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(South Coast Today)   Curt Schilling strikes out 300 employees   (southcoasttoday.com) divider line 152
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2012-05-25 10:09:15 AM  
That doesn't seem like the way a Dwarven Paladin should behave.
 
2012-05-25 10:12:26 AM  
thenewscifi.com
RIP Peter Schilling
 
2012-05-25 10:12:33 AM  
I remember some moron claiming how this was a liberal hit on Schilling.

I'd just like to say to the person who said that, wherever you are, you suck cocks.
 
2012-05-25 10:12:49 AM  

HeartBurnKid: /there's a reason your credit card company is based in Rhode Island.


I think you have your tiny states confused.
 
2012-05-25 10:14:35 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Democrat != liberal.

This is Rhode Island we're talking about, so chances are good the governor at the time was a corporatist regardless of party. This does let Chafee off the hook, though.


how about the fact the loan was given out by Donald Carcieri, the former republican governor who was in his lame duck period (RI only allows so many consecutive terms as governor, so the guy couldn't even run again) and didn't give a crap anymore? Chafee actually spent time on the campaign trail (which is actually not that impressive a trail in RI) critisizing the loan and saying it should never been given out but Carcieri was buddies with Schilling so he did it anyway.

so yeah, this was a republican governor giving money to a republican job creator. the Dems were actively opposed to this every step of the way
 
2012-05-25 10:19:12 AM  

taoistlumberjak: I remember some moron claiming how this was a liberal hit on Schilling.

I'd just like to say to the person who said that, wherever you are, you suck cocks.

 
2012-05-25 10:20:25 AM  
Headline of the week
 
2012-05-25 10:20:26 AM  
At least Curt saved ASL.

Hope those laid off folks find work again real soon, I enjoyed KoA quite a bit.
 
2012-05-25 10:20:55 AM  

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: Just in case this foreknowledge helps anyone in the thread, you don't need to spend a billion dollars and hire 500 people just to knock out a quick DnD thing. There are engines to do the graphics already and it would probably suffice to send your best writers on a no questions asked "retreat" in Hawaii. Everything else can be done by interns with Ruby experience.


You know how I know you've never written a video game?

The next time you finish a game, instead of clicking through the credits and skipping them, take a good long look at exactly how many people it took to make that game.

You missed:

Graphics artists (because someone has to design concept art..)
3D modelers and animators (Someone has to take that concept art and make it move on screen)
Gameplay designers (Someone has to figure out if that sword should be +10 or +50 and determine how much it matters)
Music (Because silent games are so... never, actually. You pretty much have to have music in your game.)
QA (someone has to test it)
Localization (unless you're planning on limiting yourself to English speakers only)
Voice talent (unless you're writing a text-based adventure... good luck with that. Don't forget non-English versions)
Community Management (someone has to read all of the crap that players post on the forums and on Twitter)
Customer Service (Someone else has to listen to you whine when your account gets hacked)
Data center personnel (those servers don't run themselves)
IT staff (someone has to keep the computers and network running in the office)
Admin staff (someone has to write the checks and make sure everyone gets paid)
PR staff (someone has to deal with the press and make sure fans know about the game)

But yeah... Hiring a bunch of story writers, finding some code-monkey interns and licensing a 3D engine is all it takes to develop a video game. If that were true, Derek Smart would be a gazillionaire by now.

-Grim
 
2012-05-25 10:21:12 AM  
WTF is government doing in the venture capital business in the first place? Schilling is a douche for taking the money, but if he didn't Rhode Island would have given it to someone else. The people paying taxes are getting screw either way.
 
2012-05-25 10:21:23 AM  
is the thread where all the liberals pretend that government sponsored corporatism isn't the constantly championed as a necessary tool for economic development by liberals and democrats?
these are your ideas people.
no person on earth says no to free government money, but you ultimately believe in this shiat. you don;t get to pawn off your failed ideas just because douchebag in this case happens to be a republican. the city of Berkley California gives money away to corporations for goodness sake. this is what you believe in.
 
2012-05-25 10:23:32 AM  

Shoei: His company is almost done with their next game: Grand Theft Rhode Island


Sweeeeet. Do you get to drive through Cranston throwing clamcakes at cops?
 
2012-05-25 10:24:29 AM  

tlchwi02: HeartBurnKid: Democrat != liberal.

This is Rhode Island we're talking about, so chances are good the governor at the time was a corporatist regardless of party. This does let Chafee off the hook, though.

how about the fact the loan was given out by Donald Carcieri, the former republican governor who was in his lame duck period (RI only allows so many consecutive terms as governor, so the guy couldn't even run again) and didn't give a crap anymore? Chafee actually spent time on the campaign trail (which is actually not that impressive a trail in RI) critisizing the loan and saying it should never been given out but Carcieri was buddies with Schilling so he did it anyway.

so yeah, this was a republican governor giving money to a republican job creator. the Dems were actively opposed to this every step of the way


sure the governor did this through executive fiat. there was no enabling legislation written by a bunch of democrats or anything. this wasn't the law as written by democrats. listen, you don't get to champion government intervention constantly and then when a republican takes money claim this isn't what you support and helped create.
 
2012-05-25 10:24:54 AM  
The difference is, you claim NOT to believe in taking gubmint money, and yet here we are.
 
2012-05-25 10:26:12 AM  

Shoei: His company is almost done with their next game: Grand Theft Rhode Island


so that's what, 1 or 2 hours of gameplay tops?
 
2012-05-25 10:27:08 AM  

relcec: is the thread where all the liberals pretend that government sponsored corporatism isn't the constantly championed as a necessary tool for economic development by liberals and democrats?
these are your ideas people.


No this is the thread where we talk about another conservative republican sucking at the government teet while out of the other side of their mouth condemning such acts when other people do it.

But thanks for trying to divert people's attention from that fact.
 
2012-05-25 10:28:54 AM  

Lsherm: DROxINxTHExWIND: I guess its not welfare when Curt Schilling gets it. I wonder if this thread will have as many comments as the welfare queen thread from the other day.

Oh no - it's welfare. $75 million to a goddamn GAME studio??!!! That focuses on MMORPGs, an incredibly difficult market to break into?

Pure stupidity all around.


Plus they put the thing in New England where you have to pay everyone at least 100K, and they will still live in a washing machine carton. Can get the same thing done with a third of the salary outlay in the midwest. Not to mention real estate costs...

Why anyone opens businesses in the northeast or west coast, I will never understand. Destined to fail under it's own weight.
 
2012-05-25 10:29:53 AM  
I have a good friend that was part of that layoff. Said he really enjoyed working there and the other employees were great. I wish him the best at finding a new place to work - think what you want about Schilling himself, the money situation and gov't corruption, but he aggregated a bunch of talented people, gave them a living for a few years, and now they're all out of a job.
 
2012-05-25 10:30:58 AM  
Venture Capitalists: "Okay Curt, so we've taken a close look at your business plan and it sounds exciting but with all of my years of training and experience with risky business ventures, we're going to pass on investing in this one because it's just too much of a risk."

RI Government: "Hey, this sounds like a great idea. And think of all the jobs! Sure, we'll take money we forcefully collected from our citizens and give it to you so you can make it work."

Schilling: "Fantastic! Being a small-government conservative, I'd much rather fund my super-risky investment with taxpayer money than have to rely on those pain-in-the-ass VCs"
 
2012-05-25 10:32:04 AM  

relcec: sure the governor did this through executive fiat. there was no enabling legislation written by a bunch of democrats or anything. this wasn't the law as written by democrats. listen, you don't get to champion government intervention constantly and then when a republican takes money claim this isn't what you support and helped create.


the money was put out there to create jobs. The republican governor took 75 million (of 125 total) and gave it to a local celebrity to create a mere 450 jobs in a saturated market which he had no experience in. And why was he begging the RI governor? Because those ultra lefty, super bleeding heart demo-rats up in Taxachussetts had already gotten his petition for government assistance, did a full analysis, and decided he was a bad business risk for a government loan. That's right, the democrats wouldn't give him "government intervention" because he was a bad risk. so whats a proud job creator to do? oh, i know- go embrace his republican buddy for some good old fashion crony capatalism!

don't forget, as a republican your first order of business is to cash out all your personal investment in your company with tax payer money!
 
2012-05-25 10:32:40 AM  

Bobo_Spiewack: Lsherm: DROxINxTHExWIND: I guess its not welfare when Curt Schilling gets it. I wonder if this thread will have as many comments as the welfare queen thread from the other day.

Oh no - it's welfare. $75 million to a goddamn GAME studio??!!! That focuses on MMORPGs, an incredibly difficult market to break into?

Pure stupidity all around.

Plus they put the thing in New England where you have to pay everyone at least 100K, and they will still live in a washing machine carton. Can get the same thing done with a third of the salary outlay in the midwest. Not to mention real estate costs...

Why anyone opens businesses in the northeast or west coast, I will never understand. Destined to fail under it's own weight.


Gotta go where the talent is... How many video game industry folks work out of the midwest? You're pretty much limited to California, Austin, the Northeast, or MAYBE Atlanta.. (CCP and Hi Rez are both in ATL as well as Turner's Adult Swim which makes a ton of flash games)

-Grim
 
2012-05-25 10:33:27 AM  
Why not just divide the $75M among the 300 employees and call that a stimulus package? Why go through the motions?
 
2012-05-25 10:34:04 AM  
I'd really like to know how much Todd MacFarlane and R.A. Salvatore got paid for their work on the game, compared to the rest of the staff. How much did the big names cost on a game that looks like a cookie-cutter fantasy game?
 
2012-05-25 10:35:09 AM  
If it makes any of those employees feel better, the 38 Studios web site says they are hiring!
 
2012-05-25 10:35:50 AM  

relcec: is the thread where all the liberals pretend that government sponsored corporatism isn't the constantly championed as a necessary tool for economic development by liberals and democrats?
these are your ideas people.
no person on earth says no to free government money, but you ultimately believe in this shiat. you don;t get to pawn off your failed ideas just because douchebag in this case happens to be a republican. the city of Berkley California gives money away to corporations for goodness sake. this is what you believe in.


Yes, Chris Christie is a staunch liberal.
 
2012-05-25 10:36:51 AM  
1-2-3-4!
Hey, hey!
Ooh!
the kingdom is ransacked
the jewels all taken back
and the chopper descends
they're hidden in the back
with a message on a half-baked tape
with the spool going round
saying im back here in this place
and i could cry
and there's smoke you could click on
 
2012-05-25 10:37:40 AM  

GameSprocket: If it makes any of those employees feel better, the 38 Studios web site says they are hiring!



...people to move out all the unused furniture?
 
2012-05-25 10:39:49 AM  
I'm now even more sad I bought KoA. Didn't even finish it.
 
2012-05-25 10:40:06 AM  

Grimthorn: If that were true, Derek Smart would be a gazillionaire by now.


Oh man. I have not heard about that dude in a long time. Good stuff.
 
2012-05-25 10:40:29 AM  

CShake: I have a good friend that was part of that layoff. Said he really enjoyed working there and the other employees were great. I wish him the best at finding a new place to work - think what you want about Schilling himself, the money situation and gov't corruption, but he aggregated a bunch of talented people, gave them a living for a few years, and now they're all out of a job.


It sucks for them, but if they've been in a creative field for any length of time, they understand that's pretty much the nature of the beast in this industry...

For instance, I don't know a single fellow graphic designer who relies solely on one paycheck or client anymore. Even the friends I have who work in-house at a company still keep a small list of freelance clients. I've worked at 5 different studios or agencies in the last 2 years and have about 10 freelance clients I do periodic work for.

You've got to keep your fingers in a lot of pies these days...
 
2012-05-25 10:43:32 AM  

Lsherm: DROxINxTHExWIND: I guess its not welfare when Curt Schilling gets it. I wonder if this thread will have as many comments as the welfare queen thread from the other day.

Oh no - it's welfare. $75 million to a goddamn GAME studio??!!! That focuses on MMORPGs, an incredibly difficult market to break into?

Pure stupidity all around.


THIS. EA/Bioware dumped 300 million dollars into an established IP like Star Wars and the game already bled out 33% of its initial subscribers six months into the release.

If Curt Schilling wanted to be part of a video game, he should have asked to be part of the warcraft team, I dunno... as a spokesperson or something -- I know he's a big WoW fan and years back he would always be on Shattrah with his Dragon's Call epic sword. (That shiat has a stupid low drop rate)
 
2012-05-25 10:47:56 AM  

relcec: listen, you don't get to champion government intervention constantly and then when a republican takes money claim this isn't what you support and helped create.


Sure you can.

The interstate highway system was intended to make travel and trade between states easier, as well as permit a rapid internal military response in the case of invasion,

I think we can all agree that it's goal was laudable and well intended.

Trying to spend $398,000,000 on the Gravina Island Bridge is outside of the intent of the law, and was rightly mocked.
 
2012-05-25 10:53:42 AM  

ManRay: Grimthorn: If that were true, Derek Smart would be a gazillionaire by now.

Oh man. I have not heard about that dude in a long time. Good stuff.


I would really like to see him show up to a conference... a Q&A session with him would be legendary.

-Grim
 
2012-05-25 10:58:23 AM  
Curt should have just gone to project 1999 =)
 
2012-05-25 11:01:16 AM  
We're going to find out next year that he spent all that money and manpower secretly creating a virus that has but one purpose: hack into MLB2K13 and make every pitcher that's a real life Republican have a bloody sock on the mound.
 
2012-05-25 11:05:50 AM  
Kingdoms of Amlur wasn't a bad game, but the ludacris amount of money they paid for the writing was a joke.
 
2012-05-25 11:09:13 AM  

PanicMan: Scarrio: Apparently they needed 3 million units sold just to break even on Amalur. That's an almost ridiculous number of sales for a start-up's first title.

They probably needed that many to break even on buying Big Huge Games. Remember, the RI studio hasn't produced anything since it was created in 2006. Amalur was all BHG.


No way they spent that much on Big Huge games. They didn't even have the funding from MA at the time they acquired that studio. and a lot of the work on KOA was already done by that point.

There's no way they spent enough on the Reckoning to need to sell 3 million units, unless they're adding the development cost of their MMO in with it.

Bloody William: I'd really like to know how much Todd MacFarlane and R.A. Salvatore got paid for their work on the game, compared to the rest of the staff. How much did the big names cost on a game that looks like a cookie-cutter fantasy game?


1.46 million for Salvatore so far.
 
2012-05-25 11:11:53 AM  


Not every game requires an army ...


Very true. That's one reason that the MMO market is so hard to get into... It's one thing to develop a game. Quite another to have to maintain it and continuously add content to it. A single player game is a sprint. An MMO is a marathon. 38 started out working on an MMO. The first sign of trouble was when they decided to ship a single player game first. All of the "talent" they hired were MMO industry folks.
 
2012-05-25 11:16:18 AM  

taxandspend:

Not every game requires an army of employees to make.


You realize that's just the people who published it in NA in those credits right?
Moby games lists slightly more people...
 
2012-05-25 11:17:35 AM  
Does anyone want to see MY bloody sock?
 
2012-05-25 11:20:30 AM  

Grimthorn:
Gotta go where the talent is... How many video game industry folks work out of the midwest? You're pretty much limited to California, Austin, the Northeast, or MAYBE Atlanta.. (CCP and Hi Rez are both in ATL as well as Turner's Adult Swim which makes a ton of flash games)

-Grim


Doesn't Dallas have a game talent?
 
2012-05-25 11:27:09 AM  

Grimthorn: Not every game requires an army ...

Very true. That's one reason that the MMO market is so hard to get into... It's one thing to develop a game. Quite another to have to maintain it and continuously add content to it. A single player game is a sprint. An MMO is a marathon. 38 started out working on an MMO. The first sign of trouble was when they decided to ship a single player game first. All of the "talent" they hired were MMO industry folks.


Runic Games (Torchlight) would like a word with you.

/no actual clue how they're doing financially, but I had a blast with Torchlight and the T2 beta this week beat the shiat out of playing Diablo 3.
 
2012-05-25 11:37:43 AM  

relcec: is the thread where all the liberals pretend that government sponsored corporatism isn't the constantly championed as a necessary tool for economic development by liberals and democrats?
these are your ideas people.
no person on earth says no to free government money, but you ultimately believe in this shiat. you don;t get to pawn off your failed ideas just because douchebag in this case happens to be a republican. the city of Berkley California gives money away to corporations for goodness sake. this is what you believe in.


So I guess we are looking past all the subsidies that big oil gets? Or the right wingers who won't simply close tax loopholes on corporations because they can't raise taxes on, "job creators?"

I never comment on political items, so this is a first. I felt compelled to say, let's not be so blind to the fact that the republicans dole out money to corporations and hide it under a different guise.
 
2012-05-25 11:38:10 AM  

regindyn: Grimthorn: Not every game requires an army ...

Very true. That's one reason that the MMO market is so hard to get into... It's one thing to develop a game. Quite another to have to maintain it and continuously add content to it. A single player game is a sprint. An MMO is a marathon. 38 started out working on an MMO. The first sign of trouble was when they decided to ship a single player game first. All of the "talent" they hired were MMO industry folks.

Runic Games (Torchlight) would like a word with you.

/no actual clue how they're doing financially, but I had a blast with Torchlight and the T2 beta this week beat the shiat out of playing Diablo 3.


I'm still trying to figure out a way to return my digital copy of D3 because it's just so massively underwhelming.
 
2012-05-25 11:50:36 AM  

austin_millbarge: Lsherm: For all the bleating the libtards in this thread are doing about conservatives - the Democrats gave Schilling the money in the first place. So pretty much people as stupid as every liberal in this thread.

I was wondering how long it would take before some HERPA DERPA would blame Dems for this.

THEY FORCED HIM TO TAKE THE MONEY!!!!!

/you idiot.


You're the idiot. This is what happens when you think the government should be choosing winners and losers in the video game market, which right now is a position limited solely to libtards like yourself.
 
2012-05-25 11:54:04 AM  

bikerbob59: Can I blame Scott Walker for this?


No, but you can watch him like a hawk, since his party is full of hypocritical assholes.
 
2012-05-25 11:56:32 AM  
No offense to the dude (he clearly did have a level of passion for the topic), but this is what happens when you have MMO junkies create their impression of an ideal hack-and-slash, rather than having the guys who worked on top-tier fighting games and beat 'em ups see how they can take those lessons and turn them into an Action-RPG. Oh, well, none of you are playing Dragon's Dogma anyway, so you have no idea what I'm saying when I say you're missing out, and that Dragon's Dogma (like Demon's Souls and Dark Souls) is so ahead of the Fables, the Amalurs, and the Skyrims that I want to puke when I hear journlolists discuss the "death" of Japanese game development.
 
2012-05-25 11:57:59 AM  

CheatCommando: The Third Man: Another small-government conservative pocketing government cash and firing workers. Nothing to see here, folks.

This. RI needs to sue this douche.


While I hate defending the scumbag, I don't see that Schilling did anything illegal.

Perhaps RI could sue whoever drew up their contracts with him for malpractice, but I'd imagine the governor at the time was determined to bend over and give the ball star full access, so you can't even blame them.

Basically, the voters can look in the mirror if they want someone to blame. Meanwhile, they can break out their checkbooks...I think they're on the hook for MORE money.
 
2012-05-25 12:00:14 PM  
This was released on one of the forums:

"Hey folks!

Today was a rough day at the studio. After a long stretch of difficult circumstances, things finally came to a head, and this afternoon, we on the Reckoning team down in Maryland began to pack up our offices and say our goodbyes.

Before heading off to wherever I may land next, I first wanted to drop a quick word to you folks, the Reckoning community.

First, I just wanted to say thanks for all the well wishes today--this has been a pretty horrible time for those of us at both BHG and 38 Studios Providence--and we greatly appreciate the great display of compassion throughout the fanbase.

Second, on behalf of the Baltimore studio in particular, I just wanted to thank you all very much for your support over the past year, and for your enthusiasm for Reckoning. It has been truly humbling.

Third, I wanted to apologize for the lack of a patch for Reckoning. It's something we very much wanted to do, but various issues outside our control (which unfortunately I'm not at liberty to disclose) prevented us from doing so for a long time. Finally we received clearance to do a PC-only patch, which wasn't ideal (we wanted to do a patch on all platforms) but it was better than nothing. So we commenced working on that--working on everything from miscellaneous bug fixes to Joe Q's addition of new camera features to Dakota's addition of two new difficulty modes...but before we finished, the company collapsed. Now, barring some sort of miracle, it is highly unlikely that any patch for Reckoning will ever see the light of day. I am deeply sorry that we were unable to get a patch out the door sooner, before this catastrophe struck--you supported us, and you deserve the support yourselves. While I consider Reckoning a very strong game and not especially buggy, that's not the same as saying that it's perfectly balanced or bug-free, and it kills me that I'll never get the chance to correct any of its issues.

Once more, on behalf of Big Huge Games and the Reckoning development team, thank you for everything, and take care!

Ian S. Frazier
Lead Designer
Big Huge Games"
 
2012-05-25 12:03:32 PM  

relcec: is the thread where all the liberals pretend that government sponsored corporatism isn't the constantly championed as a necessary tool for economic development by liberals and democrats?
these are your ideas people.
no person on earth says no to free government money, but you ultimately believe in this shiat. you don;t get to pawn off your failed ideas just because douchebag in this case happens to be a republican. the city of Berkley California gives money away to corporations for goodness sake. this is what you believe in.


You're gonna need a citation on the Berkley thing, nothing popped on Google.
 
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