SevenizGud: 1. Don't work - don't eat.2. The primary role of the federal government will be to ensure the liberty of the citizenry.
way south: If this is how you jusify your arguments then you should stop saying that the second amendment is anachronistic.You want it gone because you are afraid a violent revolt might actually work.
GAT_00: Amendments:1. OK as is, but specifically state that NO religious imagery may be used in any State or Federal agency.
GAT_00: The plea bargain is also badly abused on known BS cases where the accused can't afford to stay in jail and takes the probation plea, leaving them subservient to the justice system for the next 10 years for something they didn't do, just because they were already living at the edge of their means.It should go.
Benevolent Misanthrope: OK - I'll bite.No discriminating against anyone, for any reason, Ever.Don't be a dick.This is not a Theocracy. You can practice your religion right up to the point that it involves using any government resource - including schools, buildings, courts, jails, the Military... Any resource - to get other people to practice it, too. That's off limits. Which means, no tax exemptions for churches, either. Churches don't get to tell The State how to run laws. The State doesn't get to tell the Church who and how to bless.The rights of people....OK - y'know what? I think we can narrow it down to my second point."Don't be a dick." For any reason. Ever.Done.
SevenizGud: 1. Don't work - don't eat.
feckingmorons: Benevolent Misanthrope: No discriminating against anyone, for any reason, Ever.So registered sex offenders should open baby sitting services? I'm OK with your premise, but I think it has to be a bit more defined.
Benevolent Misanthrope: This is not a Theocracy.
HeartBurnKid: 1: The House should not be "elected" so much as "drafted". People will be selected at random to serve 2 year terms. They will draw a salary, and there will be safeguards in place to ensure they can return to their former jobs once their term has expired.2: Any and all bills in the House or Senate must receive a vote within 2 weeks of introduction, regardless of any procedures that might cause otherwise.3: The president will be selected by popular vote. Screw this electoral college shiat.4: All elected federal offices will be selected via approval voting. Instead of being forced to pick just one, a voter may select as many candidates as he or she wishes. The one candidate who gets the most votes wins. Simple and elegant.5: While corporations are defined as separate entities from their owners for legal purposes, they are not people and do not necessarily enjoy the same rights as people. The fourth amendment will be specifically defined as applying to all legal entities, but the rest of the bill of rights will be reserved for actual people.6: Corporations exist at the leisure of the people, and can have their charter revoked by the courts for especially egregious offenses.
bugontherug: Farkage: It is true and incredibly easy to verify so have at it!No, it is not true. Of all the quotes you posted, only one is actually on point. And that's apparently by some state representative speaking to ratify the Virginia constitution, not the federal Constitution.Your interpretation drains the phrase "a well regulated militia" of all meaning whatsoever. That is contrary to the basic constitutional doctrine that all words of the constitution should be construed to give them legal effect.You yourself posted the George Washington "and disciplined" quote." Other remarks by other framers, including Thomas Jefferson, indicate that they envisioned a real militia of people regularly meeting and drilling having the right to keep and bear arms. Jefferson, if memory serves, alluded to Spartan warriors when speaking of the 2nd Amendment. People subject to a king, and who devoted their whole lives to military training.I don't say that the framers intended the right to keep and bear arms to extend only to those who devoted their whole lives to military training. I do say they selected the words "a well regulated militia" because they intended them to have legal effect, and that quotes even you yourself have posted undermine the view that by "a well regulated militia," the framers really meant "anyone who feels like owning a gun, even if they've never reported for a drill, are part of no command structure, and have no concept of the heavy responsibility that properly attaches to firearms ownership."Your version of the 2nd Amendment:"Anyone who feels like owning a gun, even if they've never reported for a drill, are part of no command structure, and have no concept of the heavy responsibility that properly attaches to firearms ownership, being necessary to the preservation of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."Maybe I'm just old fashioned, by I prefer the language the framers ratified.
bugontherug: Jarhead_h: It angers me that some people construe all the words of the 2nd Amendment to have legal meaning, instead of ignoring the well regulated militia clause like I do. Because of my defective moral character, I'm going to slander everyone who holds a different view as opposing free government. Then I'm going to claim that the problem is they're not honest enough to admit they're soshialist fashist athiest muslins.It's good to see you being honest with yourself. But just to clarify: I believe the Constitution protects a right to keep and bear arms in connection with service in a well regulated militia. Just like George Washington said.
shivashakti: While we're at it... let's make the retired work as well!
Benevolent Misanthrope: no tax exemptions for churches
Hagenhatesyouall: 1. Term limits.2. Term limits.3. Balanced federal budget except in the event of a declared war by congress.Which should then be subject my an immediate war tax to offset the cost4. Federal troops may not be used for combat operations beyond 90 days unless congress declares war. No more of this "undeclared" war shiat.define combat operations? US has treaty obligations (approved by Congress) as well5. All votes are to be roll call votes in congress.6. Term limits.
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Do you have a tank or two chilling in your closet, buddy? A couple of helicopters and maybe a nuclear submarine? Do you know what's going to happen if the military decides to kill you? You're going to die. Not in an awesome, slow motion movie way, but probably in a quick, pointless drone strike way. you and your precious gun will be a stain. I like guns as much as the next person, but let's be realistic here. Nobody is mounting an armed resistance to the military.
Benevolent Misanthrope: No discriminating against anyone, for any reason, Ever.
Farxist Marxist: 1) Ban lobbying2) National system of criminal law3) Minimum age to leave school is 18 or obtaining secondary school diploma, whichever comes first.4) Dump the Fed5) Laws pertaining to morality subject to public referendum
tenpoundsofcheese: Yeah! How dare they retire and open up jobs for younger people!
Tyee: The constitution was designed to be changed and that is far better than finding "new" meaning in it. We have neglected changing it in favor of reinterpreting and that has hurt the courts, and citizens ability to see clearly what it is saying.
tuffsnake: Benevolent Misanthrope: no tax exemptions for churchesThe thing about this is that a lot of churches provide services to the community (things like food banks, counseling, shelters, etc) that they might not otherwise be able to do if they didn't get the tax breaks.
e5wsf: No property tax. Property tax makes it impossible for any citizen to outright own their home.Congress must only be a part time position. They will receive military pay and benefits. They will live in barracks for this monthly gathering.Members of congress may not own stocks or trade on the stock market while in office.Members of congress shall not influence their pay in any manor.All men and women are equal and shall not be discriminated against nor offered exclusive protections.The Vice President will be the individual with the second highest vote count in the Presidential election.Men and women shall arm themselves in the same manor as ANY organization with police powers over citizens of any State of the Union.Freedom to practice religion as long as it does not infringe upon the beliefs and rights of others. This provides protection FROM religion.The abuse of public funds is punishable by death.
shivashakti: tenpoundsofcheese: Yeah! How dare they retire and open up jobs for younger people!Well, in this scenario, remember...you don't work, you don't eat.So children, after being weaned, will have to work in order to live as well.NO ONE GETS A FREE RIDE!!!!111111!11ELEVENTY!
AmorousRedDragon: way south: If this is how you jusify your arguments then you should stop saying that the second amendment is anachronistic.You want it gone because you are afraid a violent revolt might actually work.Who's calling for a violent revolt? Why is that necessary? Please elaborate.
CultureVulture: The RIchest Man in BabylonCourtroomWolf: Eliminate the electoral systemThis.This is really a great idea if you live in one of the major metro areas or California because you'll always choose the President and fark the rest of the US.Did y'all miss that part in Civics 101?
Type_Hard: I'm curious if anyone has thought through a list of things that they think should not fall under the umbrella of states rights.The definition of marriage immediately comes to my mind. Seems bizarre to me that something so basic should be left to vary from state to state, especially in a world where I can be on the other side of the country in a matter of hours.Maybe I'm wrong here, and I think localized control makes sense in most issues, but this seems like something that shouldn't be left to local control.Thoughts, flames, etc...?
CultureVulture: TyeeThe constitution was designed to be changed and that is far better than finding "new" meaning in it. We have neglected changing it in favor of reinterpreting and that has hurt the courts, and citizens ability to see clearly what it is saying.Just where is this written down or expressed by any Founding Father? I missed that memo. The only people I know who want to change the Constitution are the Obamians and Leftists in general. That is what AMENDMENTS are for. Amending the Constitution, not rewriting it. The Constitution is meant to limit the government and Obama wants to trash it because it limits him and he doesn't like that - hence a flood of Executive Orders and procedures to do an end around on Congress.
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