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2012-05-28 01:37:30 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Summercat: I *still* don't get the hate for the Queen and the modern-day Monarchy.

Could you ITG Hyper Nationalistic Fascists please explain it to me?

We kicked their asses back in the 18th and saved their asses twice in the 20th.. We earned the right to mock their failure to maintain an empire


This is what some 'Muricans actually believe.
 
2012-05-28 01:38:18 AM  
TFA: Much the same seems to happen in her weekly audiences with her prime ministers, of whom there have been a dozen to date. Though these meetings are completely private (no note-takers, no secretaries, no microphones), former premiers and civil servants talk about them as a kind of higher therapy, rather than a vivid exchange of views.
[...]
She knows almost every state secret of the past 60 years.


There's no equivalent of this personal continuity in U.S. government. It's not institutional memory, it's a real person's memory. She is, in essence, every prime minister's mum. They're adults, they don't have to do what she says and she doesn't tell them what to do, but they have to show up and not shame themselves. That's something.
 
2012-05-28 01:42:48 AM  

Jim_Callahan: In all fairness they were asked back to become the royal family because the puritans under Cromwell somehow sucked even more than the royalty they'd previously kicked out.


You realize you're about three royal houses off from the current occupants of the throne?

/That and Cromwell's son was as effective as an umbrella in a hurricane.
 
2012-05-28 01:49:06 AM  

Nem Wan: TFA: Much the same seems to happen in her weekly audiences with her prime ministers, of whom there have been a dozen to date. Though these meetings are completely private (no note-takers, no secretaries, no microphones), former premiers and civil servants talk about them as a kind of higher therapy, rather than a vivid exchange of views.
[...]
She knows almost every state secret of the past 60 years.

There's no equivalent of this personal continuity in U.S. government. It's not institutional memory, it's a real person's memory. She is, in essence, every prime minister's mum. They're adults, they don't have to do what she says and she doesn't tell them what to do, but they have to show up and not shame themselves. That's something.


She is someone that they can do to and unload and get advice. Because of her *very careful* political neutrality, she's safe to go to.

Having a confessor is a VERY important thing.
 
2012-05-28 01:53:20 AM  
i know a few Brits who despise the monarchy but 'work' for the Royal Mail.
 
2012-05-28 02:00:38 AM  
The future Queen and Camilla meet for the first time.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-05-28 02:05:49 AM  

6655321: The future Queen and Camilla meet for the first time.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x440]


I snickered.
 
2012-05-28 02:06:31 AM  

Summercat: Smeggy Smurf: Summercat: I *still* don't get the hate for the Queen and the modern-day Monarchy.

Could you ITG Hyper Nationalistic Fascists please explain it to me?

We kicked their asses back in the 18th and saved their asses twice in the 20th.. We earned the right to mock their failure to maintain an empire

Yeah, I think you need to relearn your history. Without intervention from Spain and France, the United States would have lost the revolutionary war. The French fleet and European allies (Marquis de Lafayette, maybe?) are big reasons that we're not part of the Dominion of North America.

Further, while we 'bailed them out' of World War 1, losing said war would not have been as wholly disasterous as losing WWII would have been, and we joined the fight in full long after the Blitz. Further, having a huge industrial base far from enemy attack/raids is a BIG advantage, as well as a homefront that couldn't be the subject of any reasonable attack. While Days of Infamy cover a Japanese invasion of Hawaii as part of the actions on December 7th, such an actual invasion was damned unlikely to succeed - Pearl Harbor was a raid, and a fairly successful one at that (in the short term, at least).

Further, by comminality of tounge and history, the United States had fairly been good allies with England since the Aristook War, the resolution of which also included fixing the Columbia border (Washington vs British Columbia) along the 49'th parallel.

Further, let us look at the Empire. Excepting South Africa, New Zealand, and Australia... how many colonies and territories were actually mostly populated by natives? Nearly all, and there were pleeeennnty of issues with South Africa. Aparthied, anyone?

You'd rather the Brits hold onto territories in a setting where the natives are demanding more and more indipendnece? The British are actual humane, after all - not Nazis trying to force their control over other people (Contrast Slovakia). In the (modern) era, trying to force people to stick in a political arrangement they don't want simply isn't possible. THe Brits would have to have military patrolling the streets and have martial law clamped down everywhere, and do you think the average guy in Manchester or London would support that?

So, once again, ITG Hyper Nationalist Fascist farktards... Why do you hate the British Monarchy in the modern day?


Awesome post.

When you start getting into Britain vs British Empire it can get a bit blurry. Being Canadian I learned a lot about the war of 1812, and since Canada wasn't a country then it was a war between The States and the British Empire. The argument can be made that Britain won that war, at least from a Canadian viewpoint.

Anyway, great post.
 
2012-05-28 02:09:53 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I know that "Queen" is her title, as is "President", therefore they should both be capitalized. As should, Senator, Congressman/Congresswoman, etc.


Until any of them can balance a budget:

How About No?
 
2012-05-28 02:15:18 AM  

Asplenium: Summercat: Smeggy Smurf: Summercat: I *still* don't get the hate for the Queen and the modern-day Monarchy.

Could you ITG Hyper Nationalistic Fascists please explain it to me?

We kicked their asses back in the 18th and saved their asses twice in the 20th.. We earned the right to mock their failure to maintain an empire

Yeah, I think you need to relearn your history. Without intervention from Spain and France, the United States would have lost the revolutionary war. The French fleet and European allies (Marquis de Lafayette, maybe?) are big reasons that we're not part of the Dominion of North America.

Further, while we 'bailed them out' of World War 1, losing said war would not have been as wholly disasterous as losing WWII would have been, and we joined the fight in full long after the Blitz. Further, having a huge industrial base far from enemy attack/raids is a BIG advantage, as well as a homefront that couldn't be the subject of any reasonable attack. While Days of Infamy cover a Japanese invasion of Hawaii as part of the actions on December 7th, such an actual invasion was damned unlikely to succeed - Pearl Harbor was a raid, and a fairly successful one at that (in the short term, at least).

Further, by comminality of tounge and history, the United States had fairly been good allies with England since the Aristook War, the resolution of which also included fixing the Columbia border (Washington vs British Columbia) along the 49'th parallel.

Further, let us look at the Empire. Excepting South Africa, New Zealand, and Australia... how many colonies and territories were actually mostly populated by natives? Nearly all, and there were pleeeennnty of issues with South Africa. Aparthied, anyone?

You'd rather the Brits hold onto territories in a setting where the natives are demanding more and more indipendnece? The British are actual humane, after all - not Nazis trying to force their control over other people (Contrast Slovakia). In the (modern) era, trying t ...


we really don't like to talk about the war of 1812 here in America. We basically do the "ahh we won now lets move on". I did learn a bit more about it because I grew up in Michigan (and Michiganders love to talk about anything involving the state) but besides that we go from the Revolution to the civil war. Here is a nice piece i read on slate that kind of sums it up. Link
 
2012-05-28 02:22:13 AM  
Asplenium:Awesome post.

When you start getting into Britain vs British Empire it can get a bit blurry. Being Canadian I learned a lot about the war of 1812, and since Canada wasn't a country then it was a war between The States and the British Empire. The argument can be made that Britain won that war, at least from a Canadian viewpoint.

Anyway, great post.

I grant Canadians a lot. But the forces that fought off the Americans in 1812-15 were mainly British Regulars. Redcoats. That includes the force that burned Washington DC, under Admiral Cockburn and General Ross.

I'll grant Canadians a lot, and give them a lot, and welcome them as my brothers and sisters, if not our cousins - But I won't give 'em something they didn't earn, much for the same reasons I won't say that the US was all OMGWTFAWESOMEHAHAHAHAWEBEETJOOO in the Revolutionary War.

/US Navy outsailed the Brits
//Long live the Essex and Ol' Ironsides
 
2012-05-28 02:25:12 AM  
 
2012-05-28 02:46:25 AM  
lyndonlarouchewatch.org
She controls the global drug trade! She is teh EEEEE-VILLE incarnate! Teh Bushes are crypto-Royalists! Obama = Hilter!!11!1!
 
2012-05-28 03:10:28 AM  

Summercat: So, once again, ITG Hyper Nationalist Fascist farktards... Why do you hate the British Monarchy in the modern day?


Cuz ferriners are scary. Even the white ones.
 
2012-05-28 03:25:51 AM  

Summercat: Asplenium:Awesome post.

When you start getting into Britain vs British Empire it can get a bit blurry. Being Canadian I learned a lot about the war of 1812, and since Canada wasn't a country then it was a war between The States and the British Empire. The argument can be made that Britain won that war, at least from a Canadian viewpoint.

Anyway, great post.

I grant Canadians a lot. But the forces that fought off the Americans in 1812-15 were mainly British Regulars. Redcoats. That includes the force that burned Washington DC, under Admiral Cockburn and General Ross.

I'll grant Canadians a lot, and give them a lot, and welcome them as my brothers and sisters, if not our cousins - But I won't give 'em something they didn't earn, much for the same reasons I won't say that the US was all OMGWTFAWESOMEHAHAHAHAWEBEETJOOO in the Revolutionary War.

/US Navy outsailed the Brits
//Long live the Essex and Ol' Ironsides


I fully agree, but many Canadians probably wouldn't. We (at least we in Ontario) are pretty much raised on 'Canada won the war of 1812', which isn't accurate for multiple reasons as you seem to be fully aware of. Many Canadians would say that we burnt the Whitehouse down, but that was the British and we're just trying to piggyback on their accomplishments. It wasn't until the 20th century where I'd say Canada started coming into it's own.
 
2012-05-28 03:42:23 AM  

Asplenium: Summercat: Asplenium:Awesome post.

When you start getting into Britain vs British Empire it can get a bit blurry. Being Canadian I learned a lot about the war of 1812, and since Canada wasn't a country then it was a war between The States and the British Empire. The argument can be made that Britain won that war, at least from a Canadian viewpoint.

Anyway, great post.

I grant Canadians a lot. But the forces that fought off the Americans in 1812-15 were mainly British Regulars. Redcoats. That includes the force that burned Washington DC, under Admiral Cockburn and General Ross.

I'll grant Canadians a lot, and give them a lot, and welcome them as my brothers and sisters, if not our cousins - But I won't give 'em something they didn't earn, much for the same reasons I won't say that the US was all OMGWTFAWESOMEHAHAHAHAWEBEETJOOO in the Revolutionary War.

/US Navy outsailed the Brits
//Long live the Essex and Ol' Ironsides

I fully agree, but many Canadians probably wouldn't. We (at least we in Ontario) are pretty much raised on 'Canada won the war of 1812', which isn't accurate for multiple reasons as you seem to be fully aware of. Many Canadians would say that we burnt the Whitehouse down, but that was the British and we're just trying to piggyback on their accomplishments. It wasn't until the 20th century where I'd say Canada started coming into it's own.


That would be in the late Victorian era and the advent of modernesque Liberalism as a practical force in Europe. The Victorian era saw the development of Brittan as a democratic society (The Edwardian era, IIRC without looking it up, was where the Commons gained the sole effective power of government; it's usually lumped into Victorian with Victorian ending with WWI), France transitioned into the Third Republic. You had the various nationalistic movements occuring all over the world, particularly with European societies - the Ottoman empire was falling apart due to it, the Russians were having issues but not many, and you had the German Unification (Ultimately under Prussia after the Franco-Prussian war).

WWI, plus early 20th century technology, had all the colonies reveling in their own national identity as adult children of Brittan, not merely possessions. WWI led to the various events (ANZAC, others I can't remember off my head) that gave 'definitions' to what already existed.

Frankly, the British Empire was doomed to falling apart. The most amazing thing is that it actually lapsed amicably, of it's own accord. While there is no current American Empire as such, I could only hope that the United States lapses into a secondary power status as peacefully.
 
2012-05-28 04:17:49 AM  
Queen Haters

Link
 
2012-05-28 04:24:24 AM  

Palooka_Joe: Queen Haters

Link


Scroll up a bit.
 
2012-05-28 04:29:54 AM  

GreenAdder: Palooka_Joe: Queen Haters

Link

Scroll up a bit.


Yeah, I saw that after I posted.
 
2012-05-28 04:34:42 AM  

Summercat: I *still* don't get the hate for the Queen and the modern-day Monarchy.

Could you ITG Hyper Nationalistic Fascists please explain it to me?


I don't hate the Queen, nor any of the royal family, really. I think she does a good job of it, actually. And I have growing confidence in Charles as well - which surprises me. As a New Zealander I think we're ready for our own head of state, but it would probably be a very difficult argument over what powers a NZ president would hold here. Our legislature would much prefer just having an appointed ceremonial figurehead, like the current Governor-General. The republican movement in NZ would like a president to be directly elected and have genuine executive power acting as a check on Parliament and unless that happens, I would prefer to stay with the current system.
 
2012-05-28 04:49:49 AM  

thisispete: Summercat: I *still* don't get the hate for the Queen and the modern-day Monarchy.

Could you ITG Hyper Nationalistic Fascists please explain it to me?

I don't hate the Queen, nor any of the royal family, really. I think she does a good job of it, actually. And I have growing confidence in Charles as well - which surprises me. As a New Zealander I think we're ready for our own head of state, but it would probably be a very difficult argument over what powers a NZ president would hold here. Our legislature would much prefer just having an appointed ceremonial figurehead, like the current Governor-General. The republican movement in NZ would like a president to be directly elected and have genuine executive power acting as a check on Parliament and unless that happens, I would prefer to stay with the current system.


And that's the great option for ya'll: You can spend the time to choose and consider. The Queen (Or a later King) isn't going to force New Zealand to accept stuff they don't want. That'd cause a full-on break with London on the one hand, and damage the monarchy on the other.

So you've got the luxury of spending plenty of time to decide if you want her as a figurehead, or get your own local president.
 
2012-05-28 04:52:07 AM  
She's watching you masturbate?

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-05-28 04:54:15 AM  
Camelot!

i.dailymail.co.uk

(it's only a model...)
 
2012-05-28 05:10:28 AM  

Pert: (it's only a model...)


Shhhh!
 
2012-05-28 05:20:30 AM  

gobstopping: I once thought Americans were the stupidest people on earth, but then you look at the comments of this epic fap-piece and how they're modded, and I facepalm so much that it leaves a giant red handprint on my forehead.

If someone either feels like they're live is better by, or feels like the world is better by an overrated group of inbred hillbilly types living on welfare, being driven around, fed, and their asses wiped while providing literally NO benefit to justify their existence even to people who worship them. . . You are a failure of a human being. Time to tell the old hoe-bag queenie and her cross eyed senile husband to get a real farking job.

Sorry, but the brown-nosing article just really made me want to vomit a little. I think we have a new Candidate for "Groom Of The Stool" The Editor for The Daily Fail. Now, back to the UFO stories and celeb gossip we know and "love" from this "fine font of journalism". . .

*Middle Finger*


Look how stupid you are!
 
2012-05-28 05:27:26 AM  

fusillade762: If that guy looked any more British he'd have blood black pudding coming out of his ears.


We don't call it "blood pudding", we call it "black pudding", although it is, technically, a blood pudding. I think that blood pudding is the generic term.

www.buryblackpuddings.co.uk
 
2012-05-28 05:43:35 AM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: GAT_00: Scotland will be leaving before too long.

HA! The only country with oil that can't manage without the English sending them billions to stay afloat? They're actually doing more to stick it to the English by making them spend money on them.


You do realise that Scotland is a net contributer to the UK? More money is sent to the Westminster government than is spent. You need to stop getting your 'facts' from the Daily Mail.
 
2012-05-28 05:54:25 AM  

Spiralmonkey: Ken VeryBigLiar: GAT_00: Scotland will be leaving before too long.

HA! The only country with oil that can't manage without the English sending them billions to stay afloat? They're actually doing more to stick it to the English by making them spend money on them.

You do realise that Scotland is a net contributer to the UK? More money is sent to the Westminster government than is spent. You need to stop getting your 'facts' from the Daily Mail.


There's also the fact that independence doesn't seem to be that popular north of the border.
 
2012-05-28 06:03:17 AM  
She enjoys being crop dusted.

www.sparkypower.com
 
mjl
2012-05-28 06:19:17 AM  

Baron Harkonnen: cman: I know that she's of German ethnicity (not Germanic, the House of Windsor is an offshoot of a German royal house), and a lot of British people despise her for that

I can't imagine people hating their leader like that because they don't like her ethnicity.
That's why I'm glad I live in America.


AFAIK we don't... we may mock it though :-) Anyone who does despise it, is just using it as a poor excuse for republican sentiment
 
2012-05-28 06:20:30 AM  

Mad Scientist: She enjoys being crop dusted.

[www.sparkypower.com image 600x600]


She is not amused.
 
2012-05-28 06:31:35 AM  

krampus503: [i.imgur.com image 500x208]
I know that she doesn't know her ABC's anymore.

/It's a fact!
//ABCD...XPQ...RXYD... Hello!


Just curious... did you notice her teeth are as yellow as sunshine?

I am guessing she is British.
 
2012-05-28 06:35:59 AM  
I know that picture of her and her husband with the safety glasses is begging for a caption thread.
 
2012-05-28 06:46:07 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Summercat: I *still* don't get the hate for the Queen and the modern-day Monarchy.

.. We earned the right to mock their failure to maintain an empire


S'funny. That's what these guys say.

www.indynewsisrael.com

http://www.indynewsisrael.com/secret-us-report-says-taliban-to-retake - afghanistan
 
2012-05-28 06:49:28 AM  

6655321: The future Queen and Camilla meet for the first time.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x440]


Weird. She resembles Jennifer Tilly in that shot.

www.facesofpoker.com

We are most amused.
 
2012-05-28 07:08:40 AM  
I know the Queen is short.
Likes horses a lot and is a very good judge of them.
Supposed to be good at dogs too.
Is such a keen christian she has her own church!
Can drive a Land Rover.
Ermmm.
Really there's not much to say about her, she's stayed popular by not being unpopular - being super discreet and not getting in people's face all the time.
I've heard that she is a very good listener but doesn't say much at all.

The royals are basically an old fashioned country aristocrat family with all the interests old fashioned British aristos had: horses, dogs, farming and hunting.
If you aren't interested in those things people like that are very dull as they tend not to have much to say outside that.

cman: I know that she's of German ethnicity (not Germanic, the House of Windsor is an offshoot of a German royal house), and a lot of British people despise her for that

mjl: AFAIK we don't... we may mock it though :-) Anyone who does despise it, is just using it as a poor excuse for republican sentiment

Bigoted sentiment more like, it is a thing ignorant people occasionally mention about the royals but as I remember it was a British royal married into Hannoverian royalty and his/her descendants inherited the British throne in lieu of any more suitable candidates.
So the bigots get that one wrong too - no surprise.
 
2012-05-28 07:15:49 AM  

unyon: I can't believe how she decimated the British military budget through the 80s and 90s. One wonders what she was thinking.


Pssst, you'll want to talk to the government about that kinda stuff, the queen doesn't really do anything with budgets and the such like. She's very much ceremonial, god bless her and all who sail in her.
 
2012-05-28 07:29:34 AM  
img.photobucket.com

To be viewed while listening to Rule Britannia in full chorus
 
2012-05-28 07:40:50 AM  

unyon: I can't believe how she decimated the British military budget through the 80s and 90s. One wonders what she was thinking.


You would be right not to believe that, given that the Queen has approximately fark ALL to do with deciding the military budget.
 
2012-05-28 07:56:57 AM  
I heard Freddie Mercury had teh ghey!
 
2012-05-28 09:28:16 AM  
www.sparkypower.com

Man, that's one hideous looking family. Who's the dude standing between Stupid Charlie and his dad?

Since I've brought up hideous, It's been my observation that the English are, on average, the least attractive people in Europe...that goes double for the females. The most attractive people in the UK tend to be foreigners or British citizens that are of mixed parentage.
 
2012-05-28 10:07:43 AM  
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-05-28 10:11:12 AM  
Unlike the article, I know she has two great grandaughters.

/Daily Fail indeed.
 
2012-05-28 10:13:21 AM  

Fissile: [www.sparkypower.com image 600x600]

Man, that's one hideous looking family. Who's the dude standing between Stupid Charlie and his dad?

Since I've brought up hideous, It's been my observation that the English are, on average, the least attractive people in Europe...that goes double for the females. The most attractive people in the UK tend to be foreigners or British citizens that are of mixed parentage.


That would be the Princess Royal, Princess Anne. Yes, you read that correct. That's a female. Pretty homely looking gal. She was prettier when she was younger, but man.....those Windsor genes kicked in in at a certain point, and it was all downhill from there.
 
2012-05-28 11:13:37 AM  

cman: I know that she's of German ethnicity (not Germanic, the House of Windsor is an offshoot of a German royal house), and a lot of British people despise her for that


Well, the entire isle is an offshoot of Germans (Angles, Saxons), generally, so I don't get the butthurt on this. The repetition of this line of b.s. is so old.

gobstopping:
There IS NO house of Windsor. She's from the house of Saxe Colburg Goethe out of Bavaria. They made up the "Windsor" name during WWI as a psychological war move to try to make them appear more "British".


Unless my sarcasmometer is broken, I'm sure ol' Johann-Wolfgang would be amused by your faux-pas.

//you wouldn't list three outright errors without deliberately being a smartass, would you?
 
2012-05-28 11:39:55 AM  
The queen? Judging by this camera footage I don't think we know anything about her.
 
2012-05-28 11:50:35 AM  

cman: I know that she's of German ethnicity (not Germanic, the House of Windsor is an offshoot of a German royal house), and a lot of British people despise her for that


I do not know a single other Brit who "despise" QEII or any member of her family for this reason - any other British farkers care to correct me?

I despise the concept of a hereditary head of state.
I despise some of Prince Bigears' positions on alt. med. and other psuedo-science.
I despise the fawning, forelock-tugging attitude some people have toward the monarchy.
I despise the fact that we, technically, live in a theocracy.

But despite all that (and much else), I can't despise her as a person. She didn't have a choice of whether to be born a princess or not and it's not her fault that, as a nation, we've collectively failed to do away with such an anachronistic absurdity.

In her position as Queen, she's conducted herself immaculately. Given the way her children turned out we can't say the same for her as a mother, but that should be her own private business. It's only of concern to the rest of us in the first place because of the hereditary principle. If we reject that premise (as I do) we can't then blame her personally for its consequences. Is it even possible to be good at both jobs anyway? Especially given that growing up with one parent the head of state (monarch, dictator or otherwise) for your whole life might fark the kids up anyway?

TLDR version: The Queen is OK, Monarchy is stupid.
 
2012-05-28 11:52:46 AM  

footshot: unyon: I can't believe how she decimated the British military budget through the 80s and 90s. One wonders what she was thinking.

Pssst, you'll want to talk to the government about that kinda stuff, the queen doesn't really do anything with budgets and the such like. She's very much ceremonial, god bless her and all who sail in her.

Pert: unyon: I can't believe how she decimated the British military budget through the 80s and 90s. One wonders what she was thinking.

You would be right not to believe that, given that the Queen has approximately fark ALL to do with deciding the military budget.


*sigh*

[thatsthejoke.jpg]
 
2012-05-28 11:59:54 AM  

james1878: I do not know a single other Brit who "despise" QEII or any member of her family for this reason - any other British farkers care to correct me?


I have never met anyone who actually "despises" the Queen, and to be honest there aren't that many people who actually despise the monarchy. Many might think that there is a better way of doing things and that monarchy is an anachronism, but aside from the hard-core anti-monarchist groups I don't think many people "despise" our monarchy.

I suspect there will be millions celebrating the jubilee.

/not me, I have exams and will be revising......but otherwise I'd head down to London to see the flotilla and drink some Pimms.
 
2012-05-28 12:22:14 PM  

unyon:

*sigh*

[thatsthejoke.jpg]


I can't detect jokes whilst sober :)

Given fark as my measure of how much Americans know about the rest of the world, what was I to think!

yes, I've clicked your profile to see where you hail from, yes, that's the joke too :)
 
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