KellyLockhart: I remember watching "Operation: Daybreak" as a kid and being really freaked out by the ending. Years later, I found it was a true story and was even more freaked out (and amazed).

Good damned movie.

Good.

Fascism fails.

Police states suck.

Word.

;)

They did nazi that coming.

Memorial for the three people in "Operation Anthropoid".

Because grinding people under your bootheel and threatening them with extermination always works out in the end.

Well done gents, for having the steel ones to get rid of an evil human being. I am just sorry that the cost was so high.

"SS Obergruppenfuehrer Reinhard Heydrich, the acting Reichsprotektor of Bohemia and Moravia"

Almost sounds like an introduction to some game show contestant.

/Heydrich was almost the definition of evil.

Gyrfalcon: "Very angry indeed!"

Hiya, Gorgeous.

I'll raise a glass to any asskickers of Nazi-dom.

Cheers, mates.

coco ebert: Kubis, Gabcik and Valcik hid for three weeks after the assassination before they were betrayed. On 18 June 1942, they were surrounded in the crypt of a church. For several hours, they and four comrades held off an assault by over 700 Waffen SS and Gestapo troops, who ordered the Prague Fire Brigade to flood the crypt.

In the end, the three took their own lives. Bishop Gorazd, the Orthodox priest who had sheltered them, was arrested, tortured and executed.

I've been to that church and the crypt where they hid out. Very, very moving.

Is it wrong that the first thing this reminded me of was a level out of Max Payne 3? Anyway, that is an amazing story. I'm not too familiar with it.

Mentat: Good riddance to a truly evil man.

Exactly. Just one rubber mask away from becoming a real-life Red Skull.

Wayne 985: coco ebert: Kubis, Gabcik and Valcik hid for three weeks after the assassination before they were betrayed.

I wonder what the Commies did to that squealer after WWII?

/snitches get stitches

As an aspiring evil genius and global dominator, I consider Lidice to be the way to deal with resistors

TV's Vinnie: Wayne 985: coco ebert: Kubis, Gabcik and Valcik hid for three weeks after the assassination before they were betrayed.

I wonder what the Commies did to that squealer after WWII?

/snitches get stitches

They came for him...

Standing here, you fearful farks.

Where're you?

Frick off.

;)_

Mr Denemarek himself miraculously escaped suspicion and survived. In a final ironic twist, after the war he was accused by the Communists of being a Nazi collaborator.

Oh hearing that must've been rich for him

*sniff*

*sniff*

*found*

next?

almandot: Mr Denemarek himself miraculously escaped suspicion and survived. In a final ironic twist, after the war he was accused by the Communists of being a Nazi collaborator.

Oh hearing that must've been rich for him

I read a story of one guy in Poland who was working for the Nazis, but spying for the underground and helping local families. The whole time he knew if the Poles won, he would be killed as a Nazi sympathizer.

And he was.

I think that was in Benjamin Mendelkern's memoir, "Escape the Nazis."

The human cost was enormous. The men's families were rounded up and shot. The Czech villages of Lidice and Lezaky - based on flawed intelligence reports linking them to the parachutists - were razed and their inhabitants shot or sent to the camps. Another 15,000 people met the same fate.


This evil man was eventually replaced by other evil men... but his assassination directly resulted in the death of 15,000 innocent people...

Good job, hero.

Relatively Obscure: Came strictly for Marvin the Martian.

Leaving satisfied.

KiplingKat872: almandot: Mr Denemarek himself miraculously escaped suspicion and survived. In a final ironic twist, after the war he was accused by the Communists of being a Nazi collaborator.

Oh hearing that must've been rich for him

I read a story of one guy in Poland who was working for the Nazis, but spying for the underground and helping local families. The whole time he knew if the Poles won, he would be killed as a Nazi sympathizer.

And he was.

I think that was in Benjamin Mendelkern's memoir, "Escape the Nazis."

That's very similar to the plot of one of my favorite Vonnegut books.

traylor: The human cost was enormous. The men's families were rounded up and shot. The Czech villages of Lidice and Lezaky - based on flawed intelligence reports linking them to the parachutists - were razed and their inhabitants shot or sent to the camps. Another 15,000 people met the same fate.


This evil man was eventually replaced by other evil men... but his assassination directly resulted in the death of 15,000 innocent people...

Good job, hero.


Totally worth it. When your already in hell, spit in the devils eye, even if he eats your kids. Did you think he would make you tea and crumpets if you hadn't? No, these people were farked, completely farked, no hope. So they spit in the devils eye on the way out. Beats taking it up the ass like you would, biatch.

/ok your trolling and you got me, but I was pre-angry so it was easy for you.

Bullets make heavy friends, man.

Heavy Metal...

;)

Mentalpatient87: KiplingKat872: almandot: Mr Denemarek himself miraculously escaped suspicion and survived. In a final ironic twist, after the war he was accused by the Communists of being a Nazi collaborator.

Oh hearing that must've been rich for him

I read a story of one guy in Poland who was working for the Nazis, but spying for the underground and helping local families. The whole time he knew if the Poles won, he would be killed as a Nazi sympathizer.

And he was.

I think that was in Benjamin Mendelkern's memoir, "Escape the Nazis."

That's very similar to the plot of one of my favorite Vonnegut books.

You have to figure there were a lot of people in that position, if they didn't work for the Nazis, they and there families would suffer and probably die, but if they did native patriots would kill them as collaborators. They must have figured they were dead either way, and so used their position to do the most good.

"...their families..."

Damnit.

RealAmericanHero: FTA:
"Even though it cost the lives of my family, my brother, my mother, my father and hundreds, thousands of other people."

"But as I always say - that's nothing compared to the losses we would have suffered if Heydrich had been allowed to live."

Indeed. It's a good think that none of it could have gone on without Heydrich, else we'd be reading about mass executions in concentration camps today. It might even redefine the word holocaust or something. Phew, dodged a bullet on that one.

It's called a war of attrition, something this country has had recent experience with. The guerillas just keep grinding and grinding the occupiers down until it becomes to costly to stay.

And the replacement of a upper level commander probably delayed thing by weeks, if not months, allowing people to go into hiding or escape. They never did get started on shipping the slavs to the camps in large numbers.

Oldiron_79: As an aspiring evil genius and global dominator, I consider Lidice to be the way to deal with resistors

Oradour-sur-Glane and half of eastern Russia would also be examples.

thisispete: Some years ago I took a two-semester course in how the Holocaust has been interpreted on film. Harrowing and heart-wrenching stuff. Conspiracy with Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich was particularly chilling.

Conspiracy was an incredible movie. I rememebr watching a pirated copy in Junior English Class right after we watched Schindler's List.

Our English teacher was the daughter of a holocaust survivor. She seemed determined to make sure that everyone who passed through her class knew as much about it as possible.

There's a film about Paris partisans called The Army of Crime. It's pretty amazing but I don't know how accurate it is. The man who made it said that it was difficult to make in modern France because the partisans were politically incorrect with the current government.

BronyMedic: thisispete:

Our English teacher was the daughter of a holocaust survivor. She seemed determined to make sure that everyone who passed through her class knew as much about it as possible.

This.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Good on her.

The Czechs are hardy bastards

doglover: orclover: No, these people were farked, completely farked, no hope.

Actually, except for the Jews, they probably weren't that farked. Germany wanted to conquer, not enslave. They needed taxpayers, farmers, skilled labor, and fresh young boys who spoke German and could sling a gun around.

The real problem is the Nazis were able to find out who the people were. A good black ops team should be untraceable as well as expendable. At the very least, suicide vests. This way not even most biometrics will help.

No, Germany wanted resources for the Aryan Race. They moved German families into the houses they took from the Jews, gave their businesses to German owners. Hitler was very clear about that. In "Mein Kampf" he was quite explicit, the Slavs were only slightly above the Jews and Romany on the "subhuman" scale and were the next on the chopping block after the Jews had been eliminated.

And they knew it, which is why their undergrounds fought so hard.

Even as the war was winding down, Hitler was diverting trains that should have been used for supply and troop movements to ship ad many Jews to the camps as he could. He was not sane.

That's the reason the Russians fought as hard as they did.

Heck, German women were rewarded for cranking out as many kids as they could. It eould not surprise me if Germans were encouraged to move into occupied territories. They taking over Europe for the Aryans to use.

It is said that Heydrich's own uniform had lodged in his spleen. Job well done I say.

Any day you can really piss off Hitler is a good day.

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Came for this. Leaving satisfied.

doglover: Actually, except for the Jews, they probably weren't that farked. Germany wanted to conquer, not enslave. They needed taxpayers, farmers, skilled labor, and fresh young boys who spoke German and could sling a gun around.

Uh, no. The evential goal of Hitler et all was that Earth would be populated by blue eyed, blonde, and lightly tanned people of the true Germanic Aryan descent.

Anyone not of this linage would have either been restricted to reproduce, killed off, or sterilized. Anyone was fair game.

The British always seem to have the best (or, perhaps, "the most audacious") operations.

BronyMedic: doglover: Actually, except for the Jews, they probably weren't that farked. Germany wanted to conquer, not enslave. They needed taxpayers, farmers, skilled labor, and fresh young boys who spoke German and could sling a gun around.

Uh, no. The evential goal of Hitler et all was that Earth would be populated by blue eyed, blonde, and lightly tanned people of the true Germanic Aryan descent.

Anyone not of this linage would have either been restricted to reproduce, killed off, or sterilized. Anyone was fair game.

And Japan at the time was racially xenophobic. I've always wondered how they thought they were eventually going to settle that?

HiFiGuy: The British always seem to have the best (or, perhaps, "the most audacious") operations.

Not always. My great uncle died in the Dieppe Raid (a prelim to Normandy) which simply should have never taken place.

My great aunt had a grudge to the day she died. "The British. They'll fight to the last Canadian."

KiplingKat872: Because grinding people under your bootheel and threatening them with extermination always works out in the end.

Well done gents, for having the steel ones to get rid of an evil human being. I am just sorry that the cost was so high.

But what did it get the Czech people? The international community sold out Czechoslovkia in 1938/39 by handing it over to Hitler for a promise of peace.Then after their "liberation" in 1945 they get sold out again by FDR/Truman and suffer for over four decades under the tyranny of Soviet Russia.

Poland and old Czechoslovakia offer good examples why no nation should rely on the international communtiy to protect its interests much less its sovereignty.

HiFiGuy: The British always seem to have the best (or, perhaps, "the most audacious") operations.

That was not entirely fair. They were excellent at training and supporting the resistance, and the smaller specialist units/battalions were very daring and quite effective. (There were a few of them, but the SAS was the only one that continued, after a brief hiatus, after the war.) Dieppe was more the fault of politicians and Whitehall than the working military.

hasty ambush: KiplingKat872: Because grinding people under your bootheel and threatening them with extermination always works out in the end.

Well done gents, for having the steel ones to get rid of an evil human being. I am just sorry that the cost was so high.

But what did it get the Czech people? The international community sold out Czechoslovkia in 1938/39 by handing it over to Hitler for a promise of peace.Then after their "liberation" in 1945 they get sold out again by FDR/Truman and suffer for over four decades under the tyranny of Soviet Russia.

Poland and old Czechoslovakia offer good examples why no nation should rely on the international communtiy to protect its interests much less its sovereignty.

Yeah, because nothing has changed in Europe in 70 years.

But keep ragging on patriots for fighting for their country.

KiplingKat872: That's the reason the Russians fought as hard as they did.

Heck, German women were rewarded for cranking out as many kids as they could. It eould not surprise me if Germans were encouraged to move into occupied territories. They taking over Europe for the Aryans to use.

The only place this was wasn't expressly forbidden was in occupied Norway; you could be punished with being shipped off to the Russian front. One of the chicks in Abba's father was is the Wehrmacht if memory serves.

Ken VeryBigLiar: KiplingKat872: That's the reason the Russians fought as hard as they did.

Heck, German women were rewarded for cranking out as many kids as they could. It eould not surprise me if Germans were encouraged to move into occupied territories. They taking over Europe for the Aryans to use.

The only place this was wasn't expressly forbidden was in occupied Norway; you could be punished with being shipped off to the Russian front. One of the chicks in Abba's father was is the Wehrmacht if memory serves.

I said, "moved in," not "interbreed." Schindler moved to Poland if I remember.

KiplingKat872: I said, "moved in," not "interbreed." Schindler moved to Poland if I remember.

If they were factor owners, sure. But bankers and other sorts weren't really encouraged to move out; for a while they tried a sort of summer camp for older teens in the Hitler Youth. They cancelled it when scores of young girls came back from the country knocked up.

The Czechs taught Germans the lesson of "Do no fark with us", they the Soviets the lesson of "LOL you think you can intimidate us?". No matter who might be in control Czechs just do their thing.

How can anyone begrudge these guys for being part of the underground resistance? If the Nazis rolled into your town, would you take their bullshiat or do what you could to fight back?

TheShavingofOccam123: Relatively Obscure: Came strictly for Marvin the Martian.

Leaving satisfied.

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WTF is that? Did a Tasmanian devil have sex with an anorexic popple?

JungleBoogie: What always intrigued me was that Hitler, with the theories of Germanic genetics and Aryan-ness allied with two distinctly non-Aryan races: the Italians who have a significant number of non-whites, and the Japanese, who are clearly completely non-white. Hitler wound up slaughtering millions of European whites in his quest for global domination.

Could it be that the whole rally-around-being-an-Aryan was just a propaganda mechanism (to which the Germans were deeply susceptible) in order to unite the Germans? And the core reason behind Hitler's dreams was just a sociopathic narcissism, seeing himself as leader of the world?

It was a combination of that, and merely a situation of convenience. Use the japs to win the war, then fight the japs another day. No one doubted the day would come, Germany just really, really needed help. They were awfully lonely.

JungleBoogie: What always intrigued me was that Hitler, with the theories of Germanic genetics and Aryan-ness allied with two distinctly non-Aryan races: the Italians who have a significant number of non-whites, and the Japanese, who are clearly completely non-white. Hitler wound up slaughtering millions of European whites in his quest for global domination.

He really didn't consider most of the countries they invaded as his brand of white. The Czechs and SE Europe were too close to the Slavs and gypsies, the Russians were mongrels crossed with Asians, and the French... hell, nobody likes the French. He disliked it that the British entered the war since some of them, the Germans, Norskies and Swedes were about the limit on what he considered "Aryan".

JungleBoogie: What always intrigued me was that Hitler, with the theories of Germanic genetics and Aryan-ness allied with two distinctly non-Aryan races: the Italians who have a significant number of non-whites, and the Japanese, who are clearly completely non-white. Hitler wound up slaughtering millions of European whites in his quest for global domination.

Could it be that the whole rally-around-being-an-Aryan was just a propaganda mechanism (to which the Germans were deeply susceptible) in order to unite the Germans? And the core reason behind Hitler's dreams was just a sociopathic narcissism, seeing himself as leader of the world?

Well, that is the route facism takes to a populace: Unite a country, usually by ideals of ethnic purity, and turn them against percieved "outsiders." And Hitler was most certainly sociopathic and a narcissist. But he also believed it, even when acting on it to the detriment of Germany. Had he held onto the Jews in the German academic community, he would have had the Atomic Bomb before we did. As I mentioned above, at the end of the war, he was diverting trains from supplying and moving his troops to get as many Jews into the gas chambers as possible. He forced anthropologists to prove that Cro-Magnon man was Aryan. It goes on and on, beyond cynical propaganda.

The cynicism was in his alliances. Had the Axis won the war, I doubt Itally would have survived more than five years after that, and I am sure he thought he would get rid of the Japanese eventually too.

KiplingKat872: RealAmericanHero: FTA:
"Even though it cost the lives of my family, my brother, my mother, my father and hundreds, thousands of other people."

"But as I always say - that's nothing compared to the losses we would have suffered if Heydrich had been allowed to live."

Indeed. It's a good think that none of it could have gone on without Heydrich, else we'd be reading about mass executions in concentration camps today. It might even redefine the word holocaust or something. Phew, dodged a bullet on that one.

It's called a war of attrition, something this country has had recent experience with. The guerillas just keep grinding and grinding the occupiers down until it becomes to costly to stay.

"You will kill ten of us, we will kill one of you, but in the end, you will tire of it first."
― Hồ Chí Minh

eggrolls: Any day you can really piss off Hitler is a good day.

I'm so quoting you.

Don't Troll Me Bro!: TheShavingofOccam123: Relatively Obscure: Came strictly for Marvin the Martian.

Leaving satisfied.

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WTF is that? Did a Tasmanian devil have sex with an anorexic popple?

I think you could describe that as an older kitten who just got his first bath.

Angry Hitler is angry.

JungleBoogie: What always intrigued me was that Hitler, with the theories of Germanic genetics and Aryan-ness allied with two distinctly non-Aryan races: the Italians who have a significant number of non-whites, and the Japanese, who are clearly completely non-white. Hitler wound up slaughtering millions of European whites in his quest for global domination.

Could it be that the whole rally-around-being-an-Aryan was just a propaganda mechanism (to which the Germans were deeply susceptible) in order to unite the Germans? And the core reason behind Hitler's dreams was just a sociopathic narcissism, seeing himself as leader of the world?

No. The Core of the Nazi German government and military was chosen to be utterly faithful and devotional to Hitler's vision for an Aryan World. Had Hitler won the war, Italy would have survived long enough to see Rome and the Vatican burned to the ground, and the camps fired up to kill the non-white Italians. Hitler was notoriously anti-catholic, and saw Christianity as meerly a tool to get what he wanted, and a way to further his Anti-semetic propaganda.

Hitler was only a year or two, arguably, away from a workable nuclear weapon when we started bombing the crap out of his production and research facilities in Holland and Greater Germany. Had he had a weapon like that, he would have launched a war of annihilation against the Japanese people, who he had little love for, as well.

traylor: This evil man was eventually replaced by other evil men... but his assassination directly resulted in the death of 15,000 innocent people...
Good job, hero.
hasty ambush: But what did it get the Czech people?

You find philosophical comfort waiting complacently for your chance at a dodge from your bullet.

One can sympathize, if not respect.

BronyMedic: Hitler was only a year or two, arguably, away from a workable nuclear weapon when we started bombing the crap out of his production and research facilities in Holland and Greater Germany. Had he had a weapon like that, he would have launched a war of annihilation against the Japanese people, who he had little love for, as well.

This is a good point. You need to keep in mind these were truly evil (maybe) people, they didnt think like we do today. It was all a game, and they would have systematically annihilated everyone using weapons we cant even fathom.

/I say maybe because genociding people is actually extremely common in human history.. it was only in the last like .01% of human evolution that we've adapted a live and let live policy.

Hey alright... there's toys.

Link

/da fuq?

BronyMedic:

Hitler was only a year or two, arguably, away from a workable nuclear weapon when we started bombing the crap out of his production and research facilities in Holland and Greater Germany. Had he had a weapon like that, he would have launched a war of annihilation against the Japanese people, who he had little love for, as well.

citation needed.

germany's antisemitism and the emigration of many amazing german-jewish scientists in 30s is the main reason why their nuke programs were behind that of the US.

there is no evidence that i've read that the aircampaign set back their nuclear research at all.

indeed, aside from put extra strains on the luftwaffe for reich defense (and not allow those assets to deployed elsewhere) and provide misery on countless german civilians, its at this point debateable (i'm not saying i agree with this, but it is being argued) what good the air campaign had all in disrupting the war effort. According to Speer's figures after the war, war material continued to rise until mid 1944, despite the bombings.

Mentat: Good riddance to a truly evil man.

..and to Hitler too!

gunther_bumpass: Hey alright... there's toys.

Link

/da fuq?

kind of amazing stuff in there actually. who knew people took war action figures and toys to such .... qualitative extremes?

Alonjar: This is a good point. You need to keep in mind these were truly evil (maybe) people, they didnt think like we do today.

If you study the ideology and indoctrination of the German people from the rise of Adolf Hitler's National Socialist party in the early 1930s, all the way to their fall in 1945, you realize that it has less resemblance to an effective Government, and more resemblance to a cult or religion.

The entirety of the reasons why Anti-Sematism was so popular in Europe and the World at that time, and how religion interwove with pseudohistory and pseudosciences like the "Aryan Peoples" and Social Darwinism/Eugenics, to create the climates which fostered the holocaust and extermination of nearly 20,000,000 people, could take up entire volumes of study, and be a Doctorate-level dissertation. So please bear with my simplification here.

These were people who truely believed they were the Ubermensche, the chosen of Reich and God above to purge the earth of the inferior races of men, and ensure humanity's survival and prosperity into the next thousand years. For the first time in history, the wholesale slaughter of human beings had been industrialized and perfected in such a manner as to keep the average soldier from being involved in it - something that was a common denominator throughout history. If you could not prove you were of pure "Germanic" or "Aryan" descent, you were dead, it was just a question of how and when. At Wannsee, Eichman and his henchmen made that perfectly clear. Italy had signed on with Germany to ensure it's survival. By the time he was caught by Parisans and Killed, Mussolini had lost almost all his favor with Hitler. Not only had he allowed Italy to be invaded, allowing the Allies to gain a foothold in Fortress Europe, he had lost almost EVERY major battle they had been involved in in Africa, and had cost the Germans precious resources and troops trying to fight.

Had Italy not fallen to the Allies, it's quite likely that Mussolini would have been disposed of by the SS themselves, posing as "liberators" for the Italian people. They would have then done the same thing they did in Austria, Poland, Czechloslavakia, and Russia - murdered wholesale. The Catholics would have been next on the chopping block after the Jews and Non-White italians. Hitler had no love for Christianity, instead seeing it as a convenient tool for control which eventually would have been replaced by the "Positive Christianity" religious doctrine, which was a mixture of Aryan occultism, Christian beliefs, and the mentality of the Nazi Regeme.

Hayek's perspective on Hitler's racism is valuable: that a government-controlled economy cannot possibly help everybody equally, so hatred of out-groups is an effective method of keeping yourself popular with the in-group, because they're getting all of the spoils.

KiplingKat872: Because grinding people under your bootheel and threatening them with extermination always works out in the end.


You're not telling ME how to raise MY kids!

TV's Vinnie: Wayne 985: coco ebert: Kubis, Gabcik and Valcik hid for three weeks after the assassination before they were betrayed.

I wonder what the Commies did to that squealer after WWII?

/snitches get stitches

Probably came to an accommodation with him, like we did with ex-Nazis and sympathizers in our zone of control.

Lotta dirty deals got cut after the war.

traylor: This evil man was eventually replaced by other evil men... but his assassination directly resulted in the death of 15,000 innocent people...

Good job, hero.

FTA:
"Even though it cost the lives of my family, my brother, my mother, my father and hundreds, thousands of other people."

"But as I always say - that's nothing compared to the losses we would have suffered if Heydrich had been allowed to live."

You know, I think I am minded to take this guy's perspective on it, over yours.... thanks all the same.

/1 out of 10, nearly took you seriously.

shower_in_my_socks: KiplingKat872: I read a story of one guy in Poland who was working for the Nazis, but spying for the underground and helping local families. The whole time he knew if the Poles won, he would be killed as a Nazi sympathizer.


I know a Frenchman whose mother was an agent for the French Underground and had infiltrated the Nazi organization in her area. After the war she was thrown in jail as a collaborator, and would have been tried and executed, but the "spymaster" she worked for stepped forward and vouched for her being a infiltrator, not a collaborator.

If you were a spy and the guy you reported to was killed or didn't come forward and claim you, you were kind of farked.

On that note, "Mother Night" is an excellent movie, although I think it's fictional.

You wouldn't like Hitler when he's angry.....

Father_Jack: BronyMedic:

Hitler was only a year or two, arguably, away from a workable nuclear weapon when we started bombing the crap out of his production and research facilities in Holland and Greater Germany. Had he had a weapon like that, he would have launched a war of annihilation against the Japanese people, who he had little love for, as well.

citation needed.

germany's antisemitism and the emigration of many amazing german-jewish scientists in 30s is the main reason why their nuke programs were behind that of the US.

there is no evidence that i've read that the aircampaign set back their nuclear research at all.

indeed, aside from put extra strains on the luftwaffe for reich defense (and not allow those assets to deployed elsewhere) and provide misery on countless german civilians, its at this point debateable (i'm not saying i agree with this, but it is being argued) what good the air campaign had all in disrupting the war effort. According to Speer's figures after the war, war material continued to rise until mid 1944, despite the bombings.

Historians debate bomber effectiveness back and forth; the post-war "they were all heroes, don't dare question the results" gave way to "war is awful, bombing didn't solve anything"...which is equally weak, intellectually speaking.

My take: German war production DID rise, during the bombing, but partly because we got lucky...hard to believe, but they weren't actually on a total war footing until Speer got them there.

The number you want to look at is how much it would've risen WITHOUT the bombing campaign...and that's much harder to estimate. Just one example: Allied bombers flattened an 80,000 square foot factory before it produced a singe airplane. Sure, they dispersed production, but that's not as efficient.

There's also the factor of "it's the only thing we can hit them with, and they started it."

Certainly the Wehrmacht could've used all those flak guns and fighters on the Ostfront...

PunGent: TV's Vinnie: Wayne 985: coco ebert: Kubis, Gabcik and Valcik hid for three weeks after the assassination before they were betrayed.

I wonder what the Commies did to that squealer after WWII?

/snitches get stitches

Probably came to an accommodation with him, like we did with ex-Nazis and sympathizers in our zone of control.

Lotta dirty deals got cut after the war.

Did a little searching after I made that post. The punk got rewarded with half a million Reichsmarks, a new identity, plus a job in the Gestapo, and then married a German wife & stayed for the rest of the war in Germany.

A kinda sweet deal, UNTILLLLLLL................

As soon as the war was over (guess which side lost), he was arrested by the Allies, turned over to the Czech authorities, tried for treason, and hanged in 1947.

Gyrfalcon: KiplingKat872: BronyMedic: doglover: Actually, except for the Jews, they probably weren't that farked. Germany wanted to conquer, not enslave. They needed taxpayers, farmers, skilled labor, and fresh young boys who spoke German and could sling a gun around.

Uh, no. The evential goal of Hitler et all was that Earth would be populated by blue eyed, blonde, and lightly tanned people of the true Germanic Aryan descent.

Anyone not of this linage would have either been restricted to reproduce, killed off, or sterilized. Anyone was fair game.

And Japan at the time was racially xenophobic. I've always wondered how they thought they were eventually going to settle that?

They were going to divide the world just about down the middle. Read "The Man in the Tree" where the Axis won the war and they split the US at the Rocky Mountains for an example. I think the Japanese were going to get the Pacific and Siberia and Germany was going to get most of Africa.

Sounds like a good plan

bim1154: "SS Obergruppenfuehrer Reinhard Heydrich, the acting Reichsprotektor of Bohemia and Moravia"

Almost sounds like an introduction to some game show contestant.

/Heydrich was almost the definition of evil.


That's what Karl Rove insists the hookers shout at him when they crap on his head.

/Annex my Sudetenland, baby
//brrrrraaaaaaapppppp

"70 years ago today Czech partisans made Hitler very angry"

You know who ELSE they made very angry???

Oh wait...

never mind

gunther_bumpass: Hey alright... there's toys.

Link

/da fuq?

Heinrich Himmler survived the war, and got heavily into prog.





For 111, he's holding together quite well.

hasty ambush: KiplingKat872: Because grinding people under your bootheel and threatening them with extermination always works out in the end.

Well done gents, for having the steel ones to get rid of an evil human being. I am just sorry that the cost was so high.

But what did it get the Czech people? The international community sold out Czechoslovkia in 1938/39 by handing it over to Hitler for a promise of peace.Then after their "liberation" in 1945 they get sold out again by FDR/Truman and suffer for over four decades under the tyranny of Soviet Russia.

Poland and old Czechoslovakia offer good examples why no nation should rely on the international communtiy to protect its interests much less its sovereignty.

+1 dude. This is so true. Even a liberal hatebot could not find flaws in this set of statements.

Ken VeryBigLiar: JungleBoogie: What always intrigued me was that Hitler, with the theories of Germanic genetics and Aryan-ness allied with two distinctly non-Aryan races: the Italians who have a significant number of non-whites, and the Japanese, who are clearly completely non-white. Hitler wound up slaughtering millions of European whites in his quest for global domination.

He really didn't consider most of the countries they invaded as his brand of white. The Czechs and SE Europe were too close to the Slavs and gypsies, the Russians were mongrels crossed with Asians, and the French... hell, nobody likes the French. He disliked it that the British entered the war since some of them, the Germans, Norskies and Swedes were about the limit on what he considered "Aryan".

Hitler said multiple times he had great respect for England, and wanted to leave it alone.

Aikidogamer: Ken VeryBigLiar: JungleBoogie: What always intrigued me was that Hitler, with the theories of Germanic genetics and Aryan-ness allied with two distinctly non-Aryan races: the Italians who have a significant number of non-whites, and the Japanese, who are clearly completely non-white. Hitler wound up slaughtering millions of European whites in his quest for global domination.

He really didn't consider most of the countries they invaded as his brand of white. The Czechs and SE Europe were too close to the Slavs and gypsies, the Russians were mongrels crossed with Asians, and the French... hell, nobody likes the French. He disliked it that the British entered the war since some of them, the Germans, Norskies and Swedes were about the limit on what he considered "Aryan".

Hitler said multiple times he had great respect for England, and wanted to leave it alone.

...and he was allied with the Japanese. I'm pretty sure he had plans to take out the U.K. at some point, they just weren't first priority until they got in his way.

TV's Vinnie: PunGent: TV's Vinnie: Wayne 985: coco ebert: Kubis, Gabcik and Valcik hid for three weeks after the assassination before they were betrayed.

I wonder what the Commies did to that squealer after WWII?

/snitches get stitches

Probably came to an accommodation with him, like we did with ex-Nazis and sympathizers in our zone of control.

Lotta dirty deals got cut after the war.

Did a little searching after I made that post. The punk got rewarded with half a million Reichsmarks, a new identity, plus a job in the Gestapo, and then married a German wife & stayed for the rest of the war in Germany.

A kinda sweet deal, UNTILLLLLLL................

As soon as the war was over (guess which side lost), he was arrested by the Allies, turned over to the Czech authorities, tried for treason, and hanged in 1947.

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Good.

JungleBoogie: What always intrigued me was that Hitler, with the theories of Germanic genetics and Aryan-ness allied with two distinctly non-Aryan races: the Italians who have a significant number of non-whites, and the Japanese, who are clearly completely non-white. Hitler wound up slaughtering millions of European whites in his quest for global domination.

Could it be that the whole rally-around-being-an-Aryan was just a propaganda mechanism (to which the Germans were deeply susceptible) in order to unite the Germans? And the core reason behind Hitler's dreams was just a sociopathic narcissism, seeing himself as leader of the world?

According to Wikipedia, Hitler said near the end of the war: "Pride in one's own race - and that does not imply contempt for other races - is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them"

Novart: JungleBoogie: What always intrigued me was that Hitler, with the theories of Germanic genetics and Aryan-ness allied with two distinctly non-Aryan races: the Italians who have a significant number of non-whites, and the Japanese, who are clearly completely non-white. Hitler wound up slaughtering millions of European whites in his quest for global domination.

Could it be that the whole rally-around-being-an-Aryan was just a propaganda mechanism (to which the Germans were deeply susceptible) in order to unite the Germans? And the core reason behind Hitler's dreams was just a sociopathic narcissism, seeing himself as leader of the world?

According to Wikipedia, Hitler said near the end of the war: "Pride in one's own race - and that does not imply contempt for other races - is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them"

Interesting he said that after the Japanese did their best to obliterate the Chinese.

Mentat: Alonjar: BronyMedic: Hitler was only a year or two, arguably, away from a workable nuclear weapon when we started bombing the crap out of his production and research facilities in Holland and Greater Germany. Had he had a weapon like that, he would have launched a war of annihilation against the Japanese people, who he had little love for, as well.

This is a good point. You need to keep in mind these were truly evil (maybe) people, they didnt think like we do today. It was all a game, and they would have systematically annihilated everyone using weapons we cant even fathom.

In practical terms, Germany probably wouldn't have been able to launch a war against Japan or America. They didn't have the manpower and they sure didn't have the naval power to invade America. The novel Fatherland presents a more realistic scenario in which Germany starves Britain into submission, sues for peace with America by detonating a non-nuclear rocket over New York and then gets bogged down in a 20 year guerrilla campaign against the Russians.

Sure they didnt have the capability... at the time. They would have continued building arms and progressing their grand plans. Also, as for a russian geurrilla war... those only work when you're trying to subjugate people. If your plan is to simply genocide everyone, it becomes a lot harder for the resistance fighters to hide and employ such tactics.