a kid born with a c-section has no reason to live.

they might as well be gay.

or obese.

or overweight (but not a body builder)

Maybe they were too fat to begin with, hence the need for a c section?

thomps: The researchers analyzed the babies' BMI and a measure of body fatness called a skin-fold test when the children were 3 years old.

THIS STUDY IS BULLSH*T MY 3 YEAR OLD IS AN ATHLETE AND THAT'S WHY HIS BMI IS HIGH AND SKIN FOLDS ARE AWESOME AND NOT AN INDICATION OF FATNESS F*CK YOU SCIENTISTS

The article mentions using BMI to measure the kids. I thought it wasn't supposed to be used to measure children.

Roller Bob: People who believe in natural birth ONLY are trying to scare mothers out of c-sections.

I'm inclined to believe this.

/Had a necessary, scheduled c-section with first
//Kiddo's not at all fat

My 4-month old c-section twins are around the 10th percentile for their weight. They've got some catching up to if they want to be the big tub-o-goo fatties that they're apparently destined to become

Mothers who delivered by c-section were generally heavier than the others

The generally heavier cohort of mothers gave birth to the generally heavier cohort of children and this is reported as being linked to c-sections? I really hope the actual study accounts for that. Otherwise, these guys went full retard.

H31N0US: Maybe they were too fat to begin with, hence the need for a c section?

Or maybe the mom was too lazy/impatient for real birth, therefore too lazy/impatient to feed the spawn proper nutrition.

thomps: Troublesome Strumpet: The article mentions using BMI to measure the kids. I thought it wasn't supposed to be used to measure children.

no, you're thinking of BBD, which definitely shouldn't be used to measure kids. pervert.

Boyz II Men, ABC, BBD....

Troublesome Strumpet: The article mentions using BMI to measure the kids. I thought it wasn't supposed to be used to measure children.

Roller Bob: People who believe in natural birth ONLY are trying to scare mothers out of c-sections.

I'm inclined to believe this.

/Had a necessary, scheduled c-section with first
//Kiddo's not at all fat

Actually BMI is probably better when used on children than when applied to adults, pre puberty there isn't a huge stocky vs lanky factor.

On BMI 2 guys the same height and weight are equal regardless of bodyfat % or lean weight. So a guy with a 40 inch chest and a 38 inch waist (ie fat) is exactly the same as a guy with a 46 inch chest and a 32 inch waist

I'm curious: did the study differentiate between elective C-sections versus medically necessary C-sections, or did it lump them together?

I ask because while birth is much less of a beautiful process than certain quarters would have us believe, neither would it make a good follow-up to certain shock videos. It's worth looking into this "acquisition of digestive bacteria" hypothesis, because if it did turn out to carry some weight then that would suggest possible ways to counter the problem and perhaps even cure other people with the problem. But I don't think it's likely.

That said, I've often wondered if certain apparently-heritable social problems are memetic in nature rather than genetic: in other words, that subby might actually have a point. Might the mindsets that lead people to choose elective C-sections, or a subset of those mindsets, prove to be obesity risks for their children, heritable because of all the things kids learn from their parents rather than through actual genetics? A study like that would be interesting, but in our current socio-philosophical climate, I'm not sure if people would dare to do such a thing.

Roller Bob: I call bullshiat on this! If you feed your kids junk food they will get fat! My wife had a c-section per her doctors orders and our son is not anywhere near fat. We feed him healthy food and no sodas. Some fat kids are more prone to be from a lot of factors not jut how they are born.

/flawed study is flawed

Good point. Your single anecdotal observations certainly trumps and "scientific study". Also, no trend has exceptions.

This should be a good popcorn thread.

wherein parents who had elective ceasarians dismiss the study, parents who had nonelective ceasarians fail to read the article and get defensive, and natural chilbirth advocates argue with both.

Roller Bob: I call bullshiat on this! If you feed your kids junk food they will get fat! My wife had a c-section per her doctors orders and our son is not anywhere near fat. We feed him healthy food and no sodas. Some fat kids are more prone to be from a lot of factors not jut how they are born.

/flawed study is flawed

You have convinced me with your data point.

WhippingBoy: They really seem to be stretching in order to find new excuses as to why people are fat.

I'm morbidly obese because:

[ ] Thyroid!
[ ] Genetics
[ ] I'm in equilibrium with my natural body size
[ ] I was delivered by c-section
[ ] I assume I have a medical condition whereby my body leaches ambient calories from the air

Remember: Nothing is ever your fault. Ever.

Except the ghey, *that* is a choice freely made.

/what a country we live in, where being fat is genetic but being gay is a choice...

i bet its more the personality types of the people who choose c-section over regular birth than the c-section itself. they probably have a tendency to be more sloth-like, and feed their kids fast food more instead of cooking healthy meals. plus it is well known that lack of breast feeding(giving soy-based formula instead) will increase the chances of the baby turning out fat.

WhippingBoy: They really seem to be stretching in order to find new excuses as to why people are fat.

I'm morbidly obese because:

[ ] Thyroid!
[ ] Genetics
[ ] I'm in equilibrium with my natural body size
[ ] I was delivered by c-section
[ ] I assume I have a medical condition whereby my body leaches ambient calories from the air

Remember: Nothing is ever your fault. Ever.

People get fat because they eat too much crappy food and don't get enough exercise.
Yes, it is your fault.

/obv.

So my neighbor has 3 boys. The middle one is skinny and non-athletic, while the other 2 are chunky constant motion machines. Genetics be damned, it must be the method of birth.

Yes...lazy. That's exactly what all caesareans are. There is never any medical reason for them whatsoever. /eyeroll

dotSylvia: Yes...lazy. That's exactly what all caesareans are. There is never any medical reason for them whatsoever. /eyeroll

While the headline is misleading, the article is about women for whom a Caesarean section is a matter of preference (as stated in the first line of the story)

Roller Bob: I call bullshiat on this! If you feed your kids junk food they will get fat! My wife had a c-section per her doctors orders and our son is not anywhere near fat. We feed him healthy food and no sodas. Some fat kids are more prone to be from a lot of factors not jut how they are born.

/flawed study is flawed

Mine is also a single data point, but my son was born c-section and he has about 6% body fat. Plays rugby, can run a marathon on any given Sunday, etc.

My son was a csection baby. I tried popping him out the old fashioned way but he was 10lbs 23 inches long. I vow to never put watered down pepsi in his bottle.

/surprisingly I didnt have gestational diabetes
//my first kid was regular delivery, 9lbs 21 inches

Wait...was Caesar obese?

what the hell is this article? my daughter was c-section because she was breach and her legs were all jammed up the wrong way and wasn't coming out any other way.

/6 months of legs braces 24/7
//she's great now, and skinny too
///slashsieesiseisissss

I was born via c-section (medical necessity) and I'm the only one in my family who is in shape...

W C Feels: Roller Bob: I call bullshiat on this! If you feed your kids junk food they will get fat! My wife had a c-section per her doctors orders and our son is not anywhere near fat. We feed him healthy food and no sodas. Some fat kids are more prone to be from a lot of factors not jut how they are born.

/flawed study is flawed

Mine is also a single data point, but my son was born c-section and he has about 6% body fat. Plays rugby, can run a marathon on any given Sunday, etc.

My single data point is I'm caesarian and currently fat but wasn't prior to an orthopedic injury

WhippingBoy: They really seem to be stretching in order to find new excuses as to why people are fat.

I'm morbidly obese because:

[ ] Thyroid!
[ ] Genetics
[ ] I'm in equilibrium with my natural body size
[ ] I was delivered by c-section
[ ] I assume I have a medical condition whereby my body leaches ambient calories from the air

Remember: Nothing is ever your fault. Ever.

[ ] rs6548238
[ ] rs925946
[ ] rs7138803
[ ] rs9939609
[ ] rs13130484
[ ] rs4788102
[ ] rs10838738
[ ] rs10871777
[ ] rs12970134
[ ] rs....

/Modern science has given us lots of new and better excuses.

thomps: The researchers analyzed the babies' BMI and a measure of body fatness called a skin-fold test when the children were 3 years old.

THIS STUDY IS BULLSH*T MY 3 YEAR OLD IS AN ATHLETE AND THAT'S WHY HIS BMI IS HIGH AND SKIN FOLDS ARE AWESOME AND NOT AN INDICATION OF FATNESS F*CK YOU SCIENTISTS

I enjoyed your post, but I wish to point out that a skin fold test isn't just counting them and/or looking for extra pb&j's or that remote you lost last month. It's pinching a fold of skin from different areas of the body, and measuring the thickness of the pinched skin. If anyone is old enough to remember "Can you pinch an inch?" I was always a pretty thin kid, and I thought the inch they were talking about meant lengthwise, not thinckness wise. Since I didn't have much in the way of belly fat, I could pull the belly skin out way more than an inch. I'm lucky that commercial didn't give me an eating disorder.

Well, we will see. My daughter was emergency c-section....it was either that or death.

j_twelve

what the hell is this article? my daughter was c-section because she was breach and her legs were all jammed up the wrong way and wasn't coming out any other way.

/6 months of legs braces 24/7

oh snap...my son has been breach the whole time and will be born in a month. I hadn't even thought about the legs. I wonder if that is pretty common to need leg braces if you are breach. Yikes.

Diogenes: Babies are just like pasta at that point.

Delicious?

/seeing a whole lotta correlation in the article, not buying it.

and he will be c-section as well.

Both of my children were born via c-sections. One is a picky eater, tall and skinny, and the other is quite chunky.

Regardless, it's my wife and my job to teach our children about healthy and balanced diets, exercise and lifestyles as they grow. McDonald's is a once or twice a month treat. Desert is something we get about once a week. On the other hand, fruits and vegetables are served every meal. And TV time is limited to one hour a day.

Just based on our builds and that of our family members, One of our daughters is probably going to be the classic tall blond with blue eyes, while our little one will probably be built like an East German swimmer. Mom and I will do our best to make sure both of them have healthy body images no matter what genetic cards they've been dealt.

thomps: BigBooper: Desert is something we get about once a week.

if they bring that up, tell them to Gobi fat somewhere else.

That's a rather arid response.

busy chillin': Well, we will see. My daughter was emergency c-section....it was either that or death.

j_twelve

what the hell is this article? my daughter was c-section because she was breach and her legs were all jammed up the wrong way and wasn't coming out any other way.

/6 months of legs braces 24/7

oh snap...my son has been breach the whole time and will be born in a month. I hadn't even thought about the legs. I wonder if that is pretty common to need leg braces if you are breach. Yikes.

No worries. It's not common at all. It is more likely that there was an orthopedic problem with that baby pre-birth, which caused the breach presentation, rather than the breach presentation causing a lasting orthopedic problem.

lol this is BS id say there was more to the breastfed/formula thing then this. learned habits at a young age.

feeding that formula crap to an infant should be outlawed...tastes like crap.

namegoeshere: busy chillin': Well, we will see. My daughter was emergency c-section....it was either that or death.

j_twelve

what the hell is this article? my daughter was c-section because she was breach and her legs were all jammed up the wrong way and wasn't coming out any other way.

/6 months of legs braces 24/7

oh snap...my son has been breach the whole time and will be born in a month. I hadn't even thought about the legs. I wonder if that is pretty common to need leg braces if you are breach. Yikes.

No worries. It's not common at all. It is more likely that there was an orthopedic problem with that baby pre-birth, which caused the breach presentation, rather than the breach presentation causing a lasting orthopedic problem.

I meant to also say, the laaaaaarge majority of breach babbies are fine, just inverted.

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: lol this is BS id say there was more to the breastfed/formula thing then this. learned habits at a young age.

feeding that formula crap to an infant should be outlawed...tastes like crap.

It is life- and brain-saving when there is a problem with breastfeeding. It is good that there is an alternative.

That said, boobies are best.