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(Detroit Free Press)   If underdog Michigan upsets Alabama, chances are good the Wolverines will play for the national title   (freep.com) divider line 45
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2012-05-24 10:11:54 AM
Yankees always upset Alabama.
 
2012-05-24 11:33:42 AM
Muck Fichigan
 
2012-05-24 11:34:29 AM
RE-MATCH
RE-MATCH
RE-MATCH
 
2012-05-24 11:48:46 AM
VERY well played, subby.
 
2012-05-24 11:49:22 AM
And if Vanderbilt goes undefeated in the SEC, chances are good the Commodores will play for the national title.

/as long as we're talking about sh*t that has no chance of happening.
 
2012-05-24 11:52:25 AM
Bah I guess I have to start clicking on articles again.
 
2012-05-24 12:06:58 PM

IAmRight: And if Vanderbilt goes undefeated in the SEC, chances are good the Commodores will play for the national title.

/as long as we're talking about sh*t that has no chance of happening.


If by "undefeated", you mean, didn't lose a game, Vanderbilt didn't lose a single game in the SEC (being overly pedantic) but won't have any chance of playing for the national title. You kind of have to actually field a team first, which Vanderbilt doesn't.
 
2012-05-24 12:08:06 PM

IAmRight: Bah I guess I have to start clicking on articles again.


Bah I guess I have to start reading to the end of the threads before getting snarky.
 
2012-05-24 12:12:08 PM
I almost commented here before it went live, but luckily I stopped and read the article prior to hitting "Add Comment."
 
2012-05-24 12:23:35 PM
Denard will get the heisman too!!
 
2012-05-24 12:25:37 PM
ha, subby, good one.

'Bama football fans, I don't think any Michigan fan is really entertaining the idea of a win down in Dallas, not to mention the whole mythical national championship thing.

/ just winning the B1G/going to the rose bowl is barely in the discussion for Michigan
 
2012-05-24 12:38:16 PM

legion_of_doo: ha, subby, good one.

'Bama football fans, I don't think any Michigan fan is really entertaining the idea of a win down in Dallas, not to mention the whole mythical national championship thing.

/ just winning the B1G/going to the rose bowl is barely in the discussion for Michigan


A close friend is a Wolverines fan and said in no uncertain terms, winning a National Championship is secondary to winning the Big Ten. I don't understand college football fans at all.

As a Bears fan beating up on Green Bay is always a plus, but if someone told me Chicago would get swept by the Packers but win the Superbowl, I'd call it good.

*shrug*
 
2012-05-24 12:43:43 PM

JRaynor: A close friend is a Wolverines fan and said in no uncertain terms, winning a National Championship is secondary to winning the Big Ten. I don't understand college football fans at all


Michigan isn't winning a national championship without winning a Big Ten championship first under the current 2-team system. When they go to the 4 team playoff, maybe. But winning your conference is still going to be the first step to winning a title in that, since they will likely go with the first three conference champs ranked 6 or better along with one highest ranked "wild card" that could be a conference winner or one that didn't win its conference.
 
2012-05-24 01:05:57 PM

GQueue: JRaynor: A close friend is a Wolverines fan and said in no uncertain terms, winning a National Championship is secondary to winning the Big Ten. I don't understand college football fans at all

Michigan isn't winning a national championship without winning a Big Ten championship first under the current 2-team system. When they go to the 4 team playoff, maybe. But winning your conference is still going to be the first step to winning a title in that, since they will likely go with the first three conference champs ranked 6 or better along with one highest ranked "wild card" that could be a conference winner or one that didn't win its conference.


Alabama didn't win the SEC. They didn't even win their division.
 
2012-05-24 01:06:02 PM

JRaynor: A close friend is a Wolverines fan and said in no uncertain terms, winning a National Championship is secondary to winning the Big Ten. I don't understand college football fans at all.


Worry about what you can control, then worry about what you can't. Why put more importance on events you have no control over?

Like I had an Airman in the Guard who kicked ass - was always volunteering in the community, organized several events, volunteered to work on the base to provide support to other units so they could send people overseas and have everything taken care of at home. If she had said that getting "Airman of the Year" awards were the most important thing to her, then she would've gone crazy, because no matter what she does, there are other Airmen in the state who go out on combat missions and get a bunch of confirmed kills and stuff. One year, the guy who won it took down a gunman who was shooting up downtown. Volunteering all year isn't going to beat that out, ever, for an award. My Airman knows she kicks ass and she does it to help people and because she enjoys helping.

Similarly, for the most part, Michigan could whoop ass all year and as long as there are good SEC teams and maybe a good Big XII team, people are always going to act as though those teams are more impressive. So why put importance on that?
 
2012-05-24 01:08:13 PM
in the B1G, the Rose Bowl tradition is bigger than the BcS voting contest.

it just is.

not that it isn't a tremendous honor to be named #1, but the national championship in college football just doesn't work like the nfl or March madness. and in the B1G, some of the traditions matter more. the Rose Bowl week is an event because we still care about it, the granddaddy of them all.
 
2012-05-24 01:09:36 PM

JRaynor: A close friend is a Wolverines fan and said in no uncertain terms, winning a National Championship is secondary to winning the Big Ten. I don't understand college football fans at all.


Michigan and OSU can talk about titles because the current second tier of Big "Ten" Schools' (UW, MSU, Iowa) ceiling is the Rose Bowl. That second class would never in a million years get picked over a one loss team in the SEC, Big 12 or Pac-12.
 
2012-05-24 01:09:47 PM

legion_of_doo: in the B1G, the Rose Bowl tradition is bigger than the BcS voting contest.

it just is.

not that it isn't a tremendous honor to be named #1, but the national championship in college football just doesn't work like the nfl or March madness. and in the B1G, some of the traditions matter more. the Rose Bowl week is an event because we still care about it, the granddaddy of them all.


Frankly, as long as there's subjective voting as part of the equation, there will never be a legitimate national champion.
 
2012-05-24 01:16:42 PM

meanmutton: there will never be a legitimate national champion.


It's as legitimate as any other method. It's just not that big a deal.

Ken VeryBigLiar: That second class would never in a million years get picked over a one loss team in the SEC, Big 12 or Pac-12.


Depends on the team in those other non-SEC conferences. USC, Oregon and UW (after a couple years of success again) are the only schools in the Pac-12 that have a shot at a national title game. OU and Texas are the only guaranteed Big XII teams (hell, everything in conference championship week last year said SEND OKLAHOMA STATE TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME but we got a rematch anyway).
 
2012-05-24 01:19:41 PM

IAmRight: meanmutton: there will never be a legitimate national champion.

It's as legitimate as any other method. It's just not that big a deal.


If voting was "as legitimate as any other method" then why don't they use it for any other sport at any other level in any league anywhere in the world?
 
2012-05-24 01:33:34 PM
So one college football game matters this year?

I'm surprised they got the count that high.

/meh
 
2012-05-24 01:39:22 PM
If I sleep with a supermodel, chances are I'll bang the entire Maxim top 100.

/Got nothin.
 
2012-05-24 01:45:53 PM

meanmutton: If voting was "as legitimate as any other method" then why don't they use it for any other sport at any other level in any league anywhere in the world?


Because those are governed by leagues (have a strong central authority) and playoffs are what bring in the most income. College football is run by confederations, which are decentralized power - so the individual power sources gain no benefit from the income provided by a playoff - in fact, if their teams are not selected for the playoff, they may stand to lose money.

/it's always about the money. Only a rube would think it's about "fairness" or "legitimacy."
 
2012-05-24 01:58:39 PM
I bit, subby. Nice.
 
2012-05-24 02:23:52 PM

IAmRight: meanmutton: If voting was "as legitimate as any other method" then why don't they use it for any other sport at any other level in any league anywhere in the world?

Because those are governed by leagues (have a strong central authority) and playoffs are what bring in the most income. College football is run by confederations, which are decentralized power - so the individual power sources gain no benefit from the income provided by a playoff - in fact, if their teams are not selected for the playoff, they may stand to lose money.


The easy way to do that is to guarantee that every conference gets a slot into the playoffs while keeping the stupid bowl system intact. You're going to make more money with a playoff than with the current system.

/it's always about the money. Only a rube would think it's about "fairness" or "legitimacy."

You were the one who suggested that this was a "legitimate" way to choose a champion. I'm the one who said that there was no legitimacy.
 
2012-05-24 02:40:25 PM

meanmutton: I'm the one who said that there was no legitimacy.


There's no "legitimacy" in any of the methods. Playoffs exist to produce money for the centralized authority, not because they're the "legitimate" way to determine a champion. Most leagues started off with the team with the best record at the end of the year being the champion. Playoffs make money.
 
2012-05-24 02:49:52 PM

IAmRight: meanmutton: I'm the one who said that there was no legitimacy.

There's no "legitimacy" in any of the methods. Playoffs exist to produce money for the centralized authority, not because they're the "legitimate" way to determine a champion. Most leagues started off with the team with the best record at the end of the year being the champion. Playoffs make money.


You have failed to convince me that a team that wins a tournament or a team that wins a league is no more legitimate a champion than a team that has been voted to that championship. Just because playoffs make money, that doesn't nullify the result.
 
2012-05-24 03:03:24 PM

meanmutton: You have failed to convince me that a team that wins a tournament or a team that wins a league is no more legitimate a champion than a team that has been voted to that championship. Just because playoffs make money, that doesn't nullify the result.


Of course I have. Most leagues do a pretty good job of convincing you that is the best way to determine a champion. You've spent your whole life being told "the only way to REALLY determine a champion is through a playoff." In reality, they end up with a nice little tournament champion. And that's fine. A tournament champion is a champion, but that means that the team that won the tournament was the best in the nation for about a month (and that's without getting into the fact that tournaments aren't round-robin and largely depend on matchups). Regular seasons last for 5-7 months.

Let's look at tennis, which has a No.1 player AND it has a season-ending tournament of the top players in the world (which would be a playoff). Their tournament champion is just that, the tournament champion. Not the new world No. 1. Not the Player of the Year. They play 10 months and have dozens of matches. To say "yeah, all those count, but these ones are the ones that REALLY count" is idiotic.

FFS, NASCAR even tried to throw in playoffs to boost ratings.

Why would you say that one months' successful performance earns you a championship of a period of work of 6 months? And that that's a legitimate method of determining the champion?

This is ONE area where I think Europe doesn't completely suck - they have tournaments in soccer, but the regular season does actually earn you a title that matters. And it was one thing that didn't suck in football - conference titles did matter before we started pretending that No. 1 out of 120 teams that can't possibly all play each other was the most important thing.
 
2012-05-24 03:35:15 PM

meanmutton: VERY well played, subby.


Goddammit, you got me, Subby. Well-played.

Is it time for football yet?
 
2012-05-24 03:46:34 PM
I'd love to see Michigan take down Alabama but there's just no way it's going to happen. What probably will happen is that Denard Robinson will get broken in half after taking off running one too many times.
 
2012-05-24 03:48:40 PM

JRaynor: legion_of_doo: ha, subby, good one.

'Bama football fans, I don't think any Michigan fan is really entertaining the idea of a win down in Dallas, not to mention the whole mythical national championship thing.

/ just winning the B1G/going to the rose bowl is barely in the discussion for Michigan

A close friend is a Wolverines fan and said in no uncertain terms, winning a National Championship is secondary to winning the Big Ten. I don't understand college football fans at all.

As a Bears fan beating up on Green Bay is always a plus, but if someone told me Chicago would get swept by the Packers but win the Superbowl, I'd call it good.

*shrug*


Its mainly because the big 10 knows whatever team plays in the NCG will lose, its the best they can hope for and a big reason why there has been no college playoff until now. We could have had one years ago if not for this moronic thought process that the rose bowl champion is better than a NC.
 
2012-05-24 03:56:12 PM

9beers: I'd love to see Michigan take down Alabama but there's just no way it's going to happen. What probably will happen is that Denard Robinson will get broken in half after taking off running one too many times.


As a Husker fan, and knowing that Nebraska will have to play Michigan this year... imokwiththis,jpg
 
2012-05-24 06:13:38 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: 9beers: I'd love to see Michigan take down Alabama but there's just no way it's going to happen. What probably will happen is that Denard Robinson will get broken in half after taking off running one too many times.

As a Husker fan, and knowing that Nebraska will have to play Michigan this year... imokwiththis,jpg


Or maybe Big 10 teams could just learn to play defense? Denard Robinson is farking terrible, after all.
 
2012-05-24 06:35:09 PM
Michigan fan here.

Headline is nuts. Article (if headline is accurate) is even more nuts. Michigan will NOT be playing for the national title unless they are undefeated AND Denard Robinson is having a Heisman caliber throwing the ball year AND Fitz Toussaint is having a Heisman caliber year running the ball.

Then maybe Michigan will play for a National title. But not before. The Big 10 has squandered most of its credit over the past 5 years playing terribly on the national stage. We need to earn it back, and that's going to take more than an upset of Alabama to do.

/M Go Blue!
 
2012-05-24 06:59:37 PM

Techhell: Michigan fan here.

Headline is nuts. Article (if headline is accurate) is even more nuts. Michigan will NOT be playing for the national title unless they are undefeated AND Denard Robinson is having a Heisman caliber throwing the ball year AND Fitz Toussaint is having a Heisman caliber year running the ball.

Then maybe Michigan will play for a National title. But not before. The Big 10 has squandered most of its credit over the past 5 years playing terribly on the national stage. We need to earn it back, and that's going to take more than an upset of Alabama to do.

/M Go Blue!


You know how I know you didn't read the article?
 
2012-05-24 07:05:17 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: Denard Robinson is farking terrible, after all.


Which is why he's the only player in history to throw and rush for 1500 yards in a season.

Which is why he holds the single season rushing record for a QB

Which is why he's the only QB in history to run and throw for 200 yards in a game

Which is why he holds the Big 10 record for total offense in a season

I could keep going but I think you get my point.
 
2012-05-24 07:21:17 PM
Women's softball: It's not whether you win or lose. It's how you play the game look in a bikini."
 
2012-05-24 07:35:30 PM

9beers: Which is why he's the only player in history to throw and rush for 1500 yards in a season.


I don't have anything against Robinson, but stats like these are retarded. Max out sh*t that aren't important to QBs, minimize the qualifier for important stats, then say he's the only one. Yeah, a lot of QBs post over 3000 yards every year, though, and they're not even good. They just usually do it almost all through the air.
 
2012-05-24 08:32:42 PM

9beers: RickyWilliams'sBong: Denard Robinson is farking terrible, after all.

Which is why he's the only player in history to throw and rush for 1500 yards in a season.

Which is why he holds the single season rushing record for a QB

Which is why he's the only QB in history to run and throw for 200 yards in a game

Which is why he holds the Big 10 record for total offense in a season

I could keep going but I think you get my point.


Which is, in 2011, why he had fewer passing yards than 64 other I-A QBs, behind, among others, the QB of Washington State.

Which is, in 2011, why he had 15 interceptions, placing him in the top 10 for 1-A QBs.

Which is, in 2011, why his 55% completion rate is good for 98th among qualified 1-A QBs (per ESPN).

Which is, in 2011, why his 20 passing TDs, are tied for 41, with among others, Colorado QB Tyler Hansen.

Which is, in 2012, why he needed a botched VT field goal in overtime to beat the 2nd best team in the ACC (a conference that is tops, the 5th best conference in 1-A football. Then again, it's not like the Big 10 is anything special).

I could keep going, but I think you get my point.
 
2012-05-24 09:24:28 PM

Krymson Tyde: Techhell: Michigan fan here.

Headline is nuts. Article (if headline is accurate) is even more nuts. Michigan will NOT be playing for the national title unless they are undefeated AND Denard Robinson is having a Heisman caliber throwing the ball year AND Fitz Toussaint is having a Heisman caliber year running the ball.

Then maybe Michigan will play for a National title. But not before. The Big 10 has squandered most of its credit over the past 5 years playing terribly on the national stage. We need to earn it back, and that's going to take more than an upset of Alabama to do.

/M Go Blue!

You know how I know you didn't read the article?


Beyond pretty much stating that I didn't? *chuckles*

Well played, Subby. I thought I had just gotten in before the Buckeyes and SEC fans got in with their snarks, and only had enough time to google Fitz's last name to make sure I was spelling it correctly. Well played indeed.

/M Go Blue!
 
2012-05-24 10:57:48 PM
Well, I guess they are going to have to win twice tomorrow because they went down today...no not like that...well until after the game anyway.
 
2012-05-25 09:25:17 AM
I watched part of the softball game last night. It seemed that U-M got a bit better hitting at the end of the game, and so I hope that the ladies can get some runs on the board today. The fielding by U-M left something to be desired, but I have faith that we can get it together and force a game three.

/Go Blue!
//Shoelace for president
 
2012-05-25 12:24:31 PM
You totally got me with that one, Subby.
I was thinking "oh, I bet those SOBs will some how get selected to play in the championship game if they some how beat Alabama in the first game of the season. Even if they lose to the Spartans on Oct. 20"
 
2012-05-25 12:28:49 PM

pion: 9beers: RickyWilliams'sBong: Denard Robinson is farking terrible, after all.

Which is why he's the only player in history to throw and rush for 1500 yards in a season.

Which is why he holds the single season rushing record for a QB

Which is why he's the only QB in history to run and throw for 200 yards in a game

Which is why he holds the Big 10 record for total offense in a season

I could keep going but I think you get my point.

Which is, in 2011, why he had fewer passing yards than 64 other I-A QBs, behind, among others, the QB of Washington State.

Which is, in 2011, why he had 15 interceptions, placing him in the top 10 for 1-A QBs.

Which is, in 2011, why his 55% completion rate is good for 98th among qualified 1-A QBs (per ESPN).

Which is, in 2011, why his 20 passing TDs, are tied for 41, with among others, Colorado QB Tyler Hansen.

Which is, in 2012, why he needed a botched VT field goal in overtime to beat the 2nd best team in the ACC (a conference that is tops, the 5th best conference in 1-A football. Then again, it's not like the Big 10 is anything special).

I could keep going, but I think you get my point.


DRob is awesome... in September. No really, he is a very very good quarterback. Michigan is a really really good football team. It's just that Michigan State beat them again and again and again and again. See you in Ann Arbor on Oct. 20. I'll be the guy wearing green and white.
 
2012-05-25 01:22:10 PM

legion_of_doo: in the B1G, the Rose Bowl tradition is bigger than the BcS voting contest.

it just is.

not that it isn't a tremendous honor to be named #1, but the national championship in college football just doesn't work like the nfl or March madness. and in the B1G, some of the traditions matter more. the Rose Bowl week is an event because we still care about it, the granddaddy of them all.


When your conference gets creamed repeatedly in national championship games, I can see why you'd want to pretend the national championship wasn't important.
 
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