than they paid in taxes. STAGGERING FIGURES!

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-uni o n

But please, keep right on with that "welfare queen" business.

Riiiiiight. Link

So we're going to have a flood of doctors into the state, thereby depressing the salaries of doctors and lawyers?

I wouldn't think the research doctors would leave the state, as many before have suggested, unless some other state is offering no taxes for salaried doctors. People don't usually leave a state just out of spite.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: X-boxershorts: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: lennavan: I dunno, it's really hard not to just giggle. The GOP isn't exactly secretive about what it wants to do. Is anyone who pays any damn attention shocked by this?

Keep on votin GOP Kansas. You're gettin what you deserve. For the rest who didn't vote for those doucebags in power, just farking move already.

We are getting what we deserve, actually. We have a vibrant economy, unemployment far below the national average and a much lower tax burden than other more "progressive" states. Yeah, how are those high taxes working for you California? Illinois?

As for the few remaining Democrats in our state? If they moved away tomorrow I highly doubt anybody would notice.

If the Kansas economy is so vibrant and uplifting of the poor, why does Kansas take in so much more in aid to the poor than they pay out in taxes?

That's a canard. Kansas, between 1990 and 2009, has taken in all of 24.7 billion in federal spending more than they paid in taxes. STAGGERING FIGURES!

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-uni o n

But please, keep right on with that "welfare queen" business.

So let me get this straight..the state of KS is essentially a "small business". I mean that in the sense that compared to other states they are not a huge money maker, but they do okay for themselves.
We have given them tax breaks for the last two decades and they still haven't been able to provide more jobs and increase their profits in order to hire more workers.
Now they are going to further reduce their contribution to the coffers and we should continue to provide them with the breaks? Not sure that makes sense.

If we have given them 24.7 billion dollars wheres the return? At least when we bailed out the banks we had a chance at getting our money back.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: That's a canard. Kansas, between 1990 and 2009, has taken in all of 24.7 billion in federal spending more than they paid in taxes. STAGGERING FIGURES! But please, keep right on with that "welfare queen" business.

24 cents or 24.7 billion dollars, they still got more than they paid in, and roughly 2.5 billion dollars per year isn't a bad haul for a state of 2.8 million people. That works out to just under $9000 for every man, woman and child in Kansas every year.

Nice try* but the welfare queen label stands.


* not really

I mistaken multiplied my figures by 10. it should be 2.4 billion and year and about 900 dollars per resident. Sorry for error, but I stand by the point. I would love to receive 900 dollars every year from the Feds.

The Why Not Guy: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: That's a canard. Kansas, between 1990 and 2009, has taken in all of 24.7 billion in federal spending more than they paid in taxes. STAGGERING FIGURES! But please, keep right on with that "welfare queen" business.

24 cents or 24.7 billion dollars, they still got more than they paid in, and roughly 2.5 billion dollars per year isn't a bad haul for a state of 2.8 million people. That works out to just under $9000 for every man, woman and child in Kansas every year.

Nice try* but the welfare queen label stands.


* not really

Uhh..not to white knight the retard, but that "supposedly" was stretched out over two decades...not each year. So its really $9000 over the course of two decades, which isn't staggering, but yeah, the welfare label still stands.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: verbaltoxin: I keep seeing this, "haw haw, look at them derpers," but look at your example. Georgia has crops rotting away in the fields due to their stupid immigration laws. That's food that isn't being sold and is going to waste. That means less food going to market and prices are going higher.

The US produces more food than it uses. We're the largest agricultural exporter in the world. This isn't really an issue for anyone making an income that hover around the median and up.

What about Georgia residents whose income is below that median? A spike in food prices hits them pretty hard. And they voted for those immigration laws to protect those jobs they didn't want to work in the first place.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: CrackpipeCardozo: This plan is two-fold: KS has a balanced budget amendment, so the revenue shortfalls must be compensated for by slashing services. The stage is already being set by the local knee-jerks for assigning blame when (not if, but when) this plan explodes into a spectacular failure: the sunsetting of the Bush-era tax cuts. Brownback came out and publically announced that something like 20K jobs will be created by 2018 as a direct result of this tax policy, but blame is already being assigned to the Obama administration for when these jobs don't come to fruition. Counties are going to have to bump their ad valorem property and sales taxes to compensate for the shortfalls, but even these measures won't come close to addressing the tangled knot that this clusterfark is going to create.

I say, firebomb this state. Let the GOP have their way with it in every way they possibly want: abortion, regulation, tax policy, gutting state services. Let this state become the petri dish for the rest of the nation to examine and say "well, it was a good run conservatives, but now we'll let the adults handle things."

Actually, the GOP HAS had it's way in KS for all of our lifetimes + forever and we are doing very well thank you very much. All of those horrible reprecussions you talk about in your post have actually happened, not in Kansas, though, but in wonderful examples of unfettered LIBERAL government......you know.......like Detroit. I would tell you to save your firebombs for that workers paradise, but the few remaining residents already did most of the work for you.

And you can thank the federal government for putting prisons, military bases and farm subsidies in your state so people do have jobs there, because your state government isn't doing f*ck all to help you and yours. You didn't even read the Governor's budget. Most of your state's money goes to education, and you all voted to cut it and shift the tax burden onto those who make the least money. But hey, at least you all get to be admin. assistants and janitors at Boeing - oh wait, they took a million bucks from you and moved out anyway. Well, at least there's still Raytheon. You can clean toilets and shuffle paperwork at Raytheon, while out of staters move in and get the good jobs there. Oh and prison guards. You can all still be prison guards.

So you're right, there are lots of opportunities in Kansas - if you work in defense, got your primary education in another state, hold an engineering or sciences degree, and have some military service to boot. I'm sure I could move down to Kansas and find myself a great job. You and other native Kansans? You can take out my trash for me. It's all you'll be educated enough to do anyway.

Historian 1: "WTF happened here?"
Historian 2: "Republican policies: implemented and carried out to their inevitable conclusion."

The Why Not Guy: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: That's a canard. Kansas, between 1990 and 2009, has taken in all of 24.7 billion in federal spending more than they paid in taxes. STAGGERING FIGURES! But please, keep right on with that "welfare queen" business.

24 cents or 24.7 billion dollars, they still got more than they paid in, and roughly 2.5 billion dollars per year isn't a bad haul for a state of 2.8 million people. That works out to just under $9000 for every man, woman and child in Kansas every year.

Nice try* but the welfare queen label stands.


* not really

Math fail.

24.7 / 20 = 1.235 billion annually over that period which is fairly close to the break even point considering the amounts of money involved here. Also, consider the heavy military presence in the state ( 3 major installations ) and I think we can call it a wash.

simkatu: So we're going to have a flood of doctors into the state, thereby depressing the salaries of doctors and lawyers?

I wouldn't think the research doctors would leave the state, as many before have suggested, unless some other state is offering no taxes for salaried doctors. People don't usually leave a state just out of spite.

Maybe not out of spite, but what happens when these cuts affect everything else? What happens when Kansas begins to see the same kinds of service cuts Wisconsin has? What happens if the schools begin declining in quality?

I wouldn't be so sure they're all going to stick around.

gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: Goodfella: Rich pay no taxes while middle class and poor likely pay higher taxes

the tax rate for the poor went down from 3.5% to 3% and the sales tax went down.

Try again.

While you're looking at the information, did the people who voted for this bill offer to take a pay cut?

I don't know.
Did 0bama offer to take a pay cut after passing his tax cuts last year?

Well, President Obama is not trying to cripple the economy and decimate the middle and lower classes in favor of the Republican Party.

okay. no one is.

how is giving lowering the tax rates to the poor AND lowering sales tax decimating the middle and lower classes?
please show your work.

Krymson Tyde: "Who will still be paying Kansas income tax? Only three groups: 1) employees, 2) some retirees and 3) individuals whose investments are so modest that they cannot afford to create a trust or partnership to shelter their investment income."

Unfarkingbelievable.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present your GOP!

I got out in March. fark Kansas. And fark Sam Wayback. He is truly the worst governor imaginable.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: X-boxershorts: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: lennavan: I dunno, it's really hard not to just giggle. The GOP isn't exactly secretive about what it wants to do. Is anyone who pays any damn attention shocked by this?

Keep on votin GOP Kansas. You're gettin what you deserve. For the rest who didn't vote for those doucebags in power, just farking move already.

We are getting what we deserve, actually. We have a vibrant economy, unemployment far below the national average and a much lower tax burden than other more "progressive" states. Yeah, how are those high taxes working for you California? Illinois?

As for the few remaining Democrats in our state? If they moved away tomorrow I highly doubt anybody would notice.

If the Kansas economy is so vibrant and uplifting of the poor, why does Kansas take in so much more in aid to the poor than they pay out in taxes?

That's a canard. Kansas, between 1990 and 2009, has taken in all of 24.7 billion in federal spending more than they paid in taxes. STAGGERING FIGURES!

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-uni o n

But please, keep right on with that "welfare queen" business.

Your link disproves your point. Kansas spent more than they took in. That means states who took in less than they paid are covering your asses. Like up here in Nebraska, where we had $44 bn left over. You're welcome for that.

LOL I give up. It should be divided by 20, not 10 bringing the annual Kansas citizen subsity down to $450. That's a far cry from the outrageous $9000 my poor math skills came up with a few minutes ago. But welfare is welfare and the residents of Kansas are still getting a free ride whether it's $10,000 or 10 cents.

This is some stupid ass persons opinion of what could happen with these new laws, not what the law actually says.

Trolljegeren: [mygrandfathertaughtme.files.wordpress.com image 300x240]

Historian 1: "WTF happened here?"
Historian 2: "Republican policies: implemented and carried out to their inevitable conclusion."

That picture looks far more like Detroit than Kansas but go right ahead with your absurd talking points.

Cut education and social services to the bone in order to allow the wealthy to go completely tax free, and shift the remaining tax burden onto the struggling middle class.

How come when Democrats suggest addressing the deficit through a balanced approach of spending cuts and revenue increases (largely by simply letting the bush tax cuts expire for the very wealthy), it's called "class warfare"? But when Republicans actually do stuff like this that enormously benefits the very rich at the expense of the poor and middle class, it's not called "class warfare"?

tenpoundsofcheese: Emposter: I actually can almost respect this. Unlike most, at least THESE Republicans don't even try and pretend they give a shiat about anyone except the rich and big businesses.

yeah, cutting the lowest tax rate for individuals from 3.5% to 3% is BAD for the poor.

Also lowering the state sales tax is bad for the poor.

bad, bad, bad.

That all you got? Massive cuts to social services to pay for completely eliminating taxes for the rich are OK because the poor had their taxes cut by one half of one percent?

You're living up to your reputation as one of the dumbest trolls on Fark. Keep it up, retard.

atomic-age: Krymson Tyde: "Who will still be paying Kansas income tax? Only three groups: 1) employees, 2) some retirees and 3) individuals whose investments are so modest that they cannot afford to create a trust or partnership to shelter their investment income."

Unfarkingbelievable.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present your GOP!

I got out in March. fark Kansas. And fark Sam Wayback. He is truly the worst governor imaginable.

I hope the door didn't hit you in the ass on the way out...............well yeah, I do.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Also, consider the heavy military presence in the state ( 3 major installations ) and I think we can call it a wash.

Donor states like California and New York have military bases as well, so how does this make Kansas less of a welfare state?

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Trolljegeren: [mygrandfathertaughtme.files.wordpress.com image 300x240]

Historian 1: "WTF happened here?"
Historian 2: "Republican policies: implemented and carried out to their inevitable conclusion."

That picture looks far more like Detroit than Kansas but go right ahead with your absurd talking points.

You're right. Everything's just rosy in Kansas. No problems with sex trafficking or anything like that. Link

So add "hooker" to prison guard, janitor and secretary to the glorious opportunities available to Kansas' middle class.

The Why Not Guy: LOL I give up. It should be divided by 20, not 10 bringing the annual Kansas citizen subsity down to $450. That's a far cry from the outrageous $9000 my poor math skills came up with a few minutes ago. But welfare is welfare and the residents of Kansas are still getting a free ride whether it's $10,000 or 10 cents.

What was your tax refund last year? I suspect you're getting a "free ride" yourself.

Emposter: tenpoundsofcheese: Emposter: I actually can almost respect this. Unlike most, at least THESE Republicans don't even try and pretend they give a shiat about anyone except the rich and big businesses.

yeah, cutting the lowest tax rate for individuals from 3.5% to 3% is BAD for the poor.

Also lowering the state sales tax is bad for the poor.

bad, bad, bad.

That all you got? Massive cuts to social services to pay for completely eliminating taxes for the rich are OK because the poor had their taxes cut by one half of one percent?

what? a cut from 3.5% to 3% means their taxes were cut by about a 14 percent.

You're living up to your reputation as one of the dumbest trolls on Fark.

and you are living up to your reputation here as someone who has no clue of what is going on.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: What was your tax refund last year? I suspect you're getting a "free ride" yourself.

How is my tax refund a free ride?

FTA: All income of farmers will be exempt from tax.

That's one way to keep the younger generation working in agriculture, I suppose.

Here in Canada if we made that sort of decision, it would hardly change our tax revenues, but it would benefit our extremely precarious agricultural sectors.

The more awkward question is, how about farm labour? Do the workers still get taxed, despite making a pittance?

Good, let them try their little experiment on a state I don't live in.

They can always make money as the location for a new Spider-Man movie

///which will crash and burn as Kansas is so flat

Only non-wage income will be exempt from taxes. An obvious move to free up money so small businesses can hire more employees. This doesn't mean that a doctor, lawyer or any other person can avoid paying taxes on their income just by claiming that they're a partner in a business.

Stop believing the first piece of bullshiat you read and take the time to look up other sources for the story.

tenpoundsofcheese: LeoffDaGrate: tenpoundsofcheese: It is a meaningless, political, label.

There is a difference between a state that voted 75% for one party vs. a state that voted 50.1% for one party. But in this chart they would be the same.

Will someone PLEASE save this the next time tenpoundsofcheese goes off on one of his rants about Democrats?

are you unable to save this? you can use cut and paste.


I'm noticing that you completely glossed over the not-so-subtle jabs at your hypocrisy. Possibly because you're not willing to own up to it, possibly because you're too stupid to see it.

I have no idea what you are talking about but since you seem unable to save a simple post, I don't think what you say is relevant.

The Why Not Guy: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: What was your tax refund last year? I suspect you're getting a "free ride" yourself.

How is my tax refund a free ride?

He's calling you poor. Implying that it means your argument is invalid, since your poor. You, are feeding him, steak, and he's asking for more, and you......are farking giving it to him. He's already laid out his "fark you, I got mine" argument, and yet you keep going back for more.

See, This is why we cant have nice things.

verbaltoxin: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: X-boxershorts: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: lennavan: I dunno, it's really hard not to just giggle. The GOP isn't exactly secretive about what it wants to do. Is anyone who pays any damn attention shocked by this?

Keep on votin GOP Kansas. You're gettin what you deserve. For the rest who didn't vote for those doucebags in power, just farking move already.

We are getting what we deserve, actually. We have a vibrant economy, unemployment far below the national average and a much lower tax burden than other more "progressive" states. Yeah, how are those high taxes working for you California? Illinois?

As for the few remaining Democrats in our state? If they moved away tomorrow I highly doubt anybody would notice.

If the Kansas economy is so vibrant and uplifting of the poor, why does Kansas take in so much more in aid to the poor than they pay out in taxes?

That's a canard. Kansas, between 1990 and 2009, has taken in all of 24.7 billion in federal spending more than they paid in taxes. STAGGERING FIGURES!

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-uni o n

But please, keep right on with that "welfare queen" business.

Your link disproves your point. Kansas spent more than they took in. That means states who took in less than they paid are covering your asses. Like up here in Nebraska, where we had $44 bn left over. You're welcome for that.

I see you missed my point entirely, then. My point is that people here are saying that Kansas is some kind of huge welfare state which is bleeding the government dry. Facts show that the amount of money we received over a 20 year span in federal spending over what we paid in taxes is pretty small, especially compared with what the federal government spent in total over that same period. To call that number a rounding error would be a gross exaggeration.

The 'Kansas Eat The Rich Act of 2014' will rectify this.

casual disregard: This is great news for drug smugglers, meth labs, and pimps. The dramatically reduced police force and social services safety net will result in a haven for scum and villainy.


Or as I prefer to call it, Junction City.

simkatu: So we're going to have a flood of doctors into the state, thereby depressing the salaries of doctors and lawyers?

I wouldn't think the research doctors would leave the state, as many before have suggested, unless some other state is offering no taxes for salaried doctors. People don't usually leave a state just out of spite.

I don't know if "flood" of doctors into the state would be accurate. I'm sure some people would be attracted to it, and it's a bonus for any doctor already considering it. However, doctors make pretty good money wherever they are and I just can't imagine many of them of them thinking "Hey, I should move to that shiathole so I can be tax exempt. This salary just isn't quite cutting it and I'd be so much better off without having to pay income taxes."

The Why Not Guy: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: What was your tax refund last year? I suspect you're getting a "free ride" yourself.

How is my tax refund a free ride?

Was the amount of your refund greater than the amount you paid in federal taxes throughout the year? That would be a free ride. A lot of people fall into this category.

atomic-age: casual disregard: This is great news for drug smugglers, meth labs, and pimps. The dramatically reduced police force and social services safety net will result in a haven for scum and villainy.


Or as I prefer to call it, Junction City.

Way to make yourself look stupid. Google that really fast and tell me what's located there.

TsarTom: Wow. Arizona and Florida may get all the press, but once in a while Kansas will come out of nowhere and completely blow you away with something so massively retarded it can actually change the frame of reference.

Seriously. This. From now on, my standard of stupidity is the Kansas Tax Law standard.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Was the amount of your refund greater than the amount you paid in federal taxes throughout the year?

No, it was not. Now please back up your claim and explain how my tax refund is a free ride.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: My point is that people here are saying that Kansas is some kind of huge welfare state which is bleeding the government dry.

Nice strawman. Nobody has claimed Kansas is "bleeding the government dry." It is, however, a welfare state. And once these new tax provisions go into place, it's going to get worse.