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(The Hill)   Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-erp.) wants better control on your eggs   (thehill.com) divider line 137
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2012-05-26 04:51:21 PM

IMDWalrus: Take a look at his other posts. You need to work on your sarcasm detection.


Eeeeyup. Definitely need to upgrade to the latest model.
 
2012-05-26 04:59:05 PM

MrEricSir: Truly, this is the defining issue of our times. Hundreds of years from now, historians will look back at 2012 as the year Senator Feinstein stepped up to the plate to tackle the egg issue.


The chicken historians will find it significant.

/if corporations are people, why not chickens?
 
2012-05-26 05:08:24 PM
3556
 
2012-05-26 05:24:42 PM

DoctorCal: 3556


Message transmitted, sir.
 
2012-05-26 05:30:31 PM

BarkingUnicorn: OK, I'm on board since crab66 pointed me to some credible evidence that this proposal (in 18 years) will likely reduce salmonella in eggs dramatically. I wish TFA had mentioned some of that instead of just "will someone please think of the CHICKENS!"

OMG, I changed my mind! Am I allowed to do that on Fark, or will I be banned now?


I just checked the Farq and apparently, no, you are not allowed to change your mind, you will not only be banninated for that but the mods will then likely enclose you in a one dimensional prison like Zod and Co in that Superman movie and shot you into deep space in order that Fark may be kept pure, free of any mind changing that may lead to *shocked gasp* consensus making.

/Soz, I don't make the rules around here.
//Ok, I may have mostly made those ones up, though.
///Never actually read the Farq. One day maybe. A rainy one, most likely.
 
2012-05-26 05:37:50 PM

quatchi: BarkingUnicorn: OK, I'm on board since crab66 pointed me to some credible evidence that this proposal (in 18 years) will likely reduce salmonella in eggs dramatically. I wish TFA had mentioned some of that instead of just "will someone please think of the CHICKENS!"

OMG, I changed my mind! Am I allowed to do that on Fark, or will I be banned now?

I just checked the Farq and apparently, no, you are not allowed to change your mind, you will not only be banninated for that but the mods will then likely enclose you in a one dimensional prison like Zod and Co in that Superman movie and shot you into deep space in order that Fark may be kept pure, free of any mind changing that may lead to *shocked gasp* consensus making.

/Soz, I don't make the rules around here.
//Ok, I may have mostly made those ones up, though.
///Never actually read the Farq. One day maybe. A rainy one, most likely.


Pretty sure that was a two dimensional prison, dude. A 1D prison would be a line.
 
2012-05-26 05:51:57 PM

crab66: Who actually has a problem with this?

What's wrong with reasonable regulations that help prevent mass outbreaks of disease?


Holy crap, you actually talk? Reasonably? Last time I saw you, you were posting a bunch of shiatty image macros about how Obama sucks.
 
2012-05-26 06:23:41 PM
chainsawsuit.com
 
2012-05-26 06:30:54 PM
I was kind of surprised when I read the headline. Usually, it's Republicans who are trying to control MY eggs. But then I read the article, and it's about chicken eggs. You're right, subby, trying to prevent salmonella is far more a breach of my rights than trying to control the eggs in my body.
 
2012-05-26 06:35:08 PM

IMDWalrus: Pretty sure that was a two dimensional prison, dude. A 1D prison would be a line.


Ah, good point.

I was probably thinking about Mitt Romney's thinking again or something.

*makes note to spend more time on the Geek tab*
 
2012-05-26 06:43:05 PM
False Equivalency 101:

Senator XYZ (R-etarded) proposed legislation ABC that will deny DEF rights.

Senator PQR (D-erp) proposed legislation that regulates (SCARY WORD) interstate commerce to the betterment of business (oh, shiat, that is what we like. HEAD EXPLOSION!)

But, BSABSVR.
 
2012-05-26 06:46:17 PM
anything with HSUS's stamp of approval is bad in my book. Those farkers are just plain evil. Seriously look them up. Especially the choice quotes from Wayne Pacelle.
 
2012-05-26 06:46:51 PM

Shaggy_C: relcec: If states could do shiat like this, don't you think they would do it all the time to protect local producers? Illinois can't restrain interstate trade by putting ridiculous regulations in place. it is unconstitutional.

If that were the case, there would be no such thing as individualized laws in each state and there would be no point to this law being proposed by the feds. This is not the case at all. In your example the impedance to interstate commerce was not justified by the slight increase in safety. It was very specifically ruled.


listen, I'm just telling you if you inhibit interstate commerce you need to have a legitimate police power reason, the damage to interstate commerce can't overwhelm the local benefits to the claimed state interest and some courts have even looked at whether the state is availing themselves of the least restrictive means to available to address the *problem*.

since there is literally no safety benefit to "allowing space for the birds to engage in natural behaviors such as nesting and perching" I think a state would have a hard time imposing such a regulation. nevermind that but I have a feeling that the fda already has a poultry and egg inspection regime. this shiat could be totally preempted if developed on the state level, no balancing test needed.

but don't forget what I was originally arguing: Feintsien is lying when she says the interstate market for eggs is in danger of being throttle by a patchwork quit of differing regulations. that absolutely will not happen whether this legislation is passed or not.

now if you want argue that redducio ad absurdum the law can't possibly be what I say it is I guess you can but I'm not sure what you gain by that.
 
2012-05-26 06:55:48 PM

quatchi: BarkingUnicorn: OK, I'm on board since crab66 pointed me to some credible evidence that this proposal (in 18 years) will likely reduce salmonella in eggs dramatically. I wish TFA had mentioned some of that instead of just "will someone please think of the CHICKENS!"

OMG, I changed my mind! Am I allowed to do that on Fark, or will I be banned now?

I just checked the Farq and apparently, no, you are not allowed to change your mind, you will not only be banninated for that but the mods will then likely enclose you in a one dimensional prison like Zod and Co in that Superman movie and shot you into deep space in order that Fark may be kept pure, free of any mind changing that may lead to *shocked gasp* consensus making.

/Soz, I don't make the rules around here.
//Ok, I may have mostly made those ones up, though.
///Never actually read the Farq. One day maybe. A rainy one, most likely.


Whew! I can handle that, long as I don't have to marry a chicken.
 
2012-05-26 07:18:30 PM
[adds one more thread number to relcec's WTFarky]
 
2012-05-26 07:39:43 PM

relcec: since there is literally no safety benefit to "allowing space for the birds to engage in natural behaviors such as nesting and perching"


That's not all the law is about. It's one among several policies that as a whole will help insure safer conditions. Excessive ammonia and unsanitary conditions causes by overcrowding are a work hazard for the people processing the birds. Humane treatment of farm animals is required in many jurisdictions. It's not unreasonable for the federal government to establish standards to facilitate interstate commerce -- especially when the egg industry requested the law:

"The egg industry brought this legislation to Congress and has asked us to help them implement the uniform regulations needed to survive and grow," she said. "The egg industry and the Humane Society are lock-step in their support for this bill. They are joined in endorsing the bill by the American Veterinary Medical Association and the Consumer Federation of America."

relcec: Feintsien is lying when she says the interstate market for eggs is in danger of being throttle by a patchwork quit of differing regulations.


She didn't say that. Impair does not equal throttle. No quilt is mentioned. She didn't lie. She offered a common sense observation based on current legal trends. You disagree with her, but that's just your opinion. Characterizing a difference of opinion as lying while you insert inflammatory words into her neutral descriptions is, however, falsification.
 
2012-05-26 08:25:53 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: DoctorCal: 3556

Message transmitted, sir.


That's the number of greens the weekend admin, a professional troll, has racked up now.
 
2012-05-26 08:32:51 PM

DoctorCal: Lenny_da_Hog: DoctorCal: 3556

Message transmitted, sir.

That's the number of greens the weekend admin, a professional troll, has racked up now.


So it didn't mean we sho- Aww, crap. Anyone know how to grow chest hair back?
 
2012-05-26 09:07:21 PM
How about we pass various state regulations on the production of STRAWBERRIES to break up the 90% market share controlled by California?

Really, it's the converse to what California is doing. They import a lot of their eggs because it's cheaper to have the hens fed closer to the corn and then just transport the eggs. California hippies have been conned by California egg producers in order to set an arbitrary standards of care and inspection that can't be met from Iowa.

I'm pretty sure the USDA or FDA could enact these regulations if those hippies were to aim at the right target. You know, the Federal regulators that govern things like the health and safety of farm animals already.
 
2012-05-26 09:23:31 PM
songwroter.com
 
2012-05-26 09:51:09 PM

LordZorch: Dinki: which would ensure egg producers aren't blocked from selling across state lines due to differing state standards.

OMG, Congress addressing an issue related to interstate commerce. In other words, DOING ITS FARKING JOB. I can understand how derpmitter would find that confusing.

Because we all know that the government is going to make sure that our eggs are up to code and perfect. Just as soon as the costs go way, way up to comply with all the stupid red tape and regulations that will be imposed.

And it's a good thing too, because we all know how messed up our eggs have been for all time without the government there to help us.

idiot....


Guess how I know that either your wife or your mother buys the household eggs?

Outside of organic eggs, the quality of eggs has been declining for a while now. The shells are thinner and more fragile than they were in the 70s and 80s. This thinning is very noticeable when trying to dye Easter eggs. And studies have shown that eggs are less nutritious now than they were a few decades back.

With kids in the house, I consider organic eggs to be an investment.
 
2012-05-26 09:55:51 PM

BarkingUnicorn: jbuist: LordZorch: nd it's a good thing too, because we all know how messed up our eggs have been for all time without the government there to help us.

Uh, we had a salmonella problem with eggs about 18 months ago.

And I will say that stuff like this is EXACTLY what the Commerce Clause is there for.

I don't see anything in this proposal that would make eggs safer for humans. It's all about hen welfare. If the purpose is to facilitate interstate commerce, then ban state standards that impede interstate commerce.

This is why we can't have $0.99 Denver omelets & other nice things.


It is not possible for an adult to be so ignorant that s/he can not understand the relationship between hen welfare and health of human egg consumers. Either you are too young to participate on a site of this sort or you are being deliberately obtuse.
 
2012-05-26 10:36:03 PM

LordZorch: And it's a good thing too, because we all know how messed up our eggs have been for all time without the government there to help us.

idiot....


QFT
 
2012-05-26 11:20:16 PM

Unshavenhelga: LordZorch: And it's a good thing too, because we all know how messed up our eggs have been for all time without the government there to help us.

idiot....

QFT


Yep. You just quoted an idiot.
And that's the truth.
 
2012-05-26 11:32:17 PM

Lunaville: BarkingUnicorn: jbuist: LordZorch: nd it's a good thing too, because we all know how messed up our eggs have been for all time without the government there to help us.

Uh, we had a salmonella problem with eggs about 18 months ago.

And I will say that stuff like this is EXACTLY what the Commerce Clause is there for.

I don't see anything in this proposal that would make eggs safer for humans. It's all about hen welfare. If the purpose is to facilitate interstate commerce, then ban state standards that impede interstate commerce.

This is why we can't have $0.99 Denver omelets & other nice things.

It is not possible for an adult to be so ignorant that s/he can not understand the relationship between hen welfare and health of human egg consumers. Either you are too young to participate on a site of this sort or you are being deliberately obtuse.


I can understand the relationship when it's presented to me, as crab66 did a few posts back. But TFA is all about hen welfare and the Commerce Clause.

Incidentally, FARK you, you snippy old biddy!
 
2012-05-26 11:32:55 PM

Lunaville: LordZorch: Dinki: which would ensure egg producers aren't blocked from selling across state lines due to differing state standards.

OMG, Congress addressing an issue related to interstate commerce. In other words, DOING ITS FARKING JOB. I can understand how derpmitter would find that confusing.

Because we all know that the government is going to make sure that our eggs are up to code and perfect. Just as soon as the costs go way, way up to comply with all the stupid red tape and regulations that will be imposed.

And it's a good thing too, because we all know how messed up our eggs have been for all time without the government there to help us.

idiot....

Guess how I know that either your wife or your mother buys the household eggs?

Outside of organic eggs, the quality of eggs has been declining for a while now. The shells are thinner and more fragile than they were in the 70s and 80s. This thinning is very noticeable when trying to dye Easter eggs. And studies have shown that eggs are less nutritious now than they were a few decades back.

With kids in the house, I consider organic eggs to be an investment.


A very reasonable investment, too. I get organic, free range eggs for under three dollars a dozen. That's still an incredibly cheap protein. The yolks taste better, too.
 
2012-05-27 12:49:26 AM

Aar1012: ZOMG! THE DEMOCRAT WAR ON WOMEN CHKINZ CONTINUES!


FTFY

/bawk, bawk
 
2012-05-27 03:13:38 AM

chuckufarlie: This will make the price of eggs so high that only the 1% will be able to afford them.


0/10
 
2012-05-27 07:15:04 AM
Government so small it'll fit into a chicken's vagina. Or, whatever.

/ Don't crucify me, I'm a computer geek with zero interest in a chicken's naughty bits.
// Eggs come from cartons.
 
2012-05-27 07:24:40 AM
GOP Mantra: Government is bad! Government is useless! Government can't do anything!
Vote me into government office!
 
2012-05-27 10:04:56 AM
 
2012-05-27 12:57:31 PM

Lunaville: Outside of organic eggs, the quality of eggs has been declining for a while now. The shells are thinner and more fragile than they were in the 70s and 80s. This thinning is very noticeable when trying to dye Easter eggs. And studies have shown that eggs are less nutritious now than they were a few decades back.

With kids in the house, I consider organic eggs to be an investment.


THIS.

Noticed the same thing and switched to to organic eggs a while back. Better eggs are better.

/Lunaville is a good egg.
 
2012-05-27 01:24:32 PM

Ricardo Klement: You know, so much of this stuff is retarded, that sometimes people don't even bother reading the details before becoming outraged. This is clearly one of those cases. Aside from it being a Democrat proposal, I wonder if even Ron Paul would have a problem with this, and if so, what he feels the federal government's job is here.


I usually agree with little Feinstein does or stands for, but occasionally she comes up with something that makes sense, and this is one of those times. Another one is reining in the lawsuit/extortion-factory that the Americans with Disabilities Act has created.
 
2012-05-27 05:30:03 PM

jjorsett: Ricardo Klement: You know, so much of this stuff is retarded, that sometimes people don't even bother reading the details before becoming outraged. This is clearly one of those cases. Aside from it being a Democrat proposal, I wonder if even Ron Paul would have a problem with this, and if so, what he feels the federal government's job is here.

I usually agree with little Feinstein does or stands for, but occasionally she comes up with something that makes sense, and this is one of those times. Another one is reining in the lawsuit/extortion-factory that the Americans with Disabilities Act has created.


How about her support of the Patriot Acts I and II?
 
2012-05-28 03:02:15 AM

wildcardjack: How about we pass various state regulations on the production of STRAWBERRIES to break up the 90% market share controlled by California?

Really, it's the converse to what California is doing. They import a lot of their eggs because it's cheaper to have the hens fed closer to the corn and then just transport the eggs. California hippies have been conned by California egg producers in order to set an arbitrary standards of care and inspection that can't be met from Iowa.

I'm pretty sure the USDA or FDA could enact these regulations if those hippies were to aim at the right target. You know, the Federal regulators that govern things like the health and safety of farm animals already.


???

What's the difference between legislating a requirement for an ideal strawberry-growing climate and legislating a requirement that pi = 3?

Why are egg producers in Iowa incapable of following the same standards as egg producers in California?

If it's OK for the USDA/FDA to enact these regulations, why is doing the same thing through legislation (with the support of the egg producers and the animal-rights groups) bad?
 
2012-05-28 03:20:35 AM

common sense is an oxymoron: Why are egg producers in Iowa incapable of following the same standards as egg producers in California?


So are you going to shuttle the California certified egg inspectors yourself?
 
2012-05-28 04:11:07 AM

wildcardjack: common sense is an oxymoron: Why are egg producers in Iowa incapable of following the same standards as egg producers in California?

So are you going to shuttle the California certified egg inspectors yourself?


Of course certified egg inspectors have to be shuttled everywhere...because there is no known technology that allows for the transmission of inspection criteria for egg producers over long distances.
 
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