Where I'm from we call this "having an older brother."

Tied up and ignored for video games? Kid's gonna have the lamest bondage fetish ever.

15 years later....

"Yeah, baby, tie me up whilst you play your video games... it makes me hot!"

/perfect Farkette?

What game was he playing?

In fairness, what exactly was he supposed to do? Just let the little brat roam freely about the house??

Bathia_Mapes: They didn't arrest the child's mother for failing to assist her?

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goatleggedfellow: Where I'm from we call this "having an older brother."

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How is hiring a babysitter not child abandonment in today's anti-parent culture?

Leaving your kid in he care of some other kid? That's TERRIBLE and DANGEROUS!

I'm in favour of duct tape also, especially since you can put it over the kid's mouth to keep it quiet.

Don't ever ask me to babysit.

JUST GIVE ME MY JEWELRY AND LET ME GO

Waiting for the 'baby duct-taped to the wall' pic...

Also, what's the over/under on how long until the media blames this neglect/abuse ON the 'violent video games'? (Gotta love how they never specify what game the person is playing...)

They try to describe how horrible the injuries from the rope are in the article and all I can think is "Yeah those are bruises deary. They go away in a couple of weeks."
/I known a couple of kids that should have been ties up just so they would sit still.
//Then again he would have just chewed through the ropes and would haven then kept running.

ladyfortuna: Also, what's the over/under on how long until the media blames this neglect/abuse ON the 'violent video games'? (Gotta love how they never specify what game the person is playing...)

there is a weird line between dealing with kids who can't be controlled and child endangerment. what would be reasonable behavior if the state had custody sometimes becomes criminal when parents do it. solitary confinement is a common method of control in juvenile facilities across the country.

Benton woman accused of locking child in bedroom
Thursday, April 26, 2012
Southeast Missourian
(Photo)
BENTON, Mo. -- Scott County authorities say a Benton mother faces child endangerment and tampering charges after she allegedly locked her child in a bedroom at night by screwing a piece of plywood over the door. Brenda Daniels, 30, is charged with four counts of first-degree child endangerment and two counts of tampering with a victim. Walter said in a news release that his office began working with the state's child services division in an abuse investigation that revealed Daniels was locking the child in the bedroom. Walter said her alleged action would have prevented the child from having a proper escape route in the event of a fire or emergency. Daniels was in custody late Tuesday with a $2,500 cash-only bond.

I use zip ties. Much quicker. Very efficient!

[HEADLINE:] English, second language, problem,not. Supposed baby torture!

relcec: solitary confinement is a common method of control in juvenile facilities across the country.

Facilities which also provide toilets in the confinement area, class-A fire ratings, and emergency evacuation procedures. Facilities that are already authorized by the criminal justice system to involuntarily confine said children.

If things are so bad that mechanical restraints are necessary, maybe it's time to seek a second opinion. Parents already have almost unchecked power over the activities of their children; it doesn't seem unreasonable to require a disinterested opinion before a parent is allowed to literally board up their child.

/ Also note all the arguments against solitary confinement even for adults in prison, let alone children in their own home -- most people deal poorly with isolation.

WordyGrrl: "Stay-at-home dads" represent!

I got nothing. Being a stay at home dad rocks, except for the kids desire to go outside.

I couldn't even successfully keep my kid in a pack and play (I guess playpen is no longer P,C.) Three baby gates late and my once man cave is now a 20X40 play room. She still wants to leave the house despite having littered the only room with 6.1 sound and a 50" LCD screen with thousands of baby toys. Damn kids! Give them 800 sq ft of prime real estate and they still want to go out in the big blue room, don't they understand geek dads don't react well to sunlight.

Activision has a new warning label to put on its product. "DIABLO 3: MAY CAUSE YOU TO TIE YOUR BABY UP AND FORGET ABOUT HER."

The friend is a snitch!

Matthew Keene: I use zip ties. Much quicker. Very efficient!

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What I wouldn't have given to be able to just tie my little brother to a kitchen chair and forget about him. Unfortunately the little snot was Houdini reborn and managed to escape every damn time.

That headline made my brain hurt.

I hope this little girl's violent felon dad reads this.

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I WAS SO GONNA POST THAT

According to the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office, the victim said she was watching television on May 17th, when 27-year-old Heath Howe tied her up with rope and left her in the kitchen while he played what the victim described as violent video games.

Precocious little fark, isn't is? "Offica, he wah playyeen, and he wah playyeen violent video games!"

Why not just plop the kid in front of TV like a normal parent or babysitter? Why the bondage? Some serious repressed issues at play.

jumpin: Why not just plop the kid in front of TV like a normal parent or babysitter? Why the bondage? Some serious repressed issues at play.

Playing a video game requires all one's attention. The child could have wandered off unnoticed and got hurt.

I think I'm changing my mind about the nature of compulsive video gaming. Yeah, for some people it is right up there with compulsive gambling. This is classic addict behavior.

Someone watching sports wouldn't have tied the kid up. Would have gotten pissed as hell at the kid's interruptions--might have yelled at or hit the kid--but wouldn't have tied the kid up. Tying the kid up so the kid can't get in the way of engaging in the compulsion--that's an addict pursuing a fix.

I'm wary of labeling things "addictions" because the term gets way overused (IMO), partly as a cop-out excuse. Either by the "addict" or by people who know him or her and want to label cruddy behavior "sickness." Or it gets used by people who don't like other people's vices and want another crowbar to beat them over the head with.

But in this case, the guy acts like an addict. Not excusing him. Actually the contrary--I'm saying any changes he makes are strictly short term no matter what he promises unless he gets treatment for being farked the hell up--dump his ass. His promises may seem--and be--as sincere as hell, but without major life changes he won't be able to keep them.

goatleggedfellow: Where I'm from we call this "having an older brother."

Tied up and ignored for video games? Kid's gonna have the lamest bondage fetish ever.

Or older sister. Hell, when I was 7, I was forced to babysit my infant brother and mentally retarded sister while my mom went to the grocery store. I'd leave my brother in a playpen and tie my sister to a chair with a jump rope and we would watch tv. That was the '70's though. And my parent's suck.

I don't know of there's another story on this somewhere that has more details, but what are the relationships here? is he family? is he the mothers boyfriend? why did the moms FRIEND have to be the one that untied the kid? was the friend the one that called in child services?

/typing on phone, but go ahead and judge my spelling, grammar anyway :P

Julie Cochrane: I think I'm changing my mind about the nature of compulsive video gaming. Yeah, for some people it is right up there with compulsive gambling. This is classic addict behavior.

Someone watching sports wouldn't have tied the kid up. Would have gotten pissed as hell at the kid's interruptions--might have yelled at or hit the kid--but wouldn't have tied the kid up. Tying the kid up so the kid can't get in the way of engaging in the compulsion--that's an addict pursuing a fix.

I'm wary of labeling things "addictions" because the term gets way overused (IMO), partly as a cop-out excuse. Either by the "addict" or by people who know him or her and want to label cruddy behavior "sickness." Or it gets used by people who don't like other people's vices and want another crowbar to beat them over the head with.

But in this case, the guy acts like an addict. Not excusing him. Actually the contrary--I'm saying any changes he makes are strictly short term no matter what he promises unless he gets treatment for being farked the hell up--dump his ass. His promises may seem--and be--as sincere as hell, but without major life changes he won't be able to keep them.

I think you're overanalyzing this one, he's just a selfish asshole. I'll bet this guy would tie her up if he were watching sports. She was probably running around like every other four-year-old would and he probably kept saying, "stop running around and getting in my way or I'll tie you up", to which she said something like, "oh yeah, you're not my dad" and then he figured he had to follow through.

As far as "treatment" goes, as you mention it's going to take a major impact on some aspect of his life he truly cares about in order to change... in this case, a few ass-kickings and being generally shunned by everyone who knows him might do the trick, but I wouldn't hold my breath. He has that douchebaggy look about him that enough women will like enough to think it's worth the 0.5% chance that he'll change for them.

Oh, for crap's sake. Can't tie 'em to a chair? Can't duct-tape 'em? Can't handcuff 'em to the radiator? Can't glue 'em to the ceiling?

I'm learning a LOT from this thread.

/Gotta go, kids have chewed through their chains again. Next they'll start gnawing on the bars of the cage, dammit.

You shouldn't tie up children light that, but I understand..

So.. is this better or worse than the various situations where folks didn't notice their kids walking out the front door while they were busy playing World of Warcraft? Those kids were picked-up wandering around the front street.

Neither should have happened, obviously, but.. better or worse?

I'm guessing the mom didn't move to untie the kid because she was making a beeline to assault the idiot who was playing the game. The fact that it's noted in there at all, is probably because the report said the friend freed the girl.

The media hears that and says "oh wow.. as a parent, I would have immediately freed the girl. Maybe mom's just as bad!"

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relcec: solitary confinement is a common method of control in juvenile facilities across the country.

Facilities which also provide toilets in the confinement area, class-A fire ratings, and emergency evacuation procedures. Facilities that are already authorized by the criminal justice system to involuntarily confine said children.

If things are so bad that mechanical restraints are necessary, maybe it's time to seek a second opinion. Parents already have almost unchecked power over the activities of their children; it doesn't seem unreasonable to require a disinterested opinion before a parent is allowed to literally board up their child.

/ Also note all the arguments against solitary confinement even for adults in prison, let alone children in their own home -- most people deal poorly with isolation.


not sure how any of that makes solitary ok, not as a judicialy instituted punishment, but simply as a method of control when the state does it.
better fire ratings? that's really what you are gonna go with?

goatleggedfellow: Where I'm from we call this "having an older brother."

Tied up and ignored for video games? Kid's gonna have the lamest bondage fetish ever.

Pretty much. I used to tie up / duct tape my little brothers all the time. Sometimes it would take them hours to get free.

relcec: profplump SmartestFunniest 2012-05-25 04:52:21 AM


relcec: solitary confinement is a common method of control in juvenile facilities across the country.

Facilities which also provide toilets in the confinement area, class-A fire ratings, and emergency evacuation procedures. Facilities that are already authorized by the criminal justice system to involuntarily confine said children.

If things are so bad that mechanical restraints are necessary, maybe it's time to seek a second opinion. Parents already have almost unchecked power over the activities of their children; it doesn't seem unreasonable to require a disinterested opinion before a parent is allowed to literally board up their child.

/ Also note all the arguments against solitary confinement even for adults in prison, let alone children in their own home -- most people deal poorly with isolation.


not sure how any of that makes solitary ok, not as a judicialy instituted punishment, but simply as a method of control when the state does it.
better fire ratings? that's really what you are gonna go with?

It's not okay. However, in a juvie facility, a solitary confinement area has video or something so that the prisoner is not unobserved.

The crucial safety issue is you never leave a restrained person unattended, ever. (Unless they are rigged so they can get themselves out fairly easily, in which case they aren't really restrained, they're only "restrained.")

Solitary confinement really isn't okay. It's one of those last resorts you use when someone is physically dangerous to others, or to a limited extent when someone is in physical danger from others.

The problem with someone who's physically dangerous to others is that your choices other than solitary for how to handle them are even worse: 1) You can go with chemical restraints---making someone a drooling zombie and keeping them that way is not good for their brain. 2) You can go with physical restraints and tie them to a chair or bed or something--this causes a physical stress reaction and basically if you keep someone in physical restraints like that on an ongoing basis you're just asking for them to die of a heart attack from an enlarged heart. It may take a few months, but being strapped to a chair or a bed 24/7-ish is a Very Bad Thing for someone's health.

I guess if you're going to be stuck in solitary confinement, the best thing is to be psychotic. At least you've got somebody to talk to.

D'you know how to play hide and seek?
To find me it would take you a week,
But tied to a chair you won't go anywhere
There's a lot I can do with a freak.

relcec: If things are so bad that mechanical restraints are necessary, maybe it's time to seek a second opinion. Parents already have almost unchecked power over the activities of their children; it doesn't seem unreasonable to require a disinterested opinion before a parent is allowed to literally board up their child.

We put key-only deadbolt locks on the doors to outside. For awhile when our daughter was about four or five, she had started just blithely walking outside without saying anything to either parent, whenever she felt like it. No parental instruction to the contrary seemed to be making a dent in her little head. (Inherited stubborn from both parents.)

It just took a little while of having the doors locked to build a habit into the kid of asking first before playing in the big blue room. After we'd gotten her used to the rules and the right way to arrange to go outside and play, we were able to keep a key to the deadbolt by the front door so in an emergency like a fire anybody could still get out.

Sometimes your kid goes through a phase that needs some kind of physical restraint, but it needs to be a real short phase, and it needs to be a restraint that passes the sanity sniff test.

I think the problem is a lot of times when you get the parents involved in these horror stories, the parents don't quite pass the sanity test. Like the morons that were having their kids sleep in the dog cages because the dog cages were the only place in the trailer that didn't have dog poo and junk all over them. "It made sense at the time."

/front door had decorative stained glass, needed keyed deadbolt because burglars.

relcec: there is a weird line between dealing with kids who can't be controlled and child endangerment. what would be reasonable behavior if the state had custody sometimes becomes criminal when parents do it. solitary confinement is a common method of control in juvenile facilities across the country.

Benton woman accused of locking child in bedroom
Thursday, April 26, 2012
Southeast Missourian
(Photo)
BENTON, Mo. -- Scott County authorities say a Benton mother faces child endangerment and tampering charges after she allegedly locked her child in a bedroom at night by screwing a piece of plywood over the door. Brenda Daniels, 30, is charged with four counts of first-degree child endangerment and two counts of tampering with a victim. Walter said in a news release that his office began working with the state's child services division in an abuse investigation that revealed Daniels was locking the child in the bedroom. Walter said her alleged action would have prevented the child from having a proper escape route in the event of a fire or emergency. Daniels was in custody late Tuesday with a $2,500 cash-only bond.

You really don't see the difference?

relcec: not sure how any of that makes solitary ok, not as a judicialy instituted punishment, but simply as a method of control when the state does it.
better fire ratings? that's really what you are gonna go with?

I'm not saying it's okay. Generally speaking I think it's a bad plan for both children and adults no matter who does the confinement.

All I'm saying when the state does it they do it with the permission of society, and under conditions designed to ensure physical safety, rather than some crazy parent doing it under their own authority and in a way that can lead to physical harm.

Julie Cochrane: We put key-only deadbolt locks on the doors to outside.

And locked yourself in as well. That's a major difference, IMHO.