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2012-05-28 01:35:13 AM
HOOKERS are selling sex for £60 at the top floor of a Travelodge - as innocent lonely guests sleep masturbate furiously unaware beneath them.
 
2012-05-28 01:51:52 AM

skinink: I'll read that Sun article over their hooker indignation and women being objectified, as soon as I catch up on their latest Page 3 Girls.


Maybe their indignation is more to do with the the hotel chain, which is aimed at the budget business traveler and charges not much more for the room per night. That and the fact that they wasted a good headline on a down market 'Ho-tel' group.
 
2012-05-28 01:56:46 AM

Krieghund: JungleBoogie: It occurs to me that with blackmarket sex trafficking, you do get a lot of victimization of powerless entities, children, kidnapees, desperately poor women. If it's legalized with licensing and regulation, those nastier parts of the business may well become marginalized and generally disappear.

That's the theory, and it's part of the reason I espouse legalized prostitution.

Unfortunately, there are countries with legal prostitution, and that hasn't turned out to be the case yet.


That's the problem, legalizing it only deals with the vanilla services and ends up making it worse for those girls who are trafficked or so desperate, that they end up being victimized in the darker end of the vice spectrum.
 
2012-05-28 03:47:33 AM
That's top shelf? I think I'll stick with my usual then.
 
2012-05-28 03:54:35 AM
/looks at pictures from article

Is that how escorts really look?

I could make a lot of money.

/I keed


Remember that rich duck swimming in piles of gold and money?

Like that rich.

/oh hell yes.
 
2012-05-28 04:16:29 AM

Grables'Daughter: /looks at pictures from article

Is that how escorts really look?

I could make a lot of money.

/I keed


Sweet Pea -

I'd spend time with you... I'd even likely spend a few dollars.

But the main reason I would be with you is I like your mind. I think you are sweet.

People can profess to be something they are not. Most likely they profess much.

You? I've always had the impression that you are 100% what you seem to be.

I'd kiss you... and I wouldn't charge you :) *That's* how much I like you sight unseen.

Thanks for just being you...
 
2012-05-28 04:30:14 AM

somemoron: Only because I haven't actually seen it in a while:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 638x480]


That really is a cute little wayward kitten that I would have to take home with me if found on the street. I come off all BS at times... but the little kittens own me.
 
2012-05-28 04:34:15 AM
FTFA: "HOOKERS are selling sex for £60 at the top floor of a Travelodge - as innocent guests sleep unaware beneath them."

I would write a strongly worded letter of complaint to the manager if I, as an innocent guest, awoke in my bed to find a hooker selling sex beneath me...very strongly worded INDEED...
 
2012-05-28 04:38:26 AM

ongbok: CSB.
When one of my friends was in college he and a group went to Atlanta for some conference. While he was there they stayed in a second rate hotel, like a holiday inn type, and one night they came back to the hotel piss drunk and got off the elevator on the wrong floor. He said they walked a few feet before they noticed that most of the room doors were open and there were women in the rooms laying in the beds naked. Then some guy walked up to them and started giving prices and asking them what they wanted. He said it took a minute for them to realize what was going on, then once it sunk in they all looked at each other and didn't even have to say a word, he said they all had that "Lets get the fark out of Dodge" look on there faces, and they bolted back to the elevator.



So is that when you found out they were gay?
 
2012-05-28 04:51:28 AM

the ham sap gwailo: That's the problem, legalizing it only deals with the vanilla services and ends up making it worse for those girls who are trafficked or so desperate, that they end up being victimized in the darker end of the vice spectrum.


No, it doesn't. Legalizing it drives a wedge between the consenting and non-consenting parts of the industry. It becomes much easier to find the victims of sex slavery because they're the ones that won't get a license. Johns can basically avoid places that don't have a license. On top of that, a lot of people involved in illegal industries are basically morally sound people. But they can't come forward to the police without incriminating themselves as being involved in it.
 
2012-05-28 04:53:38 AM

Krieghund: Unfortunately, there are countries with legal prostitution, and that hasn't turned out to be the case yet.


It doesn't really matter if it makes things better -- I mean, it would be nice if it did -- it only matters if legalization makes things worse. If legalization doesn't have a negative impact on human trafficking then "preventing human trafficking" is not a valid reason to make prostitution illegal.

I wouldn't really expect legalization to solve the issue anyway; the issue isn't that prostitution is illegal, the issue is that some people want slaves -- for whatever reason, sex or otherwise -- and we haven't yet found a way to protect people from slavery. Providing better access to commercial sex might reduce the demand for some types of slaves, but it's unlikely to solve the underlying problem.

/ I use human trafficking as an example, but you can make the same basic argument with any other prostitution-adjacent crime.
 
2012-05-28 04:59:38 AM

PvtHike: So, you can't offer money for sex, and you can't offer sex for money... so then... I think I see what they're trying to do there, but it makes my head hurt.


No. You can offer money for sex. The law is not about trading money for sex, it's soliciting - offering sex for money. The way that whores get around it is that the John has to ask, and that's basically been tested in court. There's also laws about running a brothel.

If two women are in the same house and providing sexual services, then it's considered to be a brothel, and keeping a brothel is against the law. If one is doing so, it isn't. This actually is considered to be a terrible law by prostitutes as it endangers their safety.
 
2012-05-28 05:08:21 AM
I was staying in a hotel in Kunming in China and standard practice, if there is a room with a Westerner in it, seems to be to ring up in the middle of the night to offer various "services".

My friend who was living out there told me to take the phone off the hook overnight because they always assume that a Western man will want a hooker at some point...
 
2012-05-28 05:08:54 AM

the ham sap gwailo: That's the problem, legalizing it only deals with the vanilla services and ends up making it worse for those girls who are trafficked or so desperate, that they end up being victimized in the darker end of the vice spectrum.


Are you making the argument that, if prostitution is less profitable for human traffickers, their victims may be forced into worse fates?

I'd agree that human trafficking is still a problem even if there was no demand for sex slaves. It might make things somewhat better by reducing the overall demand or profitability, but it won't solve the problem. I just don't understand why it follows that we should keep prostitution illegal.

Or are you trying to make some other point?
 
2012-05-28 05:19:46 AM

Pert: I was staying in a hotel in Kunming in China and standard practice, if there is a room with a Westerner in it, seems to be to ring up in the middle of the night to offer various "services".

My friend who was living out there told me to take the phone off the hook overnight because they always assume that a Western man will want a hooker at some point...


Sounds like you listen to fairy tales and wishes.

Hope that works out for you.
 
2012-05-28 05:23:50 AM

CasperImproved: Sounds like you listen to fairy tales and wishes.

Hope that works out for you.


Well, except for the fact that we did keep getting called in the middle of the night until we took the phone off the hook, you're bang on target.... The other Western males in our group also got called in the night. The Chinese guys? Apparently not.
 
2012-05-28 05:35:21 AM

CasperImproved: Pert: I was staying in a hotel in Kunming in China and standard practice, if there is a room with a Westerner in it, seems to be to ring up in the middle of the night to offer various "services".

My friend who was living out there told me to take the phone off the hook overnight because they always assume that a Western man will want a hooker at some point...

Sounds like you listen to fairy tales and wishes.

Hope that works out for you.


Not fairy tale at all. I do a lot of traveling to regional areas in China, Kunming included, on business and backpacking - if you're a backpacker no way you'll be bothered, but if you're on business or look like a well-heeled tourist, better take the phone of the hook if you don't want to be bothered. I was even approached by 3 girls in the street outside my hotel in Beijing one time back in the 90s. Thing was, my wife and 3 kids were with me at the time and when I pointed this out, the girls just suggested I send them upstairs to the room and come with them!

Mind you, China isn't alone in this, go to just about anywhere in Asia, except Japan and Korea in my experience, and almost the same kind of thing happens, often as soon as you get into the taxi from the airport.
 
2012-05-28 05:37:32 AM

Nrokreffefp: You'd have to get off the computer and start blowing fat dudes.


If you've got no pimp then you get to choose who you do it with.

Get a three or four decent middle-age guys with money as regular clients and you can retire tomorrow.
 
2012-05-28 05:48:21 AM

CasperImproved: Sounds like you listen to fairy tales and wishes.

Hope that works out for you.


"Prefer to listen, then speak... I learn more that way."

How's that working out for you?
 
2012-05-28 06:20:34 AM

profplump: the ham sap gwailo: That's the problem, legalizing it only deals with the vanilla services and ends up making it worse for those girls who are trafficked or so desperate, that they end up being victimized in the darker end of the vice spectrum.

Are you making the argument that, if prostitution is less profitable for human traffickers, their victims may be forced into worse fates?

I'd agree that human trafficking is still a problem even if there was no demand for sex slaves. It might make things somewhat better by reducing the overall demand or profitability, but it won't solve the problem. I just don't understand why it follows that we should keep prostitution illegal.

Or are you trying to make some other point?


I think we are pretty much saying the same thing, maybe I didn't express it well in the brevity of a comment. Legalising (or rather licensing) prostitution can deal with a lot of the associated problems but, by itself, does not stop trafficking, can and often also does create worse problems such as tighter control over the victims, and coercion into more depraved conditions.

I worked as a vice operations police commander for 3 years in what was, at the time, arguably one of the top ten worst flesh pots in the World where prostitution in itself is legal, but trafficking, coercion and living off earnings is not, so I've seen that even in a society where prostitution is legal, yet trafficking of females from around the World continued. So my point is it is such a complex problem that simply legalising/licensing at 'home' it is not the silver bullet that I see a lot of pro-legislation advocates trot out.

There is also demand in societies of all kinds, for a lot of stuff that will always be on or beyond the fringes and laws of those cultures, even for just simple tastes like a person of different race, and traffickers will be there to meet that demand. The solutions need to deal with socioeconomic and legal issues in the source countries, cross-border intelligence and enforcement, as well as legislation where the demand is.

It's a sad fact that a lot of men (in the majority it's men anyway) have desires that go beyond what a legalised (and licensed) sex industry can offer and visiting a prostitute is often (if not always) about more than just the sex act. Making prostitution legal (with or without licensing) and so reducing the 'thrill' of the act for the punter, can actually increase the supply of trafficked females (and boys) if a full package of solutions is not in place, which include workable laws to aid the enforcement agencies.

Hope that clarifies.
 
2012-05-28 06:35:41 AM

the ham sap gwailo: CasperImproved: Pert: I was staying in a hotel in Kunming in China and standard practice, if there is a room with a Westerner in it, seems to be to ring up in the middle of the night to offer various "services".

My friend who was living out there told me to take the phone off the hook overnight because they always assume that a Western man will want a hooker at some point...

Sounds like you listen to fairy tales and wishes.

Hope that works out for you.

Not fairy tale at all. I do a lot of traveling to regional areas in China, Kunming included, on business and backpacking - if you're a backpacker no way you'll be bothered, but if you're on business or look like a well-heeled tourist, better take the phone of the hook if you don't want to be bothered. I was even approached by 3 girls in the street outside my hotel in Beijing one time back in the 90s. Thing was, my wife and 3 kids were with me at the time and when I pointed this out, the girls just suggested I send them upstairs to the room and come with them!

Mind you, China isn't alone in this, go to just about anywhere in Asia, except Japan and Korea in my experience, and almost the same kind of thing happens, often as soon as you get into the taxi from the airport.


Sad thing is? I'm not really offended by the facts. I'm just sad that they exist for this instance. I am honestly sad that anywhere this occurs.

Thanks for sharing. I don't know that others will appreciate, but I do.
 
2012-05-28 06:57:46 AM

farkeruk: the ham sap gwailo: That's the problem, legalizing it only deals with the vanilla services and ends up making it worse for those girls who are trafficked or so desperate, that they end up being victimized in the darker end of the vice spectrum.

No, it doesn't. Legalizing it drives a wedge between the consenting and non-consenting parts of the industry. It becomes much easier to find the victims of sex slavery because they're the ones that won't get a license. Johns can basically avoid places that don't have a license. On top of that, a lot of people involved in illegal industries are basically morally sound people. But they can't come forward to the police without incriminating themselves as being involved in it.


You are partially correct in the aspect of defining the consenting and non-consenting, as you put it, and making it easier to come forward to authorities, and of course having an empathic and non-corrupt authority to deal with, which isn't always the case even in what is often considered the 'civilized' World, but I live in a society where prostitution is legal, and the controlling aspects are illegal. It still does not stop trafficking from other countries though.

It's a sad fact that the key to prostitution is hardly (if ever) about just the sex act and without means to address the causes of the demand and supply, traffickers will always try to meet the demand. I gave a fuller explanation to another comment a little above if you're interested.
 
2012-05-28 07:50:34 AM

iron de havilland: I don't visit them because they charge shiatloads for drink, and you're not allowed to touch the women.


Yeah, I've just re-read that sentence and realised that it makes me sound like a rapist.

I'm being distracted by a BBC interview with Bruce Dickinson.


THE Bruce Dickinson?
 
2012-05-28 07:55:58 AM

Bathia_Mapes: RoyBatty: skinink: Cool! Now you can look at the Page 3 girls in 360 degrees! (NSFW) Forget the hooker story!

That's very nice. Also, there seems to be a hidden easter egg. You can click on the waistband of their panties and drag them down about an inch. Very cute.

If you move the double arrow downward, she rotates and you can see her butt.


This doesn't seem to work for me?

/and I really want it to work
 
2012-05-28 09:09:39 AM

the ham sap gwailo: So my point is it is such a complex problem that simply legalising/licensing at 'home' it is not the silver bullet that I see a lot of pro-legislation advocates trot out.


Absolutely. I think we basically agree. Human trafficking is related to prostitution, but it's unlikely -- and given evidence from other countries, improbable -- that reducing the profitability of prostitution would end or even necessarily significantly reduce human trafficking. Certainly slaves will be used for illegal activities and making one of those activities legal in one particular jurisdiction will not end the slave trade.

It makes sense that if there is demand for slaves -- on the basis that the are slaves or whatever it is they are available to do is illegal in a particular jurisdiction -- then legalizing prostitution will not curb that demand. There are certainly people that want to play power games with some 15-year-old slave, or jurisdictions where a particular action is illegal, and those people will not be satisfied by legalizing prostitution, nor will demand for such slaves be reduced by legalizing prostitution.

And I 100% agree that we need better systems to protect people from slavery, be it sexual or otherwise. Slavery is unacceptable no matter the motivation, and tying it to or removing it from sex doesn't make it any better or worse.

My only difference in opinion with you is that there would be an increase in human trafficking, or that life would somehow be worse for victims of human trafficking, if prostitution were legal. And that could totally be a misunderstanding on my part. I believe -- or at least I'd like to -- that at least some of the people seeking commercial sex would prefer, or at least be indifferent to, legal activity as opposed to slave labor. Certainly some clients involved in prostitution are looking to abuse slaves, but I'd like to believe that isn't the only reason people seek prostitutes. Given my assumption that at least some clients are only interested in commercial sex, and not slavery, it seems that the overall demand for human trafficking would decrease if prostitution was legalized.

But I could be wrong or missing some important point, or making overly optimistic assumptions. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the supply-vs-demand dynamics of human trafficking. If so I would genuine like to be educated. I think this is a real problem, and I'd like to help solve it, so obviously I need to understand the status quo and existent attempted solutions.
 
2012-05-28 09:33:10 AM

W.C.fields forever: Posh Naranek: Dheiner: Grables'Daughter: W.C.fields forever: GD. I want to have knuckle children with you.

/maces W.C.fields forever

You should probably do that again.

Just in case.

/Shudder.

She already maced him forever. Oh wait..

Posh.Thank you. I laughed .I cried.

/you think she's really mad at me?


You're in a funny position, too interested to back away. Too threatened to approach safely. I'd say proposition her again in a hazmat suit just to be sure.
 
2012-05-28 10:14:29 AM

Grables'Daughter: iron de havilland: I don't visit them because they charge shiatloads for drink, and you're not allowed to touch the women.


Yeah, I've just re-read that sentence and realised that it makes me sound like a rapist.

I'm being distracted by a BBC interview with Bruce Dickinson.

THE Bruce Dickinson?


Yes.

/Available on BBC World News today, if you can get it.
//Also no doubt on BBC iPlayer, if you can find an open UK proxy.
 
2012-05-28 03:03:46 PM

Pert: CasperImproved: Sounds like you listen to fairy tales and wishes.

Hope that works out for you.

"Prefer to listen, then speak... I learn more that way."

How's that working out for you?


Usually pretty good. But on my off days, I can be wrong.
 
2012-05-28 03:21:10 PM

Grables'Daughter: Bathia_Mapes: RoyBatty: skinink: Cool! Now you can look at the Page 3 girls in 360 degrees! (NSFW) Forget the hooker story!

That's very nice. Also, there seems to be a hidden easter egg. You can click on the waistband of their panties and drag them down about an inch. Very cute.

If you move the double arrow downward, she rotates and you can see her butt.

This doesn't seem to work for me?

/and I really want it to work


I really do enjoy your funny.... thanks for sharing.
 
2012-05-28 06:39:14 PM

Grables'Daughter: iron de havilland: I don't visit them because they charge shiatloads for drink, and you're not allowed to touch the women.


Yeah, I've just re-read that sentence and realised that it makes me sound like a rapist.

I'm being distracted by a BBC interview with Bruce Dickinson.

THE Bruce Dickinson?


netdna.copyblogger.com
 
2012-05-28 07:18:41 PM

Grables'Daughter: Sometimes I take the low road.


That's exactly what the Farkers are hoping for.

/*rimshot*
 
2012-05-28 07:43:49 PM

Grables'Daughter: Roy_G_Biv: Grables'Daughter:

About an hour away in Gary, Indiana, gambling is illegal.

HOWEVER, they said, it's NOT illegal if we have gambling on a BOAT.

Soooooooooooooo they built this huge boat that is docked all the time. It's not really a boat, in that it doesn't really GO anywhere and probably never could if they needed it to. But TECHNICALLY it IS a boat, so gambling is legal there now.

That's why, when asked by a guy I know who is involved with the Chamber of Commerce what the local community could to do spur economic activity, what with some towns getting casinos, I didn't miss a beat and said "riverboat prostitution".

Because it's somehow classier in an old-timey kind of way if it takes place on a riverboat.

You have to admit, it would be classier to have them all in outfits like say, the one Jodie Foster wore in Maverick than the usual spandex and clear heels.

Yeah, but here's the thing: it doesn't look like a riverboat at all. You would never know that you were on a boat if you didn't know how the system worked. It looks like a building.


No, I know how the system works. I've been on the one in Joliet back when they took one-hour "cruises" which meant they pulled up the gangplanks, and pulled the boat 20 feet from the dock. I hear that now they don't even have to do that.

I was just being facetious, taking the whole double standard that says it's okay if it's done on a boat to its logical conclusion. Plus, I figure you might take that as a cue to post any pictures of yourself wearing an outfit like that, if you have any. (Checks profile) Something like in that last picture, although it was a photoshop
 
2012-05-29 03:00:20 PM
Sigh. I always come to these threads hoping to find a safe way to peruse the local red light society and always leave disappointed.
 
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