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2012-05-27 01:10:44 PM
Actually, the national party is giving us no support in Wisconsin. It pisses me off to no end.

/Thanks for nothing Debbie Wasserman-Shultz
 
2012-05-27 01:20:43 PM
Now why did I think this was going to be about rMoney?
 
2012-05-27 01:27:33 PM

Sabyen91: Thanks for nothing Debbie Wasserman-Shultz


She ought to lose her farking job over this is Walker stays alive.
 
2012-05-27 01:27:40 PM

Sabyen91: Actually, the national party is giving us no support in Wisconsin. It pisses me off to no end.

/Thanks for nothing Debbie Wasserman-Shultz


I can't understand why that is, it seems like this is a pretty important election and should be taken very seriously by the democrats.
 
2012-05-27 01:28:25 PM
Oh God DAMMIT - How the Fark does that guy keep his job

The Democratic party is pissing me off no end as well - WTF are they doing about this crap? Nothing. It's like they've lost all impetus and are incapable of action.

/Grrrrrrrrr
 
2012-05-27 01:32:54 PM

Krymson Tyde: I can't understand why that is, it seems like this is a pretty important election and should be taken very seriously by the democrats.


I can only assume the DNC has decided that the walker recall is seen as a union led movement, and in this election year they don't want to be too closely associated with unions. Pretty cowardly, actually.
 
2012-05-27 01:34:54 PM
Hmm, that was bad wording. Some NRA-loving buffoon is going to misinterpret that.
 
2012-05-27 02:06:05 PM

GAT_00: Hmm, that was bad wording. Some NRA-loving buffoon is going to misinterpret that.


Dem's traditionally don't believe in second amendment solutions....
 
2012-05-27 02:10:10 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh God DAMMIT - How the Fark does that guy keep his job

The Democratic party is pissing me off no end as well - WTF are they doing about this crap? Nothing. It's like they've lost all impetus and are incapable of action.

/Grrrrrrrrr


If Walker wins, that state will get exactly what it deserves.
That he's leading at all makes me sad for the people of Wisconsin.

Did the dem get caught with his hand in the cookie jar or his secretary or something?
How can he possibly be less appealing than Walker?
 
2012-05-27 02:14:08 PM

sno man: GAT_00: Hmm, that was bad wording. Some NRA-loving buffoon is going to misinterpret that.

Dem's traditionally don't believe in second amendment solutions....


I was accused of believing in them recently, hence the annoyance.
 
2012-05-27 02:19:36 PM

Dinki: Krymson Tyde: I can't understand why that is, it seems like this is a pretty important election and should be taken very seriously by the democrats.

I can only assume the DNC has decided that the walker recall is seen as a union led movement, and in this election year they don't want to be too closely associated with unions. Pretty cowardly, actually.


Are you farking kidding me? Unions are one of the most reliable bases the party has. Why are they ignoring this recall election? It's so infuriating. I'm this close to being done with the Democratic Party and voting third party from now on.
 
2012-05-27 02:26:25 PM

sno man: If Walker wins, that state will get exactly what

the majority of its residents deserves.

FTFY?
 
2012-05-27 02:27:58 PM
GOP has the crazies, the Dems have the incompetence.

If only there was some other party
 
2012-05-27 02:35:08 PM

coco ebert: Dinki: Krymson Tyde: I can't understand why that is, it seems like this is a pretty important election and should be taken very seriously by the democrats.

I can only assume the DNC has decided that the walker recall is seen as a union led movement, and in this election year they don't want to be too closely associated with unions. Pretty cowardly, actually.

Are you farking kidding me? Unions are one of the most reliable bases the party has. Why are they ignoring this recall election? It's so infuriating. I'm this close to being done with the Democratic Party and voting third party from now on.


There may be something to that since the GOP have been vocal and relatively successful with their "unions bad" message.
 
2012-05-27 02:36:32 PM

coco ebert: Are you farking kidding me? Unions are one of the most reliable bases the party has. Why are they ignoring this recall election? It's so infuriating. I'm this close to being done with the Democratic Party and voting third party from now on.


Unions are too reliable. The DNC knows they can safely ignore them and still count on their votes. Meanwhile, the Dems are running so fast to the right/center they are in danger of skidding right past and ending up in hooverville.
 
2012-05-27 02:42:19 PM
If they can break Wisconsin, they can break anyone. Why the Democrats don't understand this, I'll never know.
 
2012-05-27 02:43:12 PM

Sabyen91: Actually, the national party is giving us no support in Wisconsin. It pisses me off to no end.

/Thanks for nothing Debbie Wasserman-Shultz


You're not getting help from the 'liberal' media, either.
 
2012-05-27 02:43:56 PM

Dinki: coco ebert: Are you farking kidding me? Unions are one of the most reliable bases the party has. Why are they ignoring this recall election? It's so infuriating. I'm this close to being done with the Democratic Party and voting third party from now on.

Unions are too reliable. The DNC knows they can safely ignore them and still count on their votes. Meanwhile, the Dems are running so fast to the right/center they are in danger of skidding right past and ending up in hooverville.


Reliable not to vote for Republicans. But not reliable enough to necessarily always go out and vote. Just sayin'...
 
2012-05-27 02:44:32 PM

Mentat: If they can break Wisconsin, they can break anyone. Why the Democrats don't understand this, I'll never know.


So much this. This makes me so depressed for labor in this country. We're basically broken.
 
2012-05-27 02:45:26 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh God DAMMIT - How the Fark does that guy keep his job


Let's see - my taxes are lower, the budget is balanced, unemployment is down, a corrupt teacher's union that pretty much ran politics has been publicly humiliated and shown for what it is. Barret is an idiot and they should have run someone better. His promoting a stupid trolly that provides no economic value but will cost millions is a perfect example. Lena Taylor, one of his most vocal supporters is calling for boycotts of job providers if they don;t support her efforts.
 
2012-05-27 02:50:03 PM

exvaxman: Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh God DAMMIT - How the Fark does that guy keep his job

Let's see - my taxes are lower, the budget is balanced, unemployment is down, a corrupt teacher's union that pretty much ran politics has been publicly humiliated and shown for what it is. Barret is an idiot and they should have run someone better. His promoting a stupid trolly that provides no economic value but will cost millions is a perfect example. Lena Taylor, one of his most vocal supporters is calling for boycotts of job providers if they don;t support her efforts.


At the cost of ultra-partisanship and countless division.

Walker is a moron. He overreached. There were many ways he could have handled it, but he went this route and pissed off a good portion of the citizenry. Thats not a sign of a good leader.
 
2012-05-27 02:50:31 PM

coco ebert: Reliable not to vote for Republicans. But not reliable enough to necessarily always go out and vote. Just say


Oh I agree- the Dems are foolish to ignore the unions. It's almost like the DNC has decide to focus on only one thing- re-electing Obama. They appear to have written off everything else.
 
2012-05-27 02:52:13 PM

exvaxman: Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh God DAMMIT - How the Fark does that guy keep his job

Let's see - my taxes are lower, the budget is balanced, unemployment is down, a corrupt teacher's union that pretty much ran politics has been publicly humiliated and shown for what it is.


Not so much

Wrong again
 
2012-05-27 02:53:10 PM
I think the larger fear from both parties is that recall elections will become more popular against both parties if this succeeds, therefore the larger priority of politicians saving their own jobs outweighs party interests by far.

If this goes down in flames, so will incentives to do further recalls in any locality. If Walker loses, citizens will feel empowered to launch recalls against others of both parties and politicians will end up having to run for office 365 days a year every year.

More power to the people? Can't have that.
 
2012-05-27 02:54:12 PM

cman: Thats not a sign of a good leader.


Neither is a pointless recall that has cost the state millions. Like the bumper sticker says "Recall Santa - I didn;t get what I wanted". I know many people that have voted democratic in the past that are voting for Walker because they are so upset about there being a recall. My neighborhood is very democratic - yet I can count dozens of Walker signs and only one Barret.
 
2012-05-27 02:56:04 PM

sno man: Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh God DAMMIT - How the Fark does that guy keep his job

The Democratic party is pissing me off no end as well - WTF are they doing about this crap? Nothing. It's like they've lost all impetus and are incapable of action.

/Grrrrrrrrr

If Walker wins, that state will get exactly what it deserves.
That he's leading at all makes me sad for the people of Wisconsin.

Did the dem get caught with his hand in the cookie jar or his secretary or something?
How can he possibly be less appealing than Walker?


A. Barret has already lost the gubernatorial election twice (2002 and 2010). The City of Milwaukee also had one of the worst sets of political numbers in the state. Over his tenure in office, unemployment, taxes, and crime all went up.

B. The new jobs numbers pretty much obliterated one of his biggest talking points - that Walker wasn't doing enough to bring jobs to the state.

C. His campaign is reeking of desperation by moving from talking point to talking point very quickly because nothing he's saying is sticking. The current talking point is that Walker isn't being open enough about the John Doe investigation into use of state computers by his old office for campaigning purposes. Except Walker is the one who asked for the investigation in the first place. This is in addition to the fact that Barret's wife was herself fired for campaigning on government time and money (she was an MPS teacher). As well, Barret criticized him for having a legal defense fund for the investigation (which he cleared with the GAB beforehand) and for hiring out of state lawyers.

D. A new study done by the Beacon Hill Institute says Act 10 saved between 11 and 14 thousand government jobs from being cut and saved the state over a billion dollars. So hate the union breaking as much as you want, it did what he said it would do.
 
2012-05-27 02:56:33 PM

exvaxman: I didn;t get what I wanted". I know many people that have voted democratic in the past that are voting for Walker because they are so upset about there being a recall


Bullshiat.
 
2012-05-27 02:57:19 PM

exvaxman: cman: Thats not a sign of a good leader.

Neither is a pointless recall that has cost the state millions. Like the bumper sticker says "Recall Santa - I didn;t get what I wanted". I know many people that have voted democratic in the past that are voting for Walker because they are so upset about there being a recall. My neighborhood is very democratic - yet I can count dozens of Walker signs and only one Barret.


I also call bullshiat.
 
2012-05-27 02:57:47 PM

Sabyen91: exvaxman: I didn;t get what I wanted". I know many people that have voted democratic in the past that are voting for Walker because they are so upset about there being a recall

Bullshiat.


Ohh, I may be wrong. I bet those people voted for the fake Dems in the recent primary.

/I take it back.
 
2012-05-27 02:59:15 PM
Hard facts on Wisconsin jobs

WI: Addition of new private sector jobs: .3%
US: Addition of new private sector jobs: 2.7%

Rank among states: 47th lowest.

And it keeps getting uglier.
 
2012-05-27 03:00:27 PM

ArkAngel: B. The new jobs numbers pretty much obliterated one of his biggest talking points - that Walker wasn't doing enough to bring jobs to the state.


Where are you getting these job numbers? See above.
 
2012-05-27 03:01:13 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I also call bullshiat.


All you have to do is look at my neighborhood. The last general get together/cookout was full of people lambasting the recall - people who have always voted to the left. Talking about the upcoming wasted millions.
 
2012-05-27 03:01:16 PM
It could also be that Barret is a lousy candidate.

ArkAngel: A new study done by the Beacon Hill Institute


Um, I would take anything put out by Beacon hill that might be related to economics with a huge grain of salt.
 
2012-05-27 03:04:53 PM

ArkAngel: D. A new study done by the Beacon Hill Institute says Act 10 saved between 11 and 14 thousand government jobs from being cut and saved the state over a billion dollars.


You mean this Beacon Hill Institute?

Their numbers don't square at all. Wisconsin is 46th in the nation regarding the number of job losses in the public sector.
 
2012-05-27 03:06:00 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Hard facts on Wisconsin jobs


If you quoted from another web site that wasn't funded by biased groups, I might listen to you.
So far all of your information is from the one web site.
 
2012-05-27 03:08:44 PM

Dinki: coco ebert: Reliable not to vote for Republicans. But not reliable enough to necessarily always go out and vote. Just say

Oh I agree- the Dems are foolish to ignore the unions. It's almost like the DNC has decide to focus on only one thing- re-electing Obama. They appear to have written off everything else.


They also focused so heavily on the federal legislature that they forgot that the state legislatures elected in 2010 would be the ones doing redistricting.

Fools
 
2012-05-27 03:10:42 PM
Link

JSonline report on the jobs issue showing both sides of the number.
A newspaper that rarely supports republicans that came down for Walker because "there was no case for a recall".

A review of Barret from the badger blogger:
During the recall election, Mayor Barrett has tried to paint Gov. Walker as unethical because an employee inside of then County Executive Walker's office used a government computer network to send political emails.

However, when Kris Barrett used her email account at MPS for political action purposes, Barrett accused opponents of attacking his wife. "Of course they're going to drag my wife into this."

And while Tom Barrett touts himself as a champion of public school teachers and the public education, he and his wife choose to send his children to private schools. Like Bill Clinton and Barak Obama-quick to accept the teacher's union money and reach into taxpayers' wallets to fund public education-when it comes to their own children, Tom Barrett and his public school wife decided to opt-out. This is the definition of an elitist.
 
2012-05-27 03:12:42 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Hard facts on Wisconsin jobs

WI: Addition of new private sector jobs: .3%
US: Addition of new private sector jobs: 2.7%

Rank among states: 47th lowest.

And it keeps getting uglier.


Walker also kicked the can down the road on the budget. He restructured debt payments of $558 million to "balance the budget". Only idiots think that borrowing that kind of money equals balancing the budget. I guess Walker couldn't find anymore working class people to screw to get that extra money.
 
2012-05-27 03:13:23 PM

exvaxman: Salt Lick Steady: Hard facts on Wisconsin jobs

If you quoted from another web site that wasn't funded by biased groups, I might listen to you.
So far all of your information is from the one web site.


All of the jobs information came from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, quarterly census, and Dept. of Revenue.

Want some Politifact? Want me to google it for you?
 
2012-05-27 03:16:11 PM

exvaxman: A newspaper that rarely supports republicans that came down for Walker because "there was no case for a recall".


Hahaha! Yeah, you are credible.
 
2012-05-27 03:16:21 PM

Salt Lick Steady: ArkAngel: D. A new study done by the Beacon Hill Institute says Act 10 saved between 11 and 14 thousand government jobs from being cut and saved the state over a billion dollars.

You mean this Beacon Hill Institute?

Their numbers don't square at all. Wisconsin is 46th in the nation regarding the number of job losses in the public sector.


What they're saying is that without the savings realized by Act 10, there would have been even more. Now, granted, the whole idea of "jobs saved" numbers is far more difficult to calculate than new hires, if Obama can say the stimulus spending he approved saved 2 million jobs, than the BHI can say this.
 
2012-05-27 03:16:43 PM

exvaxman: Salt Lick Steady: Hard facts on Wisconsin jobs

If you quoted from another web site that wasn't funded by biased groups, I might listen to you.
So far all of your information is from the one web site.


And more.
 
2012-05-27 03:22:52 PM

ArkAngel: What they're saying is that without the savings realized by Act 10, there would have been even more.


But they don't demonstrate how Act 10 actually had any impact on those numbers, and they're basically saying that the Act had so little effect as to only keep Wisconsin at 47th in the nation regarding government sector jobs lost -- even though the actual impact of it was to increase the loss in public sector workers.

This in a climate where many other states were blatantly laying off public sector workers.

ArkAngel: Obama can say the stimulus spending he approved saved 2 million jobs, than the BHI can say this.


That is a non sequitur.
 
2012-05-27 03:24:28 PM

exvaxman: Let's see - my taxes are lower, the budget is balanced, unemployment is down, a corrupt teacher's union that pretty much ran politics has been publicly humiliated and shown for what it is. Barret is an idiot and they should have run someone better. His promoting a stupid trolly that provides no economic value but will cost millions is a perfect example. Lena Taylor, one of his most vocal supporters is calling for boycotts of job providers if they don;t support her efforts.


And your entire state is about to be sold off to the Koch Brothers. But hey, at least you showed those darn unions.
 
2012-05-27 03:25:21 PM

exvaxman: Don't Troll Me Bro!: I also call bullshiat.

All you have to do is look at my neighborhood. The last general get together/cookout was full of people lambasting the recall - people who have always voted to the left. Talking about the upcoming wasted millions.


I really have trouble believing that people that always voted left are now suddenly supporting this guy, simply because they don't agree with people exercising the rights spelled out in our state constitution. He's torn this state apart, and I don't know anyone that voted against him that now sympathizes. I do, however, know many people that voted for him that are disgusted with how he's been acting.

If you don't mind me asking, what part of Milwaukee do you live in, or what suburb if that's the case? I would guess it's a rich section with lots of private schools and a lack of minorities? I guess I could see that happening in Thiensville, Whitefish Bay, or Brookfield.
 
2012-05-27 03:25:40 PM
Link
JS endorsement of Walker. Also includes some economic data for the area.

Sabyen91: He restructured debt payments of $558 million to "balance the budget"

But he didn't steal from the road fund like the past gov (D) - in fact he paid back the stolen funds.

The tax levy has grown 25 percent under Barrett, from 2005 to 2012, according to official city figures on tax changes under Barrett. (Politifact)

For the city, fees are a stand-in for property taxes, we noted in a September 2010 item. We reported that revenue from major fees had more than doubled under Barrett. A new fee -- the stormwater management charge -- went into effect under Barrett. (Politifact)

http://tomthetaxer.com/Tom_Barrett.pdf

What I love is all of the out of state people that are yelling & screaming over this election. The fact that I had to call the police on an ohio union member who was being paid per signature in my neighborhood who threatened me if I didn't sign the recall petition says it all. Do I disagree with unions? No. Do I like the fact that in Wisconsin you now can refuse to join a union? Yes.
 
2012-05-27 03:27:08 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I guess I could see that happening in Thiensville, Whitefish Bay, or Brookfield.


Nope. Glendale. Nicolet HS dist.
 
2012-05-27 03:28:49 PM

exvaxman: The fact that I had to call the police on an ohio union member who was being paid per signature in my neighborhood who threatened me if I didn't sign the recall petition says it all.


You are so full of sh*t, taking a laxative would create a biohazard.
 
2012-05-27 03:29:27 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I do, however, know many people that voted for him that are disgusted with how he's been acting.


This i will not disagree with. He acts like a major putz and according to secondhand information, his kids are even worse.
 
2012-05-27 03:29:39 PM

exvaxman: Link

JSonline report on the jobs issue showing both sides of the number.
A newspaper that rarely supports republicans that came down for Walker because "there was no case for a recall".

A review of Barret from the badger blogger:
During the recall election, Mayor Barrett has tried to paint Gov. Walker as unethical because an employee inside of then County Executive Walker's office used a government computer network to send political emails.

However, when Kris Barrett used her email account at MPS for political action purposes, Barrett accused opponents of attacking his wife. "Of course they're going to drag my wife into this."

And while Tom Barrett touts himself as a champion of public school teachers and the public education, he and his wife choose to send his children to private schools. Like Bill Clinton and Barak Obama-quick to accept the teacher's union money and reach into taxpayers' wallets to fund public education-when it comes to their own children, Tom Barrett and his public school wife decided to opt-out. This is the definition of an elitist.


As much as I disapprove of some of the stuff Clinton and Obama have done, history has shown the difficulty that the children of the President have in public schools. Amy Carter was never left alone by students, faculty, and reporters. She wasn't even allowed to play outside at recess because of safety concerns. The mandatory Secret Service protection didn't help either. At private schools (especially in DC), the environment can be more controlled and people are less likely to jizz their pants over a famous child.

Not excusing Barret for this, just Obama and Clinton (and Carter and Nixon before them)
 
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