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(Business Insider)   "People unwilling to work seems to be a real moral quandary, as reflected by the Fark comments on the story. Some don't have any sympathy, some think she needs more help." That's Fark for you (3rd paragraph)   (businessinsider.com) divider line 47
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2012-05-25 01:02:46 PM
wow, haters on fark. that's a greenlight.
ha.
 
2012-05-25 01:08:45 PM
So... I'm gathering she still hasn't retaken the food safety test.
 
2012-05-25 01:09:30 PM
8 comments:

A. Hitler said...

Yea! Bring back the great 20th C. policies of sterilization.


And done in by one by commenter A. Hitler on the big dummy's blog
 
2012-05-25 01:39:38 PM
It's not kindness and compassion... it's Fark.com
 
2012-05-25 01:48:03 PM
I could give a shiat about that worthless lazy-ass pos. Her kids are a different matter. As I said in the OP, helping the kids means helping her become self-reliant. Make her show up every day for work/education, provide day care so she does it. If she doesn't, the kids should be given up for adoption to someone that will raise them to do more than rely on the government. My compassion ends for people that refuse to help themselves...
 
2012-05-25 01:59:07 PM

flaEsq: 8 comments:

A. Hitler said...

Yea! Bring back the great 20th C. policies of sterilization.

And done in by one by commenter A. Hitler on the big dummy's blog


From the comments: Sterilization should be required for a welfare check.

68 agree, 14 disagree. (at time of when I read it)

1 welfare recipient with a possible poor attitude = sterilizations for all!

I'm all decreasing the human population, but I'd recommend we'd start with the sterilization of at least certain 68 specific individuals.

Maybe she is lazy. Maybe she has some issues which are an impediment to self respect.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-05-25 02:04:59 PM

slayer199: I could give a shiat about that worthless lazy-ass pos. Her kids are a different matter. As I said in the OP, helping the kids means helping her become self-reliant. Make her show up every day for work/education, provide day care so she does it. If she doesn't, the kids should be given up for adoption to someone that will raise them to do more than rely on the government. My compassion ends for people that refuse to help themselves...


And I am certain that you would be quite happy to help pay for these things? Thought not.
 
2012-05-25 02:08:00 PM
Rude people on the internet? I am shocked and appalled.

/Also amused because the comments from the original thread are rather fun
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-05-25 02:11:58 PM

I_Am_Weasel: flaEsq: 8 comments:

A. Hitler said...

Yea! Bring back the great 20th C. policies of sterilization.

And done in by one by commenter A. Hitler on the big dummy's blog

From the comments: Sterilization should be required for a welfare check.

68 agree, 14 disagree. (at time of when I read it)

1 welfare recipient with a possible poor attitude = sterilizations for all!

I'm all decreasing the human population, but I'd recommend we'd start with the sterilization of at least certain 68 specific individuals.

Maybe she is lazy. Maybe she has some issues which are an impediment to self respect.


If she was lazy and didn't want to work, she wouldn't have taken the test in the first place, or even been looking for work.

The "welfare queen" argument is an attempt to deny the problem, it isn't about solving it. The idea that people want to be on welfare isn't really plausible.
 
2012-05-25 02:12:07 PM
I wonder if the people demanding that such people get a job would be willing to hire them. I know I wouldn't want to pay anyone that lazy to do anything.
 
2012-05-25 02:14:49 PM
This Woman Is Undeniably A Welfare Queen

We're still doing that, huh.
 
2012-05-25 02:17:53 PM

vpb: And I am certain that you would be quite happy to help pay for these things? Thought not.


I already am as a taxpayer....but instead of paying her to sit at home, give her a chance to get off her ass.
 
2012-05-25 02:18:51 PM
FTA:

I'm certain that in 500 years this will no longer be such a puzzle because we simply will not have any room for those who want to have children but have neither ability nor willingness to provide for them. There are some real long-term constraints that will bind at some point.


Wow, thanks for that utterly useless nugget of sh*t, Eric Falkenstein.
 
2012-05-25 02:19:12 PM

Relatively Obscure: This Woman Is Undeniably A Welfare Queen

We're still doing that, huh.


It works, so why would they stop? For some reason it is easier for the masses to blame poor people for societal problems than the people who are actually responsible and have the means to change things for the better.
 
2012-05-25 02:20:35 PM
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"Eric Falkenstien here. You know, in 500 years, everything is going to kick ass. The environment will be clean, taxes will be low and the economy will be booming because we're going to force everyone to vote Republican".
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-05-25 02:23:34 PM

BunkyBrewman: So... I'm gathering she still hasn't retaken the food safety test.


No, she took a job as a security guard, so there wouldn't be much point would there?
 
2012-05-25 02:25:14 PM
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"Hey kids, Eric Falkenstein again. You know, I think a perfectly fine solution to the welfare queen's problem is: don't have children. Because when you break your arm playing football, having the doctor say 'don't play football' totally makes it better".
 
2012-05-25 02:29:08 PM
I still don't understand how she could possibly have failed a test that they GIVE YOU ALL THE ANSWERS TO right before you start.
 
2012-05-25 02:29:33 PM
My daughter has a freshman in her choir class who has a 2 yr old. So she had the kid when she was 12 or 13. Without parental help, it'd be nearly impossible for her to succeed in life.
 
2012-05-25 02:29:38 PM
The moral quandary is not with people who refuse to work for a living. In fact, many workplaces are full of them. It is the source of their subsistence. In her case it's very likely to be me.

This woman needs to understand that by investing effort, one can - up to a point - recoup both personal and financial gain. It isn't easy for a person such as the one in TFA to understand personal wealth and self respect, or to know what to do if any of such is achieved. A person - and there are many, many of them - who says "I can't do that because I haven't had the training" has never been shown the value of their own effort and self worth. (Sure, they might work for a bureaucratic corporation that discourages individual effort, or individuality of any kind, or the job in question could be too dangerous for an untrained rookie, but those are different situations from the one we have here.) That is the problem with handouts from both charity and the government. It destroys, or fails to instill, a sense of self worth. It goes far beyond a question of mere laziness.

The problem of self worth is that it has to be taught. If poverty-stricken and hopeless parents can't pass along that learning, and one's childhood environment doesn't allow anything but rude survival, then where does that self respect and ambition come from. Religion, maybe? Not likely, with religion preaching that even so much as avoiding pregnancy (by practical means) is sinful, and with the preaching that we are all unworthy (so we can be "redeemed" by following their rules), there is no help there. Government? Surely bureaucracy isn't going to teach self reliance and ambition no matter how much tax money is spent. Public schools? For a kid with even a hint of motivation, school is nearly always a sort of mental limbo and a source of frustration, usually enforced on the kid daily until he is a young adult. So how can the problem with unmotivated and discouraged "people of poverty" be addressed? Better thinking could be taught in well-run schools that encourage instead of discourage kids, staffed with teachers who both understand and know what they are doing, but these are few and expensive. Corporations could undertake the problem, but the education that is available rarely goes beyond rote up-selling. So what should be done? Well, we can publicly vilify them, which is easy to do and good for egos of those who don't need any help and doesn't cost a dime, and is self-fulfilling.
 
2012-05-25 02:29:43 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I still don't understand how she could possibly have failed a test that they GIVE YOU ALL THE ANSWERS TO right before you start.


There was apparently a link to the test in the original thread.

I didn't find it though.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-05-25 02:30:39 PM
"If I have to sell dinners, collect cans, I am going to make my rent," she said. "This is our new beginning."


And she moved to a more expensive apartment to be available for more work. Sounds like someone who is really lazy and prefers to be on welfare to me.

And this clowns take on that is: "Undeniably A Welfare Queen", and doesn't bother to quote the bits that contradict him.
 
2012-05-25 02:32:16 PM
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"Eric Falkenstien here. I think stories of poor, undereducated people are 'neat'. "
 
2012-05-25 02:33:30 PM

Earpj: My daughter has a freshman in her choir class who has a 2 yr old. So she had the kid when she was 12 or 13. Without parental help, it'd be nearly impossible for her to succeed in life.


Bless her parents. That can't be easy.
 
2012-05-25 02:35:17 PM
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Eric Falkenstien here. In 500 years, I bet humanity will have evolved so that we can suck our own dicks.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-05-25 02:35:53 PM
 
2012-05-25 02:41:41 PM

The My Little Pony Killer:

Bless her parents. That can't be easy.


No. I couldn't even imagine finding out that my 11 yr old was pregnant.
Talk about heart breaking.
 
2012-05-25 02:41:49 PM

vpb: BunkyBrewman: So... I'm gathering she still hasn't retaken the food safety test.

No, she took a job as a security guard, so there wouldn't be much point would there?


No she didn't. They're describing what she hopes to be doing in the future because it's something she's done in the past.
 
2012-05-25 02:43:27 PM
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Eric Falkenstein here. Amending my dicksucking prediction: In 500 years, technology will have advanced so that we can purchase clones to suck our own dicks. Welfare dregs will still have to suck the dicks of others.
 
2012-05-25 02:43:32 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: No she didn't. They're describing what she hopes to be doing in the future because it's something she's done in the past.


Read it again.
 
2012-05-25 02:47:38 PM
I don't think people get the whole "cycle" aspect of it. Her kids are likely to end up as she is. Perhaps she's a bit of a lost cause, but supporting her kids with education and social and economic opportunity will help to break the cycle. After all, it's not the kids' fault, right?
 
2012-05-25 02:50:23 PM
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E. Falk here, in 500 years our dicks will be detachable and get 600 sports channels!
 
2012-05-25 02:54:15 PM
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"E-Falk and the funky bunch here. In 500 years we'll have lasers installed, much like photo radar cameras, that can assess a person's net worth and instantly vaporize them if it's below a certain threshold. Then, the powdered remains will be harvested to create plastics used to make outhouses and thus, we will literally sh*t on the poor. Also they're dead."
 
2012-05-25 02:56:44 PM
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E. Falk the Falkenblogger here, In 500 years on the cusp of the terrudian equinox Gortan will rise from the depths of the see of Man-tu with his army of screaming Plasdeks to wash the filth of man from the Earth. So vote Republican!
 
2012-05-25 02:57:10 PM

slayer199: helping the kids means helping her become self-reliant


You sure helping the kids doesn't mean taking them away from her and putting them in an environment with positive influences?

/ We really need to spend a hell of a lot more money to get that system built for them though. It's a real shame voters prioritize lower taxes above a functioning society.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-05-25 02:57:36 PM

coco ebert: I don't think people get the whole "cycle" aspect of it. Her kids are likely to end up as she is. Perhaps she's a bit of a lost cause, but supporting her kids with education and social and economic opportunity will help to break the cycle. After all, it's not the kids' fault, right?


I think it is more of a crucial piece of their worldview, that's why people home in on a sentence that sounds like what they want to hear and ignore the other 95% of the article.

The main argument for tax cuts is that 99% of the federal budget is handouts to Lazy welfare queens who don't want to work. People want to believe that because it gives them an excuse to avoid pulling their weight while pretending they are responsible people.

Also, acknowledging that poor people might actually have some problem other than laziness would be admitting that they are self centered jerks.
 
2012-05-25 02:57:53 PM
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Eric Falkenstein here. I'm subtly suggesting that poor, uneducated people should be sterilized, but I've couched it in vague terms affording me plausible deniability.
 
2012-05-25 02:59:05 PM
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E-FALKENSTIENER!

I really don't care what happens in 500 years. Just as long as I can suck my own dick.
 
2012-05-25 03:01:38 PM
Keep pushing, Mrs. Meme! I can see the head!
 
2012-05-25 03:07:31 PM
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"Eric Fronkensteen here. In 500 years our good looking, wealthy descendants will frolic on a utopian surface while the peasants live underground grinding out their meager existence. Hahaha, stupid poor people never learn."
 
2012-05-25 03:14:26 PM

vpb: coco ebert: I don't think people get the whole "cycle" aspect of it. Her kids are likely to end up as she is. Perhaps she's a bit of a lost cause, but supporting her kids with education and social and economic opportunity will help to break the cycle. After all, it's not the kids' fault, right?

I think it is more of a crucial piece of their worldview, that's why people home in on a sentence that sounds like what they want to hear and ignore the other 95% of the article.

The main argument for tax cuts is that 99% of the federal budget is handouts to Lazy welfare queens who don't want to work. People want to believe that because it gives them an excuse to avoid pulling their weight while pretending they are responsible people.

Also, acknowledging that poor people might actually have some problem other than laziness would be admitting that they are self centered jerks.


True. People of all types suffer from depression. It's just that wealthier people have the resources to treat it.
 
2012-05-25 03:18:00 PM

Rev.K: FTA:

I'm certain that in 500 years this will no longer be such a puzzle because we simply will not have any room for those who want to have children but have neither ability nor willingness to provide for them. There are some real long-term constraints that will bind at some point.


Wow, thanks for that utterly useless nugget of sh*t, Eric Falkenstein.


I'm pretty sure I work with this guy, and that Eric Falkenstein is a pseudonym.
 
2012-05-25 03:32:13 PM
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Herman Cain here. Eric Falkenstein has a purdy mouf, and he should also fill it up with my Godfather's $9.99 pizza deal!

/maybe the woman in the article could get paid to spew crap on Business Insider like Eric the Frankenweener?
 
2012-05-25 04:06:31 PM

coco ebert: I don't think people get the whole "cycle" aspect of it. Her kids are likely to end up as she is. Perhaps she's a bit of a lost cause, but supporting her kids with education and social and economic opportunity will help to break the cycle. After all, it's not the kids' fault, right?


Unfortunately, the best thing for her kids is to take them away from her and place them somewhere more stable.
My parents raised foster kids for over 30 years and they helped change the lives of a lot of kids in this exact situation.
 
2012-05-25 04:19:25 PM

Laocoon: [static7.businessinsider.com image 100x100]

Eric Falkenstein here. Amending my dicksucking prediction: In 500 years, technology will have advanced so that we can purchase clones to suck our own dicks. Welfare dregs will still have to suck the dicks of others.


If you have sex with your clone, is that incest or masturbation?
 
2012-05-25 05:07:41 PM

jehovahs witness protection: coco ebert: I don't think people get the whole "cycle" aspect of it. Her kids are likely to end up as she is. Perhaps she's a bit of a lost cause, but supporting her kids with education and social and economic opportunity will help to break the cycle. After all, it's not the kids' fault, right?

Unfortunately, the best thing for her kids is to take them away from her and place them somewhere more stable.
My parents raised foster kids for over 30 years and they helped change the lives of a lot of kids in this exact situation.


This could very well be the best situation- like you said, unfortunately.
 
2012-05-26 01:27:59 AM
Hmm, this is the 3rd or 4th link this week greenlighted for mentioning Fark in a sentence.
Writers, pay attention.
 
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