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2012-05-24 11:39:32 PM
The date assumes Christ was born in 1CE. There's some debate about the year.
 
2012-05-24 11:56:30 PM

simplicimus: The date assumes Christ was born in 1CE. There's some debate about the year.


FTFY. Religious texts written centuries after their subjects supposedly lived are not a scientific primary source.
 
2012-05-24 11:56:31 PM
I am more interested on the day Bat Man was born. Now there is a likable fictional character
 
2012-05-24 11:58:18 PM
Interesting. April 3rd was my dad's birthday.
 
2012-05-25 12:00:33 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: The date assumes Christ was born in 1CE. There's some debate about the year.

FTFY. Religious texts written centuries after their subjects supposedly lived are not a scientific primary source.


The New Testament was written centuries after Christ lived? That's interesting.
 
2012-05-25 12:09:03 AM

Pocket Ninja: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: The date assumes Christ was born in 1CE. There's some debate about the year.

FTFY. Religious texts written centuries after their subjects supposedly lived are not a scientific primary source.

The New Testament was written centuries after Christ lived? That's interesting.


Well, there are gospels attributed to contemporary witnesses (Mary Magdalene, Peter and Thomas), but they got cut at the Council of Nicaea. (Didn't fit in with the approved narrative) But the 4 Gospels in the NT are 100 or so years after the events.
 
2012-05-25 12:12:44 AM

Pocket Ninja: The New Testament was written centuries after Christ lived? That's interesting.


simplicimus: But the 4 Gospels in the NT are 100 or so years after the events


Or more. And have been endlessly massaged and rewritten.
 
2012-05-25 12:13:46 AM

simplicimus: But the 4 Gospels in the NT are 100 or so years after the events.


Really. Wow, that's interesting, too. Maybe time went faster back in those old days.
 
2012-05-25 12:14:52 AM
Scientists pinpoint when an earthquake happened. That is all.
 
2012-05-25 12:15:15 AM

smells_like_meat: Or more.


Or less.
 
2012-05-25 12:17:40 AM
so we're just going to assume that there was no such thing as dramatic flair back then?
 
2012-05-25 12:19:12 AM

thomps: so we're just going to assume that there was no such thing as dramatic flair back then?


I wonder. I remember watching some goofy show once, that tried very hard to come up with a "scientific" or plausible explanation for walking on water, such as a hidden layer of ice or something. And yeah, I was just wondering "Maybe a plausible explanation is that it didn't actually happen."
 
2012-05-25 12:22:11 AM

Relatively Obscure: smells_like_meat: Or more.

Or less.


Or before.
 
2012-05-25 12:27:59 AM

smells_like_meat: Pocket Ninja: The New Testament was written centuries after Christ lived? That's interesting.

simplicimus: But the 4 Gospels in the NT are 100 or so years after the events

Or more. And have been endlessly massaged and rewritten.


I'm still waiting for Ridley Scott's "New Testament: The Final Cut" to come out.
 
2012-05-25 12:30:57 AM

goatleggedfellow: I'm still waiting for Ridley Scott's "New Testament: The Final Cut" to come out.


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It's too bad he won't live. But then again, give it a few days.
 
2012-05-25 12:31:39 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: The date assumes Christ was born in 1CE. There's some debate about the year.

FTFY. Religious texts written centuries after their subjects supposedly lived are not a scientific primary source.


The earliest texts of the NT were written 30 years after his death, not hundreds. However, the article fails to understand that there is no way Jews of that era would have killed Jesus on a Friday.
 
2012-05-25 12:34:32 AM

goatleggedfellow: I'm still waiting for Ridley Scott's "New Testament: The Final Cut" to come out.


I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Chariots on fire off the outskirts of Dothan.
 
2012-05-25 12:40:44 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: The date assumes Christ was born in 1CE. There's some debate about the year.

FTFY. Religious texts written centuries after their subjects supposedly lived are not a scientific primary source.

The earliest texts of the NT were written 30 years after his death, not hundreds. However, the article fails to understand that there is no way Jews of that era would have killed Jesus on a Friday.


But if the Romans did it wouldn't that make it kosher?
 
2012-05-25 12:41:26 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: The date assumes Christ was born in 1CE. There's some debate about the year.

FTFY. Religious texts written centuries after their subjects supposedly lived are not a scientific primary source.

The earliest texts of the NT were written 30 years after his death, not hundreds. However, the article fails to understand that there is no way Jews of that era would have killed Jesus on a Friday.


But the Romans wouldn't care. However, death by crucification usually took days, not hours. So He had to die on a schedule that would allow him to be interred before sunset.
 
2012-05-25 12:45:05 AM

simplicimus: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: The date assumes Christ was born in 1CE. There's some debate about the year.

FTFY. Religious texts written centuries after their subjects supposedly lived are not a scientific primary source.

The earliest texts of the NT were written 30 years after his death, not hundreds. However, the article fails to understand that there is no way Jews of that era would have killed Jesus on a Friday.

But the Romans wouldn't care. However, death by crucification usually took days, not hours. So He had to die on a schedule that would allow him to be interred before sunset.


True, however if the account that he was found "before dawn on the first day of the week (Sunday)" is to be reconciled with the traditional "3 days 3 nights" in the tomb, then it pushes it back to Thursday death (before dusk) at the latest, meaning "Good Friday" is not even a holiday, either way.

/shrug
 
2012-05-25 12:45:16 AM

simplicimus: But the Romans wouldn't care. However, death by crucification usually took days, not hours. So He had to die on a schedule that would allow him to be interred before sunset.


Maybe he passed out and some jerk speared him in the liver. Probably hated how he could always look on the bright side of life.

/Or maybe that was someone else.
 
2012-05-25 01:02:42 AM
Read more at http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858502408/#rMyX0Oi3wq 10bY2o.99
Oops, I am lazy.
 
2012-05-25 01:35:46 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom:

True, however if the account that he was found "before dawn on the first day of the week (Sunday)" is to be reconciled with the traditional "3 days 3 nights" in the tomb, then it pushes it back to Thursday death (before dusk) at the latest, meaning "Good Friday" is not even a holiday, either way.

/shrug


Yeah, the math is a little hinky.
 
2012-05-25 01:46:18 AM
So Noah was elbows deep into beastiality for 40 days and nights and Jesus only got be a zombie for 40 days. So which one was god's son, anyway?

/they both got rickrolled
 
2012-05-25 01:51:48 AM

Pocket Ninja: simplicimus: But the 4 Gospels in the NT are 100 or so years after the events.

Really. Wow, that's interesting, too. Maybe time went faster back in those old days.


That would explain the 6000 year old earth!
 
2012-05-25 01:53:39 AM

simplicimus: The date assumes Christ was born in 1CE. There's some debate about the year.


Didn't you read the article? It's "A.D."

/surprised secular, communist, Christian hating MSNBC would use that outdated term.
 
2012-05-25 01:53:52 AM
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Link is hot
 
2012-05-25 01:55:55 AM

goatleggedfellow: smells_like_meat: Pocket Ninja: The New Testament was written centuries after Christ lived? That's interesting.

simplicimus: But the 4 Gospels in the NT are 100 or so years after the events

Or more. And have been endlessly massaged and rewritten.

I'm still waiting for Ridley Scott's "New Testament: The Final Cut" to come out.


Is it still going to have Jesus' annoying voiceover?
 
2012-05-25 01:56:39 AM

cman: I am more interested on the day Bat Man was born. Now there is a likable fictional character


Most scholars conclude Jesus, like Buddha and Mohammad, was a real person. This does not validate all the is written about Him, but to calling Jesus fictional goes against the opinions of most historians.
 
2012-05-25 01:59:31 AM
Yes, yes. So some guys calling themselves scientists think that maybe there might have possibly been an earthquake sometime within a decade that sorta accords with the story of Jesus's cruxifiction. Or something.

But really guys, lets spend out time on something worthwhile!

Like pinpointing some good solid information regarding the weight of Thor's Hammer. I mean, not even the Hulk could pick it up!
 
2012-05-25 01:59:34 AM

propasaurus: Scientists pinpoint when an earthquake happened. That is all.


Amen.
 
2012-05-25 02:00:23 AM

Corporate Self: Most scholars conclude Jesus, like Buddha and Mohammad, was a real person. This does not validate all the is written about Him, but to calling Jesus fictional goes against the opinions of most historians.


Bollockry. This simply isn't true. It is an untruth, if you will. Argumentum ad authoritum is pretty stupid.

Bugger this, beer.
 
2012-05-25 02:00:41 AM
They got this from Varve Records? Never trust the recording industry.
 
2012-05-25 02:00:48 AM

simplicimus: But the 4 Gospels in the NT are 100 or so years after the events.


Well we know the Gospel of Matthew was written somewhere in the ballpark of 80 CE. We have a letter that dates to about 20 years later that references it. As for Mark, that was about 70 CE, a bit after. And John was last, somewhere between 90 and 100. Though there's some debate as to whether that's when it was actually written or whether or not that's just when the final version was written.
 
2012-05-25 02:00:53 AM

Corporate Self: cman: I am more interested on the day Bat Man was born. Now there is a likable fictional character

Most scholars conclude Jesus, like Buddha and Mohammad, was a real person. This does not validate all the is written about Him, but to calling Jesus fictional goes against the opinions of most historians.


Just look at all the things written about Chuck Norris.
 
2012-05-25 02:00:56 AM
The synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) indicate that Jesus died before nightfall on the 14th day of Nisan, right before the start of the Passover meal.
John's gospel differs from the synoptics, apparently indicating that Jesus died before nightfall on the 15th day of Nisan.


But the Bible is the 100% true word of God, so the 14th and the 15th were THE SAME DAY!

With God, anything is possible!
 
2012-05-25 02:02:09 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: The date assumes Christ was born in 1CE. There's some debate about the year.

FTFY. Religious texts written centuries after their subjects supposedly lived are not a scientific primary source.


You, sir, are an apostate.. a misanthrope...a cur.
 
2012-05-25 02:02:09 AM
Jesus and his schick again! It's been 200o years already! Get over it! lol
 
2012-05-25 02:02:35 AM
Too much blasphemy here. Some things just should not be joked about.
 
2012-05-25 02:02:54 AM
Goddamit, go away Jesus!
 
2012-05-25 02:03:05 AM

Corporate Self: cman: I am more interested on the day Bat Man was born. Now there is a likable fictional character

Most scholars conclude Jesus, like Buddha and Mohammad, was a real person. This does not validate all the is written about Him, but to calling Jesus fictional goes against the opinions of most historians.


[Citation]
 
2012-05-25 02:03:34 AM

Buffet: Too much blasphemy here. Some things just should not be joked about.


You'll get over it.
 
2012-05-25 02:04:07 AM
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2012-05-25 02:06:07 AM
Luke's source material were eyewitnesses, including Jesus' mother.
 
2012-05-25 02:06:16 AM

simplicimus: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Benevolent Misanthrope: simplicimus: The date assumes Christ was born in 1CE. There's some debate about the year.

FTFY. Religious texts written centuries after their subjects supposedly lived are not a scientific primary source.

The earliest texts of the NT were written 30 years after his death, not hundreds. However, the article fails to understand that there is no way Jews of that era would have killed Jesus on a Friday.

But the Romans wouldn't care. However, death by crucification usually took days, not hours. So He had to die on a schedule that would allow him to be interred before sunset.


simplicimus: Yeah, the math is a little hinky.


That doesn't work out either. The Gospels make it quite clear that Jesus was crucified on the "Day of Preparation" immediately preceding the Sabbath (Friday morning into afternoon, since the Sabbath would start that evening − indeed, the whole point of the Roman soldiers coming along and breaking the legs of the two thieves crucified alongside Him was to hasten their deaths [by preventing them from pushing up with their legs against the pain of the feet-nail, relieving pressure on the chest from the weight of the body being supported by the arms at such an angle, and allowing both lungs and heart to continue functioning] so that they could be buried before sundown which would start the Sabbath! Jesus was already dead, allegedly of His own will, so the soldiers didn't break his legs, supposedly fulfilling a prophecy that not one bone would be broken [as was also required for the sin offering sacrificial lamb in the Mosaic Law, which Jesus's Atonement was supposed to be the ultimate version of]), and that the Resurrection happened early in the morning (at the very latest just after sunrise) on the first day of the week (Sunday).

The Sign of the Prophet Jonas (Jonah), which Jesus Himself said was the one and only sign that would be given as to the truth of His Resurrection, fails! In all four Gospel accounts! Two of them don't even allow for three days and two nights, even if you allow that a single second of a daytime or nighttime counts as a whole daytime or nighttime!

Oh, the Roman soldiers did that leg-breaking thing because the Roman Empire gave at least lip-service respect to the local religions of their subject peoples, to help prevent uprisings over religious fervor (that didn't work out so well in the case of the Jews). So, if you were condemned to be crucified and were in Judaea, Samaria, or Galilee, you'd better hope to be crucified on a Friday! Because, yes, it normally took days, not hours, unless you were "lucky" enough to be crucified on Friday (or, barring that, at least Thursday so at least your agony would only last a little over one day) so that they'd shorten your death agony to prevent a Jewish uprising in religious outrage over dead bodies remaining unburied on the Sabbath.

You Christians do realize that all of this also means that Jesus, far from having suffered the worst death of anyone ever, actually got off easy as far as the physical agony of crucifixion was concerned, right? Even the thieves with Him got off comparatively easy (compared to those crucified earlier in the week − Heaven help you if you were crucified on a Sunday!), but He got of even easier than them, having "given up the ghost" before His legs would've been broken!

So what was so great about His suffering that it enabled paying for the sins of everyone?
 
2012-05-25 02:06:18 AM

Buffet: Too much blasphemy here. Some things just should not be joked about.


There's no blasphemy here.

propasaurus: [Citation]


You really don't think the existence of Jesus is accepted as real by most historians?
 
2012-05-25 02:06:45 AM
Good...Now can Easter stand the Fark still and be on the same date every year, please?
 
2012-05-25 02:06:56 AM

phrawgh: Pocket Ninja: simplicimus: But the 4 Gospels in the NT are 100 or so years after the events.

Really. Wow, that's interesting, too. Maybe time went faster back in those old days.

That would explain the 6000 year old earth!


Sun used to go around the earth also, until we figured out telescopes and God decided (in his infinite wisdom) to give us some more room to explore. It's just like when god made the earth round so Columbus wouldn't fall off and gave us that big empty continent full of things to exploit.
 
2012-05-25 02:07:32 AM
Praise Jeebus.
 
2012-05-25 02:07:46 AM
Christian: "Lord, hear my prayer..."

God: "I'm not in right now, but if you leave a message, I will never get back to you. Beep."
 
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