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2012-05-24 11:42:24 AM  
RIP, George
 
2012-05-24 11:47:02 AM  
It's kind of sad that in the 40 years since, only two of those words has been removed from that list.

/Tits really didn't belong on the list
//Hmmmm...Tater tits.
 
2012-05-24 11:48:27 AM  
shiat coont fark
 
2012-05-24 11:52:04 AM  
hunter2
 
2012-05-24 11:56:55 AM  
My mother says tits so I think it is time to remove it.
 
2012-05-24 11:57:35 AM  
Booger.
 
2012-05-24 11:57:39 AM  
I'd say piss and tits were certainly off the list today. Unless it's to say "I want you to piss on my tits", then it's still bound to excite/offend in equal measure. Much less offensive than "shiat on my coont", as evidenced by the filter.
 
2012-05-24 12:03:37 PM  

Snapper Carr: It's kind of sad that in the 40 years since, only two of those words has been removed from that list.

/Tits really didn't belong on the list
//Hmmmm...Tater tits.


Bet you can't eat just one!

/I usually switch off.
 
2012-05-24 12:07:52 PM  
Just to try to set the record straight...

Carlin's bit was called "Seven Words You Can Never Say On Television". Meaning, under no circumstances, in any sort of dialog, can you say any of these on TV (in 1972, anyway). "Ass" for example, wasn't on the list, because you could refer to, say, a donkey as an "ass". So, sometimes, "ass" is ok to say on TV. "Cocksucker" can't be said on TV on any show, for any reason; it was on the list.

It wasn't a definitive list, and wasn't to be set in stone. (He himself pointed out later that "fark" and "motherfarker" were really the same, and repetitive.)

He never meant it to be a list of words that you will never be able to say on TV, ever. Everyone misunderstands his intent, and the word "never" in the bit. (He got used to it and stopped explaining it, for the most part.)

His point was how language can have a duality, and censorship and morality is uneven and hypocritical. Later bits underscored this, for example, how we censor certain phonetics, but not the underlying concepts. ("Cocksucker" is out, "oral sex" is fine.) Language is used and abused by those in power to divide and control.

/Loves me some farking Carlin.
 
Skr
2012-05-24 12:14:24 PM  
Watched him in shining time station to see if he would slip in some innuendo.

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2012-05-24 12:32:42 PM  
Link
Yes, it's SFW. But your typing won't be.
 
2012-05-24 12:34:00 PM  

The President of Hittin' That Ass: He never meant it to be a list of words that you will never be able to say on TV, ever. Everyone misunderstands his intent, and the word "never" in the bit. (He got used to it and stopped explaining it, for the most part.)


For a long time people misunderstood Carlin. Still do really. That's why his work is different than a lot of comics and should be taken in repeatedly. There's a pretty philosophical angle to his material.
 
2012-05-24 12:44:01 PM  
As I read the article, I noticed the name of the editor of the online magazine, Tony Hendra, and thought, "nah- can't be the same guy who so classically played Ian Faith in 'This is Spinal Tap'." And lo and behold, it is!
 
2012-05-24 12:44:07 PM  
Submitter: Happy 40th to ****, ****, FARK, ****, **********, ************, and ****

You missed ****, dumbassmitter.
 
2012-05-24 12:47:45 PM  
I've always never understood the idea of "bad" words. It actually seems that people actually see words themselves as "bad" as opposed to the meaning behind those words.

For example, you can't call someone a piece of sh*t, and you can't call someone an a**hole. But you can call someone a dingleberry, which literally means "a piece of sh** hanging off an a**hole". And you can use that word in front of kindergarteners. Explain to me the logic of that.
 
2012-05-24 12:50:04 PM  

strangeguitar: RIP, George


This.

Shadowtag: For a long time people misunderstood Carlin. Still do really. That's why his work is different than a lot of comics and should be taken in repeatedly. There's a pretty philosophical angle to his material.


That.

His latter stuff was going to a dark place; but his 40th Anniversary show was awesome.
 
2012-05-24 12:50:07 PM  

Zombalupagus: I've always never understood the idea of "bad" words. It actually seems that people actually see words themselves as "bad" as opposed to the meaning behind those words.

For example, you can't call someone a piece of sh*t, and you can't call someone an a**hole. But you can call someone a dingleberry, which literally means "a piece of sh** hanging off an a**hole". And you can use that word in front of kindergarteners. Explain to me the logic of that.


You are right, poopiehead.
 
2012-05-24 12:56:05 PM  
Sadly, while piss and tits are OK now, and ass gets a pass...

no one EVER farts and acknowledges it. ever.

*shakes head
 
2012-05-24 01:19:24 PM  
HOW IS FARK OLD ENOUGH TO BE 40??
 
2012-05-24 01:25:11 PM  

Zombalupagus: I've always never understood the idea of "bad" words. It actually seems that people actually see words themselves as "bad" as opposed to the meaning behind those words.

For example, you can't call someone a piece of sh*t, and you can't call someone an a**hole. But you can call someone a dingleberry, which literally means "a piece of sh** hanging off an a**hole". And you can use that word in front of kindergarteners. Explain to me the logic of that.


There is no bad or good in words. The only bad/good comes from people. People think words are bad because they allow them to be.

There is a significant age difference between my sister and me and when she was little she heard me curse all the time. She started repeating them, to my parents horror, but she had no idea what they meant. Why would they be considered bad when she was just repeating words?. To her fark was no different than book, or tree. They were just words until she understood what they meant, and by that time she would be old enough to decide if she wanted to use them in her every day language.

People give way more meaning to words then they deserve to be honest. This was just another case of ignorant people afraid of words. Kind of like Republicans are afraid of facts.
 
2012-05-24 01:28:17 PM  

LesserEvil: Submitter: Happy 40th to ****, ****, FARK, ****, **********, ************, and ****

You missed ****, dumbassmitter.


You sure about that? Looks like all seven to me.
 
2012-05-24 01:33:41 PM  

The President of Hittin' That Ass: Just to try to set the record straight...

Carlin's bit was called "Seven Words You Can Never Say On Television". Meaning, under no circumstances, in any sort of dialog, can you say any of these on TV (in 1972, anyway). "Ass" for example, wasn't on the list, because you could refer to, say, a donkey as an "ass". So, sometimes, "ass" is ok to say on TV. "Cocksucker" can't be said on TV on any show, for any reason; it was on the list.

It wasn't a definitive list, and wasn't to be set in stone. (He himself pointed out later that "fark" and "motherfarker" were really the same, and repetitive.)

He never meant it to be a list of words that you will never be able to say on TV, ever. Everyone misunderstands his intent, and the word "never" in the bit. (He got used to it and stopped explaining it, for the most part.)

His point was how language can have a duality, and censorship and morality is uneven and hypocritical. Later bits underscored this, for example, how we censor certain phonetics, but not the underlying concepts. ("Cocksucker" is out, "oral sex" is fine.) Language is used and abused by those in power to divide and control.

/Loves me some farking Carlin.


Like how you can prick your finger, but you shouldn't finger your prick? Or Roberto Clemente has two balls on him, but you can't say 'I think he hurt his balls on that play?

/My favourite part of that bit
 
2012-05-24 01:48:28 PM  

McManus_brothers: LesserEvil: Submitter: Happy 40th to ****, ****, FARK, ****, **********, ************, and ****

You missed ****, dumbassmitter.

You sure about that? Looks like all seven to me.


Doh.....you are correct!

Too many Farks on the page, I guess.
 
2012-05-24 02:21:24 PM  

Zombalupagus: I've always never understood the idea of "bad" words. It actually seems that people actually see words themselves as "bad" as opposed to the meaning behind those words.

For example, you can't call someone a piece of sh*t, and you can't call someone an a**hole. But you can call someone a dingleberry, which literally means "a piece of sh** hanging off an a**hole". And you can use that word in front of kindergarteners. Explain to me the logic of that.


It's not about logic. It is about control.
 
2012-05-24 02:38:57 PM  

Zombalupagus: I've always never understood the idea of "bad" words. It actually seems that people actually see words themselves as "bad" as opposed to the meaning behind those words.

For example, you can't call someone a piece of sh*t, and you can't call someone an a**hole. But you can call someone a dingleberry, which literally means "a piece of sh** hanging off an a**hole". And you can use that word in front of kindergarteners. Explain to me the logic of that.


What I never understood was the "badness" in using synonyms. For example, I can say "crap", or "poop", or "dookie", but not "sh*t". WTF? It's like telling me I can't say "car" but can say "automobile" or "horseless carriage".

I also don't understand the religious angle against "cussin'". I mean, where does it say that "f*ck" or "c*nt" is wrong in there? I seem to recall that "bad language" is frowned upon. I get the not using God's name in vain part, and that's fine... but these other words don't really fit that mold (okay I realize there is a crowd that will say God = sh*t), but you guys know what I mean.

Blah.
 
2012-05-24 02:40:05 PM  
Of course, no one remembers the "Fart", "Turd", and "Twat" addendum.

Although two out of three of those would no longer be on the list, either.
 
2012-05-24 02:52:55 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Of course, no one remembers the "Fart", "Turd", and "Twat" addendum.

Although two out of three of those would no longer be on the list, either.


I don't know if I saw any of his shows that added those. My uncle had given me his copy of "Class Clown" that included the 7 Words bit on vinyl when I was a teenager. After my first listen I was a fan and transferred it to a cassette and listened to it regularly. I don't remember the Fart Turd or Twat additions being on that album, although I know he tended to add and change things throughout his shows.
 
2012-05-24 03:01:20 PM  

rickycal78: FirstNationalBastard: Of course, no one remembers the "Fart", "Turd", and "Twat" addendum.

Although two out of three of those would no longer be on the list, either.

I don't know if I saw any of his shows that added those. My uncle had given me his copy of "Class Clown" that included the 7 Words bit on vinyl when I was a teenager. After my first listen I was a fan and transferred it to a cassette and listened to it regularly. I don't remember the Fart Turd or Twat additions being on that album, although I know he tended to add and change things throughout his shows.


GC did a bit on a later album that was like a sequel to T7W, where he had a whole LIST of additions, and FTT was the first bit on the list.

There was "Filthy Words" on Occupation: Foole (checking my cds now), but I'm not sure if that's the one. Time for a GC marathon.
 
2012-05-24 03:04:23 PM  
Semprini

/like my aftershave
 
2012-05-24 03:35:29 PM  

Rwa2play: His latter stuff was going to a dark place; but his 40th Anniversary show was awesome.


That is an understatement. He was still pretty good, but a lot less funny and a lot more angry. More material to actually make you think. Most comedians will evolve over time, but he went from hippy dippy weather man
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2012-05-24 04:22:32 PM  
As a writer, i thank this man for showing me language unshackled. He taught me to take offense at being politically correct, that this "correctness" was a cage with no locks and no doors, that i was sitting in for some reason (a farking shiatty cage). I will not restrict myself in whole, there is a time and a place for every word, every dirty awful wonderful word in the english language.

I recently had a very bad stint of dates with a girl who didn't like my potty mouth. She said every time i cussed it made her skin crawl. The fact that her idea of a good evening was missionary in the dark (With God and Jesus watching) , lights off at 10pm made me even happier that me and that weird farking prude had a falling out.

BUT I DIGRESS. Language is awesome, use it to it's fullest extent, it can be a weapon to aid you or a cage to confine you.

RIP Carlin.
 
2012-05-24 05:38:52 PM  

HeadLever: Rwa2play: His latter stuff was going to a dark place; but his 40th Anniversary show was awesome.

That is an understatement. He was still pretty good, but a lot less funny and a lot more angry. More material to actually make you think. Most comedians will evolve over time, but he went from hippy dippy weather man
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I think part of it was laziness (his and the audience's). People had learned that listening to Carlin was going to result in getting shot between the metaphorical eyes. And people went to the show for the edgy pay-off. So, why spend time building to the point, when the audience was just interested in the punchline now? And without the build-up, Carlin is just cranky. He basically took the fine tradition of rhetoric and boiled it down to shouting on a street corner. However, because (1) we all remembered the storyteller and mapped it onto him no matter how far he strayed, and (2) he is Carlin, and thus way ahead of others, he never got the negative feed-back needed to stop the slide. And that is sad; because the fun of Carlin wasn't in the punchline, but being merrily, and knowingly, led down the primrose path
 
2012-05-24 05:40:12 PM  
Loved George. F**k you worthless bastard co*ksucking pieces of sh*t - you f*cking tw*ts don't know your ass from a f*cking hole in the ground, stupid sons of b*tches.
 
2012-05-24 06:10:18 PM  
The Avengers

QUIM.
 
2012-05-24 08:05:30 PM  
Damn, we really need George right now.
Miss him every day.
 
2012-05-24 09:32:59 PM  

HeadLever: Rwa2play: His latter stuff was going to a dark place; but his 40th Anniversary show was awesome.

That is an understatement. He was still pretty good, but a lot less funny and a lot more angry. More material to actually make you think. Most comedians will evolve over time, but he went from hippy dippy weather man
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And this would be his theme song. Angry Young Man
 
2012-05-25 03:18:23 AM  
If any of you guys have twitter his widow is on there. She goes by @spotwade She also wrote a really beautiful book about their romance. It's called The George Carlin Letters: The Permanent Courtship of Sally Wade. You should check it out. It shines a very different light on George. She's also an incredibly sweet lady. She talks a lot about George on her twitter.
 
2012-05-25 06:41:13 AM  

nimawai: If any of you guys have twitter his widow is on there. She goes by @spotwade She also wrote a really beautiful book about their romance. It's called The George Carlin Letters: The Permanent Courtship of Sally Wade. You should check it out. It shines a very different light on George. She's also an incredibly sweet lady. She talks a lot about George on her twitter.


Dennis Miller interviewed her when the book came out. Very interesting insights. It got dusty in the car when I heard her. She seems like a wonderful person. And on her comments, George was an unbelievably kind human being.

/Don't forget about the 2443 dirty words at georgecarlin.com
//I might have to klart...
 
2012-05-25 07:55:29 AM  

Ed Becker: nimawai: If any of you guys have twitter his widow is on there. She goes by @spotwade She also wrote a really beautiful book about their romance. It's called The George Carlin Letters: The Permanent Courtship of Sally Wade. You should check it out. It shines a very different light on George. She's also an incredibly sweet lady. She talks a lot about George on her twitter.

Dennis Miller interviewed her when the book came out. Very interesting insights. It got dusty in the car when I heard her. She seems like a wonderful person. And on her comments, George was an unbelievably kind human being.

/Don't forget about the 2443 dirty words at georgecarlin.com
//I might have to klart...


She is incredibly kind. I've talked with her quite a bit on twitter. She even sent me her book & signed it for me. I love hearing her stories about George.

She's even shared a few of their home movies. Spot was their dog together. She shared a couple videos of him playing with their dogs. It was incredibly sweet.

I seriously suggest finding a copy of her book. It's funny & really sweet. It paints George in such a different light. He was very romantic. Something I surely didn't think he was. It's also very beautifully put together. Definitely worth reading.
 
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