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(ESPN)   The Seattle Sounders are outdrawing 12 English Premier League teams. But they'll totally give that soccer thing up once the Mariners or Seahawks get good again, right? RIGHT?   (espn.go.com) divider line 142
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2012-05-26 11:31:34 PM

BigJake: real talk anyone that believes a Zduriencik-general-managed Mariners team is going to the playoffs at any point during his tenure is full-on pants-on-head retarded


No, pants-on-head retarded not knowing the difference between ownership and management. Pants-on-head retarded is saying that the team has been constantly "rebuilding" over the last decade, when in fact they spent most of that time doing precisely the opposite of rebuilding, with results like trading Adam Jones and half the farm system for Erik Bedard; throwing $40 million apiece at Jarrod Washburn, Miguel Batista and Carlos Silva on different occasions; or trading Shin-Soo Choo and Asdrubal Cabrera in separate trades for the Indians' DH platoon; or trading Rafael Soriano for Horacio Ramirez; or bringing in Jose Vidro for $10 million a year to be the DH; or passing up on premier draft talent to take Jeff Clement, thought to be nearly MLB ready; in each case, because they had a GM who was positive they were ready to win now and just needed that one splashy move to put them over the top.
 
2012-05-27 12:06:41 AM

Super Chronic: No, pants-on-head retarded not knowing the difference between ownership and management.


Again, ownership IS management. They make the hiring and firing decisions of the guys underneath them just like the GM does with the players.

Whether or not they've actually been rebuilding is immaterial - that's what it was SOLD as, as disappointing year after disappointing year piled up. We're rebuilding and we're almost there! SODO MOJO!!!

I stand by my statement about the Mariners never going to the playoffs as long as Zduriencik is the manager. Are you seriously suggesting otherwise?
 
2012-05-27 01:02:40 AM
Well I had a farking grand time tonight cheering for DC United. RFK is a dump, but it's kind of a loveable dump. Like your first shiatty college apartment. Still want a soccer-specific stadium, though.

/number one in the east biatchezzzzzzz
 
2012-05-27 01:10:35 AM

ElwoodCuse: If you like soccer, why watch a watered-down, minor league version of it?


Let em play, it's not like Seattle has a football team anyway....
 
2012-05-27 01:17:16 AM
ElwoodCuse If you like soccer, why watch a watered-down, minor league version of it?


Do you go into college football and basketball threads asking why they watch minor league versions of the sport? I'm guessing you don't.
 
2012-05-27 01:36:59 AM

carnifex2005: I guess he doesn't feel that Portland is big enough for both a hockey and basketball team playing at the same time.


I don't think it is, then again I do think you guys could support at most two teams, I mean Buffalo and Charlotte can do it. A team would make the most sense in Seattle but that ain't happening without a new arena.
 
2012-05-27 01:46:55 AM

ElwoodCuse: If you like soccer, why watch a watered-down, minor league version of it?


Subby. First off, I messed up the headline a bit. It's not 12 teams. It's 13. (I did the math wrong when it said the Sounders would be 8th in attendance if they were an EPL team. They came in between Sunderland and Tottenham.) Second, I will watch literally any two club teams you put in front of me (though it helps if they're at least top-flight in their given country). I have watched tape-delayed Austrian matches online (hi, SV Mattersburg). I have gone on YouTube and watched games from THAILAND (hi, Buriram United). It's not just about the level of play to me. It has to do with the flavor of play and the personality of the local crowds as well. The right kind of crowd can make almost any soccer match worth watching.

Indonesian clubs may not be able to hang with Manchester United, but goddamn can their crowds raise a ruckus.
 
2012-05-27 01:53:01 AM

Donnchadha: Errk: Is there ever an end to soccer season?

Yes, but the MLS is out of sync with the rest of the world (where have I heard that before?)

The MLS schedule is over the summer from March to October, whereas European leagues generally run over the winter from August/September to May/June. There are also other international competitions that take place during the summer European off season.


And the reason is? Take your time to see if you can figure it out.

Soccer will do great in places that football doesn't dominate. Until it gets a national TV deal it means nothing, women's basketball sells out in some places, doesn't make it a good sport.
 
2012-05-27 02:32:18 AM
I think NBC Sports is doing a good job with the MLS. Way better than ESPN did when they had their one game a week. Now MLS isn't mentioned on SportsCenter at all unless something crazy happens, which isn't a good thing.

The Crew have a deal with Fox Sports Ohio and they do a decent job. There's no pregame or post game coverage to speak of, but at least they get preference over the Reds in Columbus when their schedules overlap.
 
2012-05-27 02:37:33 AM

Norfolking Chance: Norwich have sold out every EPL game this season and if they stadium was bigger could of got 30k regulaly even against the badly supported teams like Bolton or Blackburn. Give it a couple more years in the Premier League and we can slowly expand Carrow Road.


Great team, great support and you can count on continued warmth, friendship and best wishes from Celtic. Hopefully we will see more friendlies arranged in the future.
 
2012-05-27 03:45:08 AM

steamingpile: Donnchadha: Errk: Is there ever an end to soccer season?

Yes, but the MLS is out of sync with the rest of the world (where have I heard that before?)

The MLS schedule is over the summer from March to October, whereas European leagues generally run over the winter from August/September to May/June. There are also other international competitions that take place during the summer European off season.

And the reason is? Take your time to see if you can figure it out.

Soccer will do great in places that football doesn't dominate. Until it gets a national TV deal it means nothing, women's basketball sells out in some places, doesn't make it a good sport.


I know what you're getting at, and that is an issue, but it's not actually the biggest one.

The real problem is that North American winters are brutal compared to European ones. Take Stockholm, for example. It's so far north that if it were in North America it could be on the coast of the Hudson Bay. At least four MLS cities, Chicago, Toronto, Montreal, and Columbus, are all significantly colder during the winter. This past winter I went to a Hamburger SV game in January and it was about 40F. In January. In Northern Germany. And that temperature is a pretty common occurrence.

Soccer just isn't a sport that works well when it's 20F and snowy.
 
2012-05-27 03:46:35 AM
The problem with MLS isn't just the abysmal quality of play, it's the whole setup of the league. Switch to a single table,add promotion and relegation, lose the stupid playoffs (add a domestic cup if you must) and play the season at the same time as everyone else then maybe we can talk. And lose the idiotic franchise model. Otherwise MLS will always be the red headed stepchild of world football, playing in a corner by themselves like an autistic child.
 
2012-05-27 03:52:15 AM

CmndrFish: he real problem is that North American winters are brutal compared to European ones. Take Stockholm, for example. It's so far north that if it were in North America it could be on the coast of the Hudson Bay. At least four MLS cities, Chicago, Toronto, Montreal, and Columbus, are all significantly colder during the winter. This past winter I went to a Hamburger SV game in January and it was about 40F. In January. In Northern Germany. And that temperature is a pretty common occurrence.


Even the Russian league is moving it's schedule to align with everyone else. I'm pretty sure if you can play in farking Moscow in the winter you could play in Toronto or Chicago.
 
2012-05-27 04:09:06 AM

drewogatory: CmndrFish: he real problem is that North American winters are brutal compared to European ones. Take Stockholm, for example. It's so far north that if it were in North America it could be on the coast of the Hudson Bay. At least four MLS cities, Chicago, Toronto, Montreal, and Columbus, are all significantly colder during the winter. This past winter I went to a Hamburger SV game in January and it was about 40F. In January. In Northern Germany. And that temperature is a pretty common occurrence.

Even the Russian league is moving it's schedule to align with everyone else. I'm pretty sure if you can play in farking Moscow in the winter you could play in Toronto or Chicago.


The Russian league also only averages 13,000 fans per game. There's a reason why MLS will never got to a winter calendar.
 
2012-05-27 04:11:07 AM

drewogatory: The problem with MLS isn't just the abysmal quality of play, it's the whole setup of the league. Switch to a single table,add promotion and relegation, lose the stupid playoffs (add a domestic cup if you must) and play the season at the same time as everyone else then maybe we can talk. And lose the idiotic franchise model. Otherwise MLS will always be the red headed stepchild of world football, playing in a corner by themselves like an autistic child.


Europe will go to a super league format with playoffs before the US does pro/rel. Pro/rel makes absolutely no sense in the US or Canada.
 
2012-05-27 04:12:05 AM

drewogatory: The problem with MLS isn't just the abysmal quality of play, it's the whole setup of the league. Switch to a single table,add promotion and relegation, lose the stupid playoffs (add a domestic cup if you must) and play the season at the same time as everyone else then maybe we can talk. And lose the idiotic franchise model. Otherwise MLS will always be the red headed stepchild of world football, playing in a corner by themselves like an autistic child.


Why does it matter what time of year Americans play the sport? Seriously, who gives a shiat you damn soccer nazi.
 
2012-05-27 04:16:48 AM

drewogatory: The problem with MLS isn't just the abysmal quality of play, it's the whole setup of the league. Switch to a single table,add promotion and relegation, lose the stupid playoffs (add a domestic cup if you must) and play the season at the same time as everyone else then maybe we can talk. And lose the idiotic franchise model. Otherwise MLS will always be the red headed stepchild of world football, playing in a corner by themselves like an autistic child.


No, that'd be the North Korean league, which naturally does not play by world transfer rules and has its clubs excluded from continental competition as a result.

MLS isn't ready for promotion/relegation yet. Even if the MLS clubs are capable of relegating and maintaining a sustainable existence, the clubs below MLS aren't ready for promotion. Have you looked at the chaotic swirling maelstrom underneath MLS? They've pretty much promoted all the teams that were capable of being promoted without a fuss. There's nothing left down there but the likes of the Richmond Kickers and Rochester Rhinos and Carolina Railhawks.

MLS first needs to get its 20th team, however long that takes. Then it needs to build support to the point where all 20 clubs are healthy. While they're doing that, they need to let the lower tiers rest and restock. Wait until the lower-tiered teams get to the point where they're capable of being promoted without being rendered terribly out of place. Then you implement promotion standards- stadium requirements and such- which is something a lot of other countries do to make sure they're not damaging the brand.

Then, and only then, will MLS be ready for promotion/relegation. You can't just fling Toronto FC down to the second tier, promote the Puerto Rico Islanders (current leaders in the second tier), and expect things to just go off without a hitch.
 
2012-05-27 05:54:30 AM

Gordon Bennett: Norfolking Chance: Norwich have sold out every EPL game this season and if they stadium was bigger could of got 30k regulaly even against the badly supported teams like Bolton or Blackburn. Give it a couple more years in the Premier League and we can slowly expand Carrow Road.

Great team, great support and you can count on continued warmth, friendship and best wishes from Celtic. Hopefully we will see more friendlies arranged in the future.


I work near Carrow Road and the rail station and we had drunk Celtic fans walk past at 9:30 in the morning. No real trouble either (though i did see one fan on the ground screaming at the copper on his back when i left work).
 
2012-05-27 07:21:55 AM

Trocadero: And the Galaxy lost by one goal twice this week...

I will say, yes, fark MLS for having games right in the middle of international dates. Usually, we could get away w/ it, but w/o Omar Gonzales, the Galaxy are farking AWFUL. This might be the worst title defense in North American sports history.


I have been a soccer fan and Galaxy fan a long time. I have never seen a team collapse after a championship season like that.
 
2012-05-27 02:34:23 PM

SilentStrider: IlGreven: mitchcumstein1: It's still the minor leagues. Sorry, until they can get good European and South American players, in their primes, to come play here, it will continue to be that.

Yes, because North American players will never, ever be good enough to compete on the world stage...

/Tim Howard and Clint Dempsey would like a word with you.

And Landon Donovan.


I was referring just to guys who were on EPL teams, although Donovan was on loan to Everton for a few months.
 
2012-05-27 02:42:45 PM
Seattle is proof that, when it's done right, the beautiful game can succeed stateside. I loved walking past pubs in Seattle and seeing as much Sounder advertising as Seahawks, even in October.

Home Depot Center is a perfect petri dish for both sides of the spectrum. On one side you have the Galaxy, who are fairly well supported, are well advertised (FSW, at least), and have the success to back it up. On the other, you have Chivas U.S.A., who seem wholly committed to being a developmental squad. If any Rojiblanco signage is in So. Cal, it's for Guadalajara. No genuine effort is made to retain their quality players (Sacha Kljestan, Bornstein, Panchito) and despite talk about securing legitimate overseas talent, no offer ever materializes.
 
2012-05-27 04:18:21 PM

capngroovy: Seattle is proof that, when it's done right, the beautiful game can succeed stateside. I loved walking past pubs in Seattle and seeing as much Sounder advertising as Seahawks, even in October.

Home Depot Center is a perfect petri dish for both sides of the spectrum. On one side you have the Galaxy, who are fairly well supported, are well advertised (FSW, at least), and have the success to back it up. On the other, you have Chivas U.S.A., who seem wholly committed to being a developmental squad. If any Rojiblanco signage is in So. Cal, it's for Guadalajara. No genuine effort is made to retain their quality players (Sacha Kljestan, Bornstein, Panchito) and despite talk about securing legitimate overseas talent, no offer ever materializes.


I genuinely believe that the Cheebus business model is a drag on the league.

Reading this thread, I really don't understand these Soccer haters that refuse to watch MLS because it is an "Inferior Product". Argentine and Brazilian players are bought and shipped to Europe by the truckload, and believe me, the Brazilian league is still fun to watch. Boca/River is still one of the best tickets on the planet. And that goes for the North American leagues, particularly MLS and the Mexican league. A lot of great players have left MLS to succeed in other leagues (Dempsey, Howard, Donovan, Gomez, Friedel, Movsisiyan, Parkhurst, Holden, etc.). Heck, a lot of good players are coming out of the J-League these days. And if Manchester City is an indication of one thing, it shows that paradigms are meant to be shifted, and broken.

So go Sounders. MLS has continued to improve as a product. And yes, yesterday I saw that dull England vs. Norway match, and to be honest I switched halfway through to Galaxy vs. Dynamo because it was a more exciting game.
 
2012-05-27 05:25:00 PM

mitchcumstein1: It's still the minor leagues. Sorry, until they can get good European and South American players, in their primes, to come play here, it will continue to be that.

I love going to Sporting KC games, it's a gorgeous stadium, the games are fun, I even know a guy who plays for them, but I am still much more interested in what goes on at the Emirates than at Live Strong Sporting Park.


I really don't get this attitude. Sure, the MLS can't compete with leagues in England, Germany, Spain and Italy yet. But I'd say the quality is fairly similar if not better, to France, Portugal, Scotland, and many other countries with long soccer traditions, and the potential fan base is much larger and richer. It's a very American idea that every American sports league has to be the best in the world. It takes time and support to build quality. You can't just expect to ship in a few European / South American players and have them play at a Premiership level. You can't buy good quality soccer, you have to build it.
 
2012-05-27 05:57:00 PM

omgwtfetc: mitchcumstein1: It's still the minor leagues. Sorry, until they can get good European and South American players, in their primes, to come play here, it will continue to be that.

I love going to Sporting KC games, it's a gorgeous stadium, the games are fun, I even know a guy who plays for them, but I am still much more interested in what goes on at the Emirates than at Live Strong Sporting Park.

I really don't get this attitude. Sure, the MLS can't compete with leagues in England, Germany, Spain and Italy yet. But I'd say the quality is fairly similar if not better, to France, Portugal, Scotland, and many other countries with long soccer traditions, and the potential fan base is much larger and richer. It's a very American idea that every American sports league has to be the best in the world. It takes time and support to build quality. You can't just expect to ship in a few European / South American players and have them play at a Premiership level. You can't buy good quality soccer, you have to build it.


I'd say France and Portugal, at the top at least, are still much better than MLS. And I understand that it takes time to build a league, and I'm not talking about shipping in a couple Euros and South Americans in, I'm talking about MLS being a viable option for guys in their prime. Until Robin van Persie is considering a move to Man City, Chelsea, New York Red Bulls, or Real Madrid it's a minor league. So great, you outdraw Blackburn, who are dreadful to watch, but is the product any better? No, absolutely not. It's also been 20 years, and the league is still a place for greats at the end of their career to come to make a few bucks, or young kids trying to get better until they're ready for the Premier League, Bundesliga or La Liga. The best American players don't even play in America, they want to go to England or Germany or wherever, what's that tell you?

As far as expecting MLS to be the best league in the world: absolutely I do. The NFL is really the only American football league in the world of note, and MLB and the NBA are the best leagues in their respective sports. Why would I support something mediocre when I can watch these leagues, which are the best? Also, it's just as easy for me to watch an Arsenal match as it is Sporting Kansas City game on TV, which would you choose?

Sure, I'll go to the games, and I'll have a good time, because they are fun to go to, but I'm not that invested for the same reason I don't care that much about Omaha Royals. I want to watch the best play the best, and for the foreseeable future that's not here.
 
2012-05-27 06:00:05 PM

carnifex2005: mitchcumstein1: SilentStrider: IlGreven: mitchcumstein1: It's still the minor leagues. Sorry, until they can get good European and South American players, in their primes, to come play here, it will continue to be that.

Yes, because North American players will never, ever be good enough to compete on the world stage...

/Tim Howard and Clint Dempsey would like a word with you.

And Landon Donovan.

Remind me again where Dempsey and Tim Howard play.

They both used to play in MLS. MLS revenues have been going up significantly in a recession, eventually those class of players may end up staying. No matter what you perceive, soccer is getting more and more popular every year.


Still, I *do* dream of the day when MLS resembles the NASL of the 70s and get world-class players in their prime to come over.

/Just as long as they don't overexpand and kill their product
 
2012-05-27 06:50:49 PM
Honest question: outside of Real and Barca, is the talent in La Liga really there? With Italy, England, and Germany, there's now the sense that top of the table is anything but a foregone conclusion. I haven't followed this year, but I'd bet both kidneys that nobody came within 20 points of Real Madrid and FC Barcelona.
 
UPS
2012-05-27 07:58:44 PM

capngroovy: Honest question: outside of Real and Barca, is the talent in La Liga really there? With Italy, England, and Germany, there's now the sense that top of the table is anything but a foregone conclusion. I haven't followed this year, but I'd bet both kidneys that nobody came within 20 points of Real Madrid and FC Barcelona.


Yeah, there is, quite a lot actually
 
2012-05-27 08:18:50 PM
People have to remember that by in large, TV networks are pretty much research companies that provide products they think people are interested in.

10 years ago, there was one channel (fox sports world) that showed soccer, aside from ESPN broadcasting the world cup. They showed maybe one live EPL game a week, and sometimes a taped delay match at 4pm. If you were "lucky" you got a Ligue 1 match between Rennes and AC Ajaccio. additional programming included Formula 2 races, Darts, Aussie rules football and 6 hours of infomercials. HD was unheard of.

now you have:

Fox soccer
Fox soccer plus
Gol TV
Fox sports espanol
Fox
Fox regional
ESPN (2, 3, 360)
Gol TV
ABC
NBC

all showing the game. Is it the NFL? no...but enough people want to see it that networks are bidding up the rights to get the games.
 
UPS
2012-05-27 08:34:36 PM
I am loving this thread, a lot of great points have been made;

Promotion/regulation: Fantastic idea, league placement MEANS something; youhave two winners a year (that can only help the sport), the north American concept of a "regular season" would be changed thus making the fans happier to attend games (all of which are important); and having two distinct leagues. It gives lower market teams a place to realistically compete with the promise of a payout.

MLS quality as a league: This will always be tested by the CONCACAF champions league. In my opinion, which I'm sure is wrong, the MLS won't be taken seriously until they remove Mexico as the kings of the the CONCACAF champions league. This is important because the only realistic challenge to UEFA's champions league talent/prestige is a unified CONCACAF COMENBAL champions league. The Galaxy aren't ready for Santos or Boca yet but how awesome would it be if they played? The world would take notice.

Finally: players want to play in the states. The EPL is the highest ranked league in the world. Because of money which breeds competition. That being said, the English style of play is without doubt the hardest league in UEFA to compete in. Thats not to say that Messi couldn't compete in the English League, but I hold Englands recent record in the UEFA champions league as self evident. (Chelsea parking the bus counts, and that was amazing, winners win, any comment to the contrary undermines the entire competition) but who wants to play in Wigan in the rain?

The MLS can be great, it seems to me that the USA as a country are conflicted about how they view the sport.

I think it is incredibly weird that a lot of people dismiss it, but then ahain I a
 
UPS
2012-05-27 08:41:51 PM

capngroovy: Honest question: outside of Real and Barca, is the talent in La Liga really there? With Italy, England, and Germany, there's now the sense that top of the table is anything but a foregone conclusion. I haven't followed this year, but I'd bet both kidneys that nobody came within 20 points of Real Madrid and FC Barcelona.


Go whitecaps go! fark you Toronto for stealing our concacaf champions league money and wasting it on being shiat.
Also, go Sounders, I am super amped that that team can succeed. It's exactly that kind of behaviour Seattle fans that can bring world class players to your town!

Keep it up!!!
 
UPS
2012-05-27 08:46:41 PM
Arsenal hasn't won shiat since ljunberg tasted the Pacific northwest lifestyle, keep it up Sounders!

love, a perfectly content Chelsea fan in Wimbledon
 
UPS
2012-05-27 09:06:03 PM

capngroovy: Honest question: outside of Real and Barca, is the talent in La Liga really there? With Italy, England, and Germany, there's now the sense that top of the table is anything but a foregone conclusion. I haven't followed this year, but I'd bet both kidneys that nobody came within 20 points of Real Madrid and FC Barcelona.


No, but there is a third spot for the best competition in the world at stake, and the money it brings. Just because Spain is Spain shouldn't devalue the sport, refer to City's historic premier league win on that regard.
 
UPS
2012-05-27 09:10:32 PM
Also, most grounds in the premier league support 18,000 fans. The proper indication would be money spent per seat.
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2012-05-28 03:28:13 AM

mitchcumstein1: Also, it's just as easy for me to watch an Arsenal match as it is Sporting Kansas City game on TV, which would you choose?


Probably Sporting because I can see Arsenal every other damn week. As I said, I enjoy mixing it up once in a while.

Besides, the thing about minor leagues is that they produce future major leaguers. There's no cut-and-dried 'minor league'. There's no minor league system same for what the clubs form on their own. You never know which of those minor league teams has the next world-beating superstar unless someone goes and has a look. The Football Manager franchise runs on that concept.

Have you ever heard of CD Maxaquene of Mozambique? You should. That's where Eusebio got his start.
Have you ever heard of Instituto of Argentina? You should. That's where Mario Kempes got his start.
Have you ever heard of a tiny club in Brazil called Bauru? You should. That's where Pele got his start.
Have you heard of Hoje-Gladsaxe of Denmark? You should. That's where Peter Schmeichel got his start.
Have you heard of Real Tamale United of Ghana? You should. That's where Abedi Pele got his start.
Have you heard of Mighty Barrolle of Liberia? You should. That's where George Weah got his start.
Have you heard of Farul Constanta of Romania? You should. That's where Gheorghe Hagi got his start.
Have you heard of Reipas of Finland? You should. That's where Jari Litmanen got his start.

I could go on, but you get the idea.

The world has room for more than one league. And you can actually root for more than one club in soccer; you can take as many as you want provided they're not likely to play each other. I've seen some fans carry as many as five clubs at a time that they root for.
 
2012-05-28 09:50:32 AM

OtherBrotherDarryl: "Not that this success should surprise anyone. Out of the way and independent-minded, Seattle has a tradition of embracing the new. The city gave birth to grunge, Starbucks and Microsoft. Occupy Wall Street? In Seattle, home of the 1999 World Trade Organization riots, that's so last century."

I cringed when I read this.


Yea especially considering how much damage those little Occupy douchebags did to my fair city.

/Sounders season ticket holder
//fark the boring-ass Manures
 
2012-05-28 09:59:15 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Sure, they have lots of fans when they're winning games. Put them on the losing side and you have the stands clearing out 20 minutes before the game ends.


Who pissed in your Cheerios Pony Killer?

You are in Seattle - you ever been to a Sounders match? Done the march to the stadium after a cheesesteak at Calozzi's? Stood for the entire match cheering for the boys and yelling at the refs?

As my brother said when I took him to his first match this year, "Wow. It translates way different live than it does on TV. This is farking cool! The Seahawks games are nothing like this".
 
2012-05-28 10:35:06 AM

UPS: capngroovy: Honest question: outside of Real and Barca, is the talent in La Liga really there? With Italy, England, and Germany, there's now the sense that top of the table is anything but a foregone conclusion. I haven't followed this year, but I'd bet both kidneys that nobody came within 20 points of Real Madrid and FC Barcelona.

Yeah, there is, quite a lot actually


Actually, no one was within 30 points of Barca and Madrid. If you weren't in the top 6, you were over 45 points out of it.
 
2012-05-28 12:48:36 PM

Gosling: The world has room for more than one league. And you can actually root for more than one club in soccer; you can take as many as you want provided they're not likely to play each other. I've seen some fans carry as many as five clubs at a time that they root for.


I do root for Sporting, they play literally 10 minutes from my house, I go to games quite often actually. The games are enjoyable, they are fun, the stadium is great and I'm friends with one of their best defenders. My point is that MLS and MLS fans need to stop comparing themselves to the Premier League.

Watching lesser leagues can be fun, I readily admit that, but I would rather watch the best play the best, at the highest level. That's just me.
 
2012-05-28 03:21:26 PM

Gosling: Second, I will watch literally any two club teams you put in front of me (though it helps if they're at least top-flight in their given country). I have watched tape-delayed Austrian matches online (hi, SV Mattersburg). I have gone on YouTube and watched games from THAILAND (hi, Buriram United). It's not just about the level of play to me. It has to do with the flavor of play and the personality of the local crowds as well. The right kind of crowd can make almost any soccer match worth watching.


Sounds like most of my weekends. I'll watch about any derby over a money club EPL team beating up on a bottom feeder
 
2012-05-28 04:42:15 PM

mitchcumstein1: Gosling: The world has room for more than one league. And you can actually root for more than one club in soccer; you can take as many as you want provided they're not likely to play each other. I've seen some fans carry as many as five clubs at a time that they root for.

I do root for Sporting, they play literally 10 minutes from my house, I go to games quite often actually. The games are enjoyable, they are fun, the stadium is great and I'm friends with one of their best defenders. My point is that MLS and MLS fans need to stop comparing themselves to the Premier League.

Watching lesser leagues can be fun, I readily admit that, but I would rather watch the best play the best, at the highest level. That's just me.


I am a Sounders season ticket holder and I do not compare them to the EPL at all. Other than to show people the vast differences in style of play. The MLS and it's heavily Latin American style is vastly different than the EPL's Euro/African style of play. Those guys in the EPL can put the ball on a farking dime! That said, I do enjoy the fact that we have a high-level league that gets to play international matches that mean something (CONCACAF Champions League if you qualify like Seattle does every year), as well as international friendlies against top-flight teams (Chelsea will be back for the 2nd time in July - I do not expect Drogba to be there).

/notice I called MLS high-level but the EPL top-flight
//I know the difference
 
2012-05-28 09:15:39 PM
I dream of a day when soccer threads will be less predictable.

Until then, Sounders til I die.
 
2012-05-29 01:21:06 AM

SilentStrider: Scotland, even.


There used to be a company based in my home town called Scot Lad. I always wondered how they misspelled 'Scotland'.
 
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