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2012-05-26 01:53:05 AM

Make More Hinjews: Sabyen91: Mentat: Winning: Well, if you look at Obama most folks didn't hear about him till the 04 convention.

You really weren't being sarcastic about Booker? Really, fark that guy. What a worm.

This conversation doesn't belong here, but email me (EIP) and I'll be happy to fight you on that point.


I am about done tonight but I will email you if I remember. :)
 
2012-05-26 01:53:41 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Sabyen91: AverageAmericanGuy: I like Biden. He looks like someone I would enjoy watching on Driv-ins, Diners, and Dives with Guy Fieri.

Shame about his family, though.

Nobody should enjoy Guy Fieri. That guy exudes douchiness.

Bu if you could have Biden and his Camaro as a sidekick? It would lend a certain gravitas and balance to the show.


Hmm, only if Dog the Bounty Hunter comes along!
 
2012-05-26 01:54:49 AM

Sabyen91: AverageAmericanGuy: Sabyen91: AverageAmericanGuy: I like Biden. He looks like someone I would enjoy watching on Driv-ins, Diners, and Dives with Guy Fieri.

Shame about his family, though.

Nobody should enjoy Guy Fieri. That guy exudes douchiness.

Bu if you could have Biden and his Camaro as a sidekick? It would lend a certain gravitas and balance to the show.

Hmm, only if Dog the Bounty Hunter comes along!


Don't be ridiculous.
 
2012-05-26 01:55:28 AM
Where are the trolls?

There ought to be trolls.
 
2012-05-26 01:58:09 AM

firefly212: I don't care what your political orientation is... if you watch this speech and feel nothing, there's something wrong with you.

 
2012-05-26 01:58:37 AM
You get the sense that Joe sees this as the likely end of his political career, and he's decided to go out guns blazing either way. If national polls are to be believed, it's possible that Biden could be the deciding factor in a really tight race.
 
2012-05-26 02:01:26 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Sabyen91: AverageAmericanGuy: Sabyen91: AverageAmericanGuy: I like Biden. He looks like someone I would enjoy watching on Driv-ins, Diners, and Dives with Guy Fieri.

Shame about his family, though.

Nobody should enjoy Guy Fieri. That guy exudes douchiness.

Bu if you could have Biden and his Camaro as a sidekick? It would lend a certain gravitas and balance to the show.

Hmm, only if Dog the Bounty Hunter comes along!

Don't be ridiculous.


I thought we passed that a long time ago.
 
2012-05-26 02:01:42 AM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: You get the sense that Joe sees this as the likely end of his political career, and he's decided to go out guns blazing either way. If national polls are to be believed, it's possible that Biden could be the deciding factor in a really tight race.


Did you really just politicize this?
 
2012-05-26 02:02:02 AM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: You get the sense that Joe sees this as the likely end of his political career, and he's decided to go out guns blazing either way. If national polls are to be believed, it's possible that Biden could be the deciding factor in a really tight race.


Horserace!
 
2012-05-26 02:05:07 AM

BuckTurgidson: Where are the trolls?

There ought to be trolls.



Don't bother, they're here.
 
2012-05-26 02:08:03 AM

MorrisBird: BuckTurgidson: Where are the trolls?

There ought to be trolls.


Don't bother, they're here.


enterprisedevicealliance.org
 
2012-05-26 02:08:46 AM
blog.chron.com
/hot
//oblig for hyper-vigilant modmin
\no righty feelings were harmed in the making of this post
 
2012-05-26 02:10:16 AM

Sabyen91: schubie: He's the "Father of the Patriot Act" his own words. Nice speech though.

Citation please. Difficulty: No right-wing blogs.


Link This is from The New Republic.
 
2012-05-26 02:13:55 AM
Dammit Joe, it's dusty in here.

I want to go wake up my daughter so I can hug her again.
 
2012-05-26 02:15:01 AM
Frankly, I've never formed a strong opinion about Biden, one way or another. I haven't seen him speak an awful lot, and when I have seen him it hasn't made a huge impression. But this is one of the most moving speeches I've ever seen.

He had the experience of feeling like no one understood how he felt, until someone took the time to explain that he did have some shared experience, which helped him. So here, as VP talking to the families of fallen soldiers, be laid himself open in a deeply personal way so that they could see that someone else understood how they felt. So that they could have hope. It was an amazingly decent thing to do, and I find myself liking the guy from this one speech.
 
2012-05-26 02:15:15 AM
Bravo, Mr. Biden, Bravo. That was simply beautiful. And powerful. I don't know how he could stand there and recount the situation about the accident as he did without choking up. I couldn't do that. He did, however, as he was getting too deep say "anyway, anyway" so you could tell it was getting to that point. Such a sad story. That goes for all that have lost loved ones. This guy just brought it home.
 
2012-05-26 02:15:59 AM

Winning: Mentat: VideSupra: Mentat: Winning: intelligent comment below: lexslamman: Biden will make a great president in 2017.

Hillary deserves the nomination for doing a great job at state.

Biden will be 74
Hillary will be 69 (giggity)
Elizabeth Warren will be 67

Who will be 40-55 in 4 years?

Cory Booker.

This. Cuomo will be 58.

The bad thing about the Democrats is that all of their rising stars have flamed out. Spitzer and Wiener could have made a go at it. President Wiener. hahaha

Well, if you look at Obama most folks didn't hear about him till the 04 convention.

Chances are we could go through this entire thread without naming the individual that will win the nomination in '16.


Martin O'Malley (53 in 2016) ?

MorrisBird: BuckTurgidson: Where are the trolls?

There ought to be trolls.


Don't bother, they're here.


No, they're on dumbmoran.com and I hope those farkwits Sk_nnyh__d and t_np__nds_fch__s_ stay there. Permanently.
 
2012-05-26 02:16:03 AM

schubie: Sabyen91: schubie: He's the "Father of the Patriot Act" his own words. Nice speech though.

Citation please. Difficulty: No right-wing blogs.

Link This is from The New Republic.


I am still waiting for a citation that says something about being the father of the Patriot Act. That one didn't do it.
 
2012-05-26 02:22:09 AM
This is why Joe is probably one of the few politicians I trust in Washington. The ears listen intently to what he has to say, the eyes watch his expressions, and a combination of those organs stimulate a response that is hard to keep away.

While I don't have the exact pain that he has felt, when my grandmother passed away, I felt this weird sensation of a something in my life missing. I couldn't understand the feelings simply because it was the first time I seriously experienced the sensation of loss. It may sound sort of funny to say it like I've stated, but I really hadn't ever experienced a loss so grand. My grandmother was an amazing individual who could weave a story from her past so well that it kept me quiet and listening intently. I love a good story and hate when I miss out on them. With her loss, I honestly felt like I missed out on some incredible stories. It's probably silly to spill a little personal life into this forum, but I felt it necessary to say just a few things about her. I'll never compare to her storytelling and experiences in life, but I certainly will try to make sure they're just as interesting so someone else may have the same joy as I had listening to her stories.

Mr. Vice President, Thank you for your words. I honestly hope no one would have the audacity to complain about this speech; you obviously put a great deal of care into so as to provide support to these families.
 
2012-05-26 02:24:05 AM

Sabyen91: schubie: Sabyen91: schubie: Trolling

Feeding the troll

More Trolling

Continuing to feed the troll.


I'm not waiting, because I'd rather not have a thread about an empassioned and moving speech shiatted on by trolls.

If you notice people trolling like that, don't waste time and threadspace asking for citations you know will never come, put them on ignore and let the thread stay on topic.

Good for Mr. Biden. We don't often get to see it, but he is quite a gifted orator. It's nice to see him get a chance to display it, especially in a context where nobody except braindead morons, and those bent on actively destroying America, will complain about it.
 
2012-05-26 02:25:57 AM

Jorn the Younger: Sabyen91: schubie: Sabyen91: schubie: Trolling

Feeding the troll

More Trolling

Continuing to feed the troll.

I'm not waiting, because I'd rather not have a thread about an empassioned and moving speech shiatted on by trolls.

If you notice people trolling like that, don't waste time and threadspace asking for citations you know will never come, put them on ignore and let the thread stay on topic.

Good for Mr. Biden. We don't often get to see it, but he is quite a gifted orator. It's nice to see him get a chance to display it, especially in a context where nobody except braindead morons, and those bent on actively destroying America, will complain about it.


It is 1:25 in the morning. I don't need a lecture on troll etiquette.
 
2012-05-26 02:32:17 AM
I'm not a troll, I voted for Obama and will vote for him again, but Biden is the guy who had a wiretapping etc bill ready to go after the Oklahoma City Bombings and that's bill the Patriot Act was based on. He was also a dick to Anita Hill. I will leave the thread alone as my presence is upsetting to his fans.
 
2012-05-26 02:34:12 AM

schubie: I'm not a troll, I voted for Obama and will vote for him again, but Biden is the guy who had a wiretapping etc bill ready to go after the Oklahoma City Bombings and that's bill the Patriot Act was based on. He was also a dick to Anita Hill. I will leave the thread alone as my presence is upsetting to his fans.


And yet you make shiat up and pass it off as truth. And if you can't see a hit-piece in the New Republic when you see it perhaps you should never vote. Please.
 
2012-05-26 02:36:13 AM

MorrisBird: BuckTurgidson: Where are the trolls?

There ought to be trolls.


Don't bother, they're here.


They haven't received their talking points yet. Wait until morning.

/or maybe this is so untouchable they're being paid NOT to troll
 
2012-05-26 02:36:35 AM

LincolnLogolas: Dammit Joe, it's dusty in here.

I want to go wake up my daughter so I can hug her again.


Glad to learn that I'm not the only one with a severe allergy. ;)

/Very well done,Mr. Biden. FWIW,you have my deepest sympathies.
 
2012-05-26 02:38:11 AM

Type_Hard: firefly212: I don't care what your political orientation is... if you watch this speech and feel nothing, there's something wrong with you.

Sadly, the commenters on Breitbart would disagree...

Joe made it all about himself!

/SMH


I don't even think the people spewing that line even buy it. If I just saw that speech as a conservative... I'd already know support for Romney was tepid, but if he could possibly find a VP candidate who could connect with people like Biden did, it would only further accentuate Romney's robot-like qualities. I think they saw it, it moved them, and it scared the crap out of them that the guy they hate so rabidly could be so... painfully human. When the whole GOP message is built around telling the nation that the current administration just doesn't "get it," and they clearly demonstrate that they do understand what it is to be regular and vulnerable... ya gotta think that right now it's just disorganized, but the theme tomorrow will be to change the topic to anything else, Memorial weekend or not.
 
2012-05-26 02:39:58 AM

firefly212: Type_Hard: firefly212: I don't care what your political orientation is... if you watch this speech and feel nothing, there's something wrong with you.

Sadly, the commenters on Breitbart would disagree...

Joe made it all about himself!

/SMH

I don't even think the people spewing that line even buy it. If I just saw that speech as a conservative... I'd already know support for Romney was tepid, but if he could possibly find a VP candidate who could connect with people like Biden did, it would only further accentuate Romney's robot-like qualities. I think they saw it, it moved them, and it scared the crap out of them that the guy they hate so rabidly could be so... painfully human. When the whole GOP message is built around telling the nation that the current administration just doesn't "get it," and they clearly demonstrate that they do understand what it is to be regular and vulnerable... ya gotta think that right now it's just disorganized, but the theme tomorrow will be to change the topic to anything else, Memorial weekend or not.


Bachmann can connect with people like that!
 
2012-05-26 02:40:03 AM
Wow. I'm speechless.
 
2012-05-26 02:41:27 AM
The darker side of humanity is certainly being properly displayed in this thread. Yes, this is Fark.

The tone of the headline was obviously focused on a somber note. Yet you farktards that decided to drag politics into this discussion should be ashamed. Crawdads should remain under rocks for until a child picks up a rock, not for when an adult has to say something worth listening.
 
2012-05-26 02:43:01 AM

common sense is an oxymoron: MorrisBird: BuckTurgidson: Where are the trolls?

There ought to be trolls.


Don't bother, they're here.

They haven't received their talking points yet. Wait until morning.

/or maybe this is so untouchable they're being paid NOT to troll


Yeah, were talking about the same people that thought it was a good idea to deny 9/11 first responders health care for farks sake. They'll be along soon enough to shiat all over the place and smile while doing so.

/hope I'm wrong.
//pessimist
 
2012-05-26 02:43:31 AM

schubie: I'm not a troll, I voted for Obama and will vote for him again, but Biden is the guy who had a wiretapping etc bill ready to go after the Oklahoma City Bombings and that's bill the Patriot Act was based on. He was also a dick to Anita Hill. I will leave the thread alone as my presence is upsetting to his fans.


Good God,man,haven't you enough of a heart to refrain from this?
 
2012-05-26 02:43:45 AM

VJStinger: common sense is an oxymoron: MorrisBird: BuckTurgidson: Where are the trolls?

There ought to be trolls.


Don't bother, they're here.

They haven't received their talking points yet. Wait until morning.

/or maybe this is so untouchable they're being paid NOT to troll

Yeah, were talking about the same people that thought it was a good idea to deny 9/11 first responders health care for farks sake. They'll be along soon enough to shiat all over the place and smile while doing so.

/hope I'm wrong.
//pessimist


Or just go back to the Ted Kennedy death thread...
 
2012-05-26 02:58:10 AM
Dammit Joe, I had a good buzz going on, and then you done made me sober up. Now I gotta go call my dad.
 
2012-05-26 02:59:22 AM
Biden said Americans have "good reason to be upset" because they lost jobs because of the recession, "something they didn't have a thing to do with creating." "Even though 50-some percent of the American people think the economy tanked because of the last administration, that's not relevant," said the vice president. "What's relevant is we're in charge."

Even though I voted for Obama, I wish Biden would take his place. Biden seems to be a realist whereas Obama is a Hope n Changer and therefore blames everyone but himself. Now, we're entering a second recession and so, Biden, if you run for presidency of the United States, I'll vote for ya!
 
2012-05-26 03:02:45 AM
Biden was a public defender for a while, then went to work for a law firm. He could've made a lot more doing corporate litigation but he had no interest in it. There's a lot to be said for someone who could easily make a bunch more money but sticks with what they do because they believe it is worth doing.
 
2012-05-26 03:03:41 AM

xaveth: Biden said Americans have "good reason to be upset" because they lost jobs because of the recession, "something they didn't have a thing to do with creating." "Even though 50-some percent of the American people think the economy tanked because of the last administration, that's not relevant," said the vice president. "What's relevant is we're in charge."

Even though I voted for Obama, I wish Biden would take his place. Biden seems to be a realist whereas Obama is a Hope n Changer and therefore blames everyone but himself. Now, we're entering a second recession and so, Biden, if you run for presidency of the United States, I'll vote for ya!


Right. They are so different. You do realize the Veep can afford a freer tongue than the Pres? Or are you an idiot?
 
2012-05-26 03:09:58 AM

xaveth: Even though I voted for Obama, I wish Biden would take his place. Biden seems to be a realist whereas Obama is a Hope n Changer and therefore blames everyone but himself.


That's funny, the biggest criticism I hear is that Obama has gone completely pragmatic and is missing out on the Hope n Change when he's not in campaign mode.

In any case, yeah. That was something...

/damn allergies.
 
2012-05-26 03:11:56 AM
Can we just leave this on top of the Politics tab for a few days?

/priorities
 
2012-05-26 03:15:02 AM
Resident Con troll here -

That was one of the most human, genuine, heartfelt speeches I've ever heard anyone - much less a politician - give. It wasn't really a speech - more a talk from a friend who understands. No heart string tugging, just talk from someone who's been there.
 
2012-05-26 03:15:40 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Can we just leave this on top of the Politics tab for a few days?

/priorities


Everybody should see it. If for nothing else but for us to remember our humanity.
 
2012-05-26 03:16:42 AM

Sabyen91: You do realize the Veep can afford a freer tongue than the Pres? Or are you an idiot?


That's fairly recent, Truman was known for saying things that if said today would cause a ruckus.
 
2012-05-26 03:20:59 AM

WhyteRaven74: Sabyen91: You do realize the Veep can afford a freer tongue than the Pres? Or are you an idiot?

That's fairly recent, Truman was known for saying things that if said today would cause a ruckus.


We used to respect plain speakers, though. We NEED pols to lie to us now, apparently.
 
2012-05-26 03:25:10 AM
What kind of namby-pamby nonsense is this??!

goddamitsomuch

/dustyinhere
 
2012-05-26 03:25:48 AM

WhyteRaven74: That's fairly recent, Truman was known for saying things that if said today would cause a ruckus.


The things Truman said DID cause a ruckus. He was playing a piano at a party and someone asked him "Mr. President, are we going to share the secret of the atomic bomb with the Russians?" Truman said "Heck no, that would be silly."
That caused a ruckus. If I understand the term "ruckus" correctly.
 
2012-05-26 03:26:01 AM

Type_Hard: firefly212: I don't care what your political orientation is... if you watch this speech and feel nothing, there's something wrong with you.

Sadly, the commenters on Breitbart would disagree...

Joe made it all about himself!

/SMH


=======================================
s_elliot_rodax

Hey Joe... it's never too late to set things right.

Go on... pull the trigger.
=======================================


This.......just makes me sick.
 
2012-05-26 03:28:06 AM
I'm not a fan of the guy in office, but fark that.

This speech was tremendous, and anyone attacking it has no soul.
 
2012-05-26 03:28:34 AM

Type_Hard: firefly212: I don't care what your political orientation is... if you watch this speech and feel nothing, there's something wrong with you.

Sadly, the commenters on Breitbart would disagree...

Joe made it all about himself!

/SMH


That's because they're subhuman retards.

I remember experiencing a lot of family members dying. I remember my mother dying, my father dying, my uncle dying, my aunt dying.

And I remember when people who'd never experienced death would come up to me and say, "I know what you're going through," and unless they did know what I was going through, unless they'd lost somebody themselves, I thought "fark you, no you don't. You haven't a clue the loss in my world right now."

I remember when my uncle died, his own mother, well into her nineties, was staring at the casket at the wake, in the front row as she was, weeping, consoled by my aunt. I remember her asking again and again, "why couldn't it have been me?"

I remember her bargaining for death, bartering with her life, to a God who wasn't there or wouldn't listen, railing against the fates. I don't know what she was going through.

I have no clue.

The same man dead, the same person in a casket, was an experience for her unlike anything else. I know death, but I don't know the death of a child. I could only contemplate the obscenity of the world, the pure blasphemy of a child dying before a parent, as this woman in her 90s pleading to trade places with a son in his 60s, a son who had lived, in those years as brief and fleeting as life is in our eyes, a contented life, a life with children of his own, a life of love and of family, of fulfillment and satisfaction, of contributions received and given.

I knew him, I knew my uncle, and I knew my grief. But I did not know her grief. I couldn't.

Grief is a selfish thing, an ugly, childish part of us that lashes out against an unfair and uncaring world that would deprive us of our comfortable familiarity without a thought. Grief isn't even about the deceased. About the hole they leave behind in us, yes, but it is about us as individuals.

There is no 'we' in grief. No 'us'. There is only 'I' and 'me'. "My husband/wife/father/mother/son/daughter is dead. I am alone in the world. This is so unfair to me."

You can't say anything to that. There is no speaking to that. It is so isolated and insular that you cannot make grief about we the living. There is only one thing to say in that case. I I I I I I I I know what you're going through, I know how it feels, I know the emptiness.

It's the only thing that can be said, because selfishness is the only thing that can penetrate selfishness. It is the only way to say: "In the darkness between thoughts, where you find yourself a frightened animal scared of the shadows that fall on you because a light has flickered out forever, I too have stood in that cold and unforgiving silence, pleading with lost loves who will never answer my plaintive calls." It is the only way to say: "You are not really alone. You just can't see past the dark right now. But we are there."

Who in the fark cannot understand that?
 
2012-05-26 03:30:16 AM

dlp211: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: You get the sense that Joe sees this as the likely end of his political career, and he's decided to go out guns blazing either way. If national polls are to be believed, it's possible that Biden could be the deciding factor in a really tight race.

Did you really just politicize this?


SERIOUSLY.

Dammit.
 
2012-05-26 03:37:38 AM
seriously, that deserves major applause. good farking job
 
2012-05-26 03:38:25 AM
+1.

/someone brought onions in here all of a sudden
 
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