wudu5: I really don't get why homosexuality is such a lightning rod for these people.

In the bible it does say that two men sleeping with each other is an abomination.
However a few verses later it says that people who commit adultery should be killed.

If you are keeping score (and I personally don't) it seems that adultery is worse than homosexuality since there is a severe punishment for the sin.

So why don't all the gay bashers try attacking all those who commit adultery including almost every TV series, tons of books etc. They will have so many more targets.

/I am religious (Jewish, modern orthodox if you want to give me a label)

I noticed Levitcus says: 20 Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbor's wife,
but 22 says Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination

It doesn't say carnally. So I can't spend the night with some dude who doesn't have a couch and that's the same thing as banging my neighbor?

Bloody William: kid_icarus: "Children desire to be just like superheroes," reads the missive on the One Million Moms website. "Children mimic superhero actions and even dress up in costumes to resemble these characters as much as possible..."

That's bullshiat. I loved comics since I was in kindergarten, and collected everything from Superman to Spawn. And yet, I had a very firm grasp on the line between fantasy and reality. And there were plenty of characters that I liked as characters but was totally aware of the fact that they were jaded and nothing like the person I wanted to be.

Have you noticed that the people crying about how people who embrace fantasy can't tell the difference between it and reality are the ones who can't tell the difference between a millennia-old mythology and reality? They assume comic book fans will take comic books as seriously as the Bible because they take the Bible seriously.

It's a bit deeper than that. They assume kids, heck, everyone is a tabula rasa. By being exposed to certain things, the brain is irrevocably altered to accept that thing as good. It's a message you'll find them hammering into kids at these evangelical "camps" and such. They assume everyone is as fragile and easily swayed as themselves, so everyone must avoid, hide from and destroy anything that conflicts with their message until it's the only one left. (see Chick Publications)

wudu5: However a few verses later it says that people who commit adultery should be killed

A few verses after that says you should stone magicians whenever you come across them. I'm not taking these fundies seriously until Copperfield and Blaine are farking buried. Quick picking and choosing which verses are important and kill Criss Angel already. And then we can get to work on sending the menstruating women out of the village.

ObscureNameHere: Not trying to over-serious the thread here, but is the US heading for another civil war?

From north of the border here, it looks like you have a large minority of deeply social conservative voters who become out-of-touch with a more reasonable world-view with each passing year. I question the sustainability of a political system that has such entrenched and diametrically opposed elements. Functioning policy creation and execution relies on compromise -- which seems to be a word that doesn't exist among a significant wedge of the electorate.

The more battles the social conservatives lose, the more entrenched they will becoome, the more the rhetoric will be escalated (as if that were possible but I am sure some will try). How long before they get pushed to the point where the election of a president with certain modern social values makes entire states declare that the Union has lost 'the moral authority' to govern their state?

Full scale civil war a la 1861? No. I we didn't have over Martin Luther King, Jr, we won't have it over this.

The social conservative minority is VERY loud, but the truly crazy radicals are also very, very small in number.

Those kind tend to also believe in the magic bullet, fluoride as government mind control, and tinfoil hats. They do also tend to arm themselves into "militias".

As they are generally quite, quite stupid, they also get busted by the ATF.

Even if they did manage to band together somehow, that particular brand of crazy ONLY does ITS OWN kind of crazy. They will never play well together enough to become a cohesive, nation splitting threat. They just won't be able to create the charismatic leader needed to galvanize a whole state, much less many states.

The media capitalizes on our crazies because people like train wrecks. I'm seeing a big demand for change in the news agencies waaaaaaaay before I see anything like a civil war.

Ryan Seacrest would be a great comic character!

ObscureNameHere: Not trying to over-serious the thread here, but is the US heading for another civil war?

From north of the border here, it looks like you have a large minority of deeply social conservative voters who become out-of-touch with a more reasonable world-view with each passing year. I question the sustainability of a political system that has such entrenched and diametrically opposed elements. Functioning policy creation and execution relies on compromise -- which seems to be a word that doesn't exist among a significant wedge of the electorate.

The more battles the social conservatives lose, the more entrenched they will becoome, the more the rhetoric will be escalated (as if that were possible but I am sure some will try). How long before they get pushed to the point where the election of a president with certain modern social values makes entire states declare that the Union has lost 'the moral authority' to govern their state?

With that, the evangelical right's puppet strings pulled by the corporations and wealthy who have their bought and trained politicians keep the attention of the public on inane social issues/political theatre rather than the growing class divide and the fact that they have all but eliminated the power of the voter in elections, growing group of poor with less and less to lose and next to no voice in their government?

Yes, we are heading for one. If things do not turn around sharpish, I would say within the next 20 years.

Zombie DJ: wudu5: I really don't get why homosexuality is such a lightning rod for these people.

In the bible it does say that two men sleeping with each other is an abomination.
However a few verses later it says that people who commit adultery should be killed.

If you are keeping score (and I personally don't) it seems that adultery is worse than homosexuality since there is a severe punishment for the sin.

So why don't all the gay bashers try attacking all those who commit adultery including almost every TV series, tons of books etc. They will have so many more targets.

/I am religious (Jewish, modern orthodox if you want to give me a label)

I noticed Levitcus says: 20 Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbor's wife,
but 22 says Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination

It doesn't say carnally. So I can't spend the night with some dude who doesn't have a couch and that's the same thing as banging my neighbor?

You can't lie with him as you would a woman, so as long as you don't show your dick in his vagina God doesn't have a problem with it.

If meant it to mean something else, he'd have said something else, wouldn't he?

One Million Moms Moron

FTFY.

Zombie DJ: It doesn't say carnally. So I can't spend the night with some dude who doesn't have a couch and that's the same thing as banging my neighbor?

Well, since you can't treat mankind like womankind - just don't ask him to make you a sandwich

Hey guys, what's going on in here?

litespeed74: Ryan Seacrest would be a great comic character!

Don't you mean "...a faaaaabulous comic character"??

OFFS

Shouldn't they be off doing something else?
Like worrying about wearing men's clothing styles? Deuteronomy 22:5
Or mixing fabrics? Deuteronomy 22:11

No, they're busy behaving like this I Timothy 5:13
Maybe they believe in this Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT

Maybe they should take a lesson from Matthew 7:1-2.
Or from I Thessalonians 4:11
Or 1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Maybe they should be like this 1 Timothy 2:12


/see, anyone can quote the Bible and use it for their own agenda
//just pulled a bunch of quotes off the internet
///Bunch of whiny hypocrites with their panties in a wad, holding the sticks up their behinds
///As long as what you do doesn't involve children, animals or bad behavior IN PUBLIC (seriously, I don't care to see men and women dry humping in public any more than I want to see two guys or two women doing so) , then go right on ahead
///Equality. It's not just for white heterosexuals anymore

Their "issues" are hilarious.

Who knew liquid plumr could be so dirty...

It may be coincidence, but the man in produce is standing beside cucumbers with a price sign behind him reading 69 cents.


http://www.onemillionmoms.com/IssueDetail.asp?id=441

/I bet it's not a coincidence

FirstNationalBastard: Gunny Highway: FirstNationalBastard: Sorry, that was before the latest stupid reboot.

Some of those books (Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Batman) are pretty dang good.

And could have been done without a stunt and a big #1 on the cover.

So fark DC.

True. I have been reading comics for almost ten years now and always struggled with DC because I never know what was going on. The reboots sucked me in. I don't know i am the exception though

Andrew Wiggin: hobblekitty: Homosexuality in comics eh? It's a good thing OMM has never heard of this:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x400]

Chock full of all the straight sex, gay sex, incest, and pedophelia you could ever want, graphically illustrated for your convenience. (However poorly IMHO) and to make it worse, starring all your favorite childhood storybook characters!

/You gotta love Alan Moore

*heads to amazon.com*

/but no donkeys?

I don't recall there being any donkeys but it's been a while since I have read it so there may be. Dorothy does live on a farm after all... ;-)

ojntsa


the guy running the million moms website is such a queen.

Gunny Highway: FirstNationalBastard: Gunny Highway: FirstNationalBastard: Sorry, that was before the latest stupid reboot.

Some of those books (Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Batman) are pretty dang good.

And could have been done without a stunt and a big #1 on the cover.

So fark DC.

True. I have been reading comics for almost ten years now and always struggled with DC because I never know what was going on. The reboots sucked me in. I don't know i am the exception though

If you want to get acquainted with the pre-reboot DCU, go pick up the Seven Soldiers of Victory, or Batman and Son, or GL: Rebirth.

DeltaPunch: Dear One Million Moms,

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Sincerely,
Marvel Comics

I think you mean DC

spcMike: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Here's something from DC that includes sex

You don't happen to read Comics Alliance do you?

No. I assume they have a nice piece putting these lunatic biatches in their place? I'm not as into comics as I was in years gone by. Still appreciate them, but don't have as much time to read.

Pocket Ninja: Their FAQ page is pretty funny. This was my favorite part:

Shouldn't we thank a network for airing "good" shows like ABC's Home Makeover?
In very rare instances, OneMillionMoms recognizes shows that are free from sex, violence, and profanity. However, we must take into account the "dirty" shows that are promoted during commercial breaks, along with the overall tone of the network. Unfortunately, the networks, as a whole, are consistantly offensive to family viewing.

Their registration appears to be completely open to anyone who wants to invent a name and throw out a junk email address. I briefly debated whether there might be any entertainment value to this, but I think it would get tiresome quickly.

I could see it being fun for a weekend. Grab a case of beer and see how much hell you could raise. Just don't forget to get screenshots.

/multiple alts would surely make it better
//An organized FarkFest would be hilarious I'd think. split into 2 groups playing off each other in the forums.

genner: DeltaPunch: Dear One Million Moms,

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x405]
Sincerely,
Marvel Comics

I think you mean DC

You know not what what speak.
its a Marvel comic

genner: DeltaPunch: Dear One Million Moms,

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x405]

Sincerely,
Marvel Comics

I think you mean DC

The article said both, but yes DC is the one that made the announcement. As far as I'm concerned everybody should tell these religious groups to f*ck off.

MBK: One Million Moms is more like "40,000 moms that need to get laid"

Zombie DJ: genner: DeltaPunch: Dear One Million Moms,

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x405]
Sincerely,
Marvel Comics

I think you mean DC

You know not what what speak.
its a Marvel comic

SOMEbody didnt read the article.

/tsk
//tsk

It all boils down to economics.
Can Marvel make more money with this gay thing?

As a straight man, I have no issue with a character being gay if it's relevant to the story line. But don't do the Harry Potter and announce it years after the fact. It serves zero purpose other than to attention whore. SG: Atlantis, I'm looking at you too.

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Here's something from DC that includes sex (both consensual and non-consensual), a man murdering a woman who is pregnant with his child, a little girl being murdered, chopped up, and fed to dogs, a man having his head chopped to pieces with a meat clever, a major city being nuked, protestors being murdered, alcoholism, abusive relationships, an old man being thrown out a window to his death, animal being murdered and their bodies being used to terrorize their owner, and much more. It's also an awesome read, and the movie was pretty badass as well.

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Epic fail fanboy. The central pint of the comic was Ozymandias creating the alien scare for NYC, not multiple city nukings like the movie. Which I'm still confused about b/c the whole point of the Comedian getting killed in the book (and thus the genesis of the whole plot) was his accidentally seeing the 'alien' project in the works from a plane. How'd they fix that in the movie? (Honestly, I forget how they side stepped that).

No one has posted this yet??? Is it a slow day or something????

Victoly: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x222]

Hey guys, what's going on in here?



No idea, man.

KrispyKritter: OMM, Marvel and DC can ALL go fu(k themselves. the comic book cash-in kings are just cashing in on the Great Homo Trend. which is pretty pathetic when dealing with story telling art. story telling and art are supposed to come from inspiration and imagination, not from upper management Trendy McTrender and his want for very easy money.

what's next from Marvel & DC - a re-release of highly sought after (lul) Thomas Kinkade, Painter of Light scenes suitable for framing?

Who pissed in your cereal, King Geek? Comics aren't allowed to have real-world elements in them according to you? Did you forget that the X-Men have always represented the oppressed and attacked groups in America?

SkunkWerks: Victoly: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x222]

Hey guys, what's going on in here?

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No idea, man.

You're forgetting the Hemogoblin, the AIDS vampire.

PonceAlyosha: SkunkWerks: Victoly: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x222]

Hey guys, what's going on in here?

[th05.deviantart.net image 640x775]

No idea, man.

You're forgetting the Hemogoblin, the AIDS vampire.

That series was full of gems like that, wasn't it?

I always thought this was the first gay superhero?

wudu5: I really don't get why homosexuality is such a lightning rod for these people.

In the bible it does say that two men sleeping with each other is an abomination.
However a few verses later it says that people who commit adultery should be killed.

If you are keeping score (and I personally don't) it seems that adultery is worse than homosexuality since there is a severe punishment for the sin.

So why don't all the gay bashers try attacking all those who commit adultery including almost every TV series, tons of books etc. They will have so many more targets.

/I am religious (Jewish, modern orthodox if you want to give me a label)

They ignore everything that's not "Be anti-gay" that's (supposedly, due to faulty translation and unknown words we're not sure what exactly those verses mean) in the Bible. If they were true Christians, they'd be executing people left and right for eating seafood, wearing mixed fabric, planting more than one crop in the same plot, and allowing women to be within city limits while menstruating, to say nothing of all the straight people destroying the "sanctity of marriage" with all of the divorces, drive-thru marriages, and Britney Spears 55-hour joke marriage.

But no, it's only the homo that they fear and loathe. For some reason the idea of two men or women loving each other makes then shiat their pants as they screech like banshees into the wind.

Won't someone think?

Marvel had gay characters since he late 80s (Northstar). Me, I never cared for any relationships in comics, I want my superheros to kick ass, not get a piece of it

It's funny, now whenever I hear someone in the U.S. say "We as good Christians know that [insertXideology] is a sin" as a way to suppress free speech or free thought, or freedom to happiness, I can't help thing of the Taliban. Sad that they don't see the parallels.

shivashakti: Marvel's gay character Northstar has been out for nearly 20 years...

Came here to say this. Hey, One "Million" Moms, 1992 called.

hbk72777: Marvel had gay characters since he late 80s (Northstar). Me, I never cared for any relationships in comics, I want my superheros to kick ass, not get a piece of it

I'd get bored really quick if they did nothing but fight every single panel in every single issue. A good story has more than just HULK SMASH, it has Hulk life, Hulk thoughts, Hulk relationships, and Hulk problems. Which all lead into HULK SMASH.

Rich Cream: [superfriendsofdorothy.com image 348x533]

I always thought this was the first gay superhero?

Oh no:



There is no hot like Barda hot.

KrispyKritter: OMM, Marvel and DC can ALL go fu(k themselves. the comic book cash-in kings are just cashing in on the Great Homo Trend. which is pretty pathetic when dealing with story telling art. story telling and art are supposed to come from inspiration and imagination, not from upper management Trendy McTrender and his want for very easy money.

what's next from Marvel & DC - a re-release of highly sought after (lul) Thomas Kinkade, Painter of Light scenes suitable for framing?

Little known fact: Art and Literature (including comics and sci-fi) use contemporary issues as a foil for story telling. I know this is shocking, but really, it happens! Like in Action Comics, where Superman confronts Nazi like elements and bullies. Shocking I know!

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Epic fail fanboy. The central pint of the comic was Ozymandias creating the alien scare for NYC, not multiple city nukings like the movie. Which I'm still confused about b/c the whole point of the Comedian getting killed in the book (and thus the genesis of the whole plot) was his accidentally seeing the 'alien' project in the works from a plane. How'd they fix that in the movie? (Honestly, I forget how they side stepped that).

I remember Rorschach saw Jacobi at the funeral and went to visit him. Then it showed Jacobi telling him about waking up with Comedian drunk in his bedroom one night. Comedian was crying and spilling info about something he had realized or seen, and the place was bugged. I don't think the movie explained who Jacobi was, or how they knew each other, or exactly what Comedian had discovered that was so important it warranted having him killed. But it's been a while, so maybe it was explained and I don't remember... and I'm not a fanboy. Sorry for not remembering exactly what transpired in a movie I saw three years ago and how it differed from a book I read several years earlier.

As Christians, we know that homosexuality is a sin (Romans 1:26-27).

Just to keep things in perspective, CHRIST never said ANYTHING about homosexuals.

And wouldn't people with super powers be 'blasphemy' to the REAL Bible Thumpers? I don't see this as any different than saying that 'Harry Potter encourages Satanism and Witchcraft'. I mean, someone who can fly, can't die, can lift a truck, etc... Seems like that isn't exactly "following God's plan", and would count as "bad"...

baka-san: A project of the nonprofit American Family Association, which is designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center,

Congrats!

You have taken family values into the territory also occupied by Illinois Nazis!

I hate Illinois Nazis...