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2012-05-24 09:27:18 PM  

rickycal78: findthefish: I had not seen the reboot with Eccleston and Tennant, but I'm watching it now and I think Eccleston is quite good. I'm interested to see how Tennant is.

Tennant is decent enough, but he was given a lot of bad material. Some pretty damned good stuff too, but a whole mess of retarded fan wanking crap.


Bah, I found the Tennant eps far superior to the Smith ones.

But the Eccleston ones were the best written/directed.

The Tennant years had some true stinkers, but there were some absolutely brilliant ones as well. I loved the high energy he brought, and how different they made 10 from 9.

Eccleston brought a real jaded, cynical quality to the role, which Tennant slowly circles back round to. I do wish Eccleston had agreed to at least one more season, but thems the breaks.

I would have love love LOVED Eccleston with Catherine Tate.

And if Tennant's were filled with fan wanking crap WTF was River Song if not ripped straight from fanfiction.net?
 
2012-05-24 09:27:38 PM  

Skyfrog: That is until RTD turned him into emo Jesus.


Tennant's episodes and Torchwood too definitely have this Jesus thing going through them where DW/Jack keep on dying for our sins.
 
2012-05-24 09:30:31 PM  

EngineerAU: SweetSilverBlues: Torchwood is where they went berzerkynuts. It wasn't enough to have one or two bisexual and one or two gay, no, EVERYONE was bisexual.

It's been a while since I've watched Torchwood but who was gay besides Jack (who really could be called pansexual)? Ianto was bi and then there was the guest star who was Jack's old boyfriend that was gay but other than that, wasn't everybody else straight? Maybe the two women from the original Torchwood were lesbians? Certainly not major characters.


Pretty much every character had a gay moment or two. Tosh had that alien girl, Owen had that moment in one of the early episodes with that spray that made people fall for him. I can't remember Gwen in a bi moment but I'm fairly sure she had one.
 
2012-05-24 09:32:48 PM  

Skyfrog: In Tennant's first episode I couldn't stand him, his faked English accent was so bad at first but he got better at it and soon grew on me. Plus it always takes me a while to warm up to a new actor in the role. That is until RTD turned him into emo Jesus. I think Smith is definitely my favorite of the new series now, as much as I dreaded him after seeing the previews. He is so great in the role and he reminds me a lot of Patrick Troughton in a way.


This! Tennant is a good actor, and Doctor, but my farking god did he turn out in the end of what the Doctor is not suppose to be. He is whiny, and doesn't give a crap if he regenerates or not, but this time he does? Really? Eccleston is my favorite Doctor of the reboot, because he was a bad ass. He was full of anger, and rage, but at the same time had a soft side. He cared about Rose, but put her in her place when she did something stupid. I have to say now though Smith might be the best Doctor overall, he can go to old man to child in .1 second. It's pretty damn amazing.

Also RTD can't write for shiat, but he can come up with some good ideas. I know some people acted or thought Eccleston hated the gayness that RTD put in the series, but he worked with RTD before, and knew what he was. So it wasn't that, and I guess some of the 9th Doctor's mannerisms were inspired by RTD. I think Eccleston got annoyed with how unorganized shiat went down in the new series, and how he or others was treated. Also he wore a leather jacket!!!!!
 
2012-05-24 09:35:35 PM  

EngineerAU: SweetSilverBlues: Torchwood is where they went berzerkynuts. It wasn't enough to have one or two bisexual and one or two gay, no, EVERYONE was bisexual.

It's been a while since I've watched Torchwood but who was gay besides Jack (who really could be called pansexual)? Ianto was bi and then there was the guest star who was Jack's old boyfriend that was gay but other than that, wasn't everybody else straight? Maybe the two women from the original Torchwood were lesbians? Certainly not major characters.


Gwen, Owen and Tosh all had multiple bi moments.

A British friend of mine jokes that to get a job at Torchwood one had to accept the existence of extra-terrestrial life and be sexually ambiguous.

I don't mind sexuality in stories when it fits. When it used just because, straight, gay, or bi, it bugs me. It's a sign of sloppy, lazy writing and a lack of faith in your own material.

Torchwood was better than that.

Children of Earth proved it, but too little, too late.

I also hate Gwen. Adore Ianto.

Can we trade Gwen for Tosh, Ianto, and Owen?
 
2012-05-24 09:40:47 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: EngineerAU: SweetSilverBlues: Torchwood is where they went berzerkynuts. It wasn't enough to have one or two bisexual and one or two gay, no, EVERYONE was bisexual.

It's been a while since I've watched Torchwood but who was gay besides Jack (who really could be called pansexual)? Ianto was bi and then there was the guest star who was Jack's old boyfriend that was gay but other than that, wasn't everybody else straight? Maybe the two women from the original Torchwood were lesbians? Certainly not major characters.

Gwen, Owen and Tosh all had multiple bi moments.

A British friend of mine jokes that to get a job at Torchwood one had to accept the existence of extra-terrestrial life and be sexually ambiguous.

I don't mind sexuality in stories when it fits. When it used just because, straight, gay, or bi, it bugs me. It's a sign of sloppy, lazy writing and a lack of faith in your own material.

Torchwood was better than that.

Children of Earth proved it, but too little, too late.

I also hate Gwen. Adore Ianto.

Can we trade Gwen for Tosh, Ianto, and Owen?


I agree with you there, but watching Captain Jack Harkness hit on everything and anything was amusing as hell. I am really pissed that when they kind of Americanized it, he became straight up gay.
 
2012-05-24 09:41:08 PM  

EngineerAU: SweetSilverBlues: Torchwood is where they went berzerkynuts. It wasn't enough to have one or two bisexual and one or two gay, no, EVERYONE was bisexual.

It's been a while since I've watched Torchwood but who was gay besides Jack (who really could be called pansexual)? Ianto was bi and then there was the guest star who was Jack's old boyfriend that was gay but other than that, wasn't everybody else straight? Maybe the two women from the original Torchwood were lesbians? Certainly not major characters.


Had to look some of these up, but...

While everyone was abusing alien tech in the first episode, Owen used some kind of perfume to bed a woman and her boyfriend.

In the second episode - the one with the purple gas - Gwen made out with another woman.

In Greeks Bearing Gifts, Toshiko ended up in a relationship with a woman.

Plus Jack and Ianto, which is obvious.

So, yeah. Every one of the major characters in Torchwood, to at least some degree.
 
2012-05-24 09:41:08 PM  

demonfaerie: He was full of anger, and rage, but at the same time had a soft side.


This. He's my favorite and he was perfect for the reboot. He'd been through a war and kept that personality.
I also heard, the first doctor you watch is your favorite. Maybe that's true.

"NOBODY DIES TODAY!!"
 
2012-05-24 09:41:24 PM  

UberNeuman: I remember watching Dr. Who back in the day with Tom Baker on PBS and enjoyed them. I've been thinking about jumping back in again, but I'm not sure what would be a good point to start...


At the beginning you rube
 
2012-05-24 09:45:44 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: I would have love love LOVED Eccleston with Catherine Tate.


Oh, god, yes. That would have worked perfectly.

I liked Eccleston, but I feel like he got saddled with a few really bad episodes in his run. I thought that the episodes that came between "Rose" and "Dalek" were all mediocre at best.

Tennat was good - very good - but he also got the benefit of some amazing episodes early on. "School Reunion" (the one where Sarah Jane comes back and they deal with what happens to the companions after the Doctor leaves them) and "The Girl in the Fireplace" are two of my favorites in the entire series.
 
2012-05-24 09:47:00 PM  

rickycal78: Tennant is decent enough, but he was given a lot of bad material. Some pretty damned good stuff too, but a whole mess of retarded fan wanking crap.


The best episode of Tennant's run he wasn't really even in. Nothing Tennant did compared to the work of CE in Dalek.
 
2012-05-24 09:47:38 PM  

IMDWalrus: SweetSilverBlues: I would have love love LOVED Eccleston with Catherine Tate.

Oh, god, yes. That would have worked perfectly.

I liked Eccleston, but I feel like he got saddled with a few really bad episodes in his run. I thought that the episodes that came between "Rose" and "Dalek" were all mediocre at best.

Tennat was good - very good - but he also got the benefit of some amazing episodes early on. "School Reunion" (the one where Sarah Jane comes back and they deal with what happens to the companions after the Doctor leaves them) and "The Girl in the Fireplace" are two of my favorites in the entire series.


And, he had the season with Catherine Tate, who was the best of the modern companions.

The best thing about her? She wasn't a 20-something who wanted to jump the Doctor's bones.
 
2012-05-24 09:48:30 PM  

demonfaerie: I also hate Gwen. Adore Ianto.


Why is that?

I actually thought Gwen the most interesting character, and found almost everyone else to be really annoying. Was so happy they started killing them off, it reminded me of my joy when the Oil Slick killed Tasha Yar, and then next year, she came back to life just so they could kill her again. :)

But I get that everyone hates Gwen - but I can't figure out why.
 
2012-05-24 09:48:59 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: rickycal78: findthefish: I had not seen the reboot with Eccleston and Tennant, but I'm watching it now and I think Eccleston is quite good. I'm interested to see how Tennant is.

Tennant is decent enough, but he was given a lot of bad material. Some pretty damned good stuff too, but a whole mess of retarded fan wanking crap.

Bah, I found the Tennant eps far superior to the Smith ones.

But the Eccleston ones were the best written/directed.

The Tennant years had some true stinkers, but there were some absolutely brilliant ones as well. I loved the high energy he brought, and how different they made 10 from 9.

Eccleston brought a real jaded, cynical quality to the role, which Tennant slowly circles back round to. I do wish Eccleston had agreed to at least one more season, but thems the breaks.

I would have love love LOVED Eccleston with Catherine Tate.

And if Tennant's were filled with fan wanking crap WTF was River Song if not ripped straight from fanfiction.net?


Admittedly River Song is a bit of fan wank, but I at least find her entertaining and fun. The problem is that if Moffat keeps writing River episodes she'll likely grow tiresome as well, she's good in small doses.

Rose started as a good character, but the whole relationship with her and watching the Doctor mope around after she left got tiresome.

I do agree that Eccleston with Tate would have been some cool stuff to see.
 
2012-05-24 09:49:09 PM  

Zombie DJ: demonfaerie: He was full of anger, and rage, but at the same time had a soft side.

This. He's my favorite and he was perfect for the reboot. He'd been through a war and kept that personality.
I also heard, the first doctor you watch is your favorite. Maybe that's true.

"NOBODY DIES TODAY!!"


I heard that too, but actually as a kid I kind of grew up on Doctor Who, but I really just watched it, because it was on tv. I really had no interest in it. However I heard there was a Doctor Who reboot, I was like I think I watched that as a kid. I didn't have BBC so I couldn't watch it until Tennant came on. So he was I guess technical my first Doctor. However I finally watched the first season of the reboot, and I was like wtf is everyone in love with Tennant? He is good, but he was kind of a pussy.
 
2012-05-24 09:53:55 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Wow, I never saw so much dislike for Matt Smith and Karen Gillan? Smith is by far the best of the new Doctors, second only to Baker. Tennant is easiest the third favorite.

The biggest problem I had with Russel T. Davies run was his insistence that the Doctor be romantic with his companions.

The fact was for the first 10 years of his existence - the Doctor was a Grandfatherly character.

Sure Tom Baker brought an undercurrent of sexual tension to the TARDIS, but was because Tom Baker was a bit of a horn dog and married one of his companions.

Smith and Moffit brought back the realization that a 900 year old alien would have little interest sexual with a 19 year old human being.


I think if I was 900 in a 20 something body, all I would want to do is fark 19 year olds.
 
2012-05-24 09:54:00 PM  

demonfaerie: SweetSilverBlues: EngineerAU: SweetSilverBlues: Torchwood is where they went berzerkynuts. It wasn't enough to have one or two bisexual and one or two gay, no, EVERYONE was bisexual.

It's been a while since I've watched Torchwood but who was gay besides Jack (who really could be called pansexual)? Ianto was bi and then there was the guest star who was Jack's old boyfriend that was gay but other than that, wasn't everybody else straight? Maybe the two women from the original Torchwood were lesbians? Certainly not major characters.

Gwen, Owen and Tosh all had multiple bi moments.

A British friend of mine jokes that to get a job at Torchwood one had to accept the existence of extra-terrestrial life and be sexually ambiguous.

I don't mind sexuality in stories when it fits. When it used just because, straight, gay, or bi, it bugs me. It's a sign of sloppy, lazy writing and a lack of faith in your own material.

Torchwood was better than that.

Children of Earth proved it, but too little, too late.

I also hate Gwen. Adore Ianto.

Can we trade Gwen for Tosh, Ianto, and Owen?

I agree with you there, but watching Captain Jack Harkness hit on everything and anything was amusing as hell. I am really pissed that when they kind of Americanized it, he became straight up gay.


God, if Captain Jack were only gay that would break my poor little fangurl heart.

Rowr.

He was amazing, brought so much sheer charisma to Who, I was thrilled when I saw Torchwood. Actually watched Torchwood before I watched any of the Tennant Who.

He and Ianto were the only things that kept me watching at times.

Haven't seen Miracle Day yet. I didn't have cable when it was on Starz and didn't know it would be on Netflix for 37 seconds.
 
2012-05-24 09:54:33 PM  
Eccleston was the best new doctor, maybe biased by the fact he brought the role back. Tennant was awesome, but the 9th doctor was definitely better than smith is now
 
2012-05-24 09:55:09 PM  

RoyBatty: demonfaerie: I also hate Gwen. Adore Ianto.

Why is that?

I actually thought Gwen the most interesting character, and found almost everyone else to be really annoying. Was so happy they started killing them off, it reminded me of my joy when the Oil Slick killed Tasha Yar, and then next year, she came back to life just so they could kill her again. :)

But I get that everyone hates Gwen - but I can't figure out why.


I don't hate Gwen, I just agreed that they putting the bi/gay stuff to overly, because they just can, and I go with this in the last season of Torchwood. They over gayed everything in Miracle Day, like to piss off Americans or something. Captain Jack farked anything that moved, and now all of sudden is just full on gay.
 
2012-05-24 09:55:46 PM  

RoyBatty: demonfaerie: I also hate Gwen. Adore Ianto.

Why is that?

I actually thought Gwen the most interesting character, and found almost everyone else to be really annoying. Was so happy they started killing them off, it reminded me of my joy when the Oil Slick killed Tasha Yar, and then next year, she came back to life just so they could kill her again. :)

But I get that everyone hates Gwen - but I can't figure out why.


I can't speak for everyone, but part of the reason I dislike (not hate) Gwen is the half assed poorly scripted and forced feeling sexual tension between her and Jack. I'm not sure if it's the writers' fault or the acting, but every time they do a scene where they are supposed to seem attracted to each other comes off as forced. I know I'm not articulating it well, but that's what bugs me about her.
 
2012-05-24 09:56:58 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Eccleston was the best new doctor, maybe biased by the fact he brought the role back. Tennant was awesome, but the 9th doctor was definitely better than smith is now


Smith's Doctor has been saddled with an unfortunate hanger-on. This coming season, we'll really see how he can do when not saddled with THE MOSTEST SPECIALEST GIRL IN THE UNIVERSE storyline.

/just hope they don't fark up and make the new companion another mostest specialest girl in the universe that just aches to have a taste of Time Lord jizz.
 
2012-05-24 09:57:24 PM  
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Still the best IMHO.
 
2012-05-24 09:57:30 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: And, he had the season with Catherine Tate, who was the best of the modern companions.


After the Christmas special, I honestly thought I was going to hate every episode with Tate in it. She went from being one of the most irritating parts of the new series to one of the best companions, and the way they ended her storyline was fantastic.
 
2012-05-24 09:59:50 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: [upload.wikimedia.org image 240x290]

Still the best IMHO.


www.wearysloth.com
 
2012-05-24 10:04:17 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: Haven't seen Miracle Day yet. I didn't have cable when it was on Starz and didn't know it would be on Netflix for 37 seconds.


Sad to say, but it was bad. Real bad. I kept wanting to like it, kept hoping it would turn out as good as COE was and it never delivered. The interesting characters were killed off, the side story(Bill Pullman's character) was completely unnecessary and ridiculous. Captain Jack was full on gay and when you finally figure out what's going on and why it flies in the face of what was established in Torchwood and Doctor Who.

Sorry it's so vague, but I didn't really want to spoil it for you if you haven't seen it for yourself.
 
2012-05-24 10:05:48 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: CigaretteSmokingMan: [upload.wikimedia.org image 240x290]

Still the best IMHO.

[www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]


2.bp.blogspot.com

\Would you like a jelly baby?
 
2012-05-24 10:08:48 PM  
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2012-05-24 10:09:17 PM  
BTW, I'm going to take this time to show the new bathroom in our comic book store. We even made the news website.
It took me 2 days to paint it and yes, the inside is bigger.

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2012-05-24 10:10:31 PM  

mjbok: The best episode of Tennant's run he wasn't really even in. Nothing Tennant did compared to the work of CE in Dalek.


I dunno, I did like Girl in the Fireplace a lot, and the Family of Blood two parter, and Tennant's episodes with Donna were mostly decent. But yeah, Eccleston knocked it out of the park with Dalek. It's still one of my favorite episodes of New Who.
 
2012-05-24 10:12:16 PM  

RoyBatty: demonfaerie: I also hate Gwen. Adore Ianto.

Why is that?

I actually thought Gwen the most interesting character, and found almost everyone else to be really annoying. Was so happy they started killing them off, it reminded me of my joy when the Oil Slick killed Tasha Yar, and then next year, she came back to life just so they could kill her again. :)

But I get that everyone hates Gwen - but I can't figure out why.


Number one, it's her voice. It's Welsh nails on a chalkboard. She voices a main NPC in Dragon Age 2, and I have yet to complete her questline. Even my good wizards are incredibly mean to her.

Voice aside, the character is whiny, self-pitying, and just incapable of making a personal life decision without craptons of agonizing angst. It was also wildly uneven, the sexual tension between her and Jack would come and go at random, and odd, intervals.

rickycal78, Rose grated now and then, but I would have gladly taken her bopping Martha over the head and replacing her. Ditto with Amy.

River kind of raised my hackles in the Library ep, her first appearance, because it was a regurgitation of 70% of the same tired fanfiction I used to have to scan and approve at a fanfic site. Mysterious, all-knowing, beautiful woman with an instant connection to the protagonist. Oh lawd.

And the horrid continuity and awful chemistry in the Smith eps did not help.

IMDWalrus, my fave Eccleston ep is The Empty Child, is that before or after Dalek, I don't remember.

Come to think of it, Empty Child is one of my fave eps ever of the 9+ incarnations.
 
2012-05-24 10:12:23 PM  

rickycal78: SweetSilverBlues: Haven't seen Miracle Day yet. I didn't have cable when it was on Starz and didn't know it would be on Netflix for 37 seconds.

Sad to say, but it was bad. Real bad. I kept wanting to like it, kept hoping it would turn out as good as COE was and it never delivered. The interesting characters were killed off, the side story(Bill Pullman's character) was completely unnecessary and ridiculous. Captain Jack was full on gay and when you finally figure out what's going on and why it flies in the face of what was established in Torchwood and Doctor Who.

Sorry it's so vague, but I didn't really want to spoil it for you if you haven't seen it for yourself.


This, it was beause it dragged on so farking long. It did not need 10 episodes, and the ending was farking horrible. Also I don't think any of the Amerians realized Captain Jack was from the future, that went into the past, and nothing about the Doctor. Since the Doctor kind of helped created Torchwood.

/Css
I went to Chicago's comic con and I got to meet Rhys, and Ianto. I lied to Rhys face that the show was amazing. Also Ianto irl is kind of a dick, or was high. I am not really sure. he just seemed to hate talking to people at least. However the Torchwood panel those two did was amazing.
 
2012-05-24 10:14:35 PM  

rickycal78: SweetSilverBlues: Haven't seen Miracle Day yet. I didn't have cable when it was on Starz and didn't know it would be on Netflix for 37 seconds.

Sad to say, but it was bad. Real bad. I kept wanting to like it, kept hoping it would turn out as good as COE was and it never delivered. The interesting characters were killed off, the side story(Bill Pullman's character) was completely unnecessary and ridiculous. Captain Jack was full on gay and when you finally figure out what's going on and why it flies in the face of what was established in Torchwood and Doctor Who.

Sorry it's so vague, but I didn't really want to spoil it for you if you haven't seen it for yourself.


This is a relatively accurate view. I thought Miracle Day and Children of Earth both were crap as SF goes, but much better than Monster of the Week Torchwood the prior two seasons.

Miracle Day wasn't bad, they emulated 24 pretty well, and maybe even better than 24. But then the last episode confirmed that it was going to be a completely non-Dr-Whovian explanation.

If you have 10-12 hours to watch it, I just watched it last week from here:
season-4/torchwood

(Some of the links from that service are much better than the other links.)
 
2012-05-24 10:19:09 PM  

RoyBatty: rickycal78: SweetSilverBlues: Haven't seen Miracle Day yet. I didn't have cable when it was on Starz and didn't know it would be on Netflix for 37 seconds.

Sad to say, but it was bad. Real bad. I kept wanting to like it, kept hoping it would turn out as good as COE was and it never delivered. The interesting characters were killed off, the side story(Bill Pullman's character) was completely unnecessary and ridiculous. Captain Jack was full on gay and when you finally figure out what's going on and why it flies in the face of what was established in Torchwood and Doctor Who.

Sorry it's so vague, but I didn't really want to spoil it for you if you haven't seen it for yourself.

This is a relatively accurate view. I thought Miracle Day and Children of Earth both were crap as SF goes, but much better than Monster of the Week Torchwood the prior two seasons.

Miracle Day wasn't bad, they emulated 24 pretty well, and maybe even better than 24. But then the last episode confirmed that it was going to be a completely non-Dr-Whovian explanation.

If you have 10-12 hours to watch it, I just watched it last week from here:
season-4/torchwood

(Some of the links from that service are much better than the other links.)


Thanks!!!

Although I am sad that all the reviews here pretty much mirror most of my friends'. A few just loved it, but one of them thinks Martha is da bomb so we don't listen to her very much.

Still, it's my Captain Jack, the ORIGINAL Captain Jack, so I must watch.
 
2012-05-24 10:19:52 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: CigaretteSmokingMan: [upload.wikimedia.org image 240x290]

Still the best IMHO.

[www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]


Troughton ftw
 
2012-05-24 10:19:56 PM  

RoyBatty: demonfaerie: I also hate Gwen. Adore Ianto.

Why is that?

I actually thought Gwen the most interesting character, and found almost everyone else to be really annoying. Was so happy they started killing them off, it reminded me of my joy when the Oil Slick killed Tasha Yar, and then next year, she came back to life just so they could kill her again. :)

But I get that everyone hates Gwen - but I can't figure out why.


I'm with you on Tasha Yar. I didn't mind Gwen but found the relationship with Rhys to be tiresome. Yes, she missed dinner again. Yeah, it's hard on their relationship, we get it.
 
2012-05-24 10:22:33 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: but one of them thinks Martha is da bomb so we don't listen to her very much.



... I thought Martha was da bomb too, but I could actually never figure out why she wanted to be with the Doctor because unlike the other companions, every single episode she was in WANTED TO KILL HER IN HORRIBLE WAYS.

But yeah, I thought she was da bomb.
 
2012-05-24 10:23:33 PM  
Colin Baker: Best. Doctor. Ever.

/runner-up: Paul McGann
 
2012-05-24 10:24:30 PM  

RoyBatty: SweetSilverBlues: but one of them thinks Martha is da bomb so we don't listen to her very much.


... I thought Martha was da bomb too, but I could actually never figure out why she wanted to be with the Doctor because unlike the other companions, every single episode she was in WANTED TO KILL HER IN HORRIBLE WAYS.

But yeah, I thought she was da bomb.


She had loads of potential, and she was simply gorgeous, but her character was written so freaking poorly.
 
2012-05-24 10:27:31 PM  

Sid_6.7: I still think he was the best doctor in the reboot, possibly over all. He did the slightly manic but subtly twisted thing really well.

David Tennant did a really good job, and I warmed to him considerably as the show went on.

Matt Smith is okay, but the show's new direction since he became the Doctor has been crap, and Amy Pond is f*cking intolerable.


YOUv'e caught teh ghey.
 
2012-05-24 10:29:05 PM  

rickycal78: RoyBatty: SweetSilverBlues: but one of them thinks Martha is da bomb so we don't listen to her very much.


... I thought Martha was da bomb too, but I could actually never figure out why she wanted to be with the Doctor because unlike the other companions, every single episode she was in WANTED TO KILL HER IN HORRIBLE WAYS.

But yeah, I thought she was da bomb.

She had loads of potential, and she was simply gorgeous, but her character was written so freaking poorly.


I had concerns that we were doing Rose Redux when he kissed her in the hospital and she got all starry eyed. It all just kind of went downhill from there. The fact that she was ready to blow up the farking planet just kinda showed me she hadn't learned a damned thing. Hooking up with Mickey was nice, though, and I did like her in Shakespeare.

Hee hee hee, the Kenneth Brannagh clone in Shakespeare always makes me giggle.
 
2012-05-24 10:48:04 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Smith's Doctor has been saddled with an unfortunate hanger-on


I haven't seen Rose with Smith.
 
2012-05-24 10:51:57 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: Mysterious, all-knowing, beautiful woman with an instant connection to the protagonist. Oh lawd.


In a way, though, River Song is sort of the anti-marysue. A Mary Sue is a forceful insertion that doesn't fit anything else about the world. River Song, on the other hand, despite generally having Mary Sue traits, actually fits the setting in a logical way. She expands the universe interestingly, and it's enjoyable to see the idea of an out-of-sequence relationship playing out. The bit at the start of the season, where she meets the Doctor who knows and loves her, if only briefly, and then realizes that he's just been taken away from her, it's an absolutely wonderful moment for both her and the Doctor as characters.

All that said, she's a character that's best in small doses, and last season was not a small dose. Hopefully she goes on hiatus for awhile.
 
2012-05-24 10:58:09 PM  

t3knomanser: SweetSilverBlues: Mysterious, all-knowing, beautiful woman with an instant connection to the protagonist. Oh lawd.

In a way, though, River Song is sort of the anti-marysue. A Mary Sue is a forceful insertion that doesn't fit anything else about the world. River Song, on the other hand, despite generally having Mary Sue traits, actually fits the setting in a logical way. She expands the universe interestingly, and it's enjoyable to see the idea of an out-of-sequence relationship playing out. The bit at the start of the season, where she meets the Doctor who knows and loves her, if only briefly, and then realizes that he's just been taken away from her, it's an absolutely wonderful moment for both her and the Doctor as characters.

All that said, she's a character that's best in small doses, and last season was not a small dose. Hopefully she goes on hiatus for awhile.


Small doses, agreed.

And hopefully they do something about that weird chemistry. They go overboard to make Smith's Who an utter prude, and as I said, I find his sudden flirting with River painfully embarrassing to watch as he tries to balance the prude with the lover. It's so abrupt and awkward. Hopefully he (through non-Moffat writing) relaxes and it gets better.
 
2012-05-24 10:58:39 PM  
Yeah. Like that movie role of playing Destro was soooooooo worth jumping ship over.
 
2012-05-24 11:04:54 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Yeah. Like that movie role of playing Destro was soooooooo worth jumping ship over.


LOL

Well, maybe not Destro, but I'm thinking maybe Heroes, Amelia, and Lennon Naked might have been.
 
2012-05-24 11:07:17 PM  

t3knomanser: She expands the universe interestingly, and it's enjoyable to see the idea of an out-of-sequence relationship playing out.


This is the thing that always bothered me about the River Song character, her timeline going opposite of the Doctor's. Before wibbly wobbly BS comes in (stupid non-explanation) I'll give you my understanding of time in the Whoverse.

The time stream is a constant, for everyone...except time travelers. Even for time travelers the time stream is constant when not outside the stream. When the Tardis (or other time travel type device) travels through time it jumps out of the time stream and jumps back in at another point in the stream. For everyone who was traveling together (in Tardis or other) their time streams were constant.

Example: Three people all are on Earth for one year. The time stream for all three has advanced one year. Two of the three pop into the Tardis and go forward one year. Person one has aged two years, persons two and three have aged just one year. Person three goes (by themselves) back four years and sits around for 1 year. Person three has now advanced two years in their time stream, persons one and two are one year back (before the beginning of this scenario) in the time stream. That being said, how the fark does RS's and the Doctor's time streams go in different directions?
 
2012-05-24 11:08:34 PM  
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Soon...very soon....
 
2012-05-24 11:19:17 PM  

mjbok: t3knomanser: She expands the universe interestingly, and it's enjoyable to see the idea of an out-of-sequence relationship playing out.

This is the thing that always bothered me about the River Song character, her timeline going opposite of the Doctor's. Before wibbly wobbly BS comes in (stupid non-explanation) I'll give you my understanding of time in the Whoverse.

The time stream is a constant, for everyone...except time travelers. Even for time travelers the time stream is constant when not outside the stream. When the Tardis (or other time travel type device) travels through time it jumps out of the time stream and jumps back in at another point in the stream. For everyone who was traveling together (in Tardis or other) their time streams were constant.

Example: Three people all are on Earth for one year. The time stream for all three has advanced one year. Two of the three pop into the Tardis and go forward one year. Person one has aged two years, persons two and three have aged just one year. Person three goes (by themselves) back four years and sits around for 1 year. Person three has now advanced two years in their time stream, persons one and two are one year back (before the beginning of this scenario) in the time stream. That being said, how the fark does RS's and the Doctor's time streams go in different directions?


I get what they tried to do, it just didn't come across well as they went a bit nuts with it. They're not in different directions, it's just confusing because it seems like the doctor always returns to some sort of zero point before the next meeting with River, when he doesn't.

Say his Visit A is in one year, skips forward five years for visit B, skips back two years for visit C.

For her, it was A, C, B. She's going to know more in their second meeting than their third.

It's not consistently displayed. She always, except for her first meeting, seems to know more than he does.

They need to have some references for his off camera time with her, because right now it's very disproportionate.

Of course, the Smith eps are full of plot holes and incongruities and loose threads, so...
 
2012-05-24 11:20:52 PM  
So what I'm getting is...no "The Eight Doctors" special. Is that what everyone else is getting?

I was really hoping that the Powers That Be might mend the fences with Colin Baker and (From what I understand.) Tom Baker.
 
2012-05-24 11:26:36 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: "I never bathe in the same river twice"

I never shiat on the same toilet twice.


Me neither. Usually people get the message the first time you lay one on the tank lid.

Hell of a calf workout though.
 
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