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(CBC)   Canadian Pacific Railway strike leads to 2,000 layoffs, impromptu hockey games   (cbc.ca) divider line 23
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2012-05-24 01:17:23 AM
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2012-05-24 01:35:04 AM
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/Hometown is losing $1M per day due to the strike
//Well, $1M more than it usually does
 
2012-05-24 02:44:40 AM
It's kind of telling when you've had Teachers, Paramedics, and Rail workers all striking within the last five years.

This province(BC) is so farked.
 
2012-05-24 03:58:08 AM
As long as the workers are striking, the trains will not crash!
 
2012-05-24 08:39:51 AM
DNRTFA because it's in Canadian.

So a union of Teamster's go on strike and their response is to fire the people who DIDN'T go on strike?

What am I missing here?
 
2012-05-24 09:21:25 AM

RoosterCogburn: DNRTFA because it's in Canadian.

So a union of Teamster's go on strike and their response is to fire the people who DIDN'T go on strike?

What am I missing here?


Union strikes --> trains stop --> non-striking employees twiddle their thumbs while drawing a paycheck. You don't need people on hand to load/unload freight if the trains aren't moving.
 
2012-05-24 09:27:32 AM
I'm curious about the back-to-work legislation that's been kicked around. Can back-to-work legislation be used to force employees who quit en masse (as opposed to strike) to go back to work? I know a scenario where employees actually quit instead of strike has probably never happened but I'm curious whether such legislation can force such employees to work for an old employer against their will...
 
2012-05-24 09:41:07 AM

arcas: I'm curious about the back-to-work legislation that's been kicked around. Can back-to-work legislation be used to force employees who quit en masse (as opposed to strike) to go back to work?


I can't imagine so, at least not while slavery is illegal. A quit worker is one that can be replaced by someone who will agree to worse terms of employment. When a worker strikes, generally speaking the business is forbidden to replace a striking worker, which is what causes the actual problem. You wanna quit? Just don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I suppose there might be some sort of position where this is actually possible, such as if your job was handling military intel or something, but militaries generally follow a different legal code.
 
2012-05-24 10:45:54 AM
Release the Gordon Lightfoot.
 
2012-05-24 11:12:46 AM
By the time we all wake up and understand what is being done to gentle, dumb Canada, the land of Red Green will be turned into the land of muddy, treeless sinkholes.
 
2012-05-24 11:32:22 AM

Rapmaster2000: Release the Gordon Lightfoot.


But what will happen to the navvies?
 
2012-05-24 11:40:42 AM

arcas: I'm curious about the back-to-work legislation that's been kicked around. Can back-to-work legislation be used to force employees who quit en masse (as opposed to strike) to go back to work? I know a scenario where employees actually quit instead of strike has probably never happened but I'm curious whether such legislation can force such employees to work for an old employer against their will...


The government can't force you to take a job, but you lose all the legal protections that you have while on strike (restrictions on replacement workers, and having reasonable job security unless the strike is about firing your ass).

RoosterCogburn: So a union of Teamster's go on strike and their response is to fire the people who DIDN'T go on strike?

What am I missing here?


Train conductors are on strike. No trains are moving. Rail lines are not being used. Do not need a lot of maintenance. Bye, bye, maintenance workers that aren't striking. Not sure if those are the jobs that are striking and not striking but it is an example. Also, they weren't fired only laid off, there is a difference (the most notable being the intent to rehire in a certain period of time).
 
2012-05-24 12:02:01 PM
DNR because it was CBC. Did they mention that this is all about the new management's poor communication with the union?
 
2012-05-24 12:21:02 PM

elk-tamer: DNR because it was CBC. Did they mention that this is all about the new management's poor communication with the union?


You have something aginst the CBC?
 
2012-05-24 01:03:17 PM

amishkarl: elk-tamer: DNR because it was CBC. Did they mention that this is all about the new management's poor communication with the union?

You have something aginst the CBC?


Yes. I don't mind "wiretap" sometimes, and I miss "The Great Eastern" and Augusta La Paix. Jian is also okay most days. The rest of it: Carol Off, vignettes about 3 generations of women overcoming adversity, painfully dull stories of the north with "cultural" background sound effects, wildly biased news reporting, is all only entertaining now because it's become a parody of itself.
 
2012-05-24 01:15:18 PM

elk-tamer: DNR because it was CBC. Did they mention that this is all about the new management's poor communication with the union?


FTA:
The Teamsters' Finnson said the union has not yet met with Green's interim replacement, Stephen Tobias. He said the management shakeup has not affected the bargaining process.

Satisfied?
 
2012-05-24 01:32:30 PM
MisterDoctor:

FTA:
The Teamsters' Finnson said the union has not yet met with Green's interim replacement, Stephen Tobias. He said the management shakeup has not affected the bargaining process.

Satisfied?


Yes, my bias is confirmed. Having the CBC take a union quote and present it as fact is exactly what I would expect.
 
2012-05-24 02:04:57 PM

elk-tamer: amishkarl: elk-tamer: DNR because it was CBC. Did they mention that this is all about the new management's poor communication with the union?

You have something aginst the CBC?

Yes. I don't mind "wiretap" sometimes, and I miss "The Great Eastern" and Augusta La Paix. Jian is also okay most days. The rest of it: Carol Off, vignettes about 3 generations of women overcoming adversity, painfully dull stories of the north with "cultural" background sound effects, wildly biased news reporting, is all only entertaining now because it's become a parody of itself proud part of our Canadian heritage.

 
2012-05-24 04:23:11 PM
Bah. Stupid Teamsters.

/Is a Teamster. 31 representin'
//Do you really need $1,200 from me every year?
///Must go towards this monstrosity
www.teamster.org
 
2012-05-24 10:56:21 PM
So what's the issue? They unhappy with the Health Insurance co-pay or something?
 
2012-05-24 11:27:01 PM

ScreamingHangover: So what's the issue? They unhappy with the Health Insurance co-pay or something?


Found this PDF which describes the issues from the union side of things. The way I read it, it sounds like management is trying to reduce pensions for current employees, take away health care benefits at retirement for current employees, and increase the number of hours/miles an engineer is required to work without a pay increase while ignoring complaints about fatigue and insufficient rest periods under the current work schedule.

/ Of course, none of this matters. The government will just pass another back-to-work legislation and nothing will be done to address concerns.
// Google says back-to-work legislation could come as early as next week.
 
2012-05-25 12:37:03 AM
People won't be late for work though, because the governor lady said "I'm sending in more trains!"

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2012-05-25 06:09:59 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: By the time we all wake up and understand what is being done to gentle, dumb Canada, the land of Red Green will be turned into the land of muddy, treeless sinkholes.


Yup, and the worst part is that even if people wake up today, by the time the next election rolls around Harper will have appointed at least six, possibly seven, of the nine judges on the Supreme Court, so reversing his shenanigans will be difficult.
 
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