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2012-05-24 03:02:13 AM  
No Beyonder?

/SWII 4 LIFE!
 
2012-05-24 07:41:54 AM  

bob_ross: No Beyonder?

/SWII 4 LIFE!


He was from the 80s.
 
2012-05-24 08:59:32 AM  
Only humans carry their past around.
 
2012-05-24 09:03:38 AM  
Garth Ennis did not start writing Punisher until the 2000's, so article is wrong.
 
2012-05-24 09:06:47 AM  
www.comicbookmovie.com
 
2012-05-24 09:07:32 AM  
No Slapstick?
 
2012-05-24 09:07:56 AM  
Pouches, absurdly large guns, and Rob Liefeld?
 
2012-05-24 09:09:24 AM  
Because Spider-Man readers never got tired of the regurgitated "Yay,yet another adventure involving an alien symbiote suit!" or "Wait, so Peter Parker's just-made-up-3-months-ago clone is the real Spider-Man?" storylines. They were almost as compelling and original as that one issue when Peter Parker quit being Spider-Man.
 
2012-05-24 09:11:51 AM  
woa...I think I still have an Adam X card at my parents' house somewhere. Too bad it's not gonna be worth jack.
 
2012-05-24 09:13:29 AM  
I can't get a sense of where this is ironic and where it's serious.
 
2012-05-24 09:17:54 AM  

EyeballKid: Because Spider-Man readers never got tired of the regurgitated "Yay,yet another adventure involving an alien symbiote suit!" or "Wait, so Peter Parker's just-made-up-3-months-ago clone is the real Spider-Man?" storylines. They were almost as compelling and original as that one issue when Peter Parker quit being Spider-Man.


Never got tired of it? Heck you had to buy 3 copies of each issue for the collectible covers. Not to mention you had to have subscriptions to Amazing Spiderman, Spectacular Spiderman, and Superfluous Spiderman in order to read any story in its entirety.
 
2012-05-24 09:19:09 AM  
Gamesmaster was actually used pretty well in JLA/Avengers. He and Metron are apparently bros.
 
2012-05-24 09:24:50 AM  
That Adam X card literally looks like it could be off of some 7th graders Deviant Art page. If you're an editor at Marvel, how many distinct drugs do you have to be on before you approve that for print?
 
2012-05-24 09:26:28 AM  
Between 1987 and 1991, the average monthly series comic book went from 65c to $1.25. On top of that, Marvel decided to cash in on something like 7 different X-Men titles on top of that. Ridiculous.
 
2012-05-24 09:31:21 AM  
Adam X reappeared during Fear Itself. He tried to set the possessed Juggernaut's blood on fire. Bad idea.
 
2012-05-24 09:33:52 AM  
I read comics obsessively through the 80's. Then the price went up so high that I couldn't afford them anymore. Plus the quality of the stories went through the floor.
 
2012-05-24 09:34:39 AM  
 
2012-05-24 09:37:01 AM  

EyeballKid: Peter Parker's just-made-up-3-months-ago clone


www.samruby.com
 
2012-05-24 09:40:11 AM  
In other words, the comics crash was a well-deserved fate.
 
2012-05-24 09:41:55 AM  
I'm just glad they didn't include Terror, Inc., because I love that guy!

cdn101.iofferphoto.com

Wiki: At some point in the distant past, a tribe of early humans hunted and fought a demon that had been preying upon them. The demon resembled a green bear, with a series of long, thin spikes protruding from its face and along its spine. The man who killed the bear was cursed by victory to assume the demon's form - his skin took on its green, decaying form, and the spikes from its face appeared on his. He gained the beast's ability to merge the limbs of others with his own body, but was shunned by the tribe he had helped to protect.
 
2012-05-24 09:48:42 AM  

jayhawk88: That Adam X card literally looks like it could be off of some 7th graders Deviant Art page. If you're an editor at Marvel, how many distinct drugs do you have to be on before you approve that for print?


As many as can fit in every pouch Rob Liefeld ever drew
 
2012-05-24 09:49:51 AM  

bark_atda_moon: EyeballKid: Because Spider-Man readers never got tired of the regurgitated "Yay,yet another adventure involving an alien symbiote suit!" or "Wait, so Peter Parker's just-made-up-3-months-ago clone is the real Spider-Man?" storylines. They were almost as compelling and original as that one issue when Peter Parker quit being Spider-Man.

Never got tired of it? Heck you had to buy 3 copies of each issue for the collectible covers. Not to mention you had to have subscriptions to Amazing Spiderman, Spectacular Spiderman, and Superfluous Spiderman in order to read any story in its entirety.


Mateorocks: Between 1987 and 1991, the average monthly series comic book went from 65c to $1.25. On top of that, Marvel decided to cash in on something like 7 different X-Men titles on top of that. Ridiculous.


And that is why I stopped buying comics... but then again, I seldom bothered with the "standard" stuff.

I still drop in comic book stores once in a while, look at the toys and collectibles mostly, as, for the comics, since most series are rewrites, restarts and the sort from the older stuff, there's not really much worth reading at this point. Either rehashed stuff or too much crap trying to pass off as "edgy", and if I dare open one to see what the story is about, I end up like this:

i478.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-24 10:00:11 AM  
The 80s were the best. Walt Simonson, Chris Claremont, JR jr., Silvestri, 75c comics.

I'm old now. I pick up a new X-Men now and again and I don't even know who these characters are. Emma Frost used to be a bad guy. I'm so confuuuused...
 
2012-05-24 10:03:03 AM  

imfallen_angel: I still drop in comic book stores once in a while, look at the toys and collectibles mostly, as, for the comics, since most series are rewrites, restarts and the sort from the older stuff, there's not really much worth reading at this point. Either rehashed stuff or too much crap trying to pass off as "edgy", and if I dare open one to see what the story is about, I end up like this:


Good modern comics and I mean good as in critically, not just popcorn comics, in my opinion, are Journey into Mystery, published by Marvel, which is a light hearted romp about the supervillain Loki. It is written as a sort of comedic Sandman and has been routinely fantastic since it appeared. Grant Morrison's Batman run is exemplary but somewhat divisive. However, the one comic that was made specficially for farkers is Image Comic's Chew.

In a world where bird flu killed over a hundred million people, one man must uncover the horrible secrets of the most powerful organization of Earth. The FDA.
 
2012-05-24 10:07:58 AM  
Age of Apocalypse
Red Rain
Rogue/Gambit
Guido


That is all.

Ok, so it's not all, but I haven't had enough coffee yet.

Notice I did not add Superman's death.
 
2012-05-24 10:08:31 AM  
Mutant Massacre FTW
 
2012-05-24 10:17:18 AM  
 
2012-05-24 10:29:04 AM  

imfallen_angel: bark_atda_moon: EyeballKid: Because Spider-Man readers never got tired of the regurgitated "Yay,yet another adventure involving an alien symbiote suit!" or "Wait, so Peter Parker's just-made-up-3-months-ago clone is the real Spider-Man?" storylines. They were almost as compelling and original as that one issue when Peter Parker quit being Spider-Man.

Never got tired of it? Heck you had to buy 3 copies of each issue for the collectible covers. Not to mention you had to have subscriptions to Amazing Spiderman, Spectacular Spiderman, and Superfluous Spiderman in order to read any story in its entirety.

Mateorocks: Between 1987 and 1991, the average monthly series comic book went from 65c to $1.25. On top of that, Marvel decided to cash in on something like 7 different X-Men titles on top of that. Ridiculous.

And that is why I stopped buying comics... but then again, I seldom bothered with the "standard" stuff.

I still drop in comic book stores once in a while, look at the toys and collectibles mostly, as, for the comics, since most series are rewrites, restarts and the sort from the older stuff, there's not really much worth reading at this point. Either rehashed stuff or too much crap trying to pass off as "edgy", and if I dare open one to see what the story is about, I end up like this:

[i478.photobucket.com image 266x190]


I realize the older IPs bring in lots of cash, but I've thought for awhile now that the comic industry could increase their sales if they took a tip from the manga companies in Japan and started printing books that included new characters having new adventures every few months. An added benefit beyond actually adding to their IP vault instead of just mining the same old concepts relentlessly would be that the people working in the comics industry would have a better shot of getting their original work out there, and kids looking to get into the industry would have a better avenue for doing so than fan-fic and the porn-art community, both of which have almost morphed into a "minor league" for the comics and animation industries.
 
2012-05-24 10:37:11 AM  

Heron: imfallen_angel: bark_atda_moon: EyeballKid: Because Spider-Man readers never got tired of the regurgitated "Yay,yet another adventure involving an alien symbiote suit!" or "Wait, so Peter Parker's just-made-up-3-months-ago clone is the real Spider-Man?" storylines. They were almost as compelling and original as that one issue when Peter Parker quit being Spider-Man.

Never got tired of it? Heck you had to buy 3 copies of each issue for the collectible covers. Not to mention you had to have subscriptions to Amazing Spiderman, Spectacular Spiderman, and Superfluous Spiderman in order to read any story in its entirety.

Mateorocks: Between 1987 and 1991, the average monthly series comic book went from 65c to $1.25. On top of that, Marvel decided to cash in on something like 7 different X-Men titles on top of that. Ridiculous.

And that is why I stopped buying comics... but then again, I seldom bothered with the "standard" stuff.

I still drop in comic book stores once in a while, look at the toys and collectibles mostly, as, for the comics, since most series are rewrites, restarts and the sort from the older stuff, there's not really much worth reading at this point. Either rehashed stuff or too much crap trying to pass off as "edgy", and if I dare open one to see what the story is about, I end up like this:

[i478.photobucket.com image 266x190]

I realize the older IPs bring in lots of cash, but I've thought for awhile now that the comic industry could increase their sales if they took a tip from the manga companies in Japan and started printing books that included new characters having new adventures every few months. An added benefit beyond actually adding to their IP vault instead of just mining the same old concepts relentlessly would be that the people working in the comics industry would have a better shot of getting their original work out there, and kids looking to get into the industry would have a better avenue for doing so than fan-fic and the porn-art community, both of which have almost morphed into a "minor league" for the comics and animation industries.


It seems like a no-brainer, right? It's how we got the farking X-Men, Avengers, and JLA in the first place. New characters being introduced and catching on.

They're just to focused on the bottom line and too scared to throw new ideas at the wall and see what sticks.

So we get reboot after reboot, more tits, more ass, more frantic attempts to capitalize on the crisis du jour, less story, less character development.

For a while, indie publishers were the answer, but they were choked out or taken over. Dark Horse, Image, Warp, First...

He's a right old tit now, but we need another McFarlane to shake things up.

That's why manga and its verious offshoots are bexoming more popular. I'd much rather read Gantz than any of this New 52 crap.
 
2012-05-24 10:40:25 AM  
If you're having a hard time designing a costume, add spikes and/or blades.
 
2012-05-24 10:43:45 AM  
Lawd, nerdrage AND an onion on my belt AND grammar failz.

I'm going back to bed.
 
2012-05-24 10:48:56 AM  

PonceAlyosha: Good modern comics and I mean good as in critically, not just popcorn comics, in my opinion, are Journey into Mystery, published by Marvel, which is a light hearted romp about the supervillain Loki. It is written as a sort of comedic Sandman and has been routinely fantastic since it appeared.


It's being taken over by Matt Fraction after this lame crossover with New Mutants wraps up.

/R.I.P. Journey
 
2012-05-24 10:52:46 AM  

hamdingers: [www.comicbookmovie.com image 454x610]


Looking at Liefeld breaks my brain's inner parser worse than reading meow said the dog's posts.
 
2012-05-24 10:55:58 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Pouches, absurdly large guns, and Rob Liefeld?


I blame Leifeld for making me hate comics.

I started my freshman year of college in '90 and I'd never read an action comic. My roommate, however, was a comic book nerd and, after seeing them around all the time, I eventually picked one up and started reading. I thought X-Men had an interesting story and some cool characters, so I started getting into it. Then I heard about the next big thing: X-Force by super-comic-wizard Rob Liefeld...

So there I was at the store, picking up my copy of X-Force #1, thinking I was getting in on the front end of something huge. I took it home and opened it up and immediately thought "This is farking awful..." I can't even look at his drawings without getting a headache.

I gave up on the whole X- series after that, but I did enjoy a few DC comics and the Sandman series. That was long ago though...
 
2012-05-24 10:56:32 AM  
It seems like a no-brainer, right? It's how we got the farking X-Men, Avengers, and JLA in the first place. New characters being introduced and catching on.

They're just to focused on the bottom line and too scared to throw new ideas at the wall and see what sticks.

So we get reboot after reboot, more tits, more ass, more frantic attempts to capitalize on the crisis du jour, less story, less character development.

For a while, indie publishers were the answer, but they were choked out or taken over. Dark Horse, Image, Warp, First...

He's a right old tit now, but we need another McFarlane to shake things up.

That's why manga and its verious offshoots are bexoming more popular. I'd much rather read Gantz than any of this New 52 crap.


How does Gantz the manga compare to Gantz the anime? Because I watched the first season and holy crap. WTF Japan?
 
2012-05-24 11:02:03 AM  
What? No X-men 2099?
 
2012-05-24 11:05:46 AM  

cr7pilot: So there I was at the store, picking up my copy of X-Force #1, thinking I was getting in on the front end of something huge. I took it home and opened it up and immediately thought "This is farking awful..." I can't even look at his drawings without getting a headache.


Why didn't you just look through it at the store before you bought it?
 
2012-05-24 11:07:29 AM  

SuperChuck: It seems like a no-brainer, right? It's how we got the farking X-Men, Avengers, and JLA in the first place. New characters being introduced and catching on.

They're just to focused on the bottom line and too scared to throw new ideas at the wall and see what sticks.

So we get reboot after reboot, more tits, more ass, more frantic attempts to capitalize on the crisis du jour, less story, less character development.

For a while, indie publishers were the answer, but they were choked out or taken over. Dark Horse, Image, Warp, First...

He's a right old tit now, but we need another McFarlane to shake things up.

That's why manga and its verious offshoots are bexoming more popular. I'd much rather read Gantz than any of this New 52 crap.

How does Gantz the manga compare to Gantz the anime? Because I watched the first season and holy crap. WTF Japan?


I actually haven't watched the anime for Gantz or Getbackers yet, so I have no idea.

If the Gantz anime is a mindbending gorefest with gratuitous boobs and crotch and yet a highly intriguing storyline and characters, that's about right then.

I like that all the characters are expendable. Every single one. Keeps it from being predictable. The fights are a bit long, with some "get on with it already", but I'm still interested!

7 Seeds is another manga I've gotten quite interested in. Lord of the Flies meets HG Wells with a hint of Orwell.
 
2012-05-24 11:10:33 AM  

texdent: cr7pilot: So there I was at the store, picking up my copy of X-Force #1, thinking I was getting in on the front end of something huge. I took it home and opened it up and immediately thought "This is farking awful..." I can't even look at his drawings without getting a headache.

Why didn't you just look through it at the store before you bought it?


Yes, that seems like the obvious answer. But, this was right at the time where these releases were a BIG deal and the comic book shop I went to took pre-orders because they said they couldn't guarantee there would be enough for everyone. I didn't know enough about them to know whether this was true or not, so of course I pre-ordered so I didn't miss out on the incredible investment opportunity!!

Also, I was 18 and stupid.
 
2012-05-24 11:10:49 AM  

Wendy's Chili: PonceAlyosha: Good modern comics and I mean good as in critically, not just popcorn comics, in my opinion, are Journey into Mystery, published by Marvel, which is a light hearted romp about the supervillain Loki. It is written as a sort of comedic Sandman and has been routinely fantastic since it appeared.

It's being taken over by Matt Fraction after this lame crossover with New Mutants wraps up.

/R.I.P. Journey


WHAT. NO. Damn it Math Fraction. And I've actually really enjoyed the crossover, because it's just more people for Loki to snark at.
 
2012-05-24 11:21:55 AM  
For every good thing in 90s comics, they were outweighed by about a dozen bad things. The X-Men relaunch. Wolverine's overexposure. Spideysuit issues for every freakin' issue. The Punisher as a black guy. And so on.

/not much has change in this era, either
 
2012-05-24 11:24:02 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: For every good thing in 90s comics, they were outweighed by about a dozen bad things... Wolverine's overexposure


You do realize he's got something like two solo books right now and is a member of every extant team but like the freaking Nova Corps right? Like I'm pretty sure he's legally obligated to be fighting on both team during the A v. X weekly public wrestling matches.
 
2012-05-24 11:24:24 AM  

imfallen_angel: And that is why I stopped buying comics... but then again, I seldom bothered with the "standard" stuff.


I felt this way until I started going down the Dark Horse aisle.
 
2012-05-24 11:26:44 AM  

SweetSilverBlues: SuperChuck: It seems like a no-brainer, right? It's how we got the farking X-Men, Avengers, and JLA in the first place. New characters being introduced and catching on.

They're just to focused on the bottom line and too scared to throw new ideas at the wall and see what sticks.

So we get reboot after reboot, more tits, more ass, more frantic attempts to capitalize on the crisis du jour, less story, less character development.

For a while, indie publishers were the answer, but they were choked out or taken over. Dark Horse, Image, Warp, First...

He's a right old tit now, but we need another McFarlane to shake things up.

That's why manga and its verious offshoots are bexoming more popular. I'd much rather read Gantz than any of this New 52 crap.

How does Gantz the manga compare to Gantz the anime? Because I watched the first season and holy crap. WTF Japan?

I actually haven't watched the anime for Gantz or Getbackers yet, so I have no idea.

If the Gantz anime is a mindbending gorefest with gratuitous boobs and crotch and yet a highly intriguing storyline and characters, that's about right then.

I like that all the characters are expendable. Every single one. Keeps it from being predictable. The fights are a bit long, with some "get on with it already", but I'm still interested!

7 Seeds is another manga I've gotten quite interested in. Lord of the Flies meets HG Wells with a hint of Orwell.


If by highly intriguing you mean mostly insane, then yes, that's pretty much it. It's definitely unpredictable but almost to the point of not making any sense.
 
2012-05-24 11:30:43 AM  
images.wikia.com
 
2012-05-24 11:59:53 AM  

SuperChuck: SweetSilverBlues: SuperChuck: It seems like a no-brainer, right? It's how we got the farking X-Men, Avengers, and JLA in the first place. New characters being introduced and catching on.

They're just to focused on the bottom line and too scared to throw new ideas at the wall and see what sticks.

So we get reboot after reboot, more tits, more ass, more frantic attempts to capitalize on the crisis du jour, less story, less character development.

For a while, indie publishers were the answer, but they were choked out or taken over. Dark Horse, Image, Warp, First...

He's a right old tit now, but we need another McFarlane to shake things up.

That's why manga and its verious offshoots are bexoming more popular. I'd much rather read Gantz than any of this New 52 crap.

How does Gantz the manga compare to Gantz the anime? Because I watched the first season and holy crap. WTF Japan?

I actually haven't watched the anime for Gantz or Getbackers yet, so I have no idea.

If the Gantz anime is a mindbending gorefest with gratuitous boobs and crotch and yet a highly intriguing storyline and characters, that's about right then.

I like that all the characters are expendable. Every single one. Keeps it from being predictable. The fights are a bit long, with some "get on with it already", but I'm still interested!

7 Seeds is another manga I've gotten quite interested in. Lord of the Flies meets HG Wells with a hint of Orwell.

If by highly intriguing you mean mostly insane, then yes, that's pretty much it. It's definitely unpredictable but almost to the point of not making any sense.


Hm, they compartmentalized it pretty well in the manga, keeping the insanity grounded with earthy characters. It didn't really start being comprehensible for several episodes, though.

I totally did not see what direction it was going, although the revelation of the black sphere was a let down.
 
2012-05-24 12:01:28 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [images.wikia.com image 400x597]


Why is Bobby Drake poledancing for Captain Picard?
 
2012-05-24 12:01:40 PM  

hamdingers: [www.comicbookmovie.com image 454x610]


The fact that he drew that, looked at it, and said "THAT'S PERFECT!" is what scares me about him more than anything else.

Obligatory in Liefeld thread
 
2012-05-24 12:16:26 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: SuperChuck: SweetSilverBlues: SuperChuck: It seems like a no-brainer, right? It's how we got the farking X-Men, Avengers, and JLA in the first place. New characters being introduced and catching on.

They're just to focused on the bottom line and too scared to throw new ideas at the wall and see what sticks.

So we get reboot after reboot, more tits, more ass, more frantic attempts to capitalize on the crisis du jour, less story, less character development.

For a while, indie publishers were the answer, but they were choked out or taken over. Dark Horse, Image, Warp, First...

He's a right old tit now, but we need another McFarlane to shake things up.

That's why manga and its verious offshoots are bexoming more popular. I'd much rather read Gantz than any of this New 52 crap.

How does Gantz the manga compare to Gantz the anime? Because I watched the first season and holy crap. WTF Japan?

I actually haven't watched the anime for Gantz or Getbackers yet, so I have no idea.

If the Gantz anime is a mindbending gorefest with gratuitous boobs and crotch and yet a highly intriguing storyline and characters, that's about right then.

I like that all the characters are expendable. Every single one. Keeps it from being predictable. The fights are a bit long, with some "get on with it already", but I'm still interested!

7 Seeds is another manga I've gotten quite interested in. Lord of the Flies meets HG Wells with a hint of Orwell.

If by highly intriguing you mean mostly insane, then yes, that's pretty much it. It's definitely unpredictable but almost to the point of not making any sense.

Hm, they compartmentalized it pretty well in the manga, keeping the insanity grounded with earthy characters. It didn't really start being comprehensible for several episodes, though.

I totally did not see what direction it was going, although the revelation of the black sphere was a let down.


Episodes -> Issues
 
2012-05-24 12:21:05 PM  

texdent: cr7pilot: So there I was at the store, picking up my copy of X-Force #1, thinking I was getting in on the front end of something huge. I took it home and opened it up and immediately thought "This is farking awful..." I can't even look at his drawings without getting a headache.

Why didn't you just look through it at the store before you bought it?


There's a reason polybags were so big in the 90s.
 
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