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2012-05-25 08:21:11 AM  

Mugato: Always comes down to this.


Maybe, but the airline has no more obligation or reason to accept your moral viewpoint on this issue than anybody's. It's all arbitrary and they have to balance the general consensus against a certain leniency that allows freedom for the outliers.

I would prefer that everybody just get over it and not get the vapors when they see a "bad word", but that's not how things are and I also think those of us who don't get into a snit over it have a sort of implicit obligation to not be dicks about it to people who don't want to see it.

There's nothing wrong with expecting a basic level of decorum in public, so I have no sympathy, really, for this idiot. When you run around making a point to be EXTREEEEEEME TO THE MAX and IN YO FACE with how cool and edgy you are, you ought to learn to expect a backlash from the vast majority who aren't attention whoring jackholes.

If you don't want things like this to happen to you, don't go out of your way to cause things like this to happen to you. Or at least don't be a whiny biatch about it when they do happen.
 
2012-05-25 08:21:53 AM  

I sound fat: a word that is not acceptable in public in this society.


Does this bother you on any level? It's slang for sex, not hate speech.

Same reason I have to hide my laptop when the video I'm showing suddenly has tits all over the place, but an ax to the head is just fine.
 
2012-05-25 08:22:32 AM  

Snarfangel: Why did HuffPo blur out the allegedly offensive word?


Because CENSORSHIP!
 
2012-05-25 08:26:06 AM  

RoyBatty: Any of you folks so outraged over the airline's behavior, why aren't you that upset with FARK's behavior?


We were upset, but we got over it.
 
2012-05-25 08:29:07 AM  

Splinshints: f you don't want things like this to happen to you, don't go out of your way to cause things like this to happen to you.


Yeah get back in line, Citizen.
 
2012-05-25 08:29:14 AM  
So to all you libs who would say it's all right for her to wear that shirt on the plane......would in be within MY free speech rights to loudly tell her what an ignorant c*nt she was for wearing it? Because I would do just that.....over and over and over and over......not because of the subject but because of the blatant use of the profanity in a public area where families with young impressionable children are. Frankly, I think the AIRPORT should have asked her to remove or cover the shirt. While I defend everyone's right to free speech, there is an appropriate and a non-appropriate time for it, all it takes is a little common sense, something a lot of people are lacking these days.
 
2012-05-25 08:31:40 AM  

basemetal: Meh, she was looking for a reaction and she got one.


Catch a different flight in a different shirt. Go be offensive somewhere else.
 
2012-05-25 08:32:33 AM  
For Chrissakes, enough with the farking children already.
 
2012-05-25 08:32:44 AM  

I sound fat: The woman KNEW that she was wearing a word that is not acceptable in public in this society.

You can argue all day long if it should be, but the bottom line is that it isnt, and EVERYONE knows it isnt. The ONLY reason to wear something like that is to get attention, and here we are giving it to her.


Everyone? Seems like you live in a bubble.

You see, the wonderful thing about culture, is that you can self identify with any you wish or make up your own. There are plenty of social circles in which the word fark is not only acceptable, it is expected.

You don't have to like it. But those who can't deal with expletives are, without exception, mentally challenged.

(No really, if your brain can't handle the use of such words and selectively process them, then you literally have a reduced mental capacity)
 
2012-05-25 08:32:58 AM  

BR549: c*nt


Well, barring the fact that you'd be a raging hypocrite, and the use of your profanity is meant to be derogatory slang for a person (i.e. hateful), where as f* is not, no i have no issue with you doing that.

And I think the word you're looking for is inappropriate.
 
2012-05-25 08:33:20 AM  
N word
F word

/Waits for the day when the news reports someone got in trouble for the Z word.
 
2012-05-25 08:34:35 AM  

Mugato: Gunderson: The plane is private property. If your son's girlfriend wore that shirt to Thanksgiving dinner at your house, you'd kick her out as well.

WTF does that even mean? It's a farking airplane. It's transit. Where'd Thanksgiving dinner come from?


It's an airplane that is owned by people that presumably have rights to use their private property as they wish. As owners of the plane they could require everyone to wear a red and yellow FARK shirt to be allowed on the plane, or they can prevent people from wearing shirts with words on them. It's their plane. They get to make the rules for that plane. Just like you get to make the rules for your house, on Thanksgiving or any other day. You can tell the neighbor he's not going to come in your home wearing his dirty wife-beater that says FARK on it. You can tell your daughter's boyfriend that he has to pull his pants up and put a belt on to come in the house.

/You don't have 1st amendment rights to say whatever you want on my property. THE END.
 
2012-05-25 08:34:41 AM  

RoyBatty: Bathia_Mapes: Also, some people access fark at work, hence the filters.

Drew wants people to access FARK at work so Drew can make more money hence Drew puts in filters.

American Airlines wants people that dislike the word FARK to come on board their airplanes(maybe with their kids) so AA can make more money hence AA puts in filters.


Kicking someone off the flight isn't really the equivalent of Fark's filters... It's more like if Fark banned everyone who posted a swear, rather than silently filtering it... If the airline placed a piece of tape over the word instead of kicking her off the plane, then you'd have a better point...
 
2012-05-25 08:35:47 AM  

vudukungfu: N word
F word

/Waits for the day when the news reports someone got in trouble for the Z word.


You realize there's a pretty big difference between an expletive and a racial epithet, right?
 
2012-05-25 08:37:51 AM  

simkatu: /You don't have 1st amendment rights to say whatever you want on my property. THE END.


I never said they did. And the shirt is obnoxious. All I said is that it was a dick move to throw her off the plane for it, especially after letting her on in the first place. It's an airplane. She wasn't invited to the farking White House.
 
2012-05-25 08:39:17 AM  
An open letter to those who think this is a travesty and a violation of First Amendment rights:

You're wrong. In pretty much every sense.

First Amendment protections restrict government actions, not corporate or private actions. Except for some very narrow exceptions, corporations and individuals have the right to conduct themselves and require certain conduct in areas they control. If you came over my house with that shirt, I'd ask you to remove it before entering, and refuse you entry if you didn't. Are you suggesting I don't have that right, and would be violating the First Amendment?

Do you know how far your rights go? They go right up to the point where they start infringing on others' rights, in this case the airlines' right to manage the product they sell.

Small children behave poorly because they have not yet developed understanding of and compassion for other people, so they don't realize how they are affecting other people. As they develop this awareness and consider it in choosing their actions, they demonstrate consideration for others, a key element in the maturity process. Sounds like a bunch of you need to grow up. The world is not your personal toilet, and not every moment is an appropriate time for behavior offensive to others.
 
2012-05-25 08:40:29 AM  

simkatu: /You don't have 1st amendment rights to say whatever you want on my property. THE END.


In principal I agree with the rest of what you said about it being a private company (even if they're offering public transportation). This is why it's pretty useless to complain about the TSA infringing on your privacy rights, because flying on an airplane is a matter of personal choice, not a right. You are agreeing to subject yourself to their searches and their rules when you buy the ticket.

The last part is factually incorrect, though. First amendment rights still exist. You just can't have them arrested for it. Though, I suppose you could kick them off your property, and if they persisted, then call the police.
 
2012-05-25 08:41:36 AM  

gulogulo: principal

principle

FTFM
 
2012-05-25 08:42:21 AM  

Mugato: She had no reason to believe she'd be kicked off the plane.


Oh please.

I completely agree with the sentiment of this shirt, but you honestly believe this woman isn't absolutely thrilled by what happened?

This is exactly the kind of reaction she was looking for and she got it. Now she can go write a blog about how f*cking oppressed she is.

She's an asshole, plain and simple. And I have no problem with assholes getting kicked off planes.
 
2012-05-25 08:43:02 AM  

Priapetic: An open letter to those who think this is a travesty and a violation of First Amendment rights:


Jesus Christ, no one said anything about the 1st Amendment. Or if they did they're stupid.
 
2012-05-25 08:43:41 AM  

Mugato: Splinshints: f you don't want things like this to happen to you, don't go out of your way to cause things like this to happen to you.

Yeah get back in line, Citizen.


Its a private plane, not your personal soapbox. Maybe half the passengers don't care, maybe 1/3 even think its funny and would laugh. Its still not your plane or your say what is and isnt allowable. If you can't comprehend it isnt "public free speech" its a private plane with rules set by an airline, perhaps you should not board.
 
2012-05-25 08:44:48 AM  

Priapetic: The world is not your personal toilet, and not every moment is an appropriate time for behavior offensive to others.


You realize that this statement here opens up a different argument about 'when did we acquire the right not to be offended?'
 
2012-05-25 08:46:13 AM  

sigdiamond2000: She's an asshole, plain and simple. And I have no problem with assholes getting kicked off planes.


Well, if I had it that way, it'd only be on the flight.
 
2012-05-25 08:47:28 AM  
I agree completely with the sentiment and love the shirt but the f* word is still, last I knew, profanity. I don't see any evidence that the airline was censoring the political statement.

Just show a little common courtesy for the other people on the planet, FGS. Hard as this may be to believe, the universe does not revolve around you.
 
2012-05-25 08:48:42 AM  
gulogulo:
Well, barring the fact that you'd be a raging hypocrite, and the use of your profanity is meant to be derogatory slang for a person (i.e. hateful), where as f* is not, no i have no issue with you doing that.

And I think the word you're looking for is inappropriate.



Ahh, yes, I can almost visualize you giving a little sniff of superiority as you corrected my little faux pas! Admittedly, I probably would not issue the afore mentioned profanity.....just shed a lone tear over the moral decline and desensitization of our society......there should be a happy medium, we're all on this boat together.
 
2012-05-25 08:49:15 AM  

gulogulo: In principal I agree with the rest of what you said about it being a private company (even if they're offering public transportation).


Yeah, but it gets a bit tricky with things like airlines and raillines, because they're heavily government subsidized... They're not just purely commercial entities operating privately... I doubt anyone would complain about her getting kicked out of Wal-Mart for wearing the shirt... But, Wal-Mart isn't being paid by the government to stay open even if there are no shoppers, and isn't given an army of government employees to serve as their security force, and doesn't have the government paying to build and operate their buildings and parking lots...
 
2012-05-25 08:49:27 AM  

gulogulo: You realize there's a pretty big difference between an expletive and a racial epithet, right?


only one of them offends people?
 
2012-05-25 08:50:15 AM  

Pert: Exaggerate much?

The minute that American Airlines come round your house and start dictating what you can and can't wear then you might have a point. Until then, welcome to a world in which private companies are allowed to set rules regarding appropriate behaviour and dress on board their property, especially when that behaviour or dress may adversely affect their other paying customers, and double especially when their published rules give you fair warning of what is and isn't acceptable.

Want to get from A to B? Wear whatever you like and drive in your car or choose to use a private company to get you there and abide by their rules.


I came here to say ... what Pert said.
 
2012-05-25 08:52:42 AM  
b>gulogulo: sigdiamond2000: She's an asshole, plain and simple. And I have no problem with assholes getting kicked off planes.

Well, if I had it that way, it'd only be on the flight.


it'd only be me on the flight
 
2012-05-25 08:53:31 AM  

gulogulo: Priapetic: The world is not your personal toilet, and not every moment is an appropriate time for behavior offensive to others.

You realize that this statement here opens up a different argument about 'when did we acquire the right not to be offended?'


It's not about the "right not to be offended," it's just about not being a f*cking asshole. A modicum of decency. It's not much to ask. And I'm no prude by any stretch.

Like I said in the redlit thread about this a couple days ago, the kind of people who defend this woman are the kind of people who thinks it's OK to swear loudly in front of old people and kids at sporting events. Yeah, I guess it's your right to do so as a paying customer, but by doing so you're essentially telling everyone within earshot that you're a dispassionate failure at life.
 
2012-05-25 08:54:52 AM  

BR549: I can almost visualize you giving a little sniff of superiority


It was just a little one, I promise.
 
2012-05-25 08:55:24 AM  

Priapetic: An open letter to those who think this is a travesty and a violation of First Amendment rights:

You're wrong. In pretty much every sense.

First Amendment protections restrict government actions, not corporate or private actions. Except for some very narrow exceptions, corporations and individuals have the right to conduct themselves and require certain conduct in areas they control. If you came over my house with that shirt, I'd ask you to remove it before entering, and refuse you entry if you didn't. Are you suggesting I don't have that right, and would be violating the First Amendment?

Do you know how far your rights go? They go right up to the point where they start infringing on others' rights, in this case the airlines' right to manage the product they sell.

Small children behave poorly because they have not yet developed understanding of and compassion for other people, so they don't realize how they are affecting other people. As they develop this awareness and consider it in choosing their actions, they demonstrate consideration for others, a key element in the maturity process. Sounds like a bunch of you need to grow up. The world is not your personal toilet, and not every moment is an appropriate time for behavior offensive to others.


Did you have to be taught not to kick a pregnant woman?
 
2012-05-25 08:56:38 AM  
her luggage was checked and "changing shirts without spending money wasn't an option."

Couldn't she just turn the shirt inside out?
 
2012-05-25 08:59:30 AM  
This is a cool story:
I was walking through Harvard Square, which was characteristically filled with touristy families. Two slacker teens were skateboarding down a ramp. The first one tried a jump and fell down. He then yelled, "F#@%!!! I think I broke my a$$!"
Then the other one tried it with the same result. They both lay there shrieking obscenities.
I walked over and looked down at them and said quietly, "Wow, you guys are really good at skateboarding." And, do you know, it shut them right up.
 
2012-05-25 09:00:09 AM  

sigdiamond2000: f*cking asshole.


My point is that to one person that makes you a farking asshole, and to the next it may not. Societal norms are going to change, and while you may consider using the fark as making something your personal toilet, some may not see it that harshly. I'm not disagreeing with you that right now the norm is predominantly that the fark isn't appropriate to shout out in front of children. Though, there was a time when wearing a certain style of swimsuit wasn't either.

To take a more extreme example, say that someone is offended by someone praying loudly in public. Is the person praying the asshole?
 
2012-05-25 09:00:39 AM  

Mugato: Splinshints: f you don't want things like this to happen to you, don't go out of your way to cause things like this to happen to you.

Yeah get back in line, Citizen.


You already previously acknowledged that this was the decision of a private company setting standards on its own property. Why are you reverting back to the implication that this is somehow a government boot heel issue?

If you don't want trouble on private property, adhere to the guidelines set by the owner of the property. I have no obligation, nor should I, to tolerate any behavior on my property that I don't want to tolerate, why should this private company?

I'll never get this attitude people like you have that you have more rights than anybody else. Many of the rights you enjoy on public property end at the property line where they are subsumed by the property owner. This is fair because the property owner has his or her own rights that take precedence while you choose to be on their property. If you don't like it, stay the hell out of other people's property.
 
2012-05-25 09:00:52 AM  

Pert: ..."American may refuse to transport you, or may remove you from your flight at any point"....


Blimey that's extreme, it's a good thing they didn't notice the shirt at 35,000 feet ;)
 
2012-05-25 09:02:49 AM  

Feral Duhbya: I walked over and looked down at them and said quietly, "Wow, you guys are really good at skateboarding." And, do you know, it shut them right up.


Do you think they got your message about your disapproval of their use of obscenities, or do you think you might have just came across as really farking creepy?
 
2012-05-25 09:03:44 AM  
You wear that T shirt for attention, nothing more. They're a private business, they can do what they want.

But let's keep pretending we care about this attention whore.

/pro-choice
 
2012-05-25 09:03:55 AM  

gulogulo: To take a more extreme example, say that someone is offended by someone praying loudly in public. Is the person praying the asshole?


Yes.

Attention whoring is one of the most common indicators of assholishness.
 
2012-05-25 09:04:44 AM  

hasty ambush: She no doubts welcomes government in her womb if it involves making others (like the taxpayers) pay for what she does with her womb.

Do what you want with your body; be fat, pregnant, smoke, sexually promiscuous or whatever. Just do not demand that the tax payers accept the financial burden of what you decide to do or the consequences of what you decided to do.

If you do not want government control, do not accept government funding, it is that simple. It is stupid to accept money form somebody and not expect there to be conditions attached to its use.


It's also stupid to think this fight is about tax payers paying for abortions or birth control.
 
2012-05-25 09:07:17 AM  

serial_crusher: her luggage was checked and "changing shirts without spending money wasn't an option."

Couldn't she just turn the shirt inside out?


Turning the shirt inside out without raising her hands was not an option.
 
2012-05-25 09:08:38 AM  
gulogulo: BR549: I can almost visualize you giving a little sniff of superiority

It was just a little one, I promise.




LOL, you sure it wasn't actually a snort?
 
2012-05-25 09:09:20 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Attention whoring is one of the most common indicators of assholishness.


So, someone peacefully practicing their religion in the way that they see fit makes them an asshole to you. I bet to other people he's not, and simply a good -insertreligionofchoicehere-. Say, those saffron robes of the Dalai Lama call a LOT of attention to who and what they are, hence, an asshole, yes?

I'm not a religious person, and this isn't an argument for religion. My point is that we don't get to eject who we personally feel are assholes from our purview because it's so subjective. Legally, a private company can, but do so at their own peril.
 
2012-05-25 09:10:08 AM  

gulogulo: To take a more extreme example, say that someone is offended by someone praying loudly in public. Is the person praying the asshole?


No, he's a Pharisee.
 
2012-05-25 09:10:56 AM  

voodoolady: It's also stupid to think this fight is about tax payers paying for abortions or birth control.


Well, that's what happens when you're hasty.
 
2012-05-25 09:12:21 AM  

gulogulo: sigdiamond2000: f*cking asshole.

My point is that to one person that makes you a farking asshole, and to the next it may not. Societal norms are going to change, and while you may consider using the fark as making something your personal toilet, some may not see it that harshly. I'm not disagreeing with you that right now the norm is predominantly that the fark isn't appropriate to shout out in front of children. Though, there was a time when wearing a certain style of swimsuit wasn't either.

To take a more extreme example, say that someone is offended by someone praying loudly in public. Is the person praying the asshole?


Yes.

forladiesbyladies.com
 
2012-05-25 09:13:04 AM  

BR549: gulogulo: BR549: I can almost visualize you giving a little sniff of superiority

It was just a little one, I promise.



LOL, you sure it wasn't actually a snort?


More of a cackle, really, and a rubbing of my hands.
 
2012-05-25 09:13:26 AM  
The woman is a ass.
So what.
The flight crew is assinine.
So what.

But, calling this a "safety" issue is a chickenchit lie.

I hate liers worse than I hate asshats.
 
2012-05-25 09:14:28 AM  

vudukungfu: N word
F word

/Waits for the day when the news reports someone got in trouble for the Z word.


Well, Zaphod's just this guy, you know?
 
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