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(LA Times)   Six months in the life of a woman "caught up" in the cycle of poverty. "She took the test - and failed. But rather than study and take it again, she shrugged it off. 'I guess I am not working for a reason,' she said"   (latimes.com) divider line 871
    More: Obvious, cycle of poverty, Natalie Cole, cash assistance, finishing schools, whirls, Kennedy School, Urban Institute, Cannabis  
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2012-05-24 11:48:09 AM
TFA
Cole, 27, and her four children

Well there's your problem.
 
2012-05-24 12:01:03 PM

Jubeebee: TFA
Cole, 27, and her four children

Well there's your problem.


I agree. She really needs to thin that litter out. I bet killing two would go a long way in helping her situation. Maybe just keep the oldest. They can usually fend for themselves a little better than the young leeches.
 
2012-05-24 12:06:07 PM

Vodka Zombie: I agree. She really needs to thin that litter out. I bet killing two would go a long way in helping her situation. Maybe just keep the oldest. They can usually fend for themselves a little better than the young leeches.


That's a relatively modest proposal.
 
2012-05-24 12:11:14 PM
Done in one.
 
2012-05-24 12:15:52 PM
:grabs jiffy-pop:
 
2012-05-24 12:15:56 PM
How could this happen to someone with such a successful recording career?
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2012-05-24 12:16:18 PM
So vote Republican.

Republicanism: Policy by anecdote since 1980.
 
2012-05-24 12:16:28 PM
Lowered expectations...
 
2012-05-24 12:16:47 PM
My dad is this way. I consider it beyond chronic depression. It's this resignation upon a single failure that they will never be any good at much of anything. It makes no sense to me, but I'm certain there's childhood abuse of some kind involved.
 
2012-05-24 12:16:50 PM
In her early teens, Cole started drinking and smoking pot, dropped out of school and got pregnant. At 17, she was raising two children: Peter, now 12, and Destiny, 10.

15 and pregnant typically doesn't work out well for any involved. There's a reason we have abortion in this country. How many of her kids do you think will grow up to be productive members of society? At least moving all the time they won't be able to become gang members, I guess.
 
2012-05-24 12:16:53 PM

Jubeebee: TFA
Cole, 27, and her four children

Well there's your problem.


with either a working husband or a stable support system of extended family, having 4 kids at 27 isn't ridiculous.
 
2012-05-24 12:17:11 PM
Some people are just broken. I'm fine with giving them food.
 
2012-05-24 12:17:31 PM

Shaggy_C: At 17, she was raising two children: Peter, now 12, and Destiny, 10


Now THAT's a problem.
 
2012-05-24 12:17:37 PM
MOAR STORIES TO JUSTIFY OBSCENE INCOME INEQUALITY AND MAKE US FEEL UNSYMPATHETIC TOWARD POOR PEOPLE - WEALTHY PEOPLE ARE NEVER LAZY
 
2012-05-24 12:17:38 PM
Had a kid by 15? Didn't learn and now has 4? Fails a "food safety test?"

Still getting $1,000/mo from the government?
 
2012-05-24 12:18:02 PM
Those kids have a very bright future ahead of them.
 
2012-05-24 12:18:17 PM

Big Man On Campus: It's this resignation upon a single failure that they will never be any good at much of anything


Yep, and it's a biatch to resolve. It can be done, just takes people willing to do what it takes to undo it and have the patience for the person in question to come around.
 
2012-05-24 12:18:19 PM
Over in 1.
 
2012-05-24 12:19:15 PM

markfara: Those kids have a very bright future ahead of them.


With people like you around they certainly do.
 
2012-05-24 12:20:04 PM

netweavr: Had a kid by 15? Didn't learn and now has 4? Fails a "food safety test?"

Still getting $1,000/mo from the government?


Why is that a problem?
 
2012-05-24 12:20:08 PM
DNRTFA (Because LA Times crashes my Firefox) but I'm certain 9without having to look) that she's an unsuccessful and unattractive african-american.
 
2012-05-24 12:20:40 PM

IAmRight: MOAR STORIES TO JUSTIFY OBSCENE INCOME INEQUALITY AND MAKE US FEEL UNSYMPATHETIC TOWARD POOR PEOPLE - WEALTHY PEOPLE ARE NEVER LAZY


What do you expect from a right wing extemist rag like the LA Times?
 
2012-05-24 12:21:39 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Some people are just broken. I'm fine with giving them food.


And spending a little bit to keep as many of her kids as unbroken as possible.
 
2012-05-24 12:21:56 PM
Is this the thread where people get to be all snotty and say people like her are the reason government help programs need defunded? If so be glad you've never been poor. It's not farking "easy" in any sense.
 
2012-05-24 12:22:02 PM
Persistence is a characteristic of successful people.

/this would not be her, it seems
 
2012-05-24 12:23:04 PM

Jubeebee: TFA
Cole, 27, and her four children

Well there's your problem.


She couldn't pass the food safety test at little ceasars and then couldn't come up with a reason to try to take it again(when a part-time job at little ceasars is a huge opportunity for her), I'd say she may have some other problems besides just the kids
 
2012-05-24 12:23:12 PM
FTA: In the classroom, Cole asked the teacher about a janitor's job. "Do you have a resume?" the teacher asked. Cole shook her head. The teacher urged her to write one. Cole never did.

The children are not her problem, they are a symptom of her being lazy, stupid, and irresponsible.
 
2012-05-24 12:23:14 PM
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Help control the poor population. Have your poor spayed or neutered.
 
2012-05-24 12:23:36 PM
Liberals would prefer she aborted all her children before they came to term, Conservaitves would rather she keep the children but refuse them the Dole till they're 18 and can shoot a gun.
 
2012-05-24 12:23:42 PM
Ugh. Sad story.

Not everyone as is awesome as Total Farkers.
 
2012-05-24 12:24:01 PM
TFA: "rather than study and take it again, she shrugged it off."

No, *that's* the reason. She was never educated.
She was likely raised to believe she could never *be* educated.
I'd put money on her having trouble even reading and writing.

Having children early and often is merely a symptom.
If she was socialized and raised to believe she can never be anything she wasn't born to be, the only thing left is her uterus.
Because none of us were *born* to be anything more. Everything beyond fighting, farking and getting high, we have to work at.
 
2012-05-24 12:24:04 PM

DrewCurtisJr: they are a symptom of her being lazy, stupid, and irresponsible.


Or perhaps some other issues.
 
2012-05-24 12:24:28 PM

pehvbot: HotWingConspiracy: Some people are just broken. I'm fine with giving them food.

And spending a little bit to keep as many of her kids as unbroken as possible.


Just don't give her foodstamps as she apparently can't be trusted around food.
 
2012-05-24 12:24:33 PM
"Poverty is bad for kids," said Harvard Kennedy School professor Kathryn Edin, who studies poverty policy. "It just makes everything a struggle."

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2012-05-24 12:24:46 PM

Jubeebee: Well there's your problem.


BRILLIANT! You've cracked the case! Please forward your mailing address to the Nobel Prize committee so they can send your your farking medal.

Okay. The problem is that she had too many kids too young. Since there's nothing to be done about that now, how does she fix her life? What should society do to prevent her kids from ending up like her?

Problem-finding is easier than problem-solving.
 
2012-05-24 12:24:54 PM

Jubeebee: Vodka Zombie: I agree. She really needs to thin that litter out. I bet killing two would go a long way in helping her situation. Maybe just keep the oldest. They can usually fend for themselves a little better than the young leeches.

That's a relatively modest proposal.


High brow zingers!

/ me heart the Fark
 
2012-05-24 12:25:19 PM

Vodka Zombie: Jubeebee: TFA
Cole, 27, and her four children

Well there's your problem.

I agree. She really needs to thin that litter out. I bet killing two would go a long way in helping her situation. Maybe just keep the oldest. They can usually fend for themselves a little better than the young leeches.


hahah that was so terrible I spilled my coffee while laughing. I think she should get entrepreneurial about it and make her children fight in a battle royale. Charge admission and the winner gets to eat that night. Now that would be bootstrappy
 
2012-05-24 12:25:22 PM
In before "Fartbongo's 'merica".
 
2012-05-24 12:25:31 PM
I could write this SAME article following mentally depressed, uneducated, uninspired lazy unproductive trust fund recipients who are taxed at a marginally lower rate than front line workers.

would that help?

Everybody has bemoaned the fool who has plenty to eat since people first learned language, it doesnt mean we ought not have any social safety net.

I have worked with clients like the woman in this story ...they need a lot of case management, but in Canada where I live ...a public investment of about $6500 gets them back to work, off assistance and paying taxes.

She needs education - but not just the kind that employers are looking for. She needs training in life skills that apparently she never learned at home or school and she needs help learning skills employers need (like food safety, or first aid) and she needs to learn a skill that the market place of employers is willing to buy.

what GOP supporters in the USA seem to not understand is that it costs society LESS to help them than to incarcerate them.
 
2012-05-24 12:25:32 PM
FTA: She wants to provide a better life for her children but seems not to know how.
---------------
Step 1 - don't have children.
 
2012-05-24 12:25:48 PM

A Terrible Human: Is this the thread where people get to be all snotty and say people like her are the reason government help programs need defunded? If so be glad you've never been poor. It's not farking "easy" in any sense.


I argue that these programs are necessary and shouldn't be eliminated because of people like her who I would argue abuse the system (though there are more egregious offenders), but it highlights that we need to rethink our process. We need a major, serious effort to overhaul our education and welfare programs to truly help people help themselves.
 
2012-05-24 12:25:53 PM
Heeeere we go.
 
2012-05-24 12:26:48 PM
Destiny, 10

Let me tell you yours. In 7 years, you will already have a kid. In 8 years, that will be your stripper name.
 
2012-05-24 12:27:05 PM

A Terrible Human: Is this the thread where people get to be all snotty and say people like her are the reason government help programs need defunded? If so be glad you've never been poor. It's not farking "easy" in any sense.


How about the thread where people who've done in-the-trenches social work say the system is broken and really needs a reboot? If there were a workable accountability component to welfare people would fare much more well. Not sure how to do it, though.

/yeah, second sentence is awkward
 
2012-05-24 12:27:06 PM
Fark commenters are getting too predictable.
 
2012-05-24 12:27:27 PM
We should take money away from evil corporations and rich people who don't deserve it and give to people like this.
 
2012-05-24 12:27:33 PM
Orozco told her to keep trying. "Children are a blessing. You are just gonna have to be stable."

This is a bit of a problem... why is her counselor telling her that children are a "blessing"? I feel like it shouldn't be encouraged.
 
2012-05-24 12:27:40 PM

Quasar: We need a major, serious effort to overhaul our education and welfare programs to truly help people help themselves.


Good luck convincing certain people you need to increase the number of social workers by a huge amount in order to be able to actually take care of people and not just shuffle paperwork around.
 
2012-05-24 12:27:50 PM
i know people just like this. its just insane to watch how they consistently sabotage their own lives with bad decision after bad decision. you feel sorry for them, but you also want to slap some sense into them.
 
2012-05-24 12:28:02 PM

WhyteRaven74: Big Man On Campus: It's this resignation upon a single failure that they will never be any good at much of anything

Yep, and it's a biatch to resolve. It can be done, just takes people willing to do what it takes to undo it and have the patience for the person in question to come around.




So someone else has to motivate her and be patient until she wants to help her helpers help her become unpoor?


WTF?
 
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