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2012-05-27 03:26:15 AM
Ruled my childhood. Now rules my son's.

"What do you mean they blew up the Death Star? fark! Oh, fark! fark! fark!... Who's "they"?... What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
 
2012-05-27 03:42:53 AM
Of all the changes done to the trilogy, changing Yoda from a puppet to a CGI character has been the only one that really stood out as actually tangibly improving the movie. The rest is either random eye candy or seriously detracting from the originals.
 
2012-05-27 03:51:29 AM
You know what I would really like to see? George hand over the reigns to the Star Wars Universe for just one movie where they made a point of being serious and making a good movie. There has to be a good story out there right? PLEASE?
 
2012-05-27 04:00:23 AM
"Hey! Hey guys! Remember when we we're relevant?" - Time
 
2012-05-27 04:10:48 AM

Representative of the unwashed masses: You know what I would really like to see? George hand over the reigns to the Star Wars Universe for just one movie where they made a point of being serious and making a good movie. There has to be a good story out there right? PLEASE?


There are plenty of good stories, just no good directors.

I have to admit after reading numerous pages on that site it did make the movies more interesting to watch again, for what it's worth. Plus, I now know more about the Star Wars universe than ALL y'all asses.
 
2012-05-27 04:15:25 AM
Saw it the weekend it was released. You never forget your first jump to hyperspace.
 
2012-05-27 04:20:29 AM
I saw a double feature of Star Wars and Smokey and the Bandit at the drive in. You kids wouldn't know anything about that.
 
2012-05-27 04:32:59 AM
Never knew Time liked Star Wars, Must not have been in a doctor's office when that issue came out or in the year or so afterwards.
 
2012-05-27 04:50:00 AM

aearra: Never knew Time liked Star Wars, Must not have been in a doctor's office when that issue came out or in the year or so afterwards.


Sorry I didn't catch that issue, Time... I must not have gotten my teeth cleaned that year.
 
2012-05-27 05:27:10 AM
Does anyone else remember interviews with Lucas back around the time Empirecame out, in which he stated there were supposed to be nine films (the original three, three prequels, three sequels) or am I just imagining things? Nobody I know seems to remember this but nothing is obscure on FARK.
 
2012-05-27 05:43:26 AM

Hsaiotei: Does anyone else remember interviews with Lucas back around the time Empirecame out, in which he stated there were supposed to be nine films (the original three, three prequels, three sequels) or am I just imagining things? Nobody I know seems to remember this but nothing is obscure on FARK.


6, 7, 8, and 9 all got crammed into Jedi. That's why it feels rushed compared to the other two and there's a big time jump after Empire.
 
2012-05-27 05:48:36 AM
Really? Do you know why? I am supposing he didn't intend to take 20+ years to get around to the prequels, so why would he abandon the original idea in the time between Empire and Jedi?
 
2012-05-27 05:57:46 AM

Hsaiotei: Really? Do you know why? I am supposing he didn't intend to take 20+ years to get around to the prequels, so why would he abandon the original idea in the time between Empire and Jedi?


IIRC it was because they were afraid declining ticket sales would make it hard to pursue another four movies, and the story would have been really stretched out. Basically, VI would have been about rescuing Han Solo, and then VII, VIII and IX were all about Luke trying to save Vader and destroying the Empire. If they'd done that as four films, it would have really dragged. Also it would take a long time and the actors probably didn't want to be tied up for another 12 years or so to finish out the story.

The prequel thing is a whole different kettle of fish. Fox didn't want to make the prequels because the story wasn't as appealing, and Lucas claims his ideas couldn't be executed with the technology of the day (which I think is a bullshiat excuse, but I don't trust a word Lucas said after Star Wars turned a profit). Then they got wrapped up in making the Indiana Jones movies, etc. The ball didn't really get rolling on the prequels until the mid-90s, probably because they wanted it to coincide with the anniversary re-release.
 
2012-05-27 06:12:49 AM
Everything I need to know about Star Wars I learned from Red Letter Media
 
2012-05-27 06:20:51 AM
My brother and i had my mother take us to see star wars at least 3 or 4 times at the theatre. I was 6, and had all the guys, and ships but we actually played with them til they were worn, and broken back then. Suck it collectors...
 
2012-05-27 06:27:17 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Hsaiotei: Really? Do you know why? I am supposing he didn't intend to take 20+ years to get around to the prequels, so why would he abandon the original idea in the time between Empire and Jedi?

IIRC it was because they were afraid declining ticket sales would make it hard to pursue another four movies, and the story would have been really stretched out. Basically, VI would have been about rescuing Han Solo, and then VII, VIII and IX were all about Luke trying to save Vader and destroying the Empire. If they'd done that as four films, it would have really dragged. Also it would take a long time and the actors probably didn't want to be tied up for another 12 years or so to finish out the story.

The prequel thing is a whole different kettle of fish. Fox didn't want to make the prequels because the story wasn't as appealing, and Lucas claims his ideas couldn't be executed with the technology of the day (which I think is a bullshiat excuse, but I don't trust a word Lucas said after Star Wars turned a profit). Then they got wrapped up in making the Indiana Jones movies, etc. The ball didn't really get rolling on the prequels until the mid-90s, probably because they wanted it to coincide with the anniversary re-release.


After seeing the prequels this sounds plausible. Still wish he'd just give up control of the franchise and let others take creative control.
 
2012-05-27 06:56:56 AM
I will forever be grateful if I can go one day without seeing "Star Wars characters dressed as [other pop culture]" fan art. I like Star Wars, but jesus, it's 3 movies that came out 30 years ago (and 3 prequels that under-scored problems with the original films).
 
2012-05-27 07:13:05 AM
I remember seeing Jedi, being so young my older brother had to read Jabba's lines to me. I had so many start wars toys, it was the greatest.

I also remember, 20 years later, seeing episode 1 with my brother. Both of us going "what the fark is this?" during the pod race scene. We waited 20+ years for this?
 
2012-05-27 07:18:52 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: After seeing the prequels this sounds plausible. Still wish he'd just give up control of the franchise and let others take creative control.


No kidding. If any of my work ever becomes hugely successful, I pray that someone close to me will have the courage to say "Dude, you're farking this up. It's time to let go." should I start acting like Lucas post-1980.
 
2012-05-27 07:29:12 AM

fisker: Representative of the unwashed masses: You know what I would really like to see? George hand over the reigns to the Star Wars Universe for just one movie where they made a point of being serious and making a good movie. There has to be a good story out there right? PLEASE?

There are plenty of good stories, just no good directors.

I have to admit after reading numerous pages on that site it did make the movies more interesting to watch again, for what it's worth. Plus, I now know more about the Star Wars universe than ALL y'all asses.


I passed the Empire's citizenship test on StarWarsMOO.

Geek merit badge #87
 
2012-05-27 07:30:11 AM

Hsaiotei: Really? Do you know why? I am supposing he didn't intend to take 20+ years to get around to the prequels, so why would he abandon the original idea in the time between Empire and Jedi?


He was planning to use the events that took place in Jedi and shoot them as three different films.
 
2012-05-27 07:42:00 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: IIRC it was because they were afraid declining ticket sales would make it hard to pursue another four movies, and the story would have been really stretched out.


According to Gary Kurtz (and a bunch of others that I can't remember now), the original trilogy had basically cost him his health and marriage, and he was apparently losing interest in telling the Star Wars story by that point and just wanted it to be done so he could move on to his other interests. Basically, the prospect of spending another nearly 20 years doing just Star Wars terrified him. The fear of declining sales wasn't so much a factor (from what I understand) as it was exhaustion and disinterest.

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: and then VII, VIII and IX were all about Luke trying to save Vader and destroying the Empire.


That would have been the A plot, but there was going to be a B plot that they set up in Empire, wherein Luke would be searching for...his sister (dun, dun, DUUUUUUN!). When Lucas decided 7-9 was a no-go, he just said, "fark it, Leia's his sister." Hence why it comes out of nowhere and doesn't fit well with prior events. *ahem*hothkiss*ahem*
 
2012-05-27 07:43:39 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: After seeing the prequels this sounds plausible. Still wish he'd just give up control of the franchise and let others take creative control.

No kidding. If any of my work ever becomes hugely successful, I pray that someone close to me will have the courage to say "Dude, you're farking this up. It's time to let go." should I start acting like Lucas post-1980.


Yea, put the trilogy down man you've had enough. The thing we love about Lucas is the thing we hate, he made an interesting universe but didn't know how to use it /film it.
 
2012-05-27 07:44:34 AM
The significance of Time's big endorsement of Star Wars shouldn't be underestimated. I remember the Boston Globe giving it a one or two star rating on release and sticking with that until the box office was so huge that it threatened their movie critic's credibility. A positive review in a big magazine was probably crucial to getting the ball rolling. Most film critics back then were from the Pauline Kael film snob school of reviewers that preferred art films over anything mainstream, but the Globe had to go back after SW blew out box office records and bump it up to 4 stars.
 
2012-05-27 07:52:58 AM
According to Lucas, the prequels were made for children. OK, if that was the case, then why did he spend so much time on the convoluted politics of the empire?
 
2012-05-27 07:53:39 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Everything I need to know about Star Wars I learned from Red Letter Media


You people are like housewives and Oprah.
 
2012-05-27 07:55:45 AM

Hsaiotei: Does anyone else remember interviews with Lucas back around the time Empirecame out, in which he stated there were supposed to be nine films (the original three, three prequels, three sequels) or am I just imagining things? Nobody I know seems to remember this but nothing is obscure on FARK.


Funny thing. I was rearranging books on a new bookshelf and glanced at the foreword to Splinter of the Mind's Eye, back before Empire came out. Lucas mentions the nine-nine-nine-movie-plan there.

"As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at least nine films to tell-three trilogies."
 
2012-05-27 08:15:15 AM

Representative of the unwashed masses: You know what I would really like to see? George hand over the reigns to the Star Wars Universe for just one movie where they made a point of being serious and making a good movie. There has to be a good story out there right? PLEASE?


etaew.files.wordpress.com

Yeah, you just have to make the in universe story a couple of thousand years before the movies.

/I was more shocked with the plot twist in this then I was in the movies
//Bioware knows how to tell a story
///HK-47 is the best character in the entire universe
 
2012-05-27 08:22:12 AM
I remember having to travel almost an hour and a half with my geek friends on graduation night to watch Star Wars. That is one of my fondest memories. We went to Philadelphia, because the closest theater that the movie was showing. We all were blown away and cheering at the end. Then I called my parents and informed them that I would not be making my 11:00 P.M. curfew, since I was still in Philly. For the first time in my life, I was told, "No problem." We then crossed the river into Jersey because one of us was 18 and bought some beer in a bar. I got home around 3 in the morning, and my mother was still awake and just said, "You're an adult now; you can stay out as long as you want, but I will always keep the door open for you." I joined the Army four months later, and she never had to wait for me again because I literally went home only about four times over the next twenty years (once to bury my father). I'm not proud of that, and wish I could have a do-over, but about 4 years after I retired from the military, my mother passed. The last time I saw her alive was while I was home for my father's funeral.

/CSB?
//Not really, but I did get to really connect with my brother and sisters after burying my mother.
 
2012-05-27 08:25:08 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Hsaiotei: Does anyone else remember interviews with Lucas back around the time Empirecame out, in which he stated there were supposed to be nine films (the original three, three prequels, three sequels) or am I just imagining things? Nobody I know seems to remember this but nothing is obscure on FARK.

6, 7, 8, and 9 all got crammed into Jedi. That's why it feels rushed compared to the other two and there's a big time jump after Empire.


I think the fantastic dialog and bullet-proof plot lines, as well as the well-developed and thoughtful characters, make it clear that Lucas wrote the prequels long, long ago.
 
2012-05-27 08:26:48 AM
When I was a kid, we didnt have the interent and DVDs to watch Star Wars when ever we wanted. We had to walk to the movie theatre. Five miles, up hill, in the snow. Both ways. And we liked it!
 
2012-05-27 08:33:21 AM
Greatest childhood memory I have is with Star Wars. I was in elementary school, and there was an announcement over the loudspeaker that I was to come to the main office with my books. When I get there, my Dad is waiting and tells me that he is taking me out of school early today. Doesn't say for what reason.

Soon we are in the car, driving to the Commack Multiplex where he tells me that we are going to see Star Wars. Just you and me, and we are both playing hooky from school to do it. I've seen Star Wars hundreds of times since then, both nothing has ever compared to the first time.

I'll never forget that day. Talked about it at my father's post-funeral lunch two months ago. RIP, Dad.
 
2012-05-27 08:46:04 AM
Geez, this thread got dusty all of a sudden.
 
2012-05-27 09:00:05 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Still wish he'd just give up control of the franchise and let others take creative control.


His daughter Katie writes for The Clone Wars. I could see her taking over.
 
2012-05-27 09:33:10 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Of all the changes done to the trilogy, changing Yoda from a puppet to a CGI character has been the only one that really stood out as actually tangibly improving the movie. The rest is either random eye candy or seriously detracting from the originals.


I watched the remake of A New Hope the other day and was stricken by how badly it's held up. Before you had a movie with dated effects that was at least internally consistent, but now all of the effects are dated in different ways. The old effects and the CGI are just glaring when put together.

Clash City Farker: When I was a kid, we didnt have the interent and DVDs to watch Star Wars when ever we wanted. We had to walk to the movie theatre. Five miles, up hill, in the snow. Both ways. And we liked it!


Actually, some of us had laser disc. BOO YA
 
2012-05-27 09:39:55 AM
I saw it in the theater. That was in the day if a movie was good you could sit and watch it 2-3 times without leaving the joint. It was a great movie, a little bit cheesy, and had a good plot, and a bit spaghetti western.

Smokey and the Bandit still holds up well.
 
2012-05-27 09:48:56 AM

Mentat: I watched the remake of A New Hope the other day and was stricken by how badly it's held up. Before you had a movie with dated effects that was at least internally consistent, but now all of the effects are dated in different ways. The old effects and the CGI are just glaring when put together.


So true. I think the 70s-era practical effects actually looked better than the CGI they were later replaced with. I mean, at DVD resolution you can sorta tell the aliens are rubber, so I imagine on Blu-Ray it must look ghastly, but 1990s CGI is nothing to shout about on any budget (except Jurassic Park).
 
2012-05-27 10:05:02 AM

Representative of the unwashed masses: You know what I would really like to see? George hand over the reigns to the Star Wars Universe for just one movie where they made a point of being serious and making a good movie. There has to be a good story out there right? PLEASE?


The best story is a smuggling road movie called Kessel Run with Han, Landau, and Chewie. They'll have some close calls, hijinks, and many sexy ladies.
 
2012-05-27 10:17:36 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Of all the changes done to the trilogy, changing Yoda from a puppet to a CGI character has been the only one that really stood out as actually tangibly improving the movie. The rest is either random eye candy or seriously detracting from the originals.


I like the CGI version better in the very last movie - but Lucas ruined it by introducing Yoda too soon and showing him too much in the the so called prequels. In the original movie - he was a mystical figure to be respected. Now he is just some short dude who couldn't figure out his enemy was 3 feet from him the entire time and got everyone killed.
 
2012-05-27 10:22:22 AM

9beers: I saw a double feature of Star Wars and Smokey and the Bandit at the drive in. You kids wouldn't know anything about that.


That sounds awesome. Smokey and the Bandit is in my all time top 5.
 
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2012-05-27 10:25:41 AM
The signature films of that super-serious movie decade had been anguished, acidulous exposés of an America torn apart by corruption in the police (Serpico), municipal politics (Chinatown) and the White House itself (All the President's Men). Hollywood moguls were proud to be making grownup films for adult audiences

When will they ever get back to that?
 
2012-05-27 11:03:57 AM
Saw the first one in a drive in with my family. All good times.
 
2012-05-27 11:19:44 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Of all the changes done to the trilogy, changing Yoda from a puppet to a CGI character has been the only one that really stood out as actually tangibly improving the movie. The rest is either random eye candy or seriously detracting from the originals.


I disagree. CGI Yoda looked horribly fake. Puppets are really the way to go if you want fantastical creatures that even look remotely lifelike.
 
2012-05-27 11:32:32 AM
Time is boasting they published an article about Star Wars on May 30, 1977.

The movie was released May 25, 1977.
 
2012-05-27 11:49:14 AM

foo monkey: Time is boasting they published an article about Star Wars on May 30, 1977.

The movie was released May 25, 1977.


Not everywhere. The single screen first-run theater in the rural town I was raised in didn't receive it for exhibition until after the school year was already two months old.
 
2012-05-27 12:01:54 PM

foo monkey: Time is boasting they published an article about Star Wars on May 30, 1977.

The movie was released May 25, 1977.


What the current issue of TIME may look like.

img.timeinc.net

/don't even ask about comics...
//and is anyone else getting repeated "login failed" when posting?
///third
 
2012-05-27 12:10:59 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: and is anyone else getting repeated "login failed" when posting?


You're not alone.
 
2012-05-27 12:32:14 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: //and is anyone else getting repeated "login failed" when posting?


How can you post if you cannot log in?
 
2012-05-27 12:38:12 PM

rebelyell2006: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: //and is anyone else getting repeated "login failed" when posting?

How can you post if you cannot log in?


add comment with password, get preview with password accepted, add comment, get preview with "login failed", add password, comment added.

over and over.
 
2012-05-27 01:13:26 PM
I've never seen Star Wars.
 
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