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(io9)   At last, something to look forward to: If you are elderly and poor, prison is a better alternative than a retirement home   (io9.com) divider line 110
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2012-05-25 08:46:49 PM
this is a very sad commentary on where our country has ended up...
 
2012-05-25 10:13:14 PM
And compassionate conservatives want more people in prisons.
 
2012-05-25 10:17:41 PM
make the prisons worse?

or could there be another option?
 
2012-05-25 10:19:20 PM
"Quality of life within retirement and assisted living homes varies dramatically from facility to facility and experience to experience."
 
2012-05-25 10:21:17 PM
21-7-b: "Quality of life within retirement and assisted living homes varies dramatically from facility to facility and experience to experience."

And usually the amount of money you have determines that experience. You got several thou a month, you get a great experience, just got ss not so much.
 
2012-05-25 10:22:42 PM
This is true for a lot of people in our society. Mentally ill often can only receive proper treatment and housing in jails or prisons.

It's sick and a sad indictment of our society.
 
2012-05-25 10:22:59 PM
I demand we spend more money on caring for the old... and the middle aged.. and the young. In fact, let's give everyone everything. I think that's worked out pretty well in the countries that have tried it.
 
2012-05-25 10:23:17 PM
Old people don't need companionship. They need to be isolated and studied so that it can be determined what nutrients they have that might be extracted for our personal use.
 
2012-05-25 10:24:53 PM
Watch your cornhole, Grandma.
 
2012-05-25 10:27:19 PM
BROOKS WAS HERE
 
2012-05-25 10:27:30 PM
bhcompy: I demand we spend more money on caring for the old... and the middle aged.. and the young. In fact, let's give everyone everything. I think that's worked out pretty well in the countries that have tried it.

I know you are being facetious out of ignorance, but there are myriad other countries that are doing far better than we are fiscally, and which hand out far greater social benefits. Canada, Germany, Switzerland, etc.
 
2012-05-25 10:30:54 PM
Sweet.

I'll assassinate a banker when I get old and score a free retirement and health care plan, killing two birds with one stone.
 
2012-05-25 10:31:28 PM
Also a fairly decent way to get an education if you're not in for a felony.
 
2012-05-25 10:32:42 PM
12349876

And usually the amount of money you have determines that experience. You got several thou a month, you get a great experience, just got ss not so much.

yes and no, i would argue. we need to address the fact that the elderly are not internet proficient in the way the young are, i mean yeah, sure, you've got your silver surfers we're always hearing about, but they seem to distract from the basic fact.

if we take as a given that the internet is the tool to increase transparency and accountability and thus drive competition, the inability of the elderly to use it leaves a gaping hole.
 
2012-05-25 10:34:29 PM
The mention in the article retirement costing several k a month. I was thinking of retiring in a country with a lower cost of living(no where near that age but it is good to look into options while young.) Anyone happen to have some advice on that score?
 
2012-05-25 10:35:07 PM
gadian: Also a fairly decent way to get an education if you're not in for a felony.

Everybody in prison is there for a felony.
 
2012-05-25 10:39:15 PM
Fark both options. When the time comes I'll go out in a blaze of glory - packing my Buick with explosives, turning on the left turn signal, and heading for the nearest farmer's market.
 
2012-05-25 10:40:28 PM
Some old dude offered to give me 12 packs of Ramen noodles, to shank him, last time I was in the joint.
Farking mushroom flavor.
I boned him up the ass in the shower, for not showing proper respect, then called in some favors to make sure he lived another 20 years.
 
2012-05-25 10:41:34 PM
I was in a nursing home for 3 months recovering from a torn-apart knee and IV antibiotics every 4 hours.

One of the nursing assistants that was helping me got transferred to the alzheimer's ward.

I saw her 2 weeks after she was transferred. She looked haunted.

I'll take prison, thanks.
 
2012-05-25 10:44:06 PM
natmar_76: This is true for a lot of people in our society. Mentally ill often can only receive proper treatment and housing in jails or prisons.

It's sick and a sad indictment of our society.


I agree. they should just be put down. Works out better for everyone.
 
2012-05-25 10:49:33 PM
We just put my wife's grandmother in a retirement home today. If that's the road I'm headed down when I get older, I will kill every last farking one of you.
 
2012-05-25 10:49:37 PM
Old folks homes are the most depressing places in the entire world.

When I'm old and unable to care for myself I'm renting a plane and packing it full of fireworks.
 
2012-05-25 10:50:00 PM
21-7-b: "Quality of life within retirement and assisted living homes varies dramatically from facility to facility and experience to experience and with the amount of money the poor bastards have to spend."

FTFY.
 
2012-05-25 10:51:58 PM
21-7-b: 12349876

yes and no, i would argue...


You would be wrong, and it has fark-all to do with how many geezers use Twitter.
 
2012-05-25 10:52:41 PM
Hector Remarkable: Old people don't need companionship. They need to be isolated and studied so that it can be determined what nutrients they have that might be extracted for our personal use.

Stop reading that Ross Perot pamphlet.
 
2012-05-25 10:53:28 PM
natmar_76: This is true for a lot of people in our society. Mentally ill often can only receive proper treatment and housing in jails or prisons.

It's sick and a sad indictment of our society.


the mentally ill in america prisons is a massive fail. they are just prisoners with medications. they should be in proper mental health care facilities. and IMHO a Judge, having a background in law, is in NO way qualified to determine the mental health status of a person. that is blasphemy.

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Mama Kritter is in a Adult Center as we speak. $9,000.00/ month. Holy. Fraking. Crap. I should have killed her in my childhood as i so often dreamed of.
 
2012-05-25 10:53:55 PM
That's my plan for retirement, but I'll do a federal white collar crime. The Feds have a much nicer environment, Club Fed. Where the local jails and prisons have the muggers, druggies, murderers, and such.
Meds, Beds, and Fed three squares a day.
 
2012-05-25 10:56:30 PM
KrispyKritter: natmar_76: This is true for a lot of people in our society. Mentally ill often can only receive proper treatment and housing in jails or prisons.

It's sick and a sad indictment of our society.

the mentally ill in america prisons is a massive fail. they are just prisoners with medications. they should be in proper mental health care facilities. and IMHO a Judge, having a background in law, is in NO way qualified to determine the mental health status of a person. that is blasphemy.

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Mama Kritter is in a Adult Center as we speak. $9,000.00/ month. Holy. Fraking. Crap. I should have killed her in my childhood as i so often dreamed of.


9k a month = 108k per year. Dare I ask if she is getting her money's worth?
 
2012-05-25 10:59:02 PM
This has been going on since at least the time when I became an attorney over 2 decades ago. It is especially prevalent during the winter months.

Three hots and a cot

Free room, free meals, free cable, gym, library, medical care, dental care, and lots of drugs and sex available and no personal responsibility.
 
2012-05-25 11:01:20 PM
KrispyKritter: the mentally ill in america prisons is a massive fail. they are just prisoners with medications. they should be in proper mental health care facilities. and IMHO a Judge, having a background in law, is in NO way qualified to determine the mental health status of a person. that is blasphemy.

Conversely, how much power do you want to give to doctors regarding involuntary commitment?
 
2012-05-25 11:04:58 PM
rumpelstiltskin

You would be wrong, and it has fark-all to do with how many geezers use Twitter.

no, i'm correct. read the article. variation is the issue
 
2012-05-25 11:05:10 PM
If i'm ever sick enough to be put in the old folks home...put me in one of these instead...here is a quarter...
www.technovelgy.com
 
2012-05-25 11:06:41 PM
Whatever happened to good ole' Palma Sola Estates?

www.websters-dictionary-online.com
 
2012-05-25 11:11:02 PM
Because private prisons spare no expense in charging us to treat the scum of society as best as they can.
 
2012-05-25 11:20:31 PM
Going In Style

No longer a movie, now real life.
 
2012-05-25 11:21:45 PM
It's amazing how, as we supposedly progress as a society, we misplace priorities and end up with these sad circumstances.
 
2012-05-25 11:22:25 PM
21-7-b: "Quality of life within retirement and assisted living homes varies dramatically from facility to facility and experience to experience."

Has anybody ever been to a nice retirement home? My grandad died a pretty rich man, and my family spent pretty good money to check out any and all of the facilities in the area surrounding Bloomfield Hills, MI, which is a relatively wealthy city (the highest income of any city outside of California, Florida or Virginia, according to Wikipedia), and as far as I could tell, the quality of life varied very little. The quality of the building, the medical equipment, and the number of staff varied, and perhaps the quality of physical care varied along with those factors, but the quality of life, and the level of concern for the patient's emotional well being, or even acknowledgment of their humanity, was always consistently, and terrifyingly low.

I think part of the problem is that no matter how much you're paying for a home, the people who deal with the patients for 95% of their time are still over-worked, minimum wage slaves whose compassion is worked out of them in short order, if they even had any to begin with.
 
2012-05-25 11:27:18 PM
I read some figures a few years ago about living aboard a medium level cruise ship full time vs living in a nursing home and it was actually quite a bit cheaper to live on the ship ($2-5K/month/ship vs $6-9K/month/nursing home) Of course you would have to be in good physical and mental condition and able to take care of yourself or have a large tip budget in order to get the ship crew to change diapers, hand feed and give baths.
 
2012-05-25 11:29:34 PM
bhcompy: I demand we spend more money on caring for the old... and the middle aged.. and the young. In fact, let's give everyone everything. I think that's worked out pretty well in the countries that have tried it.

Prison isn't free, so you'll wind up paying for them to live anyway.
 
2012-05-25 11:32:43 PM
thesloppy

ever go clubbing? you'll probably find more info online about most nightclubs than retirement homes. buying anything is about knowledge - the process of selection is all about information. retirement homes shouldn't be immune and whilst they are they aren't exposed to competition as the rest of society is, so they stay where they are, yet there's no reason retirement homes can't use the internet to advertize how they are able to differentiate themselves. as more do so more and more proactively so things will change.
 
2012-05-25 11:34:45 PM
The problems of nursing homes section reminded me of Happy Gilmore.
 
2012-05-25 11:35:32 PM
JRoo: Sweet.

I'll assassinate a banker when I get old and score a free retirement and health care plan, killing two birds with one stone.


THAT'S GREAT! Two fer's - I was just gonna smuggle drugs until I got caught but your idea is sheer genius!
 
2012-05-25 11:36:47 PM
We treat our pets with more dignity than our elderly. After watching my grandmother waste away, I've decided that when I can no longer care for myself, I'm just going to commit suicide. I'll be the one to decide the time, place and manner of my demise. No nursing home, no hospice care, just a quick out with a massive dose of morphine and a tequila chaser.
 
2012-05-25 11:37:04 PM
FTFA : "Your care givers might be great, checking on you at regular internals daily and aiming to create the best living situation possible..."

I don't want them checking my internals...
 
2012-05-25 11:37:38 PM
12349876: 21-7-b: "Quality of life within retirement and assisted living homes varies dramatically from facility to facility and experience to experience."

And usually the amount of money you have determines that experience. You got several thou a month, you get a great experience, just got ss not so much.


most people can't afford a assisted living facility. even cheap ones cost about double what most people get from social security. medicaid pays for the vast majority of elder care. the vast majority of people who need care will have to spend down (sell) all their assets (you can keep a car if it costs less than 10k, that is all it used to be anyway) and then get on medicaid. you can forget about dying in your home if you need nursing care for any significant amount of time unless you can seriously sock away cash, like several million.
depressing reality of our retarded pay as you go system.
 
2012-05-25 11:41:34 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

It's a retirement community!
 
2012-05-25 11:43:06 PM
Nrokreffefp: bhcompy: I demand we spend more money on caring for the old... and the middle aged.. and the young. In fact, let's give everyone everything. I think that's worked out pretty well in the countries that have tried it.

I know you are being facetious out of ignorance, but there are myriad other countries that are doing far better than we are fiscally, and which hand out far greater social benefits. Canada, Germany, Switzerland, etc.


Thank you for saving me from having to type that out. Here is Wikipedia for reference. :)

Link
 
2012-05-25 11:45:10 PM
I'm sure it will only require ONE more tax cut for the rich, then the trickle down will take care of all of the elderly, and the poor, and the jobless, and...

right?
 
2012-05-25 11:48:33 PM
murder a white girl and get all your dentistry for free
 
2012-05-25 11:48:41 PM
asimplescribe: bhcompy: I demand we spend more money on caring for the old... and the middle aged.. and the young. In fact, let's give everyone everything. I think that's worked out pretty well in the countries that have tried it.

Prison isn't free, so you'll wind up paying for them to live anyway.


Do they kick you out if you can't afford it though?
 
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