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(ABC)   Old and busted: Low-carb junk food. New hotness: Gluten free junk food   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 27
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2012-05-24 07:52:15 PM  
4 votes:

Modguy: The My Little Pony Killer: How exactly is that silly?

Presumably because Gluten free is becoming Faddish. I've seen a lot of raging Hipsters/people my age buy Gluten free because derp. And I asked if they had a Gluten allergy, and they said no. The entire thing is mind numbing.


Yeah, but those people are a lot of the reason why people who actually do suffer from celiac disease have an easier time finding food they can actually eat nowadays.
2012-05-24 08:18:56 PM  
3 votes:
The 29-year-old architect's assistant was never actually tested for a gluten allergy or diagnosed with associated celiac disease. But after complaining to her chiropractor, he suggested she immediately eliminate any products that contained gluten -- the protein in wheat, barley or rye flour.

That's a metric sh*t-load of dumb packed into those two sentences.
2012-05-24 11:11:59 PM  
2 votes:

MayContainHorseGluten: Modguy: The My Little Pony Killer: How exactly is that silly?

Presumably because Gluten free is becoming Faddish. I've seen a lot of raging Hipsters/people my age buy Gluten free because derp. And I asked if they had a Gluten allergy, and they said no. The entire thing is mind numbing.

True, there are many jackasses who go gluten free because they think its a diet. It's not.

That said, the allergy is hugely on the rise. Or rather, the proper diagnoses of it. Now that the tests are easier, and the doctors are better educated about when to look for it, more are finding out they are either all the way celiac or gluten-intolerant.

But it's one allergy/whathaveyou that you don't want. I don't get why anyone would voluntarily avoid gluten, there's plenty who can't have it who'd love to eat it...


I think the other part of the allergy being on the rise part is that the wheat we eat today is very, VERY different than the wheat people were eating 100 years ago, or even 50 or 40 years ago. What we think of as flour is not what people would have thought of as flour except very recently. The way that wheat has been bred, and the way that flour is being processed to make those super duper soft baked goods is very recent, as is the amounts that we are eating it. Since gluten is important in determining how baked goods come out, it's primarily been the gluten that's been messed around with. Modern wheat is being intensively bred to be more and more glutenous.

Allergies are pretty weird things. I have some allergies were I was fine, fine, fine, ate some specific fruit one day that I'd eaten hundreds of times before, broke out in a nice rash and then have ever since. Sometimes once something is triggered, some food item has a higher amount of something in it than it usually does, your immune system gets triggered so that it not only reacts to that, but to smaller amounts of the same thing or other similar things. So I guess what I'm saying is that while I bet diagnosis is getting better, I'm also guessing this is a response to the change in diet, and that people aren't able to digest the new form of wheat as well as the historical one, which still took our ancestors some getting used to.

And yeah, there will always be bandwagon freaks, but I think this is a serious dietary issue we need to look at, one of many. If you really dig down, what the average American eats is pretty scary, as is the way our dietary changes came about, as is the lack of knowledge from the average person about what's in their food or where it came from or how it got processed into its current form.
2012-05-24 10:40:14 PM  
2 votes:

rebelyell2006: Walliser: The reasoning was that humans' ability to digest wheat gluten is a relatively recent evolutionary adaptation and that compared to other foods, we're still relatively inefficient at digesting it (using more resources and blocking ready digestion of other nutrients).

If you think about it, pretty much any food other than nuts, berries, fruits and unprocessed meat would be difficult to digest, since agriculture is only about 12,000 years old.


*Groan*

The biggest issue I have with paleo is that our ancestors lived all over the farking place. It's not like my paleolithic Scandinavian ancestors were chowing down on farking avocados or carrots or jicama, yet these are a-OK for paleo. What?!

If you're going to come up with a dietary regime based on adaptability to the human digestive system, I'm all for it. Just don't drown it in pseudo-evolutionary biology...
2012-05-25 11:33:02 AM  
1 votes:

SoxSweepAgain: BioStormX: I'm trying Gluten Free right now because I've heard it can help with psoriasis in some people. No clue if it'll help mine but at this point I'll try anything.

Good luck with that. Yeah I'm sure it's gluten.

/(Rolls eyes)


I know this is Fark and all, and facts play only a small part in these threads, but it might be worth a minute of your time to do a GIS on the possible connection between psoriasis and gluten-sensitivity. Sorry if the facts don't mesh with your preconceived notion of reality.
2012-05-25 07:46:27 AM  
1 votes:
People that need gluten free everything are attention whores that never should have been able to survive outside the womb. These pansies need to either toughen up or just die off already.

NOT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE GLUTEN FREE, YOU STUPID, LAME, BROKEN farkS!
2012-05-25 07:45:26 AM  
1 votes:
There are a phenomenal amount of retards in this thread who have stumbled on a traditional low carb diet and think they're losing weight because they're "gluten-free." It isn't the gluten - you just aren't eating complex carbohydrates. You don't have an allergy, you're just farking retarded.
2012-05-25 02:25:51 AM  
1 votes:
Also this: ts4.mm.bing.net
2012-05-25 12:49:04 AM  
1 votes:
As to the article, well, I'm all for any fad that results in a wider variety of food choices for people like me.

More to the point, though, people who don't have to exclude it from their diet (for whatever reason) usually don't realize how pervasive it is in virtually everything that isn't fruits, vegetables, and meats. Chocolate (barley malt extract often used as flavor agent), coffee (some manufacturers dust their production lines with flour to help the beans move more freely), anything with "seasoning" in the ingredient list, anything made with malt vinegar, TVP, (US derived) MSG... the list goes on and on and on. Hell, even some cornstarch and powdered sugar has flour added to help with pourability or some stupid thing.

You need to read the label of everything you buy and you need to know exactly what each and every ingredient is - if you don't know, you don't buy it.

If that weren't enough, you need to consider whether or not the apparently GF product you hold in your hands is made on the same production line as a product that DOES contain gluten. Or does the manufacturer produce another gluten-containing item in the same room? Cross-contamination is a biatch and something Celiacs ALWAYS have to be wary of - this is an even more significant issue when dining out. The labelling standards in Canada are a bit tougher than in the US - a product cannot claim to be GF if it is produced under the same roof as gluten-containing products. Makes for some interesting labeling results for US GF products imported into Canada.

Cross contamination is the main reason why the labels in TFA are a good thing. Yeah, no one would expect a plain potato chip to be anything BUT GF, but the more important question is what other flavors of chips are made on the line beside it? Is it made on the same line as the wheaty-barley-ohs? Were they fried in the same oil as the sun chips? That's where it becomes important.
2012-05-25 12:14:19 AM  
1 votes:

revrendjim: I have a bottle of shampoo that prominently says "Gluten Free." If eating shampoo is causing you gastrointestinal distress, I guess it's nice to know it's not the gluten.


Highly sensitive Celiacs have nasty skin reactions to cosmetic products that contain gluten.

/Celiac
2012-05-24 11:01:24 PM  
1 votes:

SwiftFox: MayContainHorseGluten: TommyymmoT: Doesn't eating strictly gluten free food contribute to vitamin deficiencies in normal people?
I don't know, I'm just asking.

No, you're thinking of veganism or something like that. Gluten can come in stuff with nice nutrients (though rarely vitamins) but gluten itself is not really helpful or harmful to the non-gluten-intolerant.

Wheat's protein level kind of sucks without the gluten.


Gluten was the principal protein source for the Roman Empire, and hence Western Civilization, which makes it kind of ironic to see white people treating it like poison.
2012-05-24 10:46:19 PM  
1 votes:

TommyymmoT: MayContainHorseGluten: Modguy: The My Little Pony Killer: How exactly is that silly?

Presumably because Gluten free is becoming Faddish. I've seen a lot of raging Hipsters/people my age buy Gluten free because derp. And I asked if they had a Gluten allergy, and they said no. The entire thing is mind numbing.

True, there are many jackasses who go gluten free because they think its a diet. It's not.

That said, the allergy is hugely on the rise. Or rather, the proper diagnoses of it. Now that the tests are easier, and the doctors are better educated about when to look for it, more are finding out they are either all the way celiac or gluten-intolerant.

But it's one allergy/whathaveyou that you don't want. I don't get why anyone would voluntarily avoid gluten, there's plenty who can't have it who'd love to eat it...
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I've wondered about that.
5 years ago, you heard the word "celiac", pretty much never, and now, there are entire supermarket aisles devoted to it.
Same with peanuts. When I was growing up, I didn't know a single person with a peanut allergy, and now, I see signs warning of their presence even more than I used to those signs warning that a microwave was in use.

I am in no way questioning whether these conditions are legit, I'm just wondering why there is such a spike in reported cases.

Might the reason be environmental? Different diagnostics?


Diagnosis. Same reason Autism is up. Plus most of those peanut allergy kids used to just die in the olden days which is why old folks always bullshiat that "they never knew anyone like that in school".
2012-05-24 10:41:16 PM  
1 votes:

MayContainHorseGluten: revrendjim: I have a bottle of shampoo that prominently says "Gluten Free." If eating shampoo is causing you gastrointestinal distress, I guess it's nice to know it's not the gluten.

That's hilarious.


Actually, a lot of shampoos have wheat ingredients and some celiacs really are that sensitive.
2012-05-24 10:35:38 PM  
1 votes:

vossiewulf: I'm kinda like the first person in the article, have been suffering for years from bad stomach acid/cramping problems, tried all sorts of OTC and prescription drugs with limited success, and finally out of a lack of things to try said what the hell let's try cutting out gluten. I got much better within a couple weeks, and it's stayed better for a year now. I don't give a crap about the derp, all I care about is my stomach is better. And I'm not extreme about it, I will eat gluten if nothing else reasonable is available, I just don't make a habit of it.

IMO it's worth a try if you have unexplained or not fully controlled gastrointestinal problems. If you don't, you're just being faddish.


Same here. I was tested for celiac but it came out negative, but it was one of the things I experimented cutting out because I had a bunch of brutal and hideous GI symptoms. It didn't make much of a difference in my case, so I still eat wheat now and then. But I don't see the point of eating something if it causes gastro or other health problems, and there's nothing healthy about diets high in refined starches to start with.

Calling yourself a celiac if you're not is obnoxious, but there really are plenty of people who have non-allergic food intolerances. And since they're probably the experts on their own intestinal issues I think everyone else should mind their own business...
2012-05-24 10:34:07 PM  
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: Snatch Bandergrip: I'm not allergic to gluten, but I stayed away from it for a month and dropped 30 pounds. And it wasn't just from avoiding carbs or sugar, which tend to go hand-in-hand with gluten; I was consuming them regularly. Just avoiding bread and other stuff with wheat in it caused me some serious deflation.

So fark the haters. I miss pizza and beer, but I miss a flat stomach more.

I highly doubt gluten alone was responsible for you burning an extra 105,000 calories in a month.


To lose that many calories in a month you'd nearly need to DIAF. ;)
2012-05-24 10:32:54 PM  
1 votes:

knbber2: Because gluten is the stuff that makes chips and snacks delicious.


Uh, usually no it's not. Wheat in chips makes no sense. Usually chips do not have gluten anyways, unless they're the whole wheat "health" ones, or MSG has been added. Gluten is rarely the tasty part, its the filler part. You can't taste gluten.
2012-05-24 10:31:39 PM  
1 votes:
I was diagnosed with celiac disease about a year and a half ago (getting scoped sucks). Even in that short time the explosion in available gluten free food on the market is amazing. The funny part is, of all the other people I know who actually have celiac disease, almost none of them (myself included), eat much commercially prepared food at all - regardless of whether it's supposedly gluten free.
2012-05-24 10:25:34 PM  
1 votes:

Modguy: The My Little Pony Killer: How exactly is that silly?

Presumably because Gluten free is becoming Faddish. I've seen a lot of raging Hipsters/people my age buy Gluten free because derp. And I asked if they had a Gluten allergy, and they said no. The entire thing is mind numbing.


True, there are many jackasses who go gluten free because they think its a diet. It's not.

That said, the allergy is hugely on the rise. Or rather, the proper diagnoses of it. Now that the tests are easier, and the doctors are better educated about when to look for it, more are finding out they are either all the way celiac or gluten-intolerant.

But it's one allergy/whathaveyou that you don't want. I don't get why anyone would voluntarily avoid gluten, there's plenty who can't have it who'd love to eat it...
2012-05-24 10:08:28 PM  
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: I sincerely hope that eating a gluten free diet when it's not necessary will cause pancreatic cancer. Weapons grade willfull stupidity deserves to hurt that bad


Pal, with rage issues like that, you may need to cut certain foods out of your diet.
2012-05-24 10:01:56 PM  
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: I sincerely hope that eating a gluten free diet when it's not necessary will cause pancreatic cancer. Weapons grade willfull stupidity deserves to hurt that bad


Do not will pain upon others, friend.

You knock on a door you don't want to open.

;)
2012-05-24 09:55:14 PM  
1 votes:
Gluten gleeben glotten globan.
2012-05-24 09:49:35 PM  
1 votes:
FTA: But after complaining to her chiropractor, he suggested she immediately eliminate any products that contained gluten -- the protein in wheat, barley or rye flour.

Oh for fark's sake, why not ask a real doctor and get tested? You can get acid reflux a number of ways, including by eating too many carbs. If that's the case, she's going to be in for a nasty surprise when she eats a big bag of potato chips.
2012-05-24 09:41:23 PM  
1 votes:
As someone with a loved one with a gluten allergy, what concerns me a little is the inevitable derp-fest backlash might result in a special preparation request being accepted by a server and ignored by someone on the food prep staff who thinks it's all "hipster bullshiat".
2012-05-24 09:35:59 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Modguy: The My Little Pony Killer: How exactly is that silly?

Presumably because Gluten free is becoming Faddish. I've seen a lot of raging Hipsters/people my age buy Gluten free because derp. And I asked if they had a Gluten allergy, and they said no. The entire thing is mind numbing.

Yeah, but those people are a lot of the reason why people who actually do suffer from celiac disease have an easier time finding food they can actually eat nowadays.



Truth in a small space. My husband has celiac disease, and our lives have been so much easier in the last five years or so.


On the other hand, because it's in vogue, it's still as expensive as ever: just more widely available. As a huge treat, he bought himself a small frozen pizza yesterday: the 8" kind you can get for less than $3 at any grocery store. For him, the gluten-free version: $9.99.


On the third hand, it's probably closer to the actual cost of real, domestic food without fillers or bizarre manufacturing processes, but still: ouch.
2012-05-24 09:35:36 PM  
1 votes:

Modguy: The My Little Pony Killer: How exactly is that silly?

Presumably because Gluten free is becoming Faddish. I've seen a lot of raging Hipsters/people my age buy Gluten free because derp. And I asked if they had a Gluten allergy, and they said no. The entire thing is mind numbing.


Yep. I recently spoke with a state certified nutritionist who told me that the actual percentage of people who have this allergy is around 1%.
2012-05-24 07:52:17 PM  
1 votes:
Because gluten is the stuff that makes chips and snacks delicious.
2012-05-24 07:40:16 PM  
1 votes:
How exactly is that silly?
 
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