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2003-11-06 10:35:32 PM
Sounds like a dangerous leap... "We can't quite figure it out, so God must have done it". How many natural processess were originally described this way in primitive times?

I find that to be one of the more annoying pieces of reasoning in the creationist arsenal--'I can't understand it so it can't possibly be true.' I think this frequently explains the gap between their understanding of things and the general scientific understanding of things. A scientist understands that some things are not necessarily translatable into a human, every day scale but that does not invalidate the truth of the thing.
 
2003-11-06 10:35:58 PM
"Ever noticed that people who believe in Creationism look really uneveolved?"

- Bill Hicks
 
2003-11-06 10:36:32 PM
A world without masturbation and blow jobs is no world I want to be a part of.
 
2003-11-06 10:37:10 PM
ChubFrog
I was wondering which farktard would bring this up...

The Declaration of Independence is exactly that, a declaration of independence. Not a set of laws. It pre-dates the U.S. Constitution. It can praise Allah for all I care. It has no bearing on U.S. law.


Words in memorial != Declaration of Independence
 
2003-11-06 10:37:17 PM
I just have to say this even though no one may read it. God is not just a religion. I agree that biology should not have text from the Bible or anything but still 95% of the world believs in a God in some form. Most people think they are going to heaven but they don't feel that beleiving in heaven when you're alive is logical. What's the story here? So only when you're on deaths doorstep you should start to look to God?
 
2003-11-06 10:37:45 PM
sorry, "evolved"...

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2003-11-06 10:39:05 PM
Creationists are just jealous because everyone else is evolving.
 
2003-11-06 10:39:07 PM
ProgrammerCat,
Yes I was joking, but just for grins, if I don't believe in God but pretend to, what exactly can he do to me about it?

I could almost be sold the whole God=love thing, but this Satan crap is just pushing the limits. In 5000 more years we'll be worshiping the great Wal-Mart God, all praise the yellow smiley face.

Einstein said
"I do not know what weapons we will use to fight World WarIII, but we will use sticks and stones for World War IV."

All hail the yellow smiley face!!
 
2003-11-06 10:39:22 PM
But it is religion that tries to tear apart science in the name of God because people are afraid of death and would rather that we all live with our eyes blindfolded rather than face the fact that if there's no heaven then we might only live for a short period of time.
 
2003-11-06 10:39:48 PM
It looks like spleef420 might be the one here with the least knowledge of how science and evolution supposedly work.

But, my friends, I think I have one better. Someone once asked me, "How could humans and dogs both have evolved lungs? What are the chances of that?"
 
2003-11-06 10:40:06 PM
Cudos! Just when you thought that the U.S is about to start burning witches and shieat.... It is hope for the future.

regards Europe.
 
2003-11-06 10:40:32 PM
gjerdine, a world without oral sex is a world worthy only of destruction.
 
2003-11-06 10:41:02 PM
jebryp

Most people think they are going to heaven but they don't feel that beleiving in heaven when you're alive is logical. What's the story here?

"Whoever said humans were logical?"
 
2003-11-06 10:42:22 PM
God was/is the first scientist.
 
2003-11-06 10:44:21 PM
I guess so but you have to admit that at some point in your life you said a prayer or celebrated Christmas or Easter. Or maybe some other religious holiday.
 
2003-11-06 10:45:15 PM
I suppose I did Spoofman!
 
2003-11-06 10:45:24 PM
What is God anyway? Everyone can hide behind the word, but the fact is that an omnipotent and omnipresent being causes problems logically, if for no other reason than it couldn't be comprehended fully by finite human minds. Honestly, I wish people would quit assuming all monotheistic visions of God are the same. They're just not. Unfortunately we're more apt to kill about this topic rather than talk about it.
 
2003-11-06 10:45:29 PM
Wizzard_of_Odds

Yes I was joking, but just for grins, if I don't believe in God but pretend to, what exactly can he do to me about it?

It depends on just how powerful God is. If he enters our universe, takes on a material form, is bound by the laws of this universe, and can be destroyed by destroying the material form he's taken on, then God can do fark all after you put a .45 through His head.

The courts might not buy the justifiable deicide argument, though.
 
2003-11-06 10:45:41 PM
deSelby: "It looks like spleef420 might be the"

Or was it themailpuppy? Oh, well. Never mind that part.
 
2003-11-06 10:46:12 PM
I like coffee ice cream.
 
2003-11-06 10:46:23 PM
I'm agnostic and I celebrate Halloween, Christmas, Valentines, Easter, etc.

Why? Because as a kid living under my parents roof I pretty much had to participate in what they celebrated. Plus I like candy, presents, candy, and more candy.

As an adult I have a respect for them (my family) and consider it more about family tradition than a religious event.
 
2003-11-06 10:46:59 PM
I would rather have vanilla ice cream and a cup of coffee.
 
2003-11-06 10:48:16 PM
Ok, some of you people are just idiots, and as your evolutionary superior I command you to remove yourself from the gene pool immediately.



abracadabra!!!!!!!
 
2003-11-06 10:49:14 PM
gjerdine

If both God and the full underlying mechanisms of the universe are incomprehensible then as far as our puny minds are concerned there is no distinguishable difference between the two (i.e. The ultimate set of laws that define everything personified = God).
 
2003-11-06 10:49:40 PM
I choose to rely on the only source for factual infomation regarding evolution -- the Simpsons. According to Lisa Simpson the human hand will eventually evolve to a point where it has FIVE fingers instead of four!!

Case Closed
 
2003-11-06 10:50:13 PM
OK. I won't try to change your mind. You're set in your ways and I can respect that. Just try not to look at religious people and think they are somehow delusioned.
 
2003-11-06 10:50:33 PM
I thought the important thing is to teach kids how to analyze a problem, make a theory, test it, and prove or disprove the theory.

Oh, thats right, you can't prove anything about religion, and all those numbers and that math junk is too hard.
 
2003-11-06 10:51:01 PM
I choose to rely on the only source for factual infomation regarding evolution -- the Simpsons. According to Lisa Simpson the human hand will eventually evolve to a point where it has FIVE fingers instead of four!!

Case Closed
 
2003-11-06 10:51:35 PM
I'm late, sorry. :P

A friend of mine used to tell me this one. He said look at an eagle. Look at how perfect it is for its environment. It must have been designed; how can a random process like evolution come up with such a thing? Now look at a 747. Any living thing is more complex than a 747, which is made up of hundreds of thousands of parts. So if evolution is true, you can disassemble a 747 and randomly put parts back together and get a 747. Since this is very unlikely, evolution is incorrect.

Ah, but that's not how evolution works. Let's take those parts from the 747 and start putting them together randomly. What are the odds that at some point we'll have something that's useful or does something productive? Those odds are pretty good. That is how evolution works. Over millions of years of randomly putting parts together and only keeping (and improving) the ones that work, you get your eagle. And your human being.
 
2003-11-06 10:52:02 PM
I choose to rely on the only source for factual infomation regarding evolution -- the Simpsons. According to Lisa Simpson the human hand will eventually evolve to a point where it has FIVE fingers instead of four!!

Case Closed
 
2003-11-06 10:52:38 PM
Spoofy
Which is exactly why I wish everyone would talk about this more. All religious expressions of "God" are subjective, yet they all seem to take a subject perspective, as though clearly any idea of God must be easily understood as somehow an easily digested notion.
 
2003-11-06 10:53:05 PM
LMFAO ProgrammerCat, it's a good thing I'm armed, although I'd like to find an online retailer for "lightning bolt proof vests", I'd be willing to bet that God is prolly pretty quick on the draw. Rather have it not need it than need it not have it.
 
2003-11-06 10:53:23 PM
CFOTW. I suppose you're a mathmatical genius.
 
2003-11-06 10:53:33 PM
Wizzard_of_Odds

Ok, some of you people are just idiots, and as your evolutionary superior I command you to remove yourself from the gene pool immediately.

Sorry, I don't let Farkers order me around. Sheeeyit, you're not even a TotalFarker.
 
2003-11-06 10:54:44 PM
Of course humans evolved from monkeys, what idiocy to ponder otherwise. Its called Occam's Razor, and 'keep it simple stupid', there's NO OTHER explaination.
 
2003-11-06 10:55:06 PM
RocketRay
Right on...given enough time lots of waked out stuff can happen.

If only the Cubs-Red Sox had been one of those events typed into the historical narrative by the Corps of Infinite Monkeys.

Sigh.
 
XXX
2003-11-06 10:55:49 PM
Finally, some good news regarding this topic. Why is it that the Church and religious zealots starts throwing feverish tantrums when it is mentioned that the Bible is wrong? I mean, look at what happened during the Renaissance in regards to Galileo. It took the church what, a couple of hundred years to admit to something that the public already knew.
 
2003-11-06 10:56:14 PM
creation stories by goat herders of yore have no place in our schools
 
2003-11-06 10:56:20 PM
RocketRay,

WORD...................
 
2003-11-06 10:56:53 PM
Wizzard_of_Odds

LMFAO ProgrammerCat, it's a good thing I'm armed, although I'd like to find an online retailer for "lightning bolt proof vests", I'd be willing to bet that God is prolly pretty quick on the draw. Rather have it not need it than need it not have it.

Unless God's got a Tesla coil shoved up his ass, I doubt he's going to be throwing lightning around. Remember, the last time God come here, he got his ass nailed to a tree like a common criminal.
 
2003-11-06 10:57:11 PM
I think this is a bad thing. When scientists stop being critics is when science becomes nothing more than dogma. I understand the general disdain for creationism, however, it is important to call out weaknesses and point out that there are indeed flawed and little understood areas of the theory. That is what science is about. That is why there are peer-reviewed journals.

Every hundred years or so science has revolutionary discoveries that nullify or modify previous theories. Preaching evolution as fact in its current form and saying that there are no possible alternatives is as narrow-minded and blind view as what you so diametrically oppose. I am not condoning religion is science textbooks. I am condoning the training of future critics.

Quotes like "About time they stuck with facts over faery tails." make me shudder, because facts in science have quite a tendency to change. I'd venture to say 75% of you making statements as such are armchair scientists who only bother to comment because of your rabid hatred for religion, rather than your robust knowledge of the scientific process.
 
2003-11-06 10:57:38 PM


uh huh.
 
2003-11-06 10:57:53 PM
(equilibrium sign) = flamewar
 
2003-11-06 10:58:36 PM


I am constantly amused at the notion that Texas is a provincial state.

Cheers
 
2003-11-06 10:59:11 PM
blike
The dialogue doesn't have to be science vs. creation. Science is always undergoing a process of constant criticism and refinement, it's religion that thinks it has found a constant and unchanging answer.
 
2003-11-06 10:59:16 PM
gjerdine

Unfortunately many people find it hard to let go of their subjective perspectives.
 
2003-11-06 11:00:46 PM
gjerdine:
So I guess whenever you see a player on the field wearing a cross or seeing a pitcher say a prayer before going to the mound you must think he is as stupid as the rest of us.
 
2003-11-06 11:00:51 PM
niknatas

At least nobody's brought out the "steers 'n queers" argument yet. Count your blessings.
 
2003-11-06 11:01:01 PM
I just have one question on the whole subject:

How does a strand of DNA know when to change itself?

The DNA doesn't know when it's getting cold out. Or when a tail isn't needed anymore. Nope. It's just a building block. The cells wouldn't know how to change the DNA because they don't know any more than the DNA does. The tissues wouldn't know how to change the cells for the same reasons.

Unless of course, being cold changes the DNA on that same small level. But that wouldn't explain the tail.

I'm sorry, but that's science preaching evolution to me. I haven't been able to make anything else of it.
 
2003-11-06 11:02:36 PM
Spoof II
Yes, I agree, but I would it not be wonderful to watch them all fight it out among each other? The other day in the subway I told an eschatological right-winger to tell it to the schizo left-wing environmental activist and they freaked out. How beautiful. The whole American idea is that there even is a "Judeo-Christian" ethic. That whole idea seems so post-holocaust when people suddenly felt bad for anti-Semitism.
 
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