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2012-05-28 06:13:11 AM
Congress shall make no law prohibiting a consenting adult citizen of the United States of America from engaging in any activity they choose so long as that activity does not harm another person without their consent, another person's property without their consent, or the environment.

....

My legalese is probably for shiat... The idea is that you could do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting someone else, smashing their stuff (without them wanting you to), or making the planet unlivable for the rest of us as a result of what you're doing.

I imagine something like this could be applied directly to gay marriage, pot, euthanasia, polygamy, and whole slew of other things.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Congress shall make no law that forces religious doctrine or ideals of any kind upon citizens of the United States of America or its visitors.

...

Basically... you can't get your religious ideals turned into law. If there is a valid issue that doesn't involve spirits or deities, by all means please bring it to everyone's attention, but if the reason you think something should be a law is because "God says so".... just keep that at home. If not being able to force your religious doctrine or ideals upon others is a bad thing, consider for a moment that people of other religions than your own also would not be able to force their religious stuff on you either.

Again... they probably need refinement. But those are two important ones I'd like to see in there.

I'd also like to see something that says that the only reason we can go to war is to defend ourselves against direct attacks upon ourselves or our allies. But I mean really have to defend ourselves... as in we take the first punch no matter what. But if someone hits us... no kid gloves. We destroy their ability to make war and go home... anyone else hits us and they get the same deal. Obviously I don't have the wording worked out on that... ;)
 
2012-05-28 06:23:21 AM
Religions shall not be used in any kind of official pledges.
 
2012-05-28 06:29:24 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: This is not a Theocracy. You can practice your religion right up to the point that it involves using any government resource - including schools, buildings, courts, jails, the Military... Any resource - to get other people to practice it, too. That's off limits. Which means, no tax exemptions for churches, either. Churches don't get to tell The State how to run laws. The State doesn't get to tell the Church who and how to bless.


Awesome. So you're saying that in NYC, where there are a large number of empty parochial schools and a dearth of public school space, the city shouldn't be able to rent those buildings because they have statues of saints and Jesus on the outside?
 
2012-05-28 06:34:47 AM

Frontspac: The base-10 metric system shall be the sole official unit of measure of the United States of America and it's dependents, protectorates and properties.



\Not American
\\Base-12 is stupid.


Don't be so sure. The babylonians were on to something with their Base-60 system.
It makes division really easy, for one thing...
 
2012-05-28 06:40:16 AM
1) Corporations are very obviously not a "person" and shall not be considered as one.
2) Elected or appointed officials shall be subject to the same rules and regulations as their employees/citizens.
 
2012-05-28 06:40:55 AM
Hi. I just showed up here.
 
2012-05-28 06:42:12 AM

rubi_con_man: Benevolent Misanthrope: [...]Churches don't get to tell The State how to run laws. The State doesn't get to tell the Church who and how to bless.

Awesome. So you're saying that in NYC, where there are a large number of empty parochial schools and a dearth of public school space, the city shouldn't be able to rent those buildings because they have statues of saints and Jesus on the outside?


The statues can be moved into storage out of sight or covered by paneling. You rent a building to someone else, you're obliged to let them decorate it as they see fit provided there is no irreversible damage. And something about doing away with all but the minimal powers of Home Owner Associations too.
 
2012-05-28 06:45:01 AM

Frontspac: The base-10 metric system shall be the sole official unit of measure of the United States of America and it's dependents, protectorates and properties.



\Not American
\\Base-12 is stupid.


That's the eleventieth best idea I've heard today.
 
2012-05-28 06:46:39 AM

pedrop357: The Southern Dandy: Corporations are not people and no rights are afforded them. Laws regulating them will be handled as any other law.

I love reading this from everyone. I can't wait for the chance to send the police in and seize all assets of a corporation, perhaps at random. After all, corporations aren't people and not entitled to "rights", right? That would include the 4th and 5th amendments, wouldn't it? What about the 6th? Are corporations entitled to due process?

In the end, corporations are comprised of people and the chosen format to assemble should be afforded the same protections as the individuals assembling.


The situation as it is now is that companies "own" themselves. This is the reason that the company is responsible for the acts of the company and not the CEO/shareholders/members of the board/etc. If organisational personhood were to be rescinded the company would need to be the property of someone. That person (or group of people) would be accountable for the consequences of the behaviour of the company, which they now are not, which is why it is so easy to fark things up and walk away without consequences (unless you do it on a very massive scale).

So all your points: asset seizing, lawsuits, various amendments would still apply to the property of the organisation because there is someone who owns the property. Randomly taking that property away is theft from a person. All other rights will flow from the owner. Lawsuits will be started by/addressed to the owner and the owner will be held to be innocent until proven guilty etc.

tl;dr:
If rescinding organisational personhood means that you get to loot the place, I get to loot your home since your home isn't legally a person. All this will be countermanded by the fact that you own your house and that it is your rights that are being violated, not your house's.
 
2012-05-28 06:55:48 AM
Oh, Imminent Domain: That needs to be clarified:

That the government may seize private property only in the interest of the public good, which shall be defined as a public use such as an easement for road widening or placement of a fire station among other things, and never for private development whether or not there is a projected increase in the productive tax base of the land.
And
Such property so seized must be duly compensated, not at the value of the seized property after it's already marked for seizure, but at the replacement price: sufficient to purchase a substantially similar property in size, development and condition, within the same community or within a reasonable distance as defined by local community standards, except in such cases as when an entire community must be moved as a result of an environmental disaster, and even then properties must be replaced in substantially similar fashion, with efforts made to keep the community in question together.
 
2012-05-28 06:56:19 AM
Article 1: Give it all to me.
 
2012-05-28 06:57:39 AM
Re: Districts

No electoral district of any kind shall have a perimeter that is larger than 10 times its area in square feet.

All districts must be contiguous.

Re : Property:

Every property on which any tax is levied shall be re-estimated every 5 years, its value being deemed to rise and fall with the general rate of inflation in the interim.

Re: Loans

Terms, rates, and ownership of loans shall not change hands without the acceptance of the borrower, except in the case of insolvency or bank restructuring by federally appointed agents due to bankruptcy.

Re: Media

No Individual, or corporate entity of shared ownership or control shall control more than one media channel in any market,

Media channel being defined as : Cable TV or broadcast channel, newspaper, advertising company, 20% of the billboard market, radio station.

Business:

All terms of all contracts shall be made public within 10 years of the initiation (mutual endorsement) of the contract, including parties involved in any way, prices, quantities and guiding concepts.

Voting :

The equity of voice being important to the vibrancy of ideas in a polity, nonhuman legal entities shall be subject to such controls on speech, spending and influence as congress shall deem fit.

Unions:

Because of the necessity to balance the interests of labor and capital, the right of persons to unify and demand collective bargaining shall not be denied.

Guns:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed in districts with a population density less than 1000 citizen residences per square mile.

Spending:

Congress shall authorize financing required to fulfill its previously passed bills.

Elections :

No person may stand for election more than one year before the date of inauguration of the post sought, nor raise funds. Funds so raised, when in surplus, must be returned to the donors in proportion, and such refund lists must be submitted to the FEC.

Nobody gets to play in politics and hide. Put your name of your electioneering gear.
 
2012-05-28 07:12:00 AM
As it pertains to lawsuits:

1. Lawyers can no longer use 'you don't pay unless you win' as a method of payment.
2. Each state shal have a panel of twelve 12-year olds (6 girls, 6 boys). All lawsuits not pertaining to a violation of laws shall be presented to this panel. If said panel feels the lawsuit is stupid -

"Well OF COURSE the coffee was hot, it's coffee!"

- that lawsuit shall be summarily dismissed.

3. There will not be any form of punishment that invalidates common sense. A company does not need to have a warning label that says "May contain nuts" on a bag of nuts.
 
2012-05-28 07:12:28 AM

DerAppie: pedrop357: The Southern Dandy: Corporations are not people and no rights are afforded them. Laws regulating them will be handled as any other law.

I love reading this from everyone. I can't wait for the chance to send the police in and seize all assets of a corporation, perhaps at random. After all, corporations aren't people and not entitled to "rights", right? That would include the 4th and 5th amendments, wouldn't it? What about the 6th? Are corporations entitled to due process?

In the end, corporations are comprised of people and the chosen format to assemble should be afforded the same protections as the individuals assembling.

The situation as it is now is that companies "own" themselves. This is the reason that the company is responsible for the acts of the company and not the CEO/shareholders/members of the board/etc. If organisational personhood were to be rescinded the company would need to be the property of someone. That person (or group of people) would be accountable for the consequences of the behaviour of the company, which they now are not, which is why it is so easy to fark things up and walk away without consequences (unless you do it on a very massive scale).

So all your points: asset seizing, lawsuits, various amendments would still apply to the property of the organisation because there is someone who owns the property. Randomly taking that property away is theft from a person. All other rights will flow from the owner. Lawsuits will be started by/addressed to the owner and the owner will be held to be innocent until proven guilty etc.

tl;dr:
If rescinding organisational personhood means that you get to loot the place, I get to loot your home since your home isn't legally a person. All this will be countermanded by the fact that you own your house and that it is your rights that are being violated, not your house's.


This whole amendment thing is not going to go the way that U.S. liberals want. At least it shows that some understand what its for, though.

The Constitution is just as relevant today as 200 years ago. The only things that have a chance at ratification are changes all sides agree on.

Like the unfairness of asset forfeiture and seizure of property not intended for public use.

Everything else is just a progressive wet dream.
 
2012-05-28 07:14:11 AM
Education :

No child shall be deprived of the fraternity of its fellow citizens. This being the case, all children shall attend schools funded and governed through public means, determined solely by their place of permanent residence, except by medical assessment of subnormal capacity for learning. They shall in that case be sent to regional homes for training and education of the type necessary to their condition.

Parents found fabricating locale of permanent residence shall be required to sell the place they were 'really' living in to the state for one-half the price they paid for it, and forced to live in the spurious residence for one year.

Public health being necessary to the vitality of a nation, the right of a teen to a medical understanding of the reproductive functioning of the human body shall not be infringed. States are also authorized to ensure appropriate moral co-education at the same time by registering persons nominated by the parents of children in schools and permitting them to teach an ethics of procreation class in the school to children whose parents accede to both the nature of the class and the quality of the speaker.

College:

No college or university, excluding trade schools, shall accept or enroll any person under the age of twenty-two unless they are certified to be in the top 10% ranked in the graduating class of their institution of high school, or have served two years since graduation in such public service post that congress shall appoint.

Abortion:

The state has no place in regulating abortions.
 
2012-05-28 07:19:36 AM

rubi_con_man: College:

No college or university, excluding trade schools, shall accept or enroll any person under the age of twenty-two unless they are certified to be in the top 10% ranked in the graduating class of their institution of high school, or have served two years since graduation in such public service post that congress shall appoint.


Yes, let's reduce our ability to compete with other nations in science and engineering even more. That won't bite us in the ass.
 
2012-05-28 07:23:32 AM
There isn't much of a hive.

Looking back at their other attempts to fix things with the Slate "hive": Their big ideas:

Childhood obesity-- Encourage "play"
The Oscars-- Break the awards into "Comedy" and "Drama" categories
How to run a small business- Go to the library to get info, access to free databases and market analsysis
Averting a meltdown-- Cover nuclear plants with an inflatable dome
Inventing the Future-- Run a low sodium organic soup cart,

Only the winning suggestions on fixing the Oscars and Obesity got as many as 50 votes. Most had much lower participation.

Can we help them do better?
 
2012-05-28 07:23:57 AM
It's kind of funny how many people in this thread want a constitution that applies more to restrictions of the people than the government. Even funnier is they propose it in the name of freedom.

Wait, I shouldnt have said funny. Depressing or scary is more appropriate.

(Considering the way that democratic or republican platforms are built out of mutually exclusive issues, watching people argue that the platform of their political party be enforced on the people by constitutional mandate is scary if they aren't trolling. And I don't think they are trolling.
 
2012-05-28 07:30:26 AM
Legalize gay marriage, but change tax laws relevant to marriage. Mostly, the tax breaks are there to help married couples with the financial burden of having children. So reword the tax laws accordingly to give breaks to married people "with children" only. Am I right?
 
2012-05-28 07:30:55 AM
Senate:

The Senate shall be comprised of three seats for every state, each elected for a term of six years.

Minor Districts:

Non-state districts, such as the District of Columbia, incorporated and unincorporated territories, protectorates and federal commonwealths shall be empowered to elect one senator and one representative who shall have all the rights and privileges of other members of those august bodies.

Corporate death Penalty
Any corporate entity found to have committed a systemic crime against the economy of the United States shall be eligible for the penalty of forced liquidation, with members of its board of directors and senior officers as nominated by the court of such proceedings to be issued with a bill of attainder.
 
2012-05-28 07:33:39 AM

rubi_con_man: The Senate shall be comprised of three seats for every state, each elected for a term of six years.


The senate should have a softer version of proportional representation, somewhat like the House of Representatives, but still representing states rather then districts. To make less extreme then the House, a state could have one, two, or three Senators depending on its population.

Now if we're going for real change I'd divide the states up into fifty new ones with equal population size. I saw a map for that a while back.
 
2012-05-28 07:35:53 AM
No mandatory minimum sentences...

Places the judiciary under the legislative branch...
 
2012-05-28 07:37:30 AM
Anyone who currently holds office, and runs for higher office, must also resign from the office that they currently hold.

That way, we don't get no-talent asswipes like Michele Bachman running for president and derping things up without consequences for her. Running for office shouldn't be a means for the wealthy to make more money on book tours.
 
2012-05-28 07:38:48 AM

9beers: pedrop357: 0/10.

Another poster might be able to get a real bite and perhaps turn up the flames, but not you.

It's cute that you think I'm trolling. The 2nd was written for a very specific reason, a reason that no longer exists today. Nobody should have access to guns except for law enforcement and the military.


You have no idea what the Second Amendment is about do you? And it's not to have a militia. The Second Amendment is there to guarantee Law Enforcement and the Military are NOT the only ones with arms.
Did you throw your umbrella and raincoat away because the 7 day forecast says sunny and nice?
 
2012-05-28 07:39:08 AM

Relatively Obscure: I. Tits or GTFO.


This.
 
2012-05-28 07:42:30 AM

rubi_con_man: Re: Districts

No electoral district of any kind shall have a perimeter that is larger than 10 times its area in square feet.

All districts must be contiguous.

Re : Property:

Every property on which any tax is levied shall be re-estimated every 5 years, its value being deemed to rise and fall with the general rate of inflation in the interim.

Re: Loans

Terms, rates, and ownership of loans shall not change hands without the acceptance of the borrower, except in the case of insolvency or bank restructuring by federally appointed agents due to bankruptcy.

Re: Media

No Individual, or corporate entity of shared ownership or control shall control more than one media channel in any market,

Media channel being defined as : Cable TV or broadcast channel, newspaper, advertising company, 20% of the billboard market, radio station.

Business:

All terms of all contracts shall be made public within 10 years of the initiation (mutual endorsement) of the contract, including parties involved in any way, prices, quantities and guiding concepts.

Voting :

The equity of voice being important to the vibrancy of ideas in a polity, nonhuman legal entities shall be subject to such controls on speech, spending and influence as congress shall deem fit.

Unions:

Because of the necessity to balance the interests of labor and capital, the right of persons to unify and demand collective bargaining shall not be denied.

Guns:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed in districts with a population density less than 1000 citizen residences per square mile.

Spending:

Congress shall authorize financing required to fulfill its previously passed bills.

Elections :

No person may stand for election more than one year before the date of inauguration of the post sought, nor raise funds. Funds so raised, when in surplus, must be returned to the donors in proportion, and such refund lists must be submitted to the FEC.

Nobody gets to play in politics and hide. Put your name of your electioneering gear.


I like the cut of your jib.
 
2012-05-28 07:42:34 AM
What I'd change is this.

Instead of the House being elected with individual representatives running for each district with a winner takes all vote, a national popular vote is held in which you vote for parties not people. The percent of seats awarded to that party is based on the percent popular vote received.

This gets rid of gerrymandering, and more importantly allows parties with significant (5%+) popular support (libertarians and green parties for example) but without 50% support in any given district to win seats. Since seats mean power and money, small parties should be able to quickly establish themselves and then grow based on their ability to maintain support, giving us real alternatives.

Best of all, the emergent multiparty system would then force the big two parties to align with one or more of the smaller parties to maintain majorities - a coalition government. This alignment will require compromise. No more black and white arguments. No more "choices" between two extremist positions.

This isn't a wild idea. This is closer to the norm for modern democracies. As the oldest of the current crop of democracies, we're the archaic ones here.
 
2012-05-28 07:45:15 AM

Ed Willy: Franklin Roosevelt's Second Bill Of Rights

Employment, with a living wage...
Housing...


Sure, today it's a place to stay, enough to eat.
Tomorrow, it'll be somewhere old heroes shuffle safely down the street.
 
2012-05-28 07:52:09 AM

GAT_00: 6. Define speedy trial. I'd like to include here that for false accusations, the accuser must spend the maximum possible sentence the accused could have gotten.
7. Trial by jury required for nearly all cases. Ban the plea bargain.


the plea bargain is actually incredibly useful for all parties. If there was no plea bargain the courts would be clogged w/people going to trial, and courts are already overflowing w/cases for many other reasons. In addition it allows an incentive for one party to roll on another party. It also allows for courts to convict people where there is a good chance a jury might not convict. The Zimmerman case is a good example. I think a conviction is unlikely even though I think he's guilty as hell. Another reason is to avoid the victim having to testify. I have a friend who's daughter was molested and is absolutely terrified of testifying. The defense knows this, and the evidence is otherwise quite strong, but to avoid forcing her to testify it looks like a plea will be accepted.

abb3w: It might also be nice to figure out an algorithm for drawing the boundaries of representative political districts, both for Federal and State divisions, so as to get rid of the problem of gerrymandering.


THIS.

No regulating anything done between consenting adults or which an adult does to him/herself, Drugs and prostitution being the obvious items here. Tax it if you want, like msot other items that are sold or services that are rendered, but if you're consenting, than its your business, not the states. If this results in otherwise illegal activity, well then... those activities are already illegal right? I'm thinking like someone forced into prostituion, or someone who drives while farked up and hits someone. Have them arrested for being under the influence.

This isn't a constitutional issue but I'd love to see much greater use of public service for low level crimes. nothing wrong w/cleaning up the park, scrubbing graffiti, working in a homeless shelter, etc etc. and they have to actually do it too, I have a friend who got in an accident and had to do community service and he called 3x to do it and they never returned his calls, and eventually it never happened. Seen this happen a few times.

marriage is legal between any two people over the age of 18. period, end of story. the church can set any rules it wants on who they want to marry. Thats why judges and mayors can marry people too.

also legal drinking age is set at 18. setting it at 21 just drives it underground which creates more issues than it solves.
 
2012-05-28 07:55:56 AM
Revisions to Article III:

Number of Justices set at Nine (Prevent another court packing scheme):

The Supreme Court shall have the right of discretionary appellate jurisdiction via writ of certiorari over any case adjudicated in the United States. (Remove attempts by certain parties to short circuit court challenges by laws by removing SCOTUS judicial review).

Justices shall reach Emeritus status after 25 years, and shall retain their salary and all privileges of their position except for being allowed to vote on cases before the court, and shall be entitled to present Amicus Curiae arguments. (Yeah, copied that one from upthread, it's a good one)

Other Amendments:

An amendment to clarify that the US is not a theocracy and is not a Christian state. Apparently the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses of the First Amendment and the No Religious Test Clause wasn't explicit enough for some people.

An amendment clarifying that Congress has the power to regulate spending of money on political campaigns and that the donation or expenditure of money for the purpose of public promotion of a political candidate can be regulated. (Overturn Citizens United via Amendment)
 
2012-05-28 07:55:57 AM
Get rid of birthright citizenship.
 
2012-05-28 07:57:02 AM
Here's one that will solve most of our problems. With every war a mandatory draft must be initiated.
 
2012-05-28 07:58:21 AM

Farkage: 9beers: pedrop357: 0/10.

Another poster might be able to get a real bite and perhaps turn up the flames, but not you.

It's cute that you think I'm trolling. The 2nd was written for a very specific reason, a reason that no longer exists today. Nobody should have access to guns except for law enforcement and the military.

You have no idea what the Second Amendment is about do you? And it's not to have a militia. The Second Amendment is there to guarantee Law Enforcement and the Military are NOT the only ones with arms.
Did you throw your umbrella and raincoat away because the 7 day forecast says sunny and nice?


Oh trust me. EVERYONE who holds that view of the 2nd Amendment knows what it's really for. Everyone that uses the word "anachronistic" to describe the 2nd Amendment knows what it's for. They just don't believe that normal people should ever be able to mount any type of violent resistance to the state. They are the faithful of the "messianic government" religion, which holds that government can heal, government can make everyone place nice, government can protect, government can clothe, government can feed, and government should have a complete monopoly on the use of force. They differ only in the degree to which they believe in their god.

Or, to put another way, they believe in exactly the opposite type of government than what the original constitution established. I just wish that they would be honest about it, especially with themselves.
 
2012-05-28 08:03:32 AM
All citizens shall be afforded all rights noted in this document, including but not limited to all amendments, with the exception to exercise the right to vote. The right to vote shall be granted only to those citizens who serve a term of service to the federal government.

/want to know more?
 
2012-05-28 08:05:25 AM

Jarhead_h: Farkage: 9beers: pedrop357: 0/10.

Another poster might be able to get a real bite and perhaps turn up the flames, but not you.

It's cute that you think I'm trolling. The 2nd was written for a very specific reason, a reason that no longer exists today. Nobody should have access to guns except for law enforcement and the military.

You have no idea what the Second Amendment is about do you? And it's not to have a militia. The Second Amendment is there to guarantee Law Enforcement and the Military are NOT the only ones with arms.
Did you throw your umbrella and raincoat away because the 7 day forecast says sunny and nice?

Oh trust me. EVERYONE who holds that view of the 2nd Amendment knows what it's really for. Everyone that uses the word "anachronistic" to describe the 2nd Amendment knows what it's for. They just don't believe that normal people should ever be able to mount any type of violent resistance to the state. They are the faithful of the "messianic government" religion, which holds that government can heal, government can make everyone place nice, government can protect, government can clothe, government can feed, and government should have a complete monopoly on the use of force. They differ only in the degree to which they believe in their god.

Or, to put another way, they believe in exactly the opposite type of government than what the original constitution established. I just wish that they would be honest about it, especially with themselves.


Well put. It's unfathomable that people still say "Bbbbut...but...but...Militia!!!" when this is very easily understood:
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington

And there are a billion others written regarding the Second Amendment by the Founding Fathers, but it's early and I wanna drink my coffee.
 
2012-05-28 08:06:48 AM
All prisons, for now and ever, will be state controlled and must never ever be run for profit.
 
2012-05-28 08:08:36 AM

No document is perfect. The U.S. Constitution was pretty good for its day but was a compromise like almost all political documents created by a committe of people representing different interests.

I would make 3 changes to the existing one, as it stands now with the current Amendments included:

1) Citizens Veto. This is an additional 'check and balance', a way for the people to tell their representatives that they got it wrong and go back and try again or drop the idea completely. While some needed reforms might be delayed, things like the war on drugs, alcohol prohibition and other silliness would be stopped before they got as far as they have:

"Any law passed by any state maybe rescinded by a referendum presented during any general election. Any law passed by the Federal Government may be rescinded by referendum of the citizens of a majority of the states, provided the total of all votes is also a majority of registered voters in the U.S., but all referendums must take place during the same year. No laws may be amended. No laws may be created."

2) Really Equal Protection Clause:
"The legislature, executive and judiciary can not be exempted from any laws and are subject to those same laws."


3) Equal Responsibility Clause:
"Any government official or agent who knowingly causes any person to be wrongly convicted of any crime whether major or minor, shall be sentenced to the same punishment issued to the wrongly accused, whether fine, imprisonment or capital. There shall be no limit to the number appeals a convicted person may submit, provided any new evidence is also presented. There shall be no immunity for any government official for any reason during the performance of their office."
 
2012-05-28 08:09:08 AM

lostinjersey: the plea bargain is actually incredibly useful for all parties. If there was no plea bargain the courts would be clogged w/people going to trial, and courts are already overflowing w/cases for many other reasons. In addition it allows an incentive for one party to roll on another party. It also allows for courts to convict people where there is a good chance a jury might not convict. The Zimmerman case is a good example. I think a conviction is unlikely even though I think he's guilty as hell. Another reason is to avoid the victim having to testify. I have a friend who's daughter was molested and is absolutely terrified of testifying. The defense knows this, and the evidence is otherwise quite strong, but to avoid forcing her to testify it looks like a plea will be accepted.


The plea bargain is also badly abused on known BS cases where the accused can't afford to stay in jail and takes the probation plea, leaving them subservient to the justice system for the next 10 years for something they didn't do, just because they were already living at the edge of their means.

It should go.

Brainsick: As the current population of the U.S. is 311,591,917, that adds up to 1,246 representatives. New York City alone would have 32 representatives.

Hooray for 'small government' Conservatism!


Because of the hugely varying size of districts, places like Wyoming afford representative voting power far in excess of others. It is more fair to lower the people per rep to balance the system.
 
2012-05-28 08:12:00 AM
No property tax. Property tax makes it impossible for any citizen to outright own their home.

Congress must only be a part time position. They will receive military pay and benefits. They will live in barracks for this monthly gathering.

Members of congress may not own stocks or trade on the stock market while in office.

Members of congress shall not influence their pay in any manor.

All men and women are equal and shall not be discriminated against nor offered exclusive protections.

The Vice President will be the individual with the second highest vote count in the Presidential election.

Men and women shall arm themselves in the same manor as ANY organization with police powers over citizens of any State of the Union.

Freedom to practice religion as long as it does not infringe upon the beliefs and rights of others. This provides protection FROM religion.

The abuse of public funds is punishable by death.
 
2012-05-28 08:13:37 AM

Jarhead_h: Farkage: 9beers: pedrop357: 0/10.

Another poster might be able to get a real bite and perhaps turn up the flames, but not you.

It's cute that you think I'm trolling. The 2nd was written for a very specific reason, a reason that no longer exists today. Nobody should have access to guns except for law enforcement and the military.

You have no idea what the Second Amendment is about do you? And it's not to have a militia. The Second Amendment is there to guarantee Law Enforcement and the Military are NOT the only ones with arms.
Did you throw your umbrella and raincoat away because the 7 day forecast says sunny and nice?

Oh trust me. EVERYONE who holds that view of the 2nd Amendment knows what it's really for. Everyone that uses the word "anachronistic" to describe the 2nd Amendment knows what it's for. They just don't believe that normal people should ever be able to mount any type of violent resistance to the state


The belief that normal people COULD mount any type of significant violent opposition to the state is laughable. This government spends more on weaponry than all other countries combined. They created a way to wipe entire towns off the map within seconds nearly 70 years ago. Just think of the insane shiat they've thought up since then.

I know it's fun for teabaggers to dress up and play colonial rebels, but you have to remember. The weapons that are legal for civilians to own are like Tonka toys in comparison to the shiat the military can unleash.

/Gun owner, but not a gun fetishist.
 
2012-05-28 08:15:02 AM
Bring back Firefly!
 
2012-05-28 08:15:17 AM
Unicameral legislature, no filibuster.

Because of the hugely varying size of districts, places like Wyoming afford representative voting power far in excess of others. It is more fair to lower the people per rep to balance the system.

This is absolutely correct. We should also increase the number of legislators to decrease persons per rep. We'll get better representation
 
2012-05-28 08:17:18 AM
NEPOTISM AMENDMENT

"No individual more closely related than a third cousin, or who has in the past or is currently married, to a sitting President of the United States of the last fifty years, shall be eligible to be President of the United States."

No more more presidents named Bush, Clinton or Kennedy (or Roosevelt or Adams for that matter) in my lifetime, please.
 
2012-05-28 08:19:13 AM
A crowd sourced Constitution is going to end up worse than the Homer Car.

Half of Americans would enable a Soviet-style government, while the other half would basically recreate the Taliban, but in Christian vestments.

Here's a short and sweet constitution for you: Do as you want; harm no one.
 
2012-05-28 08:21:43 AM

ozarkmatt: The Daily Show and Slate? Yeah, that's gonna be a clusterfark. Might as ask all those Anti-War Bush protesters from a few years ago. Gonna be the same thing.


You say "Anti-Bush" like it's a bad thing.
 
2012-05-28 08:23:25 AM

CourtroomWolf: electora


Huge. Also, law enforcement and prison guards trained to national standards subject to public review. In this new model, public safety unions can negotiate income and benefits locally, but must follow national standards and training. We need this hybrid union b/c law enforcement more militarized since 9/11 and further the only unionized who can issue physical consequence, including deadly force, upon civilians. Accordingly, any conflicts in the area of mistreatment of citizens should not receive union protections and let's have federal review by non-law enforcement to determine if federal standards were violated.
 
2012-05-28 08:23:40 AM
In order to vote you must be thirty, have a high school education, have served the country in some capacity, and be gainfully employed - i.e, have some 'skin in the game'.

Welfare comes with a free sterilization.
 
2012-05-28 08:23:42 AM

Farkage: "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington


Agreed. It is very easily understood. Much like the phrase "a well regulated militia" when viewed in the context of the whole amendment.

As George Washington indicates, there ought to be a right to keep and bear arms--in connection with disciplined service in a well regulated militia.
 
2012-05-28 08:24:53 AM

stoli n coke: Jarhead_h: Farkage: 9beers: pedrop357: 0/10.

Another poster might be able to get a real bite and perhaps turn up the flames, but not you.

It's cute that you think I'm trolling. The 2nd was written for a very specific reason, a reason that no longer exists today. Nobody should have access to guns except for law enforcement and the military.

You have no idea what the Second Amendment is about do you? And it's not to have a militia. The Second Amendment is there to guarantee Law Enforcement and the Military are NOT the only ones with arms.
Did you throw your umbrella and raincoat away because the 7 day forecast says sunny and nice?

Oh trust me. EVERYONE who holds that view of the 2nd Amendment knows what it's really for. Everyone that uses the word "anachronistic" to describe the 2nd Amendment knows what it's for. They just don't believe that normal people should ever be able to mount any type of violent resistance to the state

The belief that normal people COULD mount any type of significant violent opposition to the state is laughable. This government spends more on weaponry than all other countries combined. They created a way to wipe entire towns off the map within seconds nearly 70 years ago. Just think of the insane shiat they've thought up since then.

I know it's fun for teabaggers to dress up and play colonial rebels, but you have to remember. The weapons that are legal for civilians to own are like Tonka toys in comparison to the shiat the military can unleash.

/Gun owner, but not a gun fetishist.


Actually, I'm a very liberal leaning gun owner. But I support the WHOLE constitution as opposed to trying to pretend parts mean other than what they mean. Surprising, huh? BTW, How did Vietnam work out for us? Most powerful army in the world got beaten by peasants with bicycles and rifles.
Saudi Arabia is urging the UN and US to arm the Syrian people because "They have a tight to fight their government". Sound familiar? And just to clarify, I don't for a second think we will have that issue. Not in 20 years, 30 or maybe 40 years. But the probability is non-zero that at some point before my Nieces die that it could (and it is truly a horrible thought), so why would we give up what is there for us because things are pleasant today?
BTW, on the self defense note, it is commonly accepted (even by the Clinton administration) that firearms are used to stop or prevent crimes from happening 1.5 million+ times a year. Feel free to look that up yourself...
 
2012-05-28 08:25:01 AM
Seriously.
1. Only one purpose to any bill. That means no more pork attached to a bill. All too often our Congress enacts legislation that is buried within another bill. Hard to find sometimes. An omnibus budget act contained the proscription against firearm possession for those convicted of a domestic violence related crime. Without passing any judgment on whether or not people who have been convicted or even accused of these things should continue to have a right to firearm possession, it is entirely stupid that this important legislation should have been stuck into an omnibus budget bill. This would tie legislators to the amazing concept of accountability for that which they vote for. They won't be able to say "I had to vote for B because we needed A so much!"

2. Each bill is to have a clear title that indicates what the subject and its purpose are. That might make it easier for you common folk to figure out what them dam legislators is up to!

It is absolutely true that widows and orphans are never safe so long as the legislature is in session.
 
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