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2012-05-25 10:45:24 AM

skepticultist: mainsail: It was worse than a Mercedes Lackey novel.


That last statement? Physical impossibility.

Clearly you've never read anything by Terry Goodkind.


You're right....my god....you're right!
 
2012-05-25 10:47:33 AM

Hebalo: Darth_Lukecash: Wow, I never saw so much dislike for Matt Smith and Karen Gillan? Smith is by far the best of the new Doctors, second only to Baker. Tennant is easiest the third favorite.

The biggest problem I had with Russel T. Davies run was his insistence that the Doctor be romantic with his companions.

The fact was for the first 10 years of his existence - the Doctor was a Grandfatherly character.

Sure Tom Baker brought an undercurrent of sexual tension to the TARDIS, but was because Tom Baker was a bit of a horn dog and married one of his companions.

Smith and Moffit brought back the realization that a 900 year old alien would have little interest sexual with a 19 year old human being.

Amy Pond went from the most welcomed character in a long time to completely farking annoying in record time. Moffat is brilliant at a lot of things, but mishandled the Amy thing horribly. In fact, I'll go on record as saying that he made a shambles of things by trying too hard to make the long arc important, at the expense of the episodes. Way too many boring, meandering episodes with one "gotcha" moment at the end. Blech.

And the River Song thing won't age well. How the hell do people get on RTD's case (I'm not an apologist btw) for too much romance etc, while Moffat is off the hook for farking marrying the Doctor off? Stupid.


Because everyone knows who the Doctor's real wife is.

(Isn't the marriage with River Song just a sham?)
 
2012-05-25 11:04:21 AM
I think Smith and Eccleston are tied for the best of the NuWho Doctors.

Eccleston was the war orphan of his race and killed his race off. He was willing to kill because he lost his view of life due to the war.
Tennant seemed to be a cry baby near the end of his run. Kinda ruined his Doctor.
Smith is awesome with his witty one liners and smarts.
 
2012-05-25 11:04:50 AM

KiplingKat872: Hebalo: Darth_Lukecash: Wow, I never saw so much dislike for Matt Smith and Karen Gillan? Smith is by far the best of the new Doctors, second only to Baker. Tennant is easiest the third favorite.

The biggest problem I had with Russel T. Davies run was his insistence that the Doctor be romantic with his companions.

The fact was for the first 10 years of his existence - the Doctor was a Grandfatherly character.

Sure Tom Baker brought an undercurrent of sexual tension to the TARDIS, but was because Tom Baker was a bit of a horn dog and married one of his companions.

Smith and Moffit brought back the realization that a 900 year old alien would have little interest sexual with a 19 year old human being.

Amy Pond went from the most welcomed character in a long time to completely farking annoying in record time. Moffat is brilliant at a lot of things, but mishandled the Amy thing horribly. In fact, I'll go on record as saying that he made a shambles of things by trying too hard to make the long arc important, at the expense of the episodes. Way too many boring, meandering episodes with one "gotcha" moment at the end. Blech.

And the River Song thing won't age well. How the hell do people get on RTD's case (I'm not an apologist btw) for too much romance etc, while Moffat is off the hook for farking marrying the Doctor off? Stupid.

Because everyone knows who the Doctor's real wife is.

(Isn't the marriage with River Song just a sham?)


Yay, new page!

You would be surprised at how many people violently despise that episode.

I thought it fell a bit short of potential (like most of Smith's run) but enjoyed it.

Verra fanficcy, but entertaining.
 
2012-05-25 11:11:12 AM

SweetSilverBlues: KiplingKat872: Hebalo: Darth_Lukecash: Wow, I never saw so much dislike for Matt Smith and Karen Gillan? Smith is by far the best of the new Doctors, second only to Baker. Tennant is easiest the third favorite.

The biggest problem I had with Russel T. Davies run was his insistence that the Doctor be romantic with his companions.

The fact was for the first 10 years of his existence - the Doctor was a Grandfatherly character.

Sure Tom Baker brought an undercurrent of sexual tension to the TARDIS, but was because Tom Baker was a bit of a horn dog and married one of his companions.

Smith and Moffit brought back the realization that a 900 year old alien would have little interest sexual with a 19 year old human being.

Amy Pond went from the most welcomed character in a long time to completely farking annoying in record time. Moffat is brilliant at a lot of things, but mishandled the Amy thing horribly. In fact, I'll go on record as saying that he made a shambles of things by trying too hard to make the long arc important, at the expense of the episodes. Way too many boring, meandering episodes with one "gotcha" moment at the end. Blech.

And the River Song thing won't age well. How the hell do people get on RTD's case (I'm not an apologist btw) for too much romance etc, while Moffat is off the hook for farking marrying the Doctor off? Stupid.

Because everyone knows who the Doctor's real wife is.

(Isn't the marriage with River Song just a sham?)

Yay, new page!

You would be surprised at how many people violently despise that episode.

I thought it fell a bit short of potential (like most of Smith's run) but enjoyed it.

Verra fanficcy, but entertaining.


Well Gaiman said, "This is my Doctor Who fanfic," and it is still a gazillion times better than anything you will find on FF.Net.

I could have done with out so much Amy and Rory (including the "Rory's dead, it must be Tuesday" bit), though the "the pretty one" moment was great. But other than that, i thought it was brilliant. One of the best stand alone episodes I have seen of the NuWho.
 
2012-05-25 11:12:12 AM
After so long, it was the story waiting to be written, and I though they brought it to life extremely well.
 
2012-05-25 11:12:30 AM

KiplingKat872: Well Gaiman said, "This is my Doctor Who fanfic," and it is still a gazillion times better than anything you will find on FF.Net.


He won an award for that episode, which is the best, to date, of Smith's run.
 
2012-05-25 11:20:05 AM

PizzaJedi81: KiplingKat872: Well Gaiman said, "This is my Doctor Who fanfic," and it is still a gazillion times better than anything you will find on FF.Net.

He won an award for that episode, which is the best, to date, of Smith's run.


...I would tie that with Vincent and the Doctor. It's hard tho'. As the series has focused so much on the overall story arc, it's hard to pick out stand alone episodes to say, "That one was awesome."
 
2012-05-25 11:22:53 AM

KiplingKat872: it's hard to pick out stand alone episodes to say, "That one was awesome."


Pretty much ALL of the standalones have been that way, I think. At least, during Smith's tenure.
 
2012-05-25 11:23:13 AM

SweetSilverBlues: twat_waffle: StoPPeRmobile: FirstNationalBastard: I understand his decision to not want to go back to a role he has left.

However, he was in a farking GI Joe movie. If you can do that, take the damn cash and do a one shot as the Doctor!


Tuesday.

I heard that Raul Julia did that movie because his kids loved Street Fighter and asked him to. I'll give him a pass for that one.

/Eccleston dies not get a pass for either abortion I have seen him in.
//G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra sucked
///Seeker: The Dark Is Rising was worse

ANY television show based on Goodkind that isn't on Starz after 10 o'clock is doomed to suckage (pun somewhat intended).

Naw, just make that any television show based on Goodkind.


Uh, The Seeker: the Dark is Rising has nothing to do with Terry Goodkind at all. Susan Cooper could easily kick Goddkind's ass, and the book is far, far, far, far, far, FAR superior to the film. It's also the second book in the series.

It's still a bad movie, only good for watching whilst drunk, as it totally desecrates the book. You'd think that something good would have come out of it considering Eccleston, Ian McShane, and Jim Piddock were all involved. :(

I highly recommend you read the books, they're young adult, but they're still better than anything Goodkind has ever written.

/Tennant was such an annoying, whiny Emo-biatch. I prefer Smith and Eccleston, although Amy is beginning to drag on me.
//Smith and Eccleston are also much better looking than Tennant IMHO. Of course, my tastes in men are questionable since I think Peter Tork, Michael Palin, and Neil Young are insanely attractive
 
2012-05-25 11:33:23 AM

Balchinian: [i.imgur.com image 245x300]

Soon...very soon....


I'm guessing you've never seen The Curse of the Fatal Death?
 
2012-05-25 11:38:30 AM

BohemianGraham: SweetSilverBlues: twat_waffle: StoPPeRmobile: FirstNationalBastard: I understand his decision to not want to go back to a role he has left.

However, he was in a farking GI Joe movie. If you can do that, take the damn cash and do a one shot as the Doctor!


Tuesday.

I heard that Raul Julia did that movie because his kids loved Street Fighter and asked him to. I'll give him a pass for that one.

/Eccleston dies not get a pass for either abortion I have seen him in.
//G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra sucked
///Seeker: The Dark Is Rising was worse

ANY television show based on Goodkind that isn't on Starz after 10 o'clock is doomed to suckage (pun somewhat intended).

Naw, just make that any television show based on Goodkind.

Uh, The Seeker: the Dark is Rising has nothing to do with Terry Goodkind at all. Susan Cooper could easily kick Goddkind's ass, and the book is far, far, far, far, far, FAR superior to the film. It's also the second book in the series.

It's still a bad movie, only good for watching whilst drunk, as it totally desecrates the book. You'd think that something good would have come out of it considering Eccleston, Ian McShane, and Jim Piddock were all involved. :(

I highly recommend you read the books, they're young adult, but they're still better than anything Goodkind has ever written.

/Tennant was such an annoying, whiny Emo-biatch. I prefer Smith and Eccleston, although Amy is beginning to drag on me.
//Smith and Eccleston are also much better looking than Tennant IMHO. Of course, my tastes in men are questionable since I think Peter Tork, Michael Palin, and Neil Young are insanely attractive


My abject apologies. I saw "Seeker" and leaped before I looked!

Peter Tork was the cutest of the Monkees. Period.

To the previous posts regarding Doctor's Wife, it is my fave of the Smith run, and one I will watch as a standalone. But when it is all run together back-to-back during the season it loses a lot for me.

It's a very old fanfic device used for Star Trek, Star Wars, even 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. They played around with it in Andromeda. It's just a bit tired and I thought Gaiman could have done better.

She was entirely adorable, though. I wanted the emergency program to be her, not child Amy.

Guilt!

More guilt!
 
2012-05-25 11:41:53 AM

SweetSilverBlues: BohemianGraham: SweetSilverBlues: twat_waffle: StoPPeRmobile: FirstNationalBastard: I understand his decision to not want to go back to a role he has left.

However, he was in a farking GI Joe movie. If you can do that, take the damn cash and do a one shot as the Doctor!


Tuesday.

I heard that Raul Julia did that movie because his kids loved Street Fighter and asked him to. I'll give him a pass for that one.

/Eccleston dies not get a pass for either abortion I have seen him in.
//G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra sucked
///Seeker: The Dark Is Rising was worse

ANY television show based on Goodkind that isn't on Starz after 10 o'clock is doomed to suckage (pun somewhat intended).

Naw, just make that any television show based on Goodkind.

Uh, The Seeker: the Dark is Rising has nothing to do with Terry Goodkind at all. Susan Cooper could easily kick Goddkind's ass, and the book is far, far, far, far, far, FAR superior to the film. It's also the second book in the series.

It's still a bad movie, only good for watching whilst drunk, as it totally desecrates the book. You'd think that something good would have come out of it considering Eccleston, Ian McShane, and Jim Piddock were all involved. :(

I highly recommend you read the books, they're young adult, but they're still better than anything Goodkind has ever written.

/Tennant was such an annoying, whiny Emo-biatch. I prefer Smith and Eccleston, although Amy is beginning to drag on me.
//Smith and Eccleston are also much better looking than Tennant IMHO. Of course, my tastes in men are questionable since I think Peter Tork, Michael Palin, and Neil Young are insanely attractive

My abject apologies. I saw "Seeker" and leaped before I looked!

Peter Tork was the cutest of the Monkees. Period.
To the previous posts regarding Doctor's Wife, it is my fave of the Smith run, and one I will watch as a standalone. But when it is all run together back-to-back during the season it loses a lot for me.

It's a very old fanfic de ...


Threadjack, but I like the cut of your jib madam. The man is still cute. Best Monkee ever. Too bad he's not British, because he totally could have been The Doctor

Also, I agree that Idris aka Sexy was adorable. "Where's my thief!?"
 
2012-05-25 11:42:16 AM

SweetSilverBlues: twat_waffle: StoPPeRmobile: FirstNationalBastard: I understand his decision to not want to go back to a role he has left.

However, he was in a farking GI Joe movie. If you can do that, take the damn cash and do a one shot as the Doctor!


Tuesday.

I heard that Raul Julia did that movie because his kids loved Street Fighter and asked him to. I'll give him a pass for that one.

/Eccleston dies not get a pass for either abortion I have seen him in.
//G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra sucked
///Seeker: The Dark Is Rising was worse

ANY television show based on Goodkind that isn't on Starz after 10 o'clock is doomed to suckage (pun somewhat intended).

Naw, just make that any television show based on Goodkind.


I was not referring to the TV show. There is a cisterns book series that ths movie I was referring to is based on.

/anything based on Goodkind is going to suck.
//Ayn Rand + sword and sorcery + caricature good and bad guys = fail, with sweat and dead man's balls.
 
2012-05-25 11:43:52 AM

twat_waffle: SweetSilverBlues: twat_waffle: StoPPeRmobile: FirstNationalBastard: I understand his decision to not want to go back to a role he has left.

However, he was in a farking GI Joe movie. If you can do that, take the damn cash and do a one shot as the Doctor!


Tuesday.

I heard that Raul Julia did that movie because his kids loved Street Fighter and asked him to. I'll give him a pass for that one.

/Eccleston dies not get a pass for either abortion I have seen him in.
//G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra sucked
///Seeker: The Dark Is Rising was worse

ANY television show based on Goodkind that isn't on Starz after 10 o'clock is doomed to suckage (pun somewhat intended).

Naw, just make that any television show based on Goodkind.

I was not referring to the TV show. There is a cisterns book series that ths movie I was referring to is based on.

/anything based on Goodkind is going to suck.
//Ayn Rand + sword and sorcery + caricature good and bad guys = fail, with sweat and dead man's balls.


Goodkind's TV series was done by the same folks who did Xena and Hercules. It was ridicuously bad, but not a campy good kind of bad. :(
 
2012-05-25 11:47:01 AM

twat_waffle: SweetSilverBlues: twat_waffle: StoPPeRmobile: FirstNationalBastard: I understand his decision to not want to go back to a role he has left.

However, he was in a farking GI Joe movie. If you can do that, take the damn cash and do a one shot as the Doctor!


Tuesday.

I heard that Raul Julia did that movie because his kids loved Street Fighter and asked him to. I'll give him a pass for that one.

/Eccleston dies not get a pass for either abortion I have seen him in.
//G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra sucked
///Seeker: The Dark Is Rising was worse

ANY television show based on Goodkind that isn't on Starz after 10 o'clock is doomed to suckage (pun somewhat intended).

Naw, just make that any television show based on Goodkind.

I was not referring to the TV show. There is a cisterns book series that ths movie I was referring to is based on.

/anything based on Goodkind is going to suck.
//Ayn Rand + sword and sorcery + caricature good and bad guys = fail, with sweat and dead man's balls.


Cisterns = series.

damn you, autocorrect!

Also, I see that my point was already made.
 
2012-05-25 11:54:34 AM

BohemianGraham: SweetSilverBlues: BohemianGraham: SweetSilverBlues: twat_waffle: StoPPeRmobile: FirstNationalBastard: I understand his decision to not want to go back to a role he has left.

However, he was in a farking GI Joe movie. If you can do that, take the damn cash and do a one shot as the Doctor!


Tuesday.

I heard that Raul Julia did that movie because his kids loved Street Fighter and asked him to. I'll give him a pass for that one.

/Eccleston dies not get a pass for either abortion I have seen him in.
//G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra sucked
///Seeker: The Dark Is Rising was worse

ANY television show based on Goodkind that isn't on Starz after 10 o'clock is doomed to suckage (pun somewhat intended).

Naw, just make that any television show based on Goodkind.

Uh, The Seeker: the Dark is Rising has nothing to do with Terry Goodkind at all. Susan Cooper could easily kick Goddkind's ass, and the book is far, far, far, far, far, FAR superior to the film. It's also the second book in the series.

It's still a bad movie, only good for watching whilst drunk, as it totally desecrates the book. You'd think that something good would have come out of it considering Eccleston, Ian McShane, and Jim Piddock were all involved. :(

I highly recommend you read the books, they're young adult, but they're still better than anything Goodkind has ever written.

/Tennant was such an annoying, whiny Emo-biatch. I prefer Smith and Eccleston, although Amy is beginning to drag on me.
//Smith and Eccleston are also much better looking than Tennant IMHO. Of course, my tastes in men are questionable since I think Peter Tork, Michael Palin, and Neil Young are insanely attractive

My abject apologies. I saw "Seeker" and leaped before I looked!

Peter Tork was the cutest of the Monkees. Period.
To the previous posts regarding Doctor's Wife, it is my fave of the Smith run, and one I will watch as a standalone. But when it is all run together back-to-back during the season it loses a lot for me.

It's a very old fanfic de ...

Threadjack, but I like the cut of your jib madam. The man is still cute. Best Monkee ever. Too bad he's not British, because he totally could have been The Doctor

Also, I agree that Idris aka Sexy was adorable. "Where's my thief!?"


Well, it can't always be Davy.

"I stole you."

Brilliant.
 
2012-05-25 11:59:37 AM

SweetSilverBlues: Also, I agree that Idris aka Sexy was adorable. "Where's my thief!?"

Well, it can't always be Davy.

"I stole you."

Brilliant.


"Borrowing implies the eventual intention to return the thing that was taken. Whatever makes you think I would give you back?"
 
2012-05-25 12:02:07 PM
"Tenses are difficult, aren't they?"
 
2012-05-25 12:17:32 PM
Slight threadjack.

I love Who threads. I have never come across nerdrage in a Who thread. Serious and passionate discussion and debate, yes. Nerdrage a l a Star Trek/Star Wars/BSG/Babylon 5, no. I've even seen Farscape nerdrage on Fark, although that was a long time ago.

In a Who thread? Nope.

No stupid apes in here.

/threadjack
 
2012-05-25 01:03:51 PM

SweetSilverBlues: Slight threadjack.

I love Who threads. I have never come across nerdrage in a Who thread. Serious and passionate discussion and debate, yes. Nerdrage a l a Star Trek/Star Wars/BSG/Babylon 5, no. I've even seen Farscape nerdrage on Fark, although that was a long time ago.

In a Who thread? Nope.

No stupid apes in here.

/threadjack


i280.photobucket.com

/maybe we could have a good slap fight over the worst adversary? Maybe.
 
2012-05-25 01:19:34 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: SweetSilverBlues: Slight threadjack.

I love Who threads. I have never come across nerdrage in a Who thread. Serious and passionate discussion and debate, yes. Nerdrage a l a Star Trek/Star Wars/BSG/Babylon 5, no. I've even seen Farscape nerdrage on Fark, although that was a long time ago.

In a Who thread? Nope.

No stupid apes in here.

/threadjack



/maybe we could have a good slap fight over the worst adversary? Maybe.


That one's easy.

Rose's story arc.

Oh yeah.

I went there.
 
2012-05-25 01:37:55 PM

rickycal78: SweetSilverBlues: Haven't seen Miracle Day yet. I didn't have cable when it was on Starz and didn't know it would be on Netflix for 37 seconds.

Sad to say, but it was bad. Real bad. I kept wanting to like it, kept hoping it would turn out as good as COE was and it never delivered. The interesting characters were killed off, the side story(Bill Pullman's character) was completely unnecessary and ridiculous. Captain Jack was full on gay and when you finally figure out what's going on and why it flies in the face of what was established in Torchwood and Doctor Who.

Sorry it's so vague, but I didn't really want to spoil it for you if you haven't seen it for yourself.


I absolutely agree 100%. The premise was cool, but the execution was terrible. The only character I actually LIKED was killed off. Mekhai Pfifer (or whatever his name is) came across as a real dick the entire series, and honestly, I have to deal with enough assholes in my real life that I don't want to root for them on a TV show. Then they break the rules of their own universe at the end (you all know exactly what I'm talking about) and that was the final nail in the coffin for me. This was such a let down after the awesomeness of Children of Earth.
 
2012-05-25 01:51:37 PM

SweetSilverBlues:

That one's easy.

Rose's story arc.

Oh yeah.

I went there.


I agree.

Tea and fishfingers now?
 
2012-05-25 01:55:01 PM
BTW, remember at the end of the episode Fear Her when the Doctor carries the Olympic Torch? Well Matt Smith is doing it in real life.
 
2012-05-25 01:59:47 PM
Why does he keep talking about this? Nobody cares.

I swear he's done the same interview every year since he quit.
 
2012-05-25 02:09:04 PM

Max Awesome: Why does he keep talking about this? Nobody cares.

I swear he's done the same interview every year since he quit.


If journalists will stop asking, he will stop talking about it.

Really, entertainment media interviews are usually the most banal pieces of crap because entertainment journalists are lazy as hell. Their research consists of looking the person up on Wikipedia and picking topics to ask about that have been asked about a gazillion times before. Just look at how many times Richard Armitage had to discuss working for the circus in Budapest for a summer...over 20 years ago.
 
2012-05-25 02:17:51 PM
I was discussing this with my wife the other day. She is a Tennant fan-gurl while I am all about Smith. We both liked Eccleston, but one series just didn't give us enough to proclaim him as the fave.

The thing I like about Smith is that he plays that ancient alien with a childlike demeanor so well. He can also scare you. I think the closest I ever saw to any bad-assery from Tennant was when he sentenced the Family(pops).
 
2012-05-25 02:21:34 PM

demonfaerie: SweetSilverBlues: EngineerAU: SweetSilverBlues: Torchwood is where they went berzerkynuts. It wasn't enough to have one or two bisexual and one or two gay, no, EVERYONE was bisexual.

It's been a while since I've watched Torchwood but who was gay besides Jack (who really could be called pansexual)? Ianto was bi and then there was the guest star who was Jack's old boyfriend that was gay but other than that, wasn't everybody else straight? Maybe the two women from the original Torchwood were lesbians? Certainly not major characters.

Gwen, Owen and Tosh all had multiple bi moments.

A British friend of mine jokes that to get a job at Torchwood one had to accept the existence of extra-terrestrial life and be sexually ambiguous.

I don't mind sexuality in stories when it fits. When it used just because, straight, gay, or bi, it bugs me. It's a sign of sloppy, lazy writing and a lack of faith in your own material.

Torchwood was better than that.

Children of Earth proved it, but too little, too late.

I also hate Gwen. Adore Ianto.

Can we trade Gwen for Tosh, Ianto, and Owen?

I agree with you there, but watching Captain Jack Harkness hit on everything and anything was amusing as hell. I am really pissed that when they kind of Americanized it, he became straight up gay.


Yes that. And the fact that they made the monster a giant vagina.

2.bp.blogspot.com

And Jack's old boyfriend was an omnisexual like Jack. He flirted with a poodle.
 
2012-05-25 02:25:14 PM

Pepperjack: The thing I like about Smith is that he plays that ancient alien with a childlike demeanor so well. He can also scare you. I think the closest I ever saw to any bad-assery from Tennant was when he sentenced the Family(pops).


That is exactly why I love Smith. RTD and Tennant "humanized" the Doctor too much. Moffat and Smith brought him back to his ancient alien self, that remoteness in his character. There is something "other" in Smith, something off and cold and slightly dangerous. Where Tenant, well, sometimes he got a little too "the Doctor as played by Bugs Bunny."

I also love what one reviewer said of Smith's physiognomy, "He looks like a young man assembled by old men from memory."

But he moment he had me was, "You know how grown ups say, "everything is going to be alright" and you know they are lying to make you feel better?"

"Yeah."

"Everything is going to be alright."
 
2012-05-25 02:25:38 PM

KiplingKat872: SweetSilverBlues:

That one's easy.

Rose's story arc.

Oh yeah.

I went there.

I agree.

Tea and fishfingers now?


Lovely! I'll bring the custard and jelly babies.
 
2012-05-25 02:34:09 PM

SweetSilverBlues: Slight threadjack.

I love Who threads. I have never come across nerdrage in a Who thread. Serious and passionate discussion and debate, yes. Nerdrage a l a Star Trek/Star Wars/BSG/Babylon 5, no. I've even seen Farscape nerdrage on Fark, although that was a long time ago.

In a Who thread? Nope.

No stupid apes in here.

/threadjack


You missed last year's new episode threads, where it wasn't yet acceptable to admit that Amy Pond is a horrible character, and woe to you if you dared to even say such a thing.

Back then, saying such a thing would piss off everyone. Now, you get a decent discussion out of it because the people are half and half.
 
2012-05-25 02:48:41 PM

FirstNationalBastard: SweetSilverBlues: Slight threadjack.

I love Who threads. I have never come across nerdrage in a Who thread. Serious and passionate discussion and debate, yes. Nerdrage a l a Star Trek/Star Wars/BSG/Babylon 5, no. I've even seen Farscape nerdrage on Fark, although that was a long time ago.

In a Who thread? Nope.

No stupid apes in here.

/threadjack

You missed last year's new episode threads, where it wasn't yet acceptable to admit that Amy Pond is a horrible character, and woe to you if you dared to even say such a thing.

Back then, saying such a thing would piss off everyone. Now, you get a decent discussion out of it because the people are half and half.


LOL yes I did miss that.

Boy she did turn into a real stinker of a character. If I'd been Rory I would have ended up punting her crazy ass out the front door of the TARDIS.

How do you say "punt" in Latin?
 
2012-05-25 02:52:34 PM

SweetSilverBlues: LOL yes I did miss that.

Boy she did turn into a real stinker of a character. If I'd been Rory I would have ended up punting her crazy ass out the front door of the TARDIS.

How do you say "punt" in Latin?


Amy started out as annoying character and has only gained a measure of coolness due to her association with Rory Williams, King of Awesome.
 
2012-05-25 03:09:06 PM

KiplingKat872: SweetSilverBlues: LOL yes I did miss that.

Boy she did turn into a real stinker of a character. If I'd been Rory I would have ended up punting her crazy ass out the front door of the TARDIS.

How do you say "punt" in Latin?

Amy started out as annoying character and has only gained a measure of coolness due to her association with Rory Williams, King of Awesome.


Rory IS awesome. I loved the idea of the Centurion, and wish I'd thought of it. Now all my friends have seen it, and there's no way I can work that into my Pathfinder game.
 
2012-05-25 03:14:06 PM

Mike Chewbacca: KiplingKat872: SweetSilverBlues: LOL yes I did miss that.

Boy she did turn into a real stinker of a character. If I'd been Rory I would have ended up punting her crazy ass out the front door of the TARDIS.

How do you say "punt" in Latin?

Amy started out as annoying character and has only gained a measure of coolness due to her association with Rory Williams, King of Awesome.

Rory IS awesome. I loved the idea of the Centurion, and wish I'd thought of it. Now all my friends have seen it, and there's no way I can work that into my Pathfinder game.


LOL

Considering my Palladium superhero based group is currently investigating some nastybad alien weapons being shipped by some company named Bad Wolf Incorporated, I'm getting a kick...

No, they don't watch Who. They won't know until I do my Tennant. :)
 
2012-05-25 03:16:09 PM

SweetSilverBlues: Mike Chewbacca: KiplingKat872: SweetSilverBlues: LOL yes I did miss that.

Boy she did turn into a real stinker of a character. If I'd been Rory I would have ended up punting her crazy ass out the front door of the TARDIS.

How do you say "punt" in Latin?

Amy started out as annoying character and has only gained a measure of coolness due to her association with Rory Williams, King of Awesome.

Rory IS awesome. I loved the idea of the Centurion, and wish I'd thought of it. Now all my friends have seen it, and there's no way I can work that into my Pathfinder game.

LOL

Considering my Palladium superhero based group is currently investigating some nastybad alien weapons being shipped by some company named Bad Wolf Incorporated, I'm getting a kick...

No, they don't watch Who. They won't know until I do my Tennant. :)


Sweet.
 
2012-05-25 03:21:52 PM

SweetSilverBlues: Mike Chewbacca: KiplingKat872: SweetSilverBlues: LOL yes I did miss that.

Boy she did turn into a real stinker of a character. If I'd been Rory I would have ended up punting her crazy ass out the front door of the TARDIS.

How do you say "punt" in Latin?

Amy started out as annoying character and has only gained a measure of coolness due to her association with Rory Williams, King of Awesome.

Rory IS awesome. I loved the idea of the Centurion, and wish I'd thought of it. Now all my friends have seen it, and there's no way I can work that into my Pathfinder game.

LOL

Considering my Palladium superhero based group is currently investigating some nastybad alien weapons being shipped by some company named Bad Wolf Incorporated, I'm getting a kick...

No, they don't watch Who. They won't know until I do my Tennant. :)


Must be nice! My whole group watches Doctor Who. I can't steal anything from it.
 
2012-05-25 03:37:50 PM

Mike Chewbacca: SweetSilverBlues: Mike Chewbacca: KiplingKat872: SweetSilverBlues: LOL yes I did miss that.

Boy she did turn into a real stinker of a character. If I'd been Rory I would have ended up punting her crazy ass out the front door of the TARDIS.

How do you say "punt" in Latin?

Amy started out as annoying character and has only gained a measure of coolness due to her association with Rory Williams, King of Awesome.

Rory IS awesome. I loved the idea of the Centurion, and wish I'd thought of it. Now all my friends have seen it, and there's no way I can work that into my Pathfinder game.

LOL

Considering my Palladium superhero based group is currently investigating some nastybad alien weapons being shipped by some company named Bad Wolf Incorporated, I'm getting a kick...

No, they don't watch Who. They won't know until I do my Tennant. :)

Must be nice! My whole group watches Doctor Who. I can't steal anything from it.


Well, it's interesting.

Doctor Who is based on time travel but dimensional is now strictly verboten.

The Palladium megaverse is the exact opposite.

I just could not resist.

I haven't had a megaverse ending threat in a while.

LOL, my heroes' Japan is the Full Metal Panic Japan.

Who will be easy. :)
 
2012-05-25 04:09:24 PM

SweetSilverBlues: To the previous posts regarding Doctor's Wife, it is my fave of the Smith run, and one I will watch as a standalone. But when it is all run together back-to-back during the season it loses a lot for me.

It's a very old fanfic device used for Star Trek, Star Wars, even 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. They played around with it in Andromeda. It's just a bit tired and I thought Gaiman could have done better.


Just because an idea has been used often in fanfic doesn't really make it a bad idea. The mark of a truly good writer is the ability to take a tired idea and put an entertaining spin on it that makes it fresh. A new writer starting out wants to avoid the pitfalls of fanfic, but more accomplished writers shouldn't toss out an idea just because it was overused in fanfic if they can make it work. I personally felt that Gaiman really made it work in his episode, especially since he was able to enshrine in canon some theories that have been floating around a while (such as the explanation for why the Doctor is so precise with piloting the TARDIS when it is a matter of life and death, yet so bad at hitting the mark when he is on a random holiday).
 
2012-05-25 04:14:31 PM

Mad_Radhu: SweetSilverBlues: To the previous posts regarding Doctor's Wife, it is my fave of the Smith run, and one I will watch as a standalone. But when it is all run together back-to-back during the season it loses a lot for me.

It's a very old fanfic device used for Star Trek, Star Wars, even 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. They played around with it in Andromeda. It's just a bit tired and I thought Gaiman could have done better.

Just because an idea has been used often in fanfic doesn't really make it a bad idea. The mark of a truly good writer is the ability to take a tired idea and put an entertaining spin on it that makes it fresh. A new writer starting out wants to avoid the pitfalls of fanfic, but more accomplished writers shouldn't toss out an idea just because it was overused in fanfic if they can make it work. I personally felt that Gaiman really made it work in his episode, especially since he was able to enshrine in canon some theories that have been floating around a while (such as the explanation for why the Doctor is so precise with piloting the TARDIS when it is a matter of life and death, yet so bad at hitting the mark when he is on a random holiday).


I agree that Gaiman did a lot with the episode, and as I said, it's my fave Smith.

I dunno. I guess I just heard Gaiman/Who and expected more.
 
2012-05-25 04:22:46 PM

SweetSilverBlues: Mad_Radhu: SweetSilverBlues: To the previous posts regarding Doctor's Wife, it is my fave of the Smith run, and one I will watch as a standalone. But when it is all run together back-to-back during the season it loses a lot for me.

It's a very old fanfic device used for Star Trek, Star Wars, even 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. They played around with it in Andromeda. It's just a bit tired and I thought Gaiman could have done better.

Just because an idea has been used often in fanfic doesn't really make it a bad idea. The mark of a truly good writer is the ability to take a tired idea and put an entertaining spin on it that makes it fresh. A new writer starting out wants to avoid the pitfalls of fanfic, but more accomplished writers shouldn't toss out an idea just because it was overused in fanfic if they can make it work. I personally felt that Gaiman really made it work in his episode, especially since he was able to enshrine in canon some theories that have been floating around a while (such as the explanation for why the Doctor is so precise with piloting the TARDIS when it is a matter of life and death, yet so bad at hitting the mark when he is on a random holiday).

I agree that Gaiman did a lot with the episode, and as I said, it's my fave Smith.

I dunno. I guess I just heard Gaiman/Who and expected more.


Well, it's hard not to. Gaiman is one of the couple people on the planet I would prostrate myself in front of were I to meet him (but then I remind myself he also write that execrable "Beowulf," we all have off days). But I think, for Doctor Who, for the tone of the show (he could go all Sandman/American Gods on an hour-long, family TV show), what he did was...Fantastic. ;)
 
2012-05-25 04:26:09 PM
"He couldN'T go all Sandman/American Gods..." Grr.
 
2012-05-25 05:34:27 PM

BohemianGraham: SweetSilverBlues: twat_waffle: StoPPeRmobile: FirstNationalBastard: I understand his decision to not want to go back to a role he has left.

However, he was in a farking GI Joe movie. If you can do that, take the damn cash and do a one shot as the Doctor!


Tuesday.

I heard that Raul Julia did that movie because his kids loved Street Fighter and asked him to. I'll give him a pass for that one.

/Eccleston dies not get a pass for either abortion I have seen him in.
//G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra sucked
///Seeker: The Dark Is Rising was worse

ANY television show based on Goodkind that isn't on Starz after 10 o'clock is doomed to suckage (pun somewhat intended).

Naw, just make that any television show based on Goodkind.

Uh, The Seeker: the Dark is Rising has nothing to do with Terry Goodkind at all. Susan Cooper could easily kick Goddkind's ass, and the book is far, far, far, far, far, FAR superior to the film. It's also the second book in the series.

It's still a bad movie, only good for watching whilst drunk, as it totally desecrates the book. You'd think that something good would have come out of it considering Eccleston, Ian McShane, and Jim Piddock were all involved. :(

I highly recommend you read the books, they're young adult, but they're still better than anything Goodkind has ever written.

/Tennant was such an annoying, whiny Emo-biatch. I prefer Smith and Eccleston, although Amy is beginning to drag on me.
//Smith and Eccleston are also much better looking than Tennant IMHO. Of course, my tastes in men are questionable since I think Peter Tork, Michael Palin, and Neil Young are insanely attractive


I am with you there. Eccleston is such a hottie. I always found him attractive. Tennant never did anything for me.

To continue with the Eccleston chat on G.I. Joe, he said he did it for the money. He pretty much admitted that he does American movies for money. Can't hate with him on that. Also I though G.I. Joe when it came to the villains were far more interesting than the good guys. I was pretty much rooting for the Joes to diaf. Plus Eccleston really needs to quit saying, "I don't bathe in the same river," crap. A river is constantly changing, one river will never be the same. So in that logic Doctor Who has changed, and could go back in it.
 
2012-05-25 06:04:52 PM

PizzaJedi81: zombiegoat: Always liked Eccleston as an actor, and I really enjoyed him as The Doctor. He had a very dark edge under the jocularity that mashed very well together. I was a little disappointed that he was only in one season, but he made a very good contribution to the series.

/and damn, was he scarily believable in 28 Days Later

I don't think that the show would have found the footing it did, had it been anyone other than Eccleston.


You want to see scary Eccleston? You should watch this:

fandangogroovers.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-05-25 07:25:10 PM

fusillade762: PizzaJedi81: zombiegoat: Always liked Eccleston as an actor, and I really enjoyed him as The Doctor. He had a very dark edge under the jocularity that mashed very well together. I was a little disappointed that he was only in one season, but he made a very good contribution to the series.

/and damn, was he scarily believable in 28 Days Later

I don't think that the show would have found the footing it did, had it been anyone other than Eccleston.

You want to see scary Eccleston? You should watch this:


Incredible character actor Eccleston?

Lennon Naked

Amazing, amazing.
 
2012-05-25 08:31:36 PM

mjbok: t3knomanser: She expands the universe interestingly, and it's enjoyable to see the idea of an out-of-sequence relationship playing out.

This is the thing that always bothered me about the River Song character, her timeline going opposite of the Doctor's. Before wibbly wobbly BS comes in (stupid non-explanation) I'll give you my understanding of time in the Whoverse.

The time stream is a constant, for everyone...except time travelers. Even for time travelers the time stream is constant when not outside the stream. When the Tardis (or other time travel type device) travels through time it jumps out of the time stream and jumps back in at another point in the stream. For everyone who was traveling together (in Tardis or other) their time streams were constant.

Example: Three people all are on Earth for one year. The time stream for all three has advanced one year. Two of the three pop into the Tardis and go forward one year. Person one has aged two years, persons two and three have aged just one year. Person three goes (by themselves) back four years and sits around for 1 year. Person three has now advanced two years in their time stream, persons one and two are one year back (before the beginning of this scenario) in the time stream. That being said, how the fark does RS's and the Doctor's time streams go in different directions?


It isn't a strict "reverse" timestream. It's just that the first time the Doctor meets River was the last time she met him. But it isn't exact, otherwise why would River need her diary to keep track? If every single meeting was exactly previous to the one before she wouldn't need a diary to tell her that. So we can assume lots of meetings were in chronological order while many others were not, possibly some by one or two and others (like Silence In The Library) at the total extreme.
 
2012-05-25 09:19:16 PM

Flint Ironstag: mjbok: t3knomanser: She expands the universe interestingly, and it's enjoyable to see the idea of an out-of-sequence relationship playing out.

This is the thing that always bothered me about the River Song character, her timeline going opposite of the Doctor's. Before wibbly wobbly BS comes in (stupid non-explanation) I'll give you my understanding of time in the Whoverse.

The time stream is a constant, for everyone...except time travelers. Even for time travelers the time stream is constant when not outside the stream. When the Tardis (or other time travel type device) travels through time it jumps out of the time stream and jumps back in at another point in the stream. For everyone who was traveling together (in Tardis or other) their time streams were constant.

Example: Three people all are on Earth for one year. The time stream for all three has advanced one year. Two of the three pop into the Tardis and go forward one year. Person one has aged two years, persons two and three have aged just one year. Person three goes (by themselves) back four years and sits around for 1 year. Person three has now advanced two years in their time stream, persons one and two are one year back (before the beginning of this scenario) in the time stream. That being said, how the fark does RS's and the Doctor's time streams go in different directions?

It isn't a strict "reverse" timestream. It's just that the first time the Doctor meets River was the last time she met him. But it isn't exact, otherwise why would River need her diary to keep track? If every single meeting was exactly previous to the one before she wouldn't need a diary to tell her that. So we can assume lots of meetings were in chronological order while many others were not, possibly some by one or two and others (like Silence In The Library) at the total extreme.


I've seen a few diagrams of her timeline drawn up. Here's the most up to date version that I can find via GIS:

fc00.deviantart.net
 
2012-05-25 09:34:05 PM

Flint Ironstag: mjbok: t3knomanser: She expands the universe interestingly, and it's enjoyable to see the idea of an out-of-sequence relationship playing out.

This is the thing that always bothered me about the River Song character, her timeline going opposite of the Doctor's. Before wibbly wobbly BS comes in (stupid non-explanation) I'll give you my understanding of time in the Whoverse.

The time stream is a constant, for everyone...except time travelers. Even for time travelers the time stream is constant when not outside the stream. When the Tardis (or other time travel type device) travels through time it jumps out of the time stream and jumps back in at another point in the stream. For everyone who was traveling together (in Tardis or other) their time streams were constant.

Example: Three people all are on Earth for one year. The time stream for all three has advanced one year. Two of the three pop into the Tardis and go forward one year. Person one has aged two years, persons two and three have aged just one year. Person three goes (by themselves) back four years and sits around for 1 year. Person three has now advanced two years in their time stream, persons one and two are one year back (before the beginning of this scenario) in the time stream. That being said, how the fark does RS's and the Doctor's time streams go in different directions?

It isn't a strict "reverse" timestream. It's just that the first time the Doctor meets River was the last time she met him. But it isn't exact, otherwise why would River need her diary to keep track? If every single meeting was exactly previous to the one before she wouldn't need a diary to tell her that. So we can assume lots of meetings were in chronological order while many others were not, possibly some by one or two and others (like Silence In The Library) at the total extreme.



Exactly, their relative timelines are 'backwards' in general, broad-strokes terms and for ease of description, not as a strict definition.

Moreover, you have the Doctor meeting River at multiple points in her own life at the same time, such as at Lake Silencio (fresh from her doctoral graduation, and some point during her subsequent incarceration),* in Florida (young child Melody and the aforementioned point during her incarceration), in the TARDIS in "First Night" & "Last Night" (three incarnations of her including just after her murder conviction, several years later during her confinement, and her still older self after being released from prison). Additionally, her young-adult Mels self is somewhere off-camera in town avoiding her parents' wedding reception while her older self and the Doctor attend.

* For that matter, incarcerated River interacted with the Doctor at/around Lake Silencio at two different points in his lifetime, a few hundred years apart (he doubled back to the same place/time in the season premier, as she tripled back to the same place/time in the mini-episodes that followed the season).

The Doctor and his companions meeting each other out of sequence has become a bit over-done at this point. During the entire run of the classic era, that only happened once, with Mel. In the comparatively shorter (so far) revived era, it's been the case with Rose (twice), Mickey, Martha (by a few hours), Amy (in "Good Night") and River.
 
2012-05-25 10:12:09 PM

KiplingKat872: "He couldN'T go all Sandman/American Gods..." Grr.


But MAN, wouldn't it be great if he could? Come ON, Showtime/HBO/AMC...get on it, already!
 
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