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(Some Guy)   Professor complains that crosses on state university entrance tower violate the separation of church and state. Good Christians respond as Jesus would, by stalking, online harassment, death threats, and firing her from her job   (au.org) divider line 118
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2012-05-26 02:42:28 AM
11 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Religion scares atheists. It reminds them of the God-shaped hole in their soul.


Nope. Religion scares us because religious people tend to be fanatical. And in Texas, fanatics like to lynch people regardless of their skin color. Outside of Texas, fanatics murder people who disagree with them. We are afraid of religion because religious people are unpredictable murderers.
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-05-25 11:25:16 PM
9 votes:
Christians in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all. There should be a law that allows you to slap a person in the face if they say they are being persecuted, which in turn will mean they are being persecuted.

If you want to be Christian and be persecuted, go to Iraq and practice Christianity. There seems to be a church bombing every month. That is real persecution. You are playing Russian Roulette with faith.
2012-05-26 02:18:34 AM
7 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It's not the objection to crosses that bothers the prof "Christians" in the article. It was objection to the religious meaning behind them in a state-run setting.

Religion Atheism, even agnosticism, scares atheists (some) religionists. It reminds them of the God-shaped hole in their soul that some people don't believe them.


FTFY

/what's a soul?
2012-05-26 02:18:21 AM
7 votes:
As an athiest I'll say this, everyone in this story is a loser. The professor for getting her panties in a bunch over a couple of crosses that aren't hurting her, the "Good Christians" for threatening her, and the school for firing her.
2012-05-26 02:07:26 AM
7 votes:
Help! Help! We're being oppressed because whenever we threaten someone with death they call the cops on us!
2012-05-26 07:37:13 AM
4 votes:
I'm a Christian, I believe in the message of the Bible, Christ, all that jazz.

Take down the crosses or cover them up. It's a state university. It doesn't matter if the person complaining is atheist, Christian, or Pastafarian.

What all these "SHOW ME WHAR SEPARATION WHAR" folks don't seem to get is yes, it keeps religion out of the state, and it's supposed to keep the state out of religion. You can't have it be a one way street, and I wouldn't want a theocracy of ANY stripe in America.

And persuhkyootion!!!!

Please.

We are THE MOST FREE to practice our religion. I think mockery was the least of the concerns of the Christians being tortured and killed because of their faith.

In other words, please stop. You're not helping.
2012-05-26 05:35:19 AM
4 votes:

Nerdhurter: For the record, I'm not by definition a Christian, agnostic would be about right, I'm just constantly amazed by the vitriol and bitterness by what I'm sure is a minority of atheists. Ok fellas you've got it figured out, surely a highly evolved organism (or your spawn) can't be threatened by a cross on a university tower.


Separation of church and state. Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. And one of the two political parties of this nation is determined to turn it into a Christian theocracy.

Far more Christians rage and scream about other religions doing something as inoffensive as having their symbols somewhere than atheists do about Christian symbols being somewhere. Christians are the ones who become outraged when you tell them "Happy holidays". Christians are responsible for inanities like One Million Moms. Christians are the ones responsible for preventing equality in this country, being far more obsessed with gay buttsex than even the most nympho power bottom twink and how much it horrifies them to the point that they need to outright call them demons in disguise and strip them of more and more of the freedoms and rights that Christians laud over for themselves.

Whatever pure and noble intentions Christianity may have once had, it's gone in this country. Their god and his son tell them to love one another, to show compassion, to not judge, and they twist those words into weapons of hate and bigotry, denouncing everyone who isn't them. Good has become evil, the god a devil, the worshipers cultists.

Christianity is old and broken. Either fix it or discard it, before it causes a disaster.
2012-05-26 03:38:00 AM
4 votes:

Homicider: As it turns out, you really CAN'T be a gigantic pain-in-the-ass douchebag, and then expect to get a free pass because the people you insulted "ought to be better than that."

Unless you Atheist types are suggesting that there's something "magical" about Christians that somehow removes their basic human motivations, such as "anger at people who act like assholes towards you", then I'd politely suggest that you have no room to whine about this. She caused problems at her workplace, and she wasn't invited back. End of story. Since all people are, in fact, pretty much the same regardless of the tribe they choose to affiliate themselves with, it seems like a pretty stupid idea to fark with the dominant tribe in your area, and then complain when they fark with you back.


She's an "asshole" because she is asserting her Constitutional rights? You know, for a theist, you don't seem to like turning the other cheek or loving your neighbor.
2012-05-26 03:12:22 AM
4 votes:

bestie1: gimmegimme: feckingmorons: A university didn't call an adjunct back, oh yes it must be because she is an atheist. There are certainly not 40 other people who could be adjunct instructors to take her place in a second.

Would you say the same about all of the religious crybabies who whine that they were fired because they want to teach creation as fact?


Citation?


They made a whole documentary about it:

upload.wikimedia.org

"Waaah...the college won't let me teach biology because all I told the students was that 'god did it.'"

"Waaaaah...my fellow professors don't like me because I siphon precious departmental resources to justify my belief in my childish fantasy."
2012-05-26 02:55:39 AM
4 votes:

Saturn5: What legal document spells out this "Separation of Church and State?"
All the 1st Amendment covers is laws passed by Congress.


To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.

tl;dr Get farked, you Unamerican Asshole.
2012-05-26 02:54:03 AM
4 votes:

Saturn5: "Separation of Church and State?"
All the 1st Amendment covers is laws passed by Congress.



Go read what the Founding Fathers actually wrote. Secondly, you would be OK with Islam being part of our government as it's predicted it'll be the majority religion in 50 years? Something tells me that you and all the other Christians pushing this crap will be arguing for seperation of church and state when that happens.
2012-05-25 11:19:27 PM
4 votes:
"Professor Bradford is stupid for debating over a cross. If she does not like it, she should get another job. That is good that she felt harassed [sic] after that email because that is the same way we as Christians felt. Welcome to our world. I feel bad for you Sissy Bradford."

Such Christian compassion.
2012-05-25 09:11:48 PM
4 votes:
A university didn't call an adjunct back, oh yes it must be because she is an atheist. There are certainly not 40 other people who could be adjunct instructors to take her place in a second.
2012-05-26 07:35:23 AM
3 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Religion scares atheists.


Mindless fanaticism scares rational people, yes.
2012-05-26 03:05:49 AM
3 votes:

PreMortem: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 512x288]

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

/wise man


Seven Deadly Sins
Wealth without work
Pleasure without conscience
Science without humanity
Knowledge without character
Politics without principle
Commerce without morality
Worship without sacrifice.
― Mahatma Gandhi
2012-05-26 02:50:32 AM
3 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It's not the crosses that bother the prof in the article. It was the meaning behind them.

Religion scares atheists. It reminds them of the God-shaped hole in their soul.


At first I immediately thought "trolling"...

Then I remembered I've actually heard RL Christians say things like that.... almost exactly to the letter.

Damn you, Poe's law.
2012-05-26 02:49:27 AM
3 votes:

Saturn5: What legal document spells out this "Separation of Church and State?"
All the 1st Amendment covers is laws passed by Congress.


Go join a militia, douchebag.
2012-05-26 02:41:16 AM
3 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It's not the crosses that bother the prof in the article. It was the meaning behind them.


Many lawsuits brought against state endorsements of religion are brought by Christians.
2012-05-26 02:35:36 AM
3 votes:
Is there any more vindictive and judgemental person than a "devout christian"?
2012-05-26 02:29:46 AM
3 votes:

MBK: Christians in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all. There should be a law that allows you to slap a person in the face if they say they are being persecuted, which in turn will mean they are being persecuted......If you want to be Christian and be persecuted, go to Iraq and practice Christianity



Very true. But interestingly the exact same thing could be said about atheists in America. Try going to Iraq and denouncing state related public religion. See? It's all relative. Amazing how your bitter statement about Christians applies exactly the same to poor persecuted atheists.

BTW - homosexuals in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all. Try going to Iraq and having a gay pride parade.

etc. etc. etc.

Essentially, what you are saying is that America is a very civil and tolerant nation, in a globally relative sense. And I agree with you.
2012-05-26 02:05:58 AM
3 votes:

RexTalionis: "Professor Bradford is stupid for debating over a cross. If she does not like it, she should get another job. That is good that she felt harassed [sic] after that email because that is the same way we as Christians felt. Welcome to our world. I feel bad for you Sissy Bradford."

Such Christian compassion.


If only the Romans had more lions........
2012-05-25 11:20:26 PM
3 votes:

RexTalionis: "Professor Bradford is stupid for debating over a cross. If she does not like it, she should get another job. That is good that she felt harassed [sic] after that email because that is the same way we as Christians felt. Welcome to our world. I feel bad for you Sissy Bradford."

Such Christian compassion.


Such persecution for one of the most powerful religions on the planet.
2012-05-25 10:53:02 PM
3 votes:

feckingmorons: A university didn't call an adjunct back, oh yes it must be because she is an atheist. There are certainly not 40 other people who could be adjunct instructors to take her place in a second.


Plus, the Texas legislature has been carving off huge chunks of the education fund lately.
2012-05-26 02:23:19 PM
2 votes:

destardi: Ok, the non-God fanatics are now officially as bad as the God fanatics.



Yeah, objecting to taxpayer-funded support of exclusive, sectarian communities is exactly as bad as threatening to kill someone. Both sides are the same.
2012-05-26 12:07:30 PM
2 votes:

Alleyoop: Well, OK, I see the problem. Just refund the public's money and put up whatever you like.


It was also going to be given to the university.

Frankly I think it's tacky to be putting torture devices for your savior all over everything.

If Jesus comes back yet again he is going to run like hell from people who still carry about the instrument of his murder.
2012-05-26 08:41:05 AM
2 votes:

Homicider: As it turns out, you really CAN'T be a gigantic pain-in-the-ass douchebag, and then expect to get a free pass because the people you insulted "ought to be better than that."

Unless you Atheist types are suggesting that there's something "magical" about Christians that somehow removes their basic human motivations, such as "anger at people who act like assholes towards you", then I'd politely suggest that you have no room to whine about this. She caused problems at her workplace, and she wasn't invited back. End of story. Since all people are, in fact, pretty much the same regardless of the tribe they choose to affiliate themselves with, it seems like a pretty stupid idea to fark with the dominant tribe in your area, and then complain when they fark with you back.


You know, you have hit a big part of mmy problem with peoople, and religious people tend to make it moew stark.

We have instincts. We like to pretend we are above them, but we are still very much animals very driven by patterns fromm before "civilization."

We do have the ability to overcome them, but not before we admit they are there.

If your faith is based on tolerance you can still get angry and tribal, but you should probably strive to get passed it and turn the other cheek or something.

We can be better, but we have to choose to be.
2012-05-26 05:23:50 AM
2 votes:

Nerdhurter: For the record, I'm not by definition a Christian, agnostic would be about right, I'm just constantly amazed by the vitriol and bitterness by what I'm sure is a minority of atheists. Ok fellas you've got it figured out, surely a highly evolved organism (or your spawn) can't be threatened by a cross on a university tower.


So you wouldn't mind if I had "There is no God" carved in granite over the gate of the college you just paid for with your tax money. And I bet you'll really love that "Glory be to Allah" on a dollar bill, too, Cu'z you Xtians are SO tolerant of other people's beliefs getting pushed on the public dime.
Hypocrites to the max.
2012-05-26 05:19:59 AM
2 votes:

Nerdhurter: For the record, I'm not by definition a Christian, agnostic would be about right, I'm just constantly amazed by the vitriol and bitterness by what I'm sure is a minority of atheists. Ok fellas you've got it figured out, surely a highly evolved organism (or your spawn) can't be threatened by a cross on a university tower.


I don't like people who try to use violence to get other people to be quiet. This is a bad habit that Christians have been displaying for about 1500 years or so. They need to stop insisting that everyone agree with them, and plasttering their shiat on public things they don't own. When they stop that shiat, i'll have no prob with 'em.
2012-05-26 05:16:12 AM
2 votes:

Nerdhurter: For the record, I'm not by definition a Christian, agnostic would be about right, I'm just constantly amazed by the vitriol and bitterness by what I'm sure is a minority of atheists. Ok fellas you've got it figured out, surely a highly evolved organism (or your spawn) can't be threatened by a cross on a university tower.


The wall between state and church is a fundamental tenet of our country. This separation protects believers and nonbelievers alike.
2012-05-26 05:12:45 AM
2 votes:
For the record, I'm not by definition a Christian, agnostic would be about right, I'm just constantly amazed by the vitriol and bitterness by what I'm sure is a minority of atheists. Ok fellas you've got it figured out, surely a highly evolved organism (or your spawn) can't be threatened by a cross on a university tower.
2012-05-26 04:58:38 AM
2 votes:

Nerdhurter: Dimensio: Nerdhurter: omeganuepsilon: PreMortem: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 512x288]

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

/wise racist

And administrator of douches to many a young girl.

/Thanks Bullshiat!
//Elvis didn' do no drugs.

ThrobblefootSpectre: It's all relative.

Yes it is.

Atheist Kicked from school board, Atheist Arrested SWAT style ...supposedly for the "fraud" of putting "Esq" after the name on paperwork, Displayed wishes for all non-believers to be incarcerated or "removed" ......a "blessing" on the roadways into the town All in the same town.

When was the last time things like that are done in the name of the town itself, to a christian just for being christian in the US?

Do you realize that you just linked to an atheist message board?

Are you able to demonstrate that the documented behaviour by Polk city officials did not actually occur?

omeganuepsilon: Nerdhurter: Do you realize that you just linked to an atheist message board?

Ad hominem.

Read and dispute the facts, IF you can.

Ok fellas next time a fire department passes over some minority candidates and a lawsuit is filed I'll just throw a link to stormfront up in here. I'm sure they'll have some juicy anecdotal nuggets.

/No I'm not equating you with skin heads
//You're much more smug


Why are you so threatened by people who don't believe in the same fairy tales as you do?
2012-05-26 04:55:46 AM
2 votes:
If you're an atheist and you live in Texas, it's best to keep your atheism secret for your own protection.
2012-05-26 04:02:27 AM
2 votes:
I wonder what th christians would say if someone started putting pentacles and images of the FSM up. atound school .I bet they'd be mad.
2012-05-26 03:33:07 AM
2 votes:

evil saltine: Mr. carrot: We're the crosses really hurting anyone? Seriously? If you're a practitioner of another faith, or agnostic, or atheist, does the decor really matter that much?

Replace "cross" with "swastika" and you have your answer.


Oh, I get it. Both are symbols that inspire knee-jerk hostility in ignorant morons who don't understand their actual history or significances.

lh6.ggpht.com

OMG! LOOK AT THAT NAZI BUDDAH!
2012-05-26 03:29:34 AM
2 votes:
As it turns out, you really CAN'T be a gigantic pain-in-the-ass douchebag, and then expect to get a free pass because the people you insulted "ought to be better than that."

Unless you Atheist types are suggesting that there's something "magical" about Christians that somehow removes their basic human motivations, such as "anger at people who act like assholes towards you", then I'd politely suggest that you have no room to whine about this. She caused problems at her workplace, and she wasn't invited back. End of story. Since all people are, in fact, pretty much the same regardless of the tribe they choose to affiliate themselves with, it seems like a pretty stupid idea to fark with the dominant tribe in your area, and then complain when they fark with you back.
2012-05-26 03:22:22 AM
2 votes:

gimmegimme: Sabyen91: bestie1: gimmegimme: feckingmorons: A university didn't call an adjunct back, oh yes it must be because she is an atheist. There are certainly not 40 other people who could be adjunct instructors to take her place in a second.

Would you say the same about all of the religious crybabies who whine that they were fired because they want to teach creation as fact?


Citation?

He isn't putting forward the idea it has happened. He is asking what you would say if it DID happen.

That's kinda what I'm asking. I don't think a teacher should be let go simply for their religious belief (or lack thereof). If that belief gets in the way of, you know, understanding and teaching the fundamental tenets of their field...yeah, it's a problem.


If a biology teacher doesn't believe in the basis of biology they should be fired. Unfortunately this is a "Christi...idiot country"
2012-05-26 03:19:10 AM
2 votes:

Sabyen91: bestie1: gimmegimme: feckingmorons: A university didn't call an adjunct back, oh yes it must be because she is an atheist. There are certainly not 40 other people who could be adjunct instructors to take her place in a second.

Would you say the same about all of the religious crybabies who whine that they were fired because they want to teach creation as fact?


Citation?

He isn't putting forward the idea it has happened. He is asking what you would say if it DID happen.


That's kinda what I'm asking. I don't think a teacher should be let go simply for their religious belief (or lack thereof). If that belief gets in the way of, you know, understanding and teaching the fundamental tenets of their field...yeah, it's a problem.
2012-05-26 02:49:55 AM
2 votes:

evil saltine: Mr. carrot: We're the crosses really hurting anyone? Seriously? If you're a practitioner of another faith, or agnostic, or atheist, does the decor really matter that much?

Replace "cross" with "swastika" and you have your answer.


cache.websetters.com.au
2012-05-26 02:48:42 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It's not the crosses that bother the prof in the article. It was the meaning behind them.

Religion scares atheists. It reminds them of the God-shaped hole in their soul.


I make God shaped cookies for Christmas. People have no idea what they are supposed to be.
2012-05-26 02:46:06 AM
2 votes:
I'm not in the mood to make a logical argument. I'm not in the mood to talk about the article. I'm not in a mood to sort out the good from the bad of any particular group. I'm half drunk and fully lazy, so I'll just say one thing, more out of compulsion than anything.

Christians suck.

Fin.

/except the ones who don't.... but the ones who don't are only cool because they don't believe in parts of the bible.... making them... not christians.... so nevermind, all actual christians suck
2012-05-26 02:42:34 AM
2 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: Very true. But interestingly the exact same thing could be said about atheists in America. Try going to Iraq and denouncing state related public religion. See? It's all relative. Amazing how your bitter statement about Christians applies exactly the same to poor persecuted atheists.


Well except there are a fair number of examples of actual persecution, such as this one. You'd have to look really hard to find examples of Christians here being persecuted even in a small way.

BTW - homosexuals in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all. Try going to Iraq and having a gay pride parade.

You could pick a ton of locations in America where, while short of what might happen in Iraq, doing that would lead to some very negative outcomes.

Essentially, what you are saying is that America is a very civil and tolerant nation, in a globally relative sense. And I agree with you.

I agree that that is what he was saying. Also, he was complaining about people who are angry that it is.
2012-05-26 02:29:18 AM
2 votes:
Reminds me of what happened at William and Mary with Gene Nichol and the Wren chapel cross. He put it away in storage, and the Board of Visitors (the regents) gave him the boot. Except being that this was Virginia and not Texas, the students responded by walking out of classes to protest the booting of the cross-remover.
2012-05-26 02:19:07 AM
2 votes:

Saturn5: What legal document spells out this "Separation of Church and State?"
All the 1st Amendment covers is laws passed by Congress.


It's called the establishment cause and has been clarified by SCOTUS that "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion." - David Souter writing for the majority.
2012-05-26 02:04:42 AM
2 votes:
It's not the crosses that bother the prof in the article. It was the meaning behind them.

Religion scares atheists. It reminds them of the God-shaped hole in their soul.
2012-05-26 02:03:01 AM
2 votes:

MBK: Christians in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all. There should be a law that allows you to slap a person in the face if they say they are being persecuted, which in turn will mean they are being persecuted.

If you want to be Christian and be persecuted, go to Iraq and practice Christianity. There seems to be a church bombing every month. That is real persecution. You are playing Russian Roulette with faith.


Here here! Well put!
2012-05-27 07:31:59 PM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: Homicider: Assuming we both know the difference, then I'd politely point you to the part of the article that says the building was on PRIVATE land.

Private land, built with public funds, that was donated to the public school.

The public funds, and the donation of the tower to the public school is the problem.

It's amazing you've gone for days missing this. You've got some reading comprehension issues.


If he acknowledged it, he'd have no trolling material.
2012-05-27 07:10:54 PM
1 votes:

Homicider: Assuming we both know the difference, then I'd politely point you to the part of the article that says the building was on PRIVATE land.


Private land, built with public funds, that was donated to the public school.

The public funds, and the donation of the tower to the public school is the problem.

It's amazing you've gone for days missing this. You've got some reading comprehension issues.
2012-05-27 06:12:57 PM
1 votes:

Homicider: FloydA: Homicider: FloydA: You, sir, are a liar. Nothing but a dishonest bigot.

...and you sir, are an idiot.

Yours is a troll account created a few days ago in the crazy lady addresses city council thread. Your act is neither creative nor funny. I don't know why I haven't plonked you before, but I'm rectifying that now.

Yes dumbass, me announcing that I was making the account and telling everyone what my original name was certainly makes this a "troll account". It's like you too a college course in stupid. But for the rest of you: Here's the entire sum of what the First Amendment says about religion: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" Perhaps one of you turbo geniuses could explain how you've extrapolated that to "you can't have decorative crosses on a building."


Because the cross is supportive of a specific religion, and the government funding it is easily construed as establishing one religion over others, or none. Not that hard.

If you want to God it up, go for it. Just don't use my tax dollars to do so. You already get enough of them by your church being tax exempt.
2012-05-27 05:41:47 PM
1 votes:

Homicider: FloydA: You, sir, are a liar. Nothing but a dishonest bigot.

...and you sir, are an idiot.


Yours is a troll account created a few days ago in the crazy lady addresses city council thread. Your act is neither creative nor funny. I don't know why I haven't plonked you before, but I'm rectifying that now.
2012-05-27 05:40:16 PM
1 votes:

Homicider: Keizer_Ghidorah: With PUBLIC money. I believe someone else pointed that out to you earlier in the thread.

Somebody did something with "public money" that you didn't like? How sad. Personally, I'd prefer it if public money weren't being used to kill women and children in the Middle East. I'd also prefer it if public money wasn't being used to build chemical and nuclear weapons. And I'd really prefer it if public money wasn't being used to house and provide security for a statue of Rush Limbaugh, as we saw in thread earlier this week. But yes,for fark's sake, I certainly acknowledge your right to be upset over some decorative metal crosses. That makes you a MUCH better person than the rest of us.


Calm down, child, your troll is showing. Last time I checked, we're dismantling our nukes, not building them. We're not making chemical weapons, unless you think pepper spray counts. We're not mindlessly slaughtering everyone we see in the Middle East. I will agree on the Rush statue, the hell is wrong with those people?

However, using public money to erect Christian symbols is against the separation of church and state, which states that we shall not put one religion over any other.
2012-05-27 04:31:11 PM
1 votes:

j0ndas: but stop trying to equate this to the thousands of death threats that anyone who says even the slightest thing bad about gays, feminists, etc. receives.


You, sir, are a liar. Nothing but a dishonest bigot.
2012-05-27 03:44:08 PM
1 votes:

Homicider: 0Icky0: I know you know the distinction between private and public. So why say something so ridiculous?

Assuming we both know the difference, then I'd politely point you to the part of the article that says the building was on PRIVATE land.

But I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why anyone cares.


With PUBLIC money. I believe someone else pointed that out to you earlier in the thread.
2012-05-27 11:46:37 AM
1 votes:

CultureVulture: ...Obammy Care


Thanks for letting me know that you will never say anything that is worthy of my attention.

[PLONK]
2012-05-27 08:54:51 AM
1 votes:

Homicider: I find it harder and harder to remember why I have you Favorited.


I'm guessing you find it harder and harder to remember a lot of things.


FTA: The tower was on private land, but it was built with city funds, featured the university seal and was on track to someday become the property of the public school.

Homicider: If you read the article, you'd see that the crosses were on PRIVATE farkING PROPERTY.


Speaking of people who didn't read the article...
2012-05-27 08:47:36 AM
1 votes:

ciberido: Try telling that to Matthew Shepard.


Or Marcus Bachmann. Just look at who society has forced him to marry to cover up his love of cock.
2012-05-27 08:45:44 AM
1 votes:

Homicider: Funny thing- we somehow managed to get along just fine for the past two or three centuries, and have even been seen as a bastion of religious tolerance and freedom, while simultaneously allowing Crosses to exist.


Right...because somebody wants to ban all crosses....
I know you know the distinction between private and public. So why say something so ridiculous?
2012-05-27 08:33:54 AM
1 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: homosexuals in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all. Try going to Iraq and having a gay pride parade..


Try telling that to Matthew Shepard.
2012-05-27 08:29:54 AM
1 votes:

Saturn5: What legal document spells out this "Separation of Church and State?"
All the 1st Amendment covers is laws passed by Congress.


Is it Poe's Law when he asks this question about a blog named "Wall of Separation" and that gives the actual quote and names the author, all in the letterhead?
2012-05-27 02:00:31 AM
1 votes:

CultureVulture: hitlersbrain

No ever 'forced' catholics or anyone else to provide abortions.
Stop listening to AM radio. It makes you full of shiat.

The link points to the lawsuit because of the Obammy Care mandate that ALL employers provide insurance that included birth control and abortions - ALL employers means private schools and charities such as those run by various religious groups including the Catholics who are steadfastly against these.
LinkCatholics sue over HHS Mandate.

From a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association - Jefferson first quotes the First Amendment, the adds; "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State." I had previously recalled it was a letter to his father. Not so.Further ,the First Amendment puts Restrictions only on the Government, not the People. The Warren Court re-interpreted the First Amendment thus putting the restrictions on the People. Today the government can stop you from Praying in school, reading the Bible in school, showing the Ten Commandments in school, or have religious displays at Christmas. This is quite different from the wall Jefferson envisioned, protecting the people from government interference with Religious practice.



Thanks for playing and showing how full of shiat (and misinformation) you are.

/Don't listen to AM radio
//No fan of Limbaugh, Beck, Schnitt, etc/
///More slashies say you are the idiot troll in this thread.


As soon as you go into business dealing with and hiring the general public, you provide the full medical coverage that everyone else does, regardless of your primitive backwards beliefs. It's none of your damn business what people do with their medication as long as it's not illegal, like making wacky drugs to sell to others. If that means you have to give women contraception and you think it's evil and icky, too bad, a lot of women use them for more than birth control. No one complains about men getting boner pills through insurance, why should we prevent women from getting medicine that does a lot more for them?

The health and well-being of others trumps righteous indignation over others not doing what you don't want them to.
2012-05-27 01:33:34 AM
1 votes:

CultureVulture: hitlersbrain

The link points to the lawsuit because of the Obammy Care mandate that ALL employers provide insurance that included birth control and abortions - ALL employers means private schools and charities such as those run by various religious groups including the Catholics who are steadfastly against these.
LinkCatholics sue over HHS Mandate.

From a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association - Jefferson first quotes the First Amendment, the adds; "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State." I had previously recalled it was a letter to his father. Not so.Further ,the First Amendment puts Restrictions only on the Government, not the People. The Warren Court re-interpreted the First Amendment thus putting the restrictions on the People. Today the government can stop you from Praying in school, reading the Bible in school, showing the Ten Commandments in school, or have religious displays at Christmas. This is quite different from the wall Jefferson envisioned, protecting the people from government interference with Religious practice.

Thanks for playing and showing how full of shiat (and misinformation) you are.


Allowing organizations to force their religious preferences on their employees is kinda immoral. Just, you know, FYI. Or do you think if an organization is Jehovah's Witness affiliated, they shouldn't be required to insure any blood transfusions? Or hell, how about Christian medicine followers that think prayer is all you need... they should be totally exempt from providing insurance, right?

Don't be farking stupid. The requirement is so that people are protected from religious institutions doing that kind of crap. Kinda exactly along the lines of separation of church and state. If all businesses must provide healthcare, they must do so in a secular manner.
2012-05-27 01:20:57 AM
1 votes:
Put up a cross and the atheists get mad at you. Put up a cross with a black Jesus hanging on it and white people get mad. Put up a cross with a transvestite hanging on it and Christians get mad at you. (Or if you put up a Crescent and Star or a Star of David, American Christians really aren't very tolerant of other people's religious symbols, at least not the American Christians who tend to support crosses on public land.

If you put it on public land it's clearly endorsing one religious interpretation or another. Congratulations, you've just violated the Constitution.

The Bill of Rights is a much better set of 10 rules than the 10 Commandments. Seriously, I give the Bill of Rights 9/10 (10 out of 10 if you interpret number two in a rational way). 10 Commandments? 4.5 out of 10. Lousy document.
2012-05-27 12:06:02 AM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: UHC2005: "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you." John 15:12

Hey you fundie asshats: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!

According to Fundies, God doesn't love. He seethes and rages and looks for any excuse to toss you into the lake of fire. They're following the example of their vision of God.


If that's their God, both they and he can get farked.

Granted, these are the same assholes that cherry pick laws out of Leviticus to suit their needs, so I shouldn't be surprised.
2012-05-26 11:22:20 PM
1 votes:
Ah good old Christian love. I find it so ironic when Christians trot out the whole "Religion of Peace" line sarcastically like they are any better.
2012-05-26 10:08:44 PM
1 votes:

CultureVulture: The US Constitution does not mandate separation of Church and State. What that does is to stop formation of an official state religion, ala Church Of England. The separation doctrine is taken from misapplying a letter from Thomas Jefferson to his father.

The Constitution also stops the State from interfering with the private citizens practice of their religion. Hence the lawsuit by some religions and the Roman Catholics in particular to stop being forced to provide abortions against their conscience and teachings.


The exact word 'separation of church and state' do not appear in the constitution but the idea is very clearly implied.

No ever 'forced' catholics or anyone else to provide abortions.

Stop listening to AM radio. It makes you full of shiat.
2012-05-26 07:05:05 PM
1 votes:

Homicider: As it turns out, you really CAN'T be a gigantic pain-in-the-ass douchebag, and then expect to get a free pass because the people you insulted "ought to be better than that."

Unless you Atheist types are suggesting that there's something "magical" about Christians that somehow removes their basic human motivations, such as "anger at people who act like assholes towards you", then I'd politely suggest that you have no room to whine about this. She caused problems at her workplace, and she wasn't invited back. End of story. Since all people are, in fact, pretty much the same regardless of the tribe they choose to affiliate themselves with, it seems like a pretty stupid idea to fark with the dominant tribe in your area, and then complain when they fark with you back.


Except that now she has a very valid lawsuit, and I hope she destroys her former employer utterly.

When you're a state sponsored institution, it's pretty stupid to fire someone who has a beef like that. It's actionable, and you WILL get your ass handed to you.
2012-05-26 06:48:09 PM
1 votes:

CultureVulture: The US Constitution does not mandate separation of Church and State. What that does is to stop formation of an official state religion, ala Church Of England. The separation doctrine is taken from misapplying a letter from Thomas Jefferson to his father.

The Constitution also stops the State from interfering with the private citizens practice of their religion. Hence the lawsuit by some religions and the Roman Catholics in particular to stop being forced to provide abortions against their conscience and teachings.


So, instead of just removing the crosses, they would need to add every religious symbol for every religion being practiced in existence today? Otherwise how would they disprove the preference of Christianity over the others?

Sounds to me that's not very practical.
2012-05-26 05:46:51 PM
1 votes:

destardi: Ok, the non-God fanatics are now officially as bad as the God fanatics.

Here's a good rule of thumb for not causing UNNECESSARY STRESS AND DEBATING between these 2 zealot groups:

Anything that has been in place for 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years related to Christianity or any religion, LEAVE IT ALONE. Fight for separation of church and state GOING FORWARD.

My God. literally.


Guess how I know that you didn't read the article.
2012-05-26 02:55:31 PM
1 votes:
I think the calling for people's heads on either side is a little extreme.

The land was donated, and the tower built as a reconstruction of Spanish missions using public funds. The property belonged to the school before construction started.

Then people freaked out about the Spanish on the tower and it was removed. Now people are freaking out about the crosses.

I think it was a pretty stupid idea to construct a building based on a mission and adding those particular details in this EVERYTHING FOR A CAUSE, AND A CAUSE FOR EVERYTHING environment. The crosses should never have been there as it was built with taxpayer money for a public institution. The basic architecture of the tower was enough to evoke the feel they were going for. I don't think they were trying to promote Christianity, I think they thought "Oh, Spanish Mission, we should have Spanish Missiony details!"

I think the reactions of some of these so-called Christians against the woman who pointed them out is worse. By a mile. It wasn't just nasty emails. It was people walking up to her and telling her she should be beaten.

Is this really how people think they should defend the cross? And do they really think that the cross needs defending in this situation?

I don't understand, and it makes me sad.
2012-05-26 12:45:43 PM
1 votes:

Homicider: As it turns out, you really CAN'T be a gigantic pain-in-the-ass douchebag, and then expect to get a free pass because the people you insulted "ought to be better than that."

Unless you Atheist types are suggesting that there's something "magical" about Christians that somehow removes their basic human motivations, such as "anger at people who act like assholes towards you", then I'd politely suggest that you have no room to whine about this. She caused problems at her workplace, and she wasn't invited back. End of story. Since all people are, in fact, pretty much the same regardless of the tribe they choose to affiliate themselves with, it seems like a pretty stupid idea to fark with the dominant tribe in your area, and then complain when they fark with you back.


The asshole move was to put giant crosses on a building with public money. The people responsible for that should have been fired.

gretachristina.typepad.com
2012-05-26 12:41:04 PM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: A flouted and ignored authoritarian parent whipping off it's belt about to put some "fear" into it's kids is not quite the concept most people have of "fear".


You've never lived with a Catholic, have you.

/God loves a good beating.
2012-05-26 11:47:19 AM
1 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: MBK: Christians in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all. There should be a law that allows you to slap a person in the face if they say they are being persecuted, which in turn will mean they are being persecuted......If you want to be Christian and be persecuted, go to Iraq and practice Christianity


Very true. But interestingly the exact same thing could be said about atheists in America. Try going to Iraq and denouncing state related public religion. See? It's all relative. Amazing how your bitter statement about Christians applies exactly the same to poor persecuted atheists.

BTW - homosexuals in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all. Try going to Iraq and having a gay pride parade.

etc. etc. etc.

Essentially, what you are saying is that America is a very civil and tolerant nation, in a globally relative sense. And I agree with you.


Except that every year in the US, homosexuals are beaten and sometimes killed, just because of their sexual preference. I can't think of any news stories that I've read where it's even implied that someone was beaten or killed for being a Christian in the US.
2012-05-26 11:33:17 AM
1 votes:
Middle East War #36 was also started by Christians. Lets not forget this.

"We will be met as liberators."
2012-05-26 11:32:13 AM
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I'm a big supporter of the separation of church and state, but even I have to say this is a stupid fight to pick, especially for an adjunct in this market. They have the option of not re-upping your contract and going with one of many, many other people who won't give them headaches about some stupid cross. Caps, gowns, stoles, etc. are all borrowed from religious garb. I'm sure there are bigger violations of the church sticking its nose into education in friggin TEXAS than this.


And this justifies death threats?

I think the reaction from the loving Christian community more then justifies her actions. She asked to have a religious symbol removed, they threatened to kill her. The terrorists we are killing in middle east war #36 would do the exact same thing as these Christians.
2012-05-26 10:51:08 AM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: A university didn't call an adjunct back, oh yes it must be because she is an atheist. There are certainly not 40 other people who could be adjunct instructors to take her place in a second.


Given the other things that happened there's little doubt religion played a part in the decision.
2012-05-26 10:14:47 AM
1 votes:

grokca: More importantly, my soul is bigger than god, I win.


Have you ever read the bible? It wouldn't be hard. God is a bigger asshole then Satan. "Hey angels! watch this! I'm gonna make this poor mortal farker kill his own kid just to see if he'll do it! AAHAHAHAA HE's really doing it! What a dumbass! OH shiat! he's really doing it! stop stop stop!!!!! It was just a joke bro. I wasn't going to send you to burn in eternal hellfire."
2012-05-26 10:10:45 AM
1 votes:

Edwardo17: AverageAmericanGuy: It's not the crosses that bother the prof in the article. It was the meaning behind them.

Religion scares atheists. It reminds them of the God-shaped hole in their soul.

hahahaha lol good one! That's totally it!

PS: What shape is God?


More importantly, my soul is bigger than god, I win.
2012-05-26 10:10:19 AM
1 votes:
FTFA:

To take up the slack, students loyal to Bradford began escorting her to her car, according to the news report. But soon even Bradford's supporters came under fire from cross defenders. When Kirsten Verdi, who has since graduated from Texas A&M-San Antonio, defended Bradford in class, another student told her, "You need to be beaten," according to the Current.




So, if Ms Verdi were to respond with something like, "Yeah? You wanna try that?" guess who'd get arrested for threatening assault.
2012-05-26 10:05:12 AM
1 votes:
Ok, the non-God fanatics are now officially as bad as the God fanatics.

Here's a good rule of thumb for not causing UNNECESSARY STRESS AND DEBATING between these 2 zealot groups:

Anything that has been in place for 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years related to Christianity or any religion, LEAVE IT ALONE. Fight for separation of church and state GOING FORWARD.

My God. literally.
2012-05-26 08:16:01 AM
1 votes:
After actually looking at the crosses in question, I can say I think the whole display should be removed from the tower. Holy crap is that kitschy. It looks like something they'd put on a Holiday Inn.

ww3.hdnux.com

Link
2012-05-26 08:09:04 AM
1 votes:

lawboy87: MBK: Christians in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all. There should be a law that allows you to slap a person in the face if they say they are being persecuted, which in turn will mean they are being persecuted......If you want to be Christian and be persecuted, go to Iraq and practice Christianity


ThrobblefootSpectre Very true. But interestingly the exact same thing could be said about atheists in America. Try going to Iraq and denouncing state related public religion. See? It's all relative. Amazing how your bitter statement about Christians applies exactly the same to poor persecuted atheists.

BTW - homosexuals in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all. Try going to Iraq and having a gay pride parade.

Huh?

Are you really so ignorant that you do not know that there are still a ton of laws on the books (particularly at a state level) which allows for discrimination against gays? It wasn't that long ago that in my state of origin (OK) that it was a firing "offense" for any state employee to admit to being homosexual. In fact while I was in college, there were several professors fired for being gay, including a couple with tenure. Those firings were upheld by state courts and were perceived as completely justifiable under the law of the state.

Now, are the penalties or levels of likely persecution greater in some bassakwards place like Iraq/Iran? Sure, but let's not act like everything is all hunky-dory for gays in the good ol' US of A either. And let's certainly not equate "legal", state supported discrimination against gays with the supposed discrimination/persecution claimed by many Christians. I am unaware of a single law on the books that makes it legal to discriminate against Christians, but there are still many out there which make it quite legal to persecute someone on the basis of their sexual orientation.


As I recall, there are still several state Constitutions which prohibit atheists from taking state office.
2012-05-26 07:39:51 AM
1 votes:

AbbeySomeone: I'm, wondering what she expected the outcome to be on this issue? Hmm, she's in the bible belt and takes it upon herself to offend the local people. She should be fired just for having such poor judgment.


She stood up for her principles, even though it was unpopular. I'm sure Abbey S. wouldn't do that.
2012-05-26 07:34:31 AM
1 votes:
I'm, wondering what she expected the outcome to be on this issue? Hmm, she's in the bible belt and takes it upon herself to offend the local people. She should be fired just for having such poor judgment.
2012-05-26 07:26:14 AM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: A university didn't call an adjunct back, oh yes it must be because she is an atheist. There are certainly not 40 other people who could be adjunct instructors to take her place in a second.


Much as my outrage muscle could use a workout, more or less this. They're likely looking to not renew a number of positions, and they decided this was a good pick because she was starting shiat with the locals, not because she was starting shiat with the locals over religion specifically.

puffy999: A religious symbol used for thousands of years (by an incredible number of cultures, many of which independently created their own version of a swastika) does not disappear because of a bastardized use by an evil empire.


Historically, frequently the exact opposite of what you're saying is true. More local and more recent associations tend to win out over older and more global associations. I wouldn't say the older forms have "disappeared" as such, but it's a completely valid assumption that a swastika in a western context (basically anywhere that speaks mostly a Latin or Germanic derivative language) refers to murdering Jews, crippled people, and nomads. When you go off on a "nuh, uh, you can't just assume" rant about it it's you that's sort of missing how cultures work. We're in an english-speaking forum, so Naziism it is.
2012-05-26 07:21:35 AM
1 votes:

Psychomancer: Sorry professor, you lose. Protection is for church from the state, not the other way around. Like most folks, this person wasn't educated enough and made a bad assumption based off of popular belief. Religion is culture. Culture is life. Get over it. Move along.


Oh, that is RICH! Quick, tell us another one! I bet you are absolutely full of great jokes like that one!
2012-05-26 06:39:40 AM
1 votes:

Homicider: evil saltine: Mr. carrot: We're the crosses really hurting anyone? Seriously? If you're a practitioner of another faith, or agnostic, or atheist, does the decor really matter that much?

Replace "cross" with "swastika" and you have your answer.

Oh, I get it. Both are symbols that inspire knee-jerk hostility in ignorant morons who don't understand their actual history or significances.

[lh6.ggpht.com image 249x311]

OMG! LOOK AT THAT NAZI BUDDAH!


When you murder ~10million people in cold-blood, plus start what was the most destructive war in world history, the symbols you choose to represent your movement are naturally going to have their meaning changed for many people. The swastika was a religious symbol for thousands of years before WWII, but the crimes committed by those wearing it over-shadow that meaning not because of ignorance, but because of their sheer, inconceivably enormity.
2012-05-26 06:36:43 AM
1 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: what you are saying is that America is a very civil and tolerant nation, in a globally relative sense.


If you are in the privileged majority, sure. It helps even more if your privilege helps sustain your deep denial.
2012-05-26 06:32:18 AM
1 votes:
Let me leave this here, from the 9th chapter of Luke:

46 An argument started among the disciples as to which of them would be the greatest. 47 Jesus, knowing their thoughts, took a little child and had him stand beside him. 48 Then he said to them, "Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For it is the one who is least among you all who is the greatest."

49 "Master," said John, "we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us."

50 "Do not stop him," Jesus said, "for whoever is not against you is for you."
2012-05-26 06:27:08 AM
1 votes:
This makes me want to put up some nice pentacles on my home, as well as some hidden cameras, so I can record the people who attempt to deface my property afterwards. I'm sure I'll be able to start a whole Youtube channel about it, featuring all the good, God-fearing people who will throw eggs at the house, paint crosses on my car, etc.

Seen this before when my old Priestess' house got vandalized multiple times. Cops never did anything about it, but did raid one of our ceremonies once. Claimed they had a report we were sacrificing babies... although they never could produce a search warrant or other proof they were on an official call at all.

That said, I don't feel persecuted as a pagan in America. I just find Christian hypocrisy sickening.
2012-05-26 06:25:39 AM
1 votes:

Mr. carrot: Lot's of stupid to go around.

We're the crosses really hurting anyone? Seriously? If you're a practitioner of another faith, or agnostic, or atheist, does the decor really matter that much?

Otoh, do the crosses have to be there? Is your faith so fragile that you need constant reminders of it plastered everywhere? That someone else should have a different opinion than you is so scary, perhaps you should find a religion that puts you more at ease.

These people need to farking relax, the lot of 'em.


It isn't that there's a constant reminder of the faith sitting there; it's that taxpayer money was being used to build it. If the government spends money to build a monument prominently featuring a religion's symbol, then government is necessarily endorsing that religion.
2012-05-26 06:21:41 AM
1 votes:
MBK: Christians in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all. There should be a law that allows you to slap a person in the face if they say they are being persecuted, which in turn will mean they are being persecuted......If you want to be Christian and be persecuted, go to Iraq and practice Christianity


ThrobblefootSpectre Very true. But interestingly the exact same thing could be said about atheists in America. Try going to Iraq and denouncing state related public religion. See? It's all relative. Amazing how your bitter statement about Christians applies exactly the same to poor persecuted atheists.

BTW - homosexuals in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all. Try going to Iraq and having a gay pride parade.


Huh?

Are you really so ignorant that you do not know that there are still a ton of laws on the books (particularly at a state level) which allows for discrimination against gays? It wasn't that long ago that in my state of origin (OK) that it was a firing "offense" for any state employee to admit to being homosexual. In fact while I was in college, there were several professors fired for being gay, including a couple with tenure. Those firings were upheld by state courts and were perceived as completely justifiable under the law of the state.

Now, are the penalties or levels of likely persecution greater in some bassakwards place like Iraq/Iran? Sure, but let's not act like everything is all hunky-dory for gays in the good ol' US of A either. And let's certainly not equate "legal", state supported discrimination against gays with the supposed discrimination/persecution claimed by many Christians. I am unaware of a single law on the books that makes it legal to discriminate against Christians, but there are still many out there which make it quite legal to persecute someone on the basis of their sexual orientation.
2012-05-26 06:18:51 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It's not the crosses that bother the prof in the article. It was the meaning behind them.

Religion scares atheists. It reminds them of the God-shaped hole in their soul.


No, just how state-backed religion gave us such wonderful things as tying people up in bags and throwing them in Alpine lakes for being Catholic, or cooking Protestants alive on spits and feeding their corpses to dogs in front of their family members. That you can call yourself AverageAmericanGuy and not understand the horror of official religion shows that you're pretty damn ignorant of your own family history. People don't run to the other side of the planet because where they lived was pleasant.
2012-05-26 06:16:12 AM
1 votes:

Mr. carrot: Lot's of stupid to go around.

We're the crosses really hurting anyone? Seriously? If you're a practitioner of another faith, or agnostic, or atheist, does the decor really matter that much?


No reason not to stick one of these up then eh?
2.bp.blogspot.com
I'm certain nobody would object.
2012-05-26 05:52:53 AM
1 votes:
Kudos to the students who were willing to protect her when the campus cops wouldn't.
2012-05-26 05:43:28 AM
1 votes:

deadcrickets: Saturn5: "Separation of Church and State?"
All the 1st Amendment covers is laws passed by Congress.


Go read what the Founding Fathers actually wrote. Secondly, you would be OK with Islam being part of our government as it's predicted it'll be the majority religion in 50 years? Something tells me that you and all the other Christians pushing this crap will be arguing for seperation of church and state when that happens.


Christians should be thanking God everytime an atheist does something like this because it strengthens the seperation of church and state in this country and guarantees Christians the freedom to practice their religion if the majority of the population every shifts to a different religion.
2012-05-26 05:31:04 AM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: Nerdhurter: For the record, I'm not by definition a Christian, agnostic would be about right, I'm just constantly amazed by the vitriol and bitterness by what I'm sure is a minority of atheists. Ok fellas you've got it figured out, surely a highly evolved organism (or your spawn) can't be threatened by a cross on a university tower.

The wall between state and church is a fundamental tenet of our country. This separation protects believers and nonbelievers alike.


That's it, valid point, and without the sky wizard foolishness that's all I ask. Thank you Sir/Ma'm
2012-05-26 05:15:13 AM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: Nerdhurter: Dimensio: Nerdhurter: omeganuepsilon: PreMortem: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 512x288]

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

/wise racist

And administrator of douches to many a young girl.

/Thanks Bullshiat!
//Elvis didn' do no drugs.

ThrobblefootSpectre: It's all relative.

Yes it is.

Atheist Kicked from school board, Atheist Arrested SWAT style ...supposedly for the "fraud" of putting "Esq" after the name on paperwork, Displayed wishes for all non-believers to be incarcerated or "removed" ......a "blessing" on the roadways into the town All in the same town.

When was the last time things like that are done in the name of the town itself, to a christian just for being christian in the US?

Do you realize that you just linked to an atheist message board?

Are you able to demonstrate that the documented behaviour by Polk city officials did not actually occur?

omeganuepsilon: Nerdhurter: Do you realize that you just linked to an atheist message board?

Ad hominem.

Read and dispute the facts, IF you can.

Ok fellas next time a fire department passes over some minority candidates and a lawsuit is filed I'll just throw a link to stormfront up in here. I'm sure they'll have some juicy anecdotal nuggets.

/No I'm not equating you with skin heads
//You're much more smug

Why are you so threatened by people who don't believe in the same fairy tales as you do?


Because their silly lie requires consensus. If any of us question, or are allowed to question, their fairey stories, it imterferes with their brainwashing their own kids. This is why they have always enforced their "Christian" faith with fire and murder and torture, and still will if we don't physically stop them from doing it.
I'll give the fundy-ass cocksuckers credit for one thing - they
won the gun control debate with this liberal. I will NEVER give up my guns as long as these looney, murderous, perverted bullies stalk the world.
2012-05-26 05:14:35 AM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: Don't people have real issues to worry about?


For many Christians, their faith and their need to spread it everywhere IS the real issue. Nothing else matters but being butt-buddies with God and bagging as many saved souls as possible. Say the slightest thing negative about them and the cries of "PERSECUTION!! DOWNTRODDEN!! EVIL!!" ring echo off the sides of mountains.

We joke about people wanting to watch the world burn. These people are convinced that their God will burn the world and everyone who isn't them for eternity, and they're gnashing at the bit for it to happen. Purge the evil ones and leave paradise for them.

Makes you just shiver and squee from the amount of love and compassion, doesn't it.
2012-05-26 05:09:30 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It's not the crosses that bother the prof in the article. It was the meaning behind them.

Religion scares atheists. It reminds them of the God-shaped hole in their soul.


Saturn5: What legal document spells out this "Separation of Church and State?"
All the 1st Amendment covers is laws passed by Congress.


BrassArt: PreMortem: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 512x288]

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

/wise man

//liked sleeping naked with young girls, some of whom were relatives
//what an authority


red5ish: Bless their hearts.

May they be touched by his noodly appendage.


feckingmorons: A university didn't call an adjunct back, oh yes it must be because she is an atheist. There are certainly not 40 other people who could be adjunct instructors to take her place in a second.


fark you, fark you, fark you, you're cool, and fark you, I'm out!
2012-05-26 05:04:29 AM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: A university didn't call an adjunct back, oh yes it must be because she is an atheist. There are certainly not 40 other people who could be adjunct instructors to take her place in a second.


It's only a holding action, anyway. You and your kind are losing, and that's why you are so angry. Sweet is the taste of right-wing fundy asshole tears.
2012-05-26 04:55:38 AM
1 votes:

Dimensio: Nerdhurter: omeganuepsilon: PreMortem: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 512x288]

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

/wise racist

And administrator of douches to many a young girl.

/Thanks Bullshiat!
//Elvis didn' do no drugs.

ThrobblefootSpectre: It's all relative.

Yes it is.

Atheist Kicked from school board, Atheist Arrested SWAT style ...supposedly for the "fraud" of putting "Esq" after the name on paperwork, Displayed wishes for all non-believers to be incarcerated or "removed" ......a "blessing" on the roadways into the town All in the same town.

When was the last time things like that are done in the name of the town itself, to a christian just for being christian in the US?

Do you realize that you just linked to an atheist message board?

Are you able to demonstrate that the documented behaviour by Polk city officials did not actually occur?


omeganuepsilon: Nerdhurter: Do you realize that you just linked to an atheist message board?

Ad hominem.

Read and dispute the facts, IF you can.


Ok fellas next time a fire department passes over some minority candidates and a lawsuit is filed I'll just throw a link to stormfront up in here. I'm sure they'll have some juicy anecdotal nuggets.

/No I'm not equating you with skin heads
//You're much more smug
2012-05-26 04:32:34 AM
1 votes:

Homicider: As it turns out, you really CAN'T be a gigantic pain-in-the-ass douchebag, and then expect to get a free pass because the people you insulted "ought to be better than that."

Unless you Atheist types are suggesting that there's something "magical" about Christians that somehow removes their basic human motivations, such as "anger at people who act like assholes towards you", then I'd politely suggest that you have no room to whine about this. She caused problems at her workplace, and she wasn't invited back. End of story. Since all people are, in fact, pretty much the same regardless of the tribe they choose to affiliate themselves with, it seems like a pretty stupid idea to fark with the dominant tribe in your area, and then complain when they fark with you back.


You are correct. Tribalism justifies Unconstitutional and illegal behaviour by Christians.
2012-05-26 03:09:58 AM
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: Nerdhurter: Silly Jesus: Nerdhurter: TheBlackFlag: Is there any more vindictive and judgemental person than a "devout christian"?

Well they're running a distant second in the heads chopped/stoned to death/hanging category but they're first in puke ass 1st world internet nerd rage causation.

Second to who? Commies?

Muslims you fool if we're talking about current events, if you want to go back 60 years, yeah commies, if you want to go back 1000 years well, you're not worth arguing with. (are we arguing in two threads?)

I was unaware of the historical timeline limitations that had been imposed on our conversation.


My man, everyone was was cold blooded a thousand years ago, people getting murdered and sacrificed left and right, life expectancy was shiat, life was cheap.
2012-05-26 03:07:23 AM
1 votes:

Coelacanth: PreMortem: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 512x288]

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

/wise man

Seven Deadly Sins
Wealth without work
Pleasure without conscience
Science without humanity
Knowledge without character
Politics without principle
Commerce without morality
Worship without sacrifice.
― Mahatma Gandhi


Romney is farked.
2012-05-26 03:06:17 AM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: A university didn't call an adjunct back, oh yes it must be because she is an atheist. There are certainly not 40 other people who could be adjunct instructors to take her place in a second.


Would you say the same about all of the religious crybabies who whine that they were fired because they want to teach creation as fact?
2012-05-26 02:55:46 AM
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: Nerdhurter: TheBlackFlag: Is there any more vindictive and judgemental person than a "devout christian"?

Well they're running a distant second in the heads chopped/stoned to death/hanging category but they're first in puke ass 1st world internet nerd rage causation.

Second to who? Commies?


Muslims you fool if we're talking about current events, if you want to go back 60 years, yeah commies, if you want to go back 1000 years well, you're not worth arguing with. (are we arguing in two threads?)
2012-05-26 02:48:11 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It's not the crosses that bother the prof in the article. It was the meaning behind them.

Religion scares atheists. It reminds them of the God-shaped hole in their soul.


That'd be worth a 3/10 if I thought souls actually existed. As it is, you get a 1/10 for the hydrocephalic dipshiat that takes you seriously.
2012-05-26 02:47:42 AM
1 votes:

Mr. carrot: We're the crosses really hurting anyone? Seriously? If you're a practitioner of another faith, or agnostic, or atheist, does the decor really matter that much?


Replace "cross" with "swastika" and you have your answer.
2012-05-26 02:39:19 AM
1 votes:

Mr.Tangent: As an athiest I'll say this, everyone in this story is a loser. The professor for getting her panties in a bunch over a couple of crosses that aren't hurting her, the "Good Christians" for threatening her, and the school for firing her.


Based on what we read from the the article, we have no idea why she was "fired".
I suspect that lots of other adjunct professors were similarly "fired" by that school recently.
2012-05-26 02:37:05 AM
1 votes:
Bless their hearts.

May they be touched by his noodly appendage.
2012-05-26 02:30:11 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It's not the crosses that bother the prof in the article. It was the meaning behind them.

Religion scares atheists. It reminds them of the God-shaped hole in their soul.


0/10
2012-05-26 02:28:38 AM
1 votes:
Lot's of stupid to go around.

We're the crosses really hurting anyone? Seriously? If you're a practitioner of another faith, or agnostic, or atheist, does the decor really matter that much?

Otoh, do the crosses have to be there? Is your faith so fragile that you need constant reminders of it plastered everywhere? That someone else should have a different opinion than you is so scary, perhaps you should find a religion that puts you more at ease.

These people need to farking relax, the lot of 'em.
2012-05-26 02:23:13 AM
1 votes:
api.ning.com
2012-05-26 02:21:47 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It's not the crosses that bother the prof in the article. It was the meaning behind them.

Religion scares atheists. It reminds them of the God-shaped hole in their soul.


hahahaha lol good one! That's totally it!

PS: What shape is God?
2012-05-26 02:20:28 AM
1 votes:

Saturn5: What legal document spells out this "Separation of Church and State?"
All the 1st Amendment covers is laws passed by Congress.


Since this is a state university then the erection of religious symbols is the same as government endorsement of religion. Hence, the 1st applies as Congress cannot pass any law to allow those symbols of endorsement to be posted.
2012-05-26 02:07:42 AM
1 votes:
What legal document spells out this "Separation of Church and State?"
All the 1st Amendment covers is laws passed by Congress.
2012-05-26 12:36:49 AM
1 votes:

Chariset: doglover: feckingmorons: A university didn't call an adjunct back, oh yes it must be because she is an atheist. There are certainly not 40 other people who could be adjunct instructors to take her place in a second.

41

I'll replace her!

42.

/jobless and bitter

I wish people would stop saying "Oh, people sent her nasty emails so she must have been harassed." People send nasty emails at the drop of a hat.


Dear chariset­[nospam-﹫-backwards]lia­me­*com,

Why'd you drop that hat? You sound like you still drink that fruit punch that comes in a can and you have to poke two holes in it. I bet your couch is the wrong kind of plaid, etc. Why don't you get a monkey and make it hate you. The internet thinks you smell, and i'm on it (the internet).

Sincerely,

Angry ANGRY angry duck.
2012-05-25 11:42:26 PM
1 votes:
lh6.googleusercontent.com

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

/wise man
2012-05-25 11:26:40 PM
1 votes:

MBK: Christians in America have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to be persecuted. None. At all.

 
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