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2012-05-27 01:28:56 AM  
openbah.com


If only the civilian population knew how much they were hated....

Can't count how many times I've heard the phrase "Happy Memorial Day"
 
2012-05-27 01:30:34 AM  
I don't begrudge anyone the partying or barbeques on Memorial Day weekend; I do usually ask people to take a moment out of their day and remember why we have a Memorial Day, but hey- it's a 3-day weekend in the summer. You can't honor the dead by being sad ALL the time. Have some fun, live the life they died to protect. Just remember, that's all.

I give out poppies at the local Safeway to support my VFW chapter and later in the day I go to the local cemetery and put flags on the vet's headstones and observe a quiet moment. Then I go eat the living shiat out of some burgers and dogs.
 
2012-05-27 01:30:52 AM  
We've become such a militarized state that it would do us good to move away from that soldier rah-rah attitude, and part of that means foregoing some of the traditions that we have that served us well in the past but only serve to push us further down the road towards fascism.

But we can't. So fire up the grill and pass a beer.
 
2012-05-27 01:32:57 AM  
It bugs me that it's just an excuse to get drunk.
 
2012-05-27 01:33:02 AM  
here's the best way to honor our veteran's: QUIT SENDING THEM INTO STUPID WARS NO ONE CAN WIN

also, fund the VA.
 
2012-05-27 01:35:28 AM  
My 90 year old grandpa is not expected to live more than a few more days. I just this second realized that he (a WWII vet who was awarded the Purple Heart) might die on Memorial Day
 
2012-05-27 01:36:15 AM  
I get no farking three day weekend out of this! My boss does. farking asshole gets major holidays off, but all the pawns below gotta work. Get some respect and work a damn holiday, or at least let us bid for them!
 
2012-05-27 01:37:19 AM  

Mr Talbot: My 90 year old grandpa is not expected to live more than a few more days. I just this second realized that he (a WWII vet who was awarded the Purple Heart) might die on Memorial Day


My sincere condolences. No day is a good one to die, but I hope for what it's worth that his is as peaceful as possible.
 
2012-05-27 01:37:25 AM  

Mr Talbot: My 90 year old grandpa is not expected to live more than a few more days. I just this second realized that he (a WWII vet who was awarded the Purple Heart) might die on Memorial Day


Please let him know that we are fearful of his service.
 
2012-05-27 01:38:47 AM  
As a veteran I can't emphasize this enough, "the holiday has gathered the nation together to honor all men and women who've lost their lives in conflict."

Those that served and lived and/or still live get their due on Veteran's Day.
 
2012-05-27 01:38:59 AM  

cheap_thoughts: Mr Talbot: My 90 year old grandpa is not expected to live more than a few more days. I just this second realized that he (a WWII vet who was awarded the Purple Heart) might die on Memorial Day

Please let him know that we are fearful of his service.


fark! GREATFUL.

/although fearful makes it funny.
 
2012-05-27 01:39:01 AM  

Mr Talbot: My 90 year old grandpa is not expected to live more than a few more days. I just this second realized that he (a WWII vet who was awarded the Purple Heart) might die on Memorial Day


Best wishes to your family.
 
2012-05-27 01:41:54 AM  

Cyclometh: Mr Talbot: My 90 year old grandpa is not expected to live more than a few more days. I just this second realized that he (a WWII vet who was awarded the Purple Heart) might die on Memorial Day

My sincere condolences. No day is a good one to die, but I hope for what it's worth that his is as peaceful as possible.


He's pretty much out on a morphine drip (colon cancer). Been in hospice care for a few months now and he's had alzheimer's for almost a decade now. It's time. Just kinda waiting til it happens.
 
2012-05-27 01:42:51 AM  
Just another day set aside for forced, obligatory patriotism. It's the USA. Move along, now.
 
2012-05-27 01:44:38 AM  

One Bad Apple: If only the civilian population knew how much they were hated....


Why is the civilian population hated? They aren't the ones pushing for wars; politicans, and more importantly, corporations are pushing for war. Is there some sort of resentment because some people can't do anything with their lives other then be a grunt in an army that is perpetually at war? Civilians don't really have control over that either.

Why resent a bunch of people who have nothing to do with the situation at hand? Or is the naivety that inspired some people to join the military also driving them to think that the voting public can actually remove the politicians that keep pushing for this crap? Well, when put that way, I guess civilians could vote the jackasses out of office, but the businesses and money that have a vested interest in keeping American fighting someone will just throw more money at whoever replaces them. Regardless, being angry at civilians is misplaced.
 
2012-05-27 01:45:28 AM  

Mr Talbot: Cyclometh: Mr Talbot: My 90 year old grandpa is not expected to live more than a few more days. I just this second realized that he (a WWII vet who was awarded the Purple Heart) might die on Memorial Day

My sincere condolences. No day is a good one to die, but I hope for what it's worth that his is as peaceful as possible.

He's pretty much out on a morphine drip (colon cancer). Been in hospice care for a few months now and he's had alzheimer's for almost a decade now. It's time. Just kinda waiting til it happens.


I feel for you. My own father died of cancer and at the end it was a similar process. I'm very sorry to hear of your pain and loss- you have my sympathy.
 
2012-05-27 01:45:34 AM  
In before farkers start shiatting on the military and those who serve.
 
2012-05-27 01:46:45 AM  

9beers: In before farkers start shiatting on the military and those who serve.


3 posts above yours, old sport.

Herb Utsmelz: Just another day set aside for forced, obligatory patriotism. It's the USA. Move along, now.

 
2012-05-27 01:46:46 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: Just another day set aside for forced, obligatory patriotism. It's the USA. Move along, now.


You're forced to do something besides swill beer, watch NASCAR and biatch about the people who volunteer to die to protect your way of life?

Huh.
 
2012-05-27 01:48:03 AM  
I hung my American flag out side my window.
Which looks really odd when you live in San Francisco.
I don't care what my neighbors think.
 
2012-05-27 01:51:47 AM  

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: One Bad Apple: If only the civilian population knew how much they were hated....

Why is the civilian population hated? They aren't the ones pushing for wars; politicans, and more importantly, corporations are pushing for war. Is there some sort of resentment because some people can't do anything with their lives other then be a grunt in an army that is perpetually at war? Civilians don't really have control over that either.

Why resent a bunch of people who have nothing to do with the situation at hand? Or is the naivety that inspired some people to join the military also driving them to think that the voting public can actually remove the politicians that keep pushing for this crap? Well, when put that way, I guess civilians could vote the jackasses out of office, but the businesses and money that have a vested interest in keeping American fighting someone will just throw more money at whoever replaces them. Regardless, being angry at civilians is misplaced.


For what it's worth, resentment of civilians is a popular pasttime in the military. However, it's not really a serious thing; when pressed on the matter, the vast majority of serving soldiers will tell you they don't hate civilians. They're envious, and quite often in the modern military they're irritated at how uninformed/ignorant they are- but that doesn't translate to hatred. Smokin' and jokin' with your buds you'll say some pretty nasty stuff about the pogues or the civvies, but it's just blowing off steam.

As to what's said in the photo above; it's expressing a sentiment of irritation with America's deliberate ignorance of the real costs of war, but you can't lay that at the feet of the individual citizens solely; it's a combination of a lot of factors, not the least of which is our government and media making it very hard to really know those costs.
 
2012-05-27 01:54:06 AM  

One Bad Apple: [openbah.com image 446x293]


If only the civilian population knew how much they were hated....


The marines and everyone else made their choice to serve the interests of politicians and corporate executives and people so wealthy that the only thing that amuses them is playing a giant game of risk with the lives of actual people. If they were duped by a pack of lies that's something they will need to come to grips with on their own. But there is no excuse for not knowing. General Butler made it very clear what the Marines and the rest are used for way back in the 1930s.

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.


All they need to do is have the balls to tell everyone from Obama on down they aren't going to fight these wars any more. That's all.

These wars have nothing to with our freedom or anything else. These are wars for the ruling class. Remember what Kissinger said about those in military. It's that ilk that should be hated. Not people here in the USA that refuse to grovel with thanks for people who go out and make the rich richer while killing a lot of ordinary people in a far away land.
 
2012-05-27 01:55:59 AM  

Cyclometh: watch NASCAR


OK, that's below the belt.
 
2012-05-27 01:57:49 AM  

Mr Talbot: My 90 year old grandpa is not expected to live more than a few more days. I just this second realized that he (a WWII vet who was awarded the Purple Heart) might die on Memorial Day


If possible, I hope that these words will bring you some comfort.

As a Veteran myself, I regard your Grandfather and those of his generation as genuine American Heroes. People some times forget that during WWII, the entire nation was supporting the war effort. There was rationing of many staples we take for granted, car manufacturing was halted so that Jeeps could be mass produced on their assembly lines, etc.

I salute your Grandfather and wish you and your family the best.
 
2012-05-27 01:58:34 AM  
sorry I can't bring the dead back or make the pain go away

1.bp.blogspot.com

all I can offer is a gesture

it seems so weak and small....
 
2012-05-27 02:02:56 AM  

One Bad Apple: If only the civilian population knew how much they were hated....


Oh we know. It is clear in the attitudes and actions of some enlisted people, especially the E2s and E3s. The stony silence when asked simple questions, even "Anyone want another beer while I'm up?". The use of military training in fights with civilians. You're hated for not signing up, no matter the reason.
 
Skr
2012-05-27 02:03:38 AM  
I visit and remember some fallen relatives I know, then I get back to the life they fought to protect. Which occasionally includes barbeques and beach openings.

Just because a few of them didn't die during the war doesn't mean they weren't lost to it all the same.

Three day weekend is good to get to family that is more than a day trip away.

/Hate the game not the player.
 
2012-05-27 02:09:44 AM  

no clever name here just move along: I hung my American flag out side my window.
Which looks really odd when you live in San Francisco.
I don't care what my neighbors think.


Oh you have an American flag? You must be such a patriot.
 
2012-05-27 02:13:18 AM  

Karma Chameleon: no clever name here just move along: I hung my American flag out side my window.
Which looks really odd when you live in San Francisco.
I don't care what my neighbors think.

Oh you have an American flag? You must be such a patriot.


Hey!

That flag is a symbol of the greatness of our country! That's why we have the Chinese make millions of 'em!
 
2012-05-27 02:15:53 AM  

Omahawg: here's the best way to honor our veteran's: QUIT SENDING THEM INTO STUPID WARS NO ONE CAN WIN

also, fund the VA.


Came here to say exactly this.
 
2012-05-27 02:16:30 AM  
My husband gets to take Monday off this year. He didn't last year and he was absolutely miserable to be around; he clearly resented it. He got home from work today and started crying. When I asked him why, he said "because all my friends are dead." I didn't really know what to do for him :( He's been out of the service for over a decade, but he still gets really torn up around this time of year.

/ex-Ranger
//him, not me
 
2012-05-27 02:17:14 AM  

One Bad Apple: [openbah.com image 446x293]


If only the civilian population knew how much they were hated....

Can't count how many times I've heard the phrase "Happy Memorial Day"


Sorry that you got bought into a lie about why we fight wars. The last necessary war was WW2. After that we've been fighting increasingly outdated cash grabs. Our tactics for protecting our country need to change and the traditional wars we try and fight are not working.


no clever name here just move along: I hung my American flag out side my window.
Which looks really odd when you live in San Francisco.
I don't care what my neighbors think.


Flying an American Flag in an American city. You are one edgy risk taking motherfarker.
 
2012-05-27 02:18:22 AM  
It's horrible that people have died in war (especially those drafted). But it's also horrible that people die in any job, yet we seem to give more value to those we've decided are "dying for their country". Of course, not a single war since WWII has had anything to do with the freedom of Americans, but we continue to keep saying it, as if that would make it true.
 
2012-05-27 02:18:44 AM  

razyjean: My husband gets to take Monday off this year. He didn't last year and he was absolutely miserable to be around; he clearly resented it. He got home from work today and started crying. When I asked him why, he said "because all my friends are dead." I didn't really know what to do for him :( He's been out of the service for over a decade, but he still gets really torn up around this time of year.

/ex-Ranger
//him, not me


A mental health professional could help.
 
2012-05-27 02:20:28 AM  

Cyclometh: Herb Utsmelz: Just another day set aside for forced, obligatory patriotism. It's the USA. Move along, now.

You're forced to do something besides swill beer, watch NASCAR and biatch about the people who volunteer to die to protect your way of life?

Huh.


The last soldiers who died defending this country did so in the War of 1812. Propping up the empire does not equal defending the country, and there's nothing patriotic or noble about it. On memorial day I honor those who fled to Canada to avoid going to Vietnam.
 
2012-05-27 02:20:41 AM  
Honestly I don't give a flying fark why we have this day all I know is I'm constantly overworked and a 3 day weekend is glorious.
 
2012-05-27 02:23:24 AM  
The ungrateful American is strong in this thread.
 
2012-05-27 02:24:03 AM  
Remember all the US soldiers who died for the US up to the 1960's. And all the US soldiers that have died for Israel since then.
 
2012-05-27 02:24:57 AM  
Soon after the bloody conflict ceased, General John A. Logan-commander in chief of the Grand Army of the Republic, an organization of Union veterans-called for a holiday to be observed every year on May 30.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

/Learn something new every day
 
2012-05-27 02:25:15 AM  

mikebdoss: It's horrible that people have died in war (especially those drafted). But it's also horrible that people die in any job, yet we seem to give more value to those we've decided are "dying for their country". Of course, not a single war since WWII has had anything to do with the freedom of Americans, but we continue to keep saying it, as if that would make it true.


No one said Iraq vets were dying for American freedom. They said they were dying for Iraq's freedom. And look, they are free right now. It was a quick war, and a brutal insurgency, and it still has hiccups. However, Iraqi is a full fledged democracy now.

Try to think beyond the boundaries of your backyard my friend. Americans soldiers just don't die for American freedom. We are global citizens too. =)
 
2012-05-27 02:26:56 AM  

DrPainMD: The last soldiers who died defending this country did so in the War of 1812


An argument can be made for the Pacific theater in WW2 but for nothing since.
 
2012-05-27 02:27:24 AM  
This is the kind of thing white trash goes on and on about. The rest of the world sees a memorial to the dead, but the trash sees an opportunity to try to be more patronizing than anybody else. It's like hearing a kazoo at a funeral.
 
2012-05-27 02:27:44 AM  

RadioAaron: The ungrateful American is strong in this thread.


The over-patrioticified American is tired of the bullshiat military cockslurping that's demanded by RealAmericanstm.
 
2012-05-27 02:28:43 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The over-patrioticified American is tired of the bullshiat military cockslurping that's demanded by RealAmericanstm.


U MAD?
 
2012-05-27 02:28:56 AM  

RediixOne: No one said Iraq vets were dying for American freedom. They said they were dying for Iraq's freedom. And look, they are free right now.


For some interpretations of "free".
 
2012-05-27 02:29:19 AM  
Why should us civilians get a 3 day weekend? Do the Soldiers that are fighting for our freedom and protecting this country get a 3 day weekend to remember their fallen comrades, and have parties? No they don't. They can't call in sick because they don't want to go to work. It's just another way for the government to make more money.

Memorial Day is a day to is about Honoring those who paid the price for our freedom. Because the American Flag does not fly because the wind moves past it, it flies because the last breath of each military member who has died protecting it.

Our Soldiers are doing their job. A job many of us have chose not to do. If you can't stand behind them and support them, feel free to stand in front of them!!

Thank You to the men and women who gave up their tomorrow, so that I may have mine.

Thank You to all the Veterans, those serving, or will serve. Thank You and your families for your courage, commitment, and sacrifices that you have made no matter how big or small.
 
2012-05-27 02:29:42 AM  

RadioAaron: AverageAmericanGuy: The over-patrioticified American is tired of the bullshiat military cockslurping that's demanded by RealAmericanstm.

U MAD?


Yeah. My country's been hijacked by morons.
 
2012-05-27 02:31:10 AM  

RadioAaron: The ungrateful American is strong in this thread.


Try "realistic American". You want to honor people who sacrifice their lives for others, then change Memorial Day to Firefighter Day. They really do save lives.

Soldiers are just pawns in the greater scheme of American imperialism. Shooting women and children in Afghanistan and torturing prisoners is nothing to honor, although it will get you elected to Congress. Amirite, Allen West?
 
2012-05-27 02:31:20 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Yeah. My country's been hijacked by morons.


And let me guess... those "morons" are serving their country in uniform?
 
2012-05-27 02:31:21 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: A mental health professional could help.


He psychoanalyzed the VA's therapist and she kicked him out >.> That was when he was only 6 months out, though. Now, he's just too stubborn to get help. He's fine most of the time, and he's gotten SO MUCH BETTER over the years. When I met him, he slept with his hand under his pillow, where he used to keep his gun, and he had dreams that he was captured and being interrogated. I also finally convinced him to get on anti-anxiety meds for his PTSD. It's just a couple times a year he gets upset, so I think he's doing pretty well.
 
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