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2012-05-25 02:17:51 PM
Just how the fark does this asshole know what is constitutional or not? It's not like there is a specific provision in the constitution prohibiting early voting and as far as I know, there is no case of any jurisdiction saying that it is unconstitutional. Of the Constitutional Amendments that relate to voting, there is certainly no language that even addresses at what time of the year voting has to occur.
 
2012-05-25 02:18:27 PM

Baz744: themindiswatching: Baz744: Something modern Americans refuse to understand: voting was intended by the Founding Fathers as a privilege, not a right. Given how awful things have become in this country, it's clear we've extended that privilege way too far. We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

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Got nothing to say? Accuse your opponent of trolling.

Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right." The Founding Fathers left who was allowed to vote up to the states, and they certainly felt free to deny the franchise as they saw fit.


Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.
2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
 
2012-05-25 02:18:39 PM

Dogberry: Eh, vote West out on a Tuesday, vote West out on a Sunday, it's all the same, as long as that moran gets voted out.


If only we could vote out all of the right wing morans. Fox News would have to create the 96 hour day just to fit in the time slots to accommodate new shows for all of these losers.
 
2012-05-25 02:19:17 PM

lennavan: Baz744: themindiswatching: Baz744: Something modern Americans refuse to understand: voting was intended by the Founding Fathers as a privilege, not a right. Given how awful things have become in this country, it's clear we've extended that privilege way too far. We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

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Got nothing to say? Accuse your opponent of trolling.

Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right." The Founding Fathers left who was allowed to vote up to the states, and they certainly felt free to deny the franchise as they saw fit.

WELL DONE SIR. You are absolutely guaranteed bites on this one. You even prefaced it with a statement declaring yourself serious. The effort here will truly pay off and I congratulate you.

11/10.


I'm not looking for "bites." I'm looking for any reasoned position on why certain people should be allowed to vote at all. So far, people have offered personal attacks in response, but nothing substantive. But I'm used to that from liberals.
 
2012-05-25 02:20:10 PM

Baz744: Philip Francis Queeg: Baz744: themindiswatching: Baz744: Something modern Americans refuse to understand: voting was intended by the Founding Fathers as a privilege, not a right. Given how awful things have become in this country, it's clear we've extended that privilege way too far. We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

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Got nothing to say? Accuse your opponent of trolling.

Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right." The Founding Fathers left who was allowed to vote up to the states, and they certainly felt free to deny the franchise as they saw fit.

So who shouldn't be allowed to vote in your sage opinion?

Honestly, I think we should reconsider whether people without skin in the game--people with no substantial property or earned income--should be allowed to vote.

Other than that, people who aren't smart enough to overcome the bureaucracy involved with getting a driver's license, for one. Also, people who can't pass certain basic citizenship tests.


Let me guess, the income required should be just slightly less than what you make.
 
2012-05-25 02:20:32 PM

Baz744: Philip Francis Queeg: Baz744: themindiswatching: Baz744: Something modern Americans refuse to understand: voting was intended by the Founding Fathers as a privilege, not a right. Given how awful things have become in this country, it's clear we've extended that privilege way too far. We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

0/10

Got nothing to say? Accuse your opponent of trolling.

Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right." The Founding Fathers left who was allowed to vote up to the states, and they certainly felt free to deny the franchise as they saw fit.

So who shouldn't be allowed to vote in your sage opinion?

Honestly, I think we should reconsider whether people without skin in the game--people with no substantial property or earned income--should be allowed to vote.

Other than that, people who aren't smart enough to overcome the bureaucracy involved with getting a driver's license, for one. Also, people who can't pass certain basic citizenship tests.


You know, if you want to keep trolling and pulling in bites, you may want to remove from your bio the quote from Teddy Roosevelt talking about how a powerful state is necessary to keep the plutocrats from taking over the country.
 
2012-05-25 02:21:43 PM

Baz744: We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.


And would the culling you propose prevent you from voting? I didn't think so.
 
2012-05-25 02:21:48 PM

Citrate1007: Baz744: themindiswatching: Baz744: Something modern Americans refuse to understand: voting was intended by the Founding Fathers as a privilege, not a right. Given how awful things have become in this country, it's clear we've extended that privilege way too far. We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

0/10

Got nothing to say? Accuse your opponent of trolling.

Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right." The Founding Fathers left who was allowed to vote up to the states, and they certainly felt free to deny the franchise as they saw fit.

You are a true Republican and correct. The Constitution proper only allows male land owners the right to vote....which is what the GOP wants to revert to.


I wouldn't go that far. I'm just saying to vote you should have some skin in the game, and be smart enough to handle the responsibility.
 
2012-05-25 02:22:15 PM

TV's Vinnie: Dogberry: Eh, vote West out on a Tuesday, vote West out on a Sunday, it's all the same, as long as that moran gets voted out.

If only we could vote out all of the right wing morans. Fox News would have to create the 96 hour day just to fit in the time slots to accommodate new shows for all of these losers.


much better than your usual. +1
 
2012-05-25 02:22:43 PM

Diogenes: He's not entirely wrong, but is overly simplistic.


He is entirely wrong.

Baz744: Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right."


Nem Wan: Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.
2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote


Here's another: 19th amendment.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Here's another: 15th amendment.

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Here's another: 26 amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

Again I say, he's entirely wrong.
 
2012-05-25 02:23:59 PM

Baz744: Citrate1007: Baz744: themindiswatching: Baz744: Something modern Americans refuse to understand: voting was intended by the Founding Fathers as a privilege, not a right. Given how awful things have become in this country, it's clear we've extended that privilege way too far. We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

0/10

Got nothing to say? Accuse your opponent of trolling.

Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right." The Founding Fathers left who was allowed to vote up to the states, and they certainly felt free to deny the franchise as they saw fit.

You are a true Republican and correct. The Constitution proper only allows male land owners the right to vote....which is what the GOP wants to revert to.

I wouldn't go that far. I'm just saying to vote you should have some skin in the game, and be smart enough to handle the responsibility.


0/10
 
2012-05-25 02:24:10 PM

Baz744: Honestly, I think we should reconsider whether people without skin in the game--people with no substantial property or earned income--should be allowed to vote.

Other than that, people who aren't smart enough to overcome the bureaucracy involved with getting a driver's license, for one. Also, people who can't pass certain basic citizenship tests.


So in a sense you are arguing against things that time and again have been established as fundamental to the American way. Why do you hate America and her Constitution?
 
2012-05-25 02:24:22 PM

Baz744: I'm not looking for "bites." I'm looking for any reasoned position on why certain people should be allowed to vote at all. So far, people have offered personal attacks in response, but nothing substantive. But I'm used to that from liberals.


Okay, deal. Here goes, let's see your substantive response.

Baz744: Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right."


Here are four instances in the Constitution voting is referred to as a right. I await your retraction:

Nem Wan: Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.
2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote

Here's another: 19th amendment.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Here's another: 15th amendment.

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Here's another: 26 amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
 
2012-05-25 02:24:49 PM

pciszek: Baz744: We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

And would the culling you propose prevent you from voting? I didn't think so.


No, because I work for a living, I'm smart enough to get a driver's license, and I can pass a basic citizenship test.
 
2012-05-25 02:24:50 PM

Baz744: Citrate1007: Baz744: themindiswatching: Baz744: Something modern Americans refuse to understand: voting was intended by the Founding Fathers as a privilege, not a right. Given how awful things have become in this country, it's clear we've extended that privilege way too far. We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

0/10

Got nothing to say? Accuse your opponent of trolling.

Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right." The Founding Fathers left who was allowed to vote up to the states, and they certainly felt free to deny the franchise as they saw fit.

You are a true Republican and correct. The Constitution proper only allows male land owners the right to vote....which is what the GOP wants to revert to.

I wouldn't go that far. I'm just saying to vote you should have some skin in the game, and be smart enough to handle the responsibility.


It would be nice if you had to pass an IQ test in order to vote or have children, but I don't think that it would play out very well when put into practice
 
2012-05-25 02:24:55 PM

theknuckler_33: Conservatives these days basically feel as though unless you are walking into the polling location on election day with your photo ID in hand to cast your vote for the republican candidate, your vote is fraudulent.


Filled in the missing part for you, there.
 
2012-05-25 02:25:00 PM

skullkrusher: early voting is cool in my book. So is reading, subby.


This Just In. Allen West to go after Fandango for allowing advance purchases of movie tickets.
 
2012-05-25 02:25:04 PM

Baz744: I'm just saying to vote you should have some skin in the game


Everyone has "skin in the game".
 
2012-05-25 02:25:26 PM

Baz744: Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right." The Founding Fathers left who was allowed to vote up to the states, and they certainly felt free to deny the franchise as they saw fit.


Yep. And many of them denied the vote to anyone who was not white. The Republicans would like to do that again. Some have even come out and said that they would like to rescind women's sufferage.

Women and non-white people may not agree with the Republicans on this, though.
 
2012-05-25 02:25:41 PM

Baz744: pciszek: Baz744: We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

And would the culling you propose prevent you from voting? I didn't think so.

No, because I work for a living, I'm smart enough to get a driver's license, and I can pass a basic citizenship test.


Yet you have no farking clue what is in the constitution. I'm thinking if we do cull the voting pool, people like you should be excluded.
 
2012-05-25 02:25:45 PM
Here is what the United States Supreme Court held in Reynolds v. Sims about the right to vote Sorry for the upcoming wall of text.

Undeniably the Constitution of the United States protects the right of all qualified citizens to vote, in state as **1378 well as in federal elections. A consistent line of decisions by this Court in cases involving attempts to deny or restrict the right of suffrage has made this indelibly clear. It has been repeatedly recognized that all qualified voters have a constitutionally protected right to vote, Ex parte Yarbrough, 110 U.S. 651, 4 S.Ct. 152, 28 L.Ed. 274, and to have their votes counted, United States v. Mosley, 238 U.S. 383, 35 S.Ct. 904, 59 L.Ed. 1355. In Mosley the Court stated that it is 'as equally unquestionable that the right to have one's vote counted is as open to protection * * * as the right to put a ballot in a box.' *555 238 U.S., at 386, 35 S.Ct., at 905. The right to vote can neither be denied outright, Guinn v. United States, 238 U.S. 347, 35 S.Ct. 926, 59 L.Ed. 1340, Lane v. Wilson, 307 U.S. 268, 59 S.Ct. 872, 83 L.Ed. 1281, nor destroyed by alteration of ballots, see United States v. Classic, 313 U.S. 299, 315, 61 S.Ct. 1031, 1037, 85 L.Ed. 1368, nor diluted by ballot-box stuffing Ex parte Siebold, 100 U.S. 371, 25 L.Ed. 717, United States v. Saylor, 322 U.S. 385, 64 S.Ct. 1101, 88 L.Ed. 1341. As the Court stated in Classic, 'Obviously included within the right to choose, secured by the Constitution, is the right of qualified voters within a state to cast their ballots and have them counted * * *.' 313 U.S., at 315, 61 S.Ct., at 1037. Racially based gerrymandering, Gomillion v. Lightfoot, 364 U.S. 339, 81 S.Ct. 125, 5 L.Ed.2d 110, and the conducting of white primaries, Nixon v. Herndon, 273 U.S. 536, 47 S.Ct. 446, 71 L.Ed. 759, Nixon v. Condon, 286 U.S. 73, 52 S.Ct. 484, 76 L.Ed. 984, Smith v. Allwright, 321 U.S. 649, 64 S.Ct. 757, 88 L.Ed. 987, Terry v. Adams, 345 U.S. 461, 73 S.Ct. 809, 97 L.Ed. 1152, both of which result in denying to some citizens their right to vote, have been held to be constitutionally impermissible. And history has seen a continuing expansion of the scope of the right of suffrage in this country.28 The right to vote freely for the candidate of one's choice is of the essence of a democratic society, and any restrictions on that right strike at the heart of representative government. And the right of suffrage can be denied by a debasement or dilution of the weight of a citizen's vote just as effectively as by wholly prohibiting the free exercise of the franchise.29

Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533, 554-55, 84 S. Ct. 1362, 1377-78, 12 L. Ed. 2d 506 (1964)
 
2012-05-25 02:26:07 PM

Baz744: Honestly, I think we should reconsider whether people without skin in the game--people with no substantial property or earned income--should be allowed to vote.


i45.photobucket.com

/sees what you did there
 
2012-05-25 02:26:11 PM

lennavan: Diogenes: He's not entirely wrong, but is overly simplistic.

He is entirely wrong.

Baz744: Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right."

Nem Wan: Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.
2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote

Here's another: 19th amendment.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Here's another: 15th amendment.

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Here's another: 26 amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

Again I say, he's entirely wrong.


yep, in your normal grating fashion
 
2012-05-25 02:26:54 PM

coeyagi: skullkrusher: early voting is cool in my book. So is reading, subby.

This Just In. Allen West to go after Fandango for allowing advance purchases of movie tickets.


Barack Hussein Fandangobama!11!!
 
2012-05-25 02:26:56 PM

lennavan: Diogenes: He's not entirely wrong, but is overly simplistic.

He is entirely wrong.

Baz744: Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right."

Nem Wan: Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.
2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote

Here's another: 19th amendment.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Here's another: 15th amendment.

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Here's another: 26 amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

Again I say, he's entirely wrong.


You're arguing from the position where the Constitution is already established. I'm arguing from the process that created it. There was vigorous debate on voting rights. As was whether the people should have static or proportional representation. That argument almost shut down the whole effort.
 
2012-05-25 02:26:56 PM

Great_Milenko: theknuckler_33: Conservatives these days basically feel as though unless you are walking into the polling location on election day with your photo ID in hand to cast your vote for the republican candidate, your vote is fraudulent.


Filled in the missing part for you, there.


Wyalt Derp took care of that for me already. ;-)
 
2012-05-25 02:27:14 PM

Serious Black: Baz744: Philip Francis Queeg: Baz744: themindiswatching: Baz744: Something modern Americans refuse to understand: voting was intended by the Founding Fathers as a privilege, not a right. Given how awful things have become in this country, it's clear we've extended that privilege way too far. We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

0/10

Got nothing to say? Accuse your opponent of trolling.

Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right." The Founding Fathers left who was allowed to vote up to the states, and they certainly felt free to deny the franchise as they saw fit.

So who shouldn't be allowed to vote in your sage opinion?

Honestly, I think we should reconsider whether people without skin in the game--people with no substantial property or earned income--should be allowed to vote.

Other than that, people who aren't smart enough to overcome the bureaucracy involved with getting a driver's license, for one. Also, people who can't pass certain basic citizenship tests.

You know, if you want to keep trolling and pulling in bites, you may want to remove from your bio the quote from Teddy Roosevelt talking about how a powerful state is necessary to keep the plutocrats from taking over the country.


I put it there to show that Teddy Roosevelt was basically a fascist. So many conservatives admire him, but it's mostly for his rugged persona. They don't know who he really was.
 
2012-05-25 02:27:16 PM
Early voting is "really not consistent with constitutional voting practices and procedures"? Yes, because as we all know the Constitution sets an election date and suggests that all votes be cast on that day. I mean, it's not like the states could determine the method of choosing representatives so long as they reflect the qualifications necessary for voting for state level office so long as discrimination does not happen due to race, sex, or age (unless they are under 18.)

...Will anybody ask him about whether military absentee ballots should count, or is it just going through the standard voting procedure before the very deadline is a mockery of the Founders' intent.
 
2012-05-25 02:27:45 PM

lennavan: voting as a "right."


Any amendment after the 10th doesn't count.
 
2012-05-25 02:28:34 PM

Baz744: Citrate1007: Baz744: themindiswatching: Baz744: Something modern Americans refuse to understand: voting was intended by the Founding Fathers as a privilege, not a right. Given how awful things have become in this country, it's clear we've extended that privilege way too far. We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

0/10

Got nothing to say? Accuse your opponent of trolling.

Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right." The Founding Fathers left who was allowed to vote up to the states, and they certainly felt free to deny the franchise as they saw fit.

You are a true Republican and correct. The Constitution proper only allows male land owners the right to vote....which is what the GOP wants to revert to.

I wouldn't go that far. I'm just saying to vote you should have some skin in the game, and be smart enough to handle the responsibility.


Um, if you pay taxes (skin), you should be able to vote (game).

//WHAR 47% WHAR FOXNEWS LIE ABOUT TAXES WHAR?!?!
 
2012-05-25 02:29:17 PM
I think that this early voting thing was something we provided and now some people see it as an entitlement

That's actually the smartest thing I've heard that man say. Vile, yes, but it's got a certain intelligence about it. He doesn't like early voting, people don't like hearing the word entitlement, and he's managed to associate the one with the other. It's got a certain Rovian cleverness to it.
 
2012-05-25 02:29:41 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: lennavan: voting as a "right."

Any amendment after the 10th doesn't count.


Actually the 10th is the only one that does count
 
2012-05-25 02:30:21 PM

lennavan: Baz744: I'm not looking for "bites." I'm looking for any reasoned position on why certain people should be allowed to vote at all. So far, people have offered personal attacks in response, but nothing substantive. But I'm used to that from liberals.

Okay, deal. Here goes, let's see your substantive response.

Baz744: Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right."

Here are four instances in the Constitution voting is referred to as a right. I await your retraction:

Nem Wan: Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.
2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote

Here's another: 19th amendment.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Here's another: 15th amendment.

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Here's another: 26 amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.


Okay, so I misspoke. Voting is a "right" to "qualified citizens." But none of those amendments generally abrogate the right of states to decide who is a "qualified citizen."
 
2012-05-25 02:30:33 PM
Baz744

So if your company lays you off, you should lose the franchise too? That's adding insult to injury.
 
2012-05-25 02:31:36 PM
Did anyone else notice that whoever tagged this piece is a dumbass? It wasn't Alan Keyes who interviewed Sir Douchebag, it was Scott Keyes from Thinkprogress. FFS, people get so farking sloppy on Fridayday ending in s.
 
2012-05-25 02:31:37 PM
This isn't the guy who thought Guam would tip over if we put too many people on it, is it? It's his brand of stupid, anyway.
 
2012-05-25 02:31:40 PM

thurstonxhowell: It's got a certain Rovian cleverness to it.


If so, it was completely by accident.
 
2012-05-25 02:32:33 PM

danvon: The right to vote freely for the candidate of one's choice is of the essence of a democratic society, and any restrictions on that right strike at the heart of representative government. And the right of suffrage can be denied by a debasement or dilution of the weight of a citizen's vote just as effectively as by wholly prohibiting the free exercise of the franchise.


That's just their opinion.
 
2012-05-25 02:32:38 PM

Baz744: lennavan: Baz744: I'm not looking for "bites." I'm looking for any reasoned position on why certain people should be allowed to vote at all. So far, people have offered personal attacks in response, but nothing substantive. But I'm used to that from liberals.

Okay, deal. Here goes, let's see your substantive response.

Baz744: Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right."

Here are four instances in the Constitution voting is referred to as a right. I await your retraction:

Nem Wan: Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.
2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote

Here's another: 19th amendment.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Here's another: 15th amendment.

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Here's another: 26 amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

Okay, so I misspoke. Voting is a "right" to "qualified citizens." But none of those amendments generally abrogate the right of states to decide who is a "qualified citizen."


The 26th does, bro.
 
2012-05-25 02:32:47 PM

JerkStore: This isn't the guy who thought Guam would tip over if we put too many people on it, is it? It's his brand of stupid, anyway.


No. And in the interest of fairness, that guy is a Democrat. A very very stupid Democrat. Or one with a wildly peculiar sense of humor.
 
2012-05-25 02:33:00 PM

lennavan: Baz744: pciszek: Baz744: We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

And would the culling you propose prevent you from voting? I didn't think so.

No, because I work for a living, I'm smart enough to get a driver's license, and I can pass a basic citizenship test.

Yet you have no farking clue what is in the constitution. I'm thinking if we do cull the voting pool, people like you should be excluded.


Nah, I've taken a lot of tests that would be good citizenship tests. I usually make perfect or close to perfect scores on them.
 
2012-05-25 02:33:55 PM

pciszek: Baz744: Nowhere does the Constitution refer to voting as a "right." The Founding Fathers left who was allowed to vote up to the states, and they certainly felt free to deny the franchise as they saw fit.

Yep. And many of them denied the vote to anyone who was not white. The Republicans would like to do that again. Some Republican women have even come out and said that they would like to rescind women's sufferage.


Assuming Ann Coulter wasn't being "ironic" when she said that. She did frame it in the context of "those braindead women, we vote for Democrats something like 60-40" which is why they should not have suffrage.

Women and non-white people may not agree with the Republicans on this, though.

You'd think, but sadly Allen West is every bit as derpy as the Hoverrounders who keep asking him for drink refills.
 
2012-05-25 02:33:59 PM
I love how conservatives will argue that the constitution does not grant the right to vote, but in some other argument they will tell you how the constitution lists the limits of government power and doesn't enumerate the rights of citizens.
 
2012-05-25 02:34:01 PM
Relatively Obscure

Allen West

Nothing that followed can fail to be retarded. No need to read.

coeyagi


skullkrusher: early voting is cool in my book. So is reading, subby.

This Just In. Allen West to go after Fandango for allowing advance purchases of movie tickets.

danvon
Just how the fark does this asshole know what is constitutional or not? It's not like there is a specific provision in the constitution prohibiting early voting and as far as I know, there is no case of any jurisdiction saying that it is unconstitutional. Of the Constitutional Amendments that relate to voting, there is certainly no language that even addresses at what time of the year voting has to occur.

Don't Troll Me Bro!

Allen West is a disgrace.



What a bunch of racist you all are.
 
2012-05-25 02:34:14 PM

Baz744: I'm just saying to vote you should have some skin in the game, and be smart enough to handle the responsibility.


That would seem to violate the principle that government only derives its legitimacy through the consent of the governed as spelled out in the Declaration of Independence. If you disenfranchise people, you deprive them of giving their consent to the government and make the government illegitimate.
 
2012-05-25 02:34:33 PM

coeyagi: Did anyone else notice that whoever tagged this piece is a dumbass? It wasn't Alan Keyes who interviewed Sir Douchebag, it was Scott Keyes from Thinkprogress. FFS, people get so farking sloppy on Fridayday ending in s.


I failed Name the Day class but what day ends in 's'?
 
2012-05-25 02:34:49 PM

Baz744: lennavan: Baz744: pciszek: Baz744: We need to cull the voting pool, and we need to do it now.

And would the culling you propose prevent you from voting? I didn't think so.

No, because I work for a living, I'm smart enough to get a driver's license, and I can pass a basic citizenship test.

Yet you have no farking clue what is in the constitution. I'm thinking if we do cull the voting pool, people like you should be excluded.

Nah, I've taken a lot of tests that would be good citizenship tests. I usually make perfect or close to perfect scores on them.


You'd be screwed if the test was:

Does the US Constitution refer to voting as a right?
 
2012-05-25 02:35:00 PM

coeyagi: The 26th does, bro.


No, it doesn't. It only says states can't abrogate voting based on age. States remain free to decide who can vote and can't vote for other reasons.
 
2012-05-25 02:35:39 PM
So if my State has a process to appoint representatives rather than hold an election, my rights have been violated?
 
2012-05-25 02:36:15 PM

theknuckler_33: I love how conservatives will argue that the constitution does not grant the right to vote, but in some other argument they will tell you how the constitution lists the limits of government power and doesn't enumerate the rights of citizens.


well... the constitution doesn't actually guarantee the right to vote. It just lists reasons why you can't be disallowed from voting.
 
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