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(Slashdot)   Chrome is the top browser? Yeah, about that: Chrome cooks the books. A re-evaluation puts its usage behind Firefox. On the upside: It's still ahead of Lynx and Cello   (tech.slashdot.org) divider line 67
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2012-05-23 12:40:06 PM  
Also: they package Chrome (installs by default) with a metric assload of software you get off of the Internet. For example, Java Runtime Environment and CCleaner.
 
2012-05-23 01:51:58 PM  
Don't forget about "Links2".
 
2012-05-23 02:19:07 PM  
"...and Cello " FFFFF U.. FFFF FU!
 
2012-05-23 02:22:18 PM  
My usage of an browser has nothing to do with how many other people use it.
 
2012-05-23 02:30:21 PM  
Did it at least beat Mosaic?
 
2012-05-23 02:51:50 PM  
I use mostly Firefox, but when I pull out my ALTS I also use chrome.......
 
2012-05-23 03:26:15 PM  

xanadian: Also: they package Chrome (installs by default) with a metric assload of software you get off of the Internet. For example, Java Runtime Environment and CCleaner.


What? No they don't.
 
2012-05-23 03:26:38 PM  
I thought Cello was just a porn browser. Cause you have to spread your legs to use it.
 
2012-05-23 03:27:45 PM  
I mainly use Chrome at home and IE at work along with Firefox for reading epubs.
 
2012-05-23 03:28:57 PM  
Hi,
Without some kind of sooper secret snooping software, it's impossible to tell what browser everyone on the internet is using. You could pick up user agent info from popular sites, but popular sites aren't giving up their user agent info, and not everyone's on those sites, anyway.
 
2012-05-23 03:32:18 PM  
Bah! I've used Opera since before it was popular.
 
2012-05-23 03:38:29 PM  
When a user enters a search in Chrome, the browser preloads an invisible tab not shown to the user, and these were being counted by StatCounter.

Just out of curiosity, I looked up Statcounter's methodology on their website: Link

Our tracking code is installed on more than 3 million sites globally. These sites cover various activities and geographic locations. Every month, we record billions of page views to these sites. For each page view, we analyse the browser/operating system/screen resolution used and we establish if the page view is from a mobile device. For our search engine stats, we analyze every page view referred by a search engine.

Unless the pre-loaded tab also visits every site that the user is looking up, I don't see how they would be counted. Also, if it were doing that, I'm amazed that Chrome is still as fast as it is.
 
2012-05-23 03:39:09 PM  

maddogdelta: Bah! I've used Opera since before it was popular.


Opera was popular?


/comment posted from Opera
 
2012-05-23 03:48:20 PM  

maddogdelta: Bah! I've used Opera since before it was popular.


When has Opera ever been popular :P

It's not the cool browser, but it was doing things firefox did before firefox did them
 
2012-05-23 03:53:23 PM  
Chrome cooking the books? Where could they have learned that from



www.inquisitr.com
 
2012-05-23 03:56:18 PM  
Opera IS popular.

/doesn't show because the methodologies are flawed
/and maybe because it pretends to be IE
 
2012-05-23 03:59:53 PM  

themirth: maddogdelta: Bah! I've used Opera since before it was popular.

Opera was popular?


/comment posted from Opera


Yea... Years ago they were a free browser climbing up the ranks. Could have been a great contender until they decided to try charging for it as a premium browser. I only took them a few months (felt like years) to realize their mistake, but the damage was done. Tanked their user numbers and their reputation.

So they've been doing a very slow crawl upwards ever since. Even though they are responsible for 80% of the must-have features of modern browsers, there's a lot of reasons they still don't have significant traction. They are even resonsible for even a lot of how browsers look (Firefox's orange "start menu" guy was done by them first as a red opera guy). I give them a lot of credit, but like chrome until a few months ago (maybe a yar or year and half), they don't have the user base to get some of the good add-ons, like proper adblocking, especially those within flash.

I personally adore the way they do tab grouping right now, but due to their poor add-on selection I'm looking for Firefox or Chrome to get an add-on to have tab-grouping similar to them. It's sad seeing how Firefox did theirs.
 
2012-05-23 04:02:43 PM  
pops Link
 
2012-05-23 04:05:36 PM  

traylor: Opera IS popular.

/doesn't show because the methodologies are flawed
/and maybe because it pretends to be IE


Due to lovely functionality like adaptive page handling in IIS and ASP, this was kind of a crappy workaround browsers like Opera had to do from when MS was being crappy to everyone else. Serving up different HTML depending on browsers (and not handling browsers you didn't explicitly code for) sort of forced Opera to identify as IE to get pages to render.

Anywho, would love to see some more legit numbers about web users by browser, but on top of stacking, selective reporting, and browsers using different agent strings... it'd be very tough to get accurate numbers.
 
2012-05-23 04:11:57 PM  
I love telling the Google &/or Chrome fanbois (aka Apple-haters) how Chrome is based on the same architecture as Safari; Webkit, which was originally developed by Apple.

Fanning the flames.


/I use Safari
 
2012-05-23 04:22:39 PM  
I've been using Pale Moon, (basically an optimized Firefox) for a few months and really dig it.
 
2012-05-23 04:22:44 PM  
If firefox would steal mouse gestures from opera it would make it just about the complete package. If you can remember them opera has a really comprehensive set of shortcuts to do just about anything though.
 
2012-05-23 04:25:46 PM  
Links
Best browser ever.
 
2012-05-23 04:26:14 PM  
d.asset.soup.io
 
2012-05-23 04:27:11 PM  

schattenteufel: /I use Safari


So you're the one.
 
2012-05-23 04:28:55 PM  

Tyrosine: [d.asset.soup.io image 485x700]


I use lynx still. Mostly to view html attachments to email. If I extrapolate from that image, I must be uh.... pre-dinosaur organic proto-soup?
 
2012-05-23 04:29:49 PM  
Why all the fighting? Boobs look the same no matter the browser!
 
2012-05-23 04:32:53 PM  

schattenteufel: I love telling the Google &/or Chrome fanbois (aka Apple-haters) how Chrome is based on the same architecture as Safari; Webkit, which was originally developed by Apple.

Fanning the flames.

/I use Safari


"originally developed by Apple" isn't entirely true, though. Apple has contributed a lot to webkit and that's great. I don't think that bothers anyone. In fact, I use that to diffuse people that think their Safari (mobile or otherwise) is better than everything else.
 
2012-05-23 04:33:48 PM  

Baryogenesis: Why all the fighting? Boobs look the same no matter the browser!


The Chrome flash plugin would crash all of my tabs when I looked at boobs. It made me very angry
 
2012-05-23 04:37:55 PM  

Arkanaut: Unless the pre-loaded tab also visits every site that the user is looking up, I don't see how they would be counted. Also, if it were doing that, I'm amazed that Chrome is still as fast as it is.


Actually, it would explain why Chrome is as fast as it is. Prefetching is a UX-optimizing strategy almost as old as computing.
 
2012-05-23 04:39:36 PM  

schattenteufel: I love telling the Google &/or Chrome fanbois (aka Apple-haters) how Chrome is based on the same architecture as Safari; Webkit, which was originally developed by Apple.


Sure, Apple originally developed Webkit. Just like they invented smartphones with the iPhone.

/hint: Webkit is a fork of KHTML
 
2012-05-23 04:45:20 PM  

schattenteufel: I love telling the Google &/or Chrome fanbois (aka Apple-haters) how Chrome is based on the same architecture as Safari; Webkit, which was originally developed by Apple.

Fanning the flames.


/I use Safari


If Chrome and Safari are based on the same architecture why does Safari on Windows both suck and blow.
 
2012-05-23 05:01:35 PM  

Faddy: If Chrome and Safari are based on the same architecture why does Safari on Windows both suck and blow.


it's from a secret pack between Jobs and Gates
 
2012-05-23 05:02:10 PM  

loonatic112358: Faddy: If Chrome and Safari are based on the same architecture why does Safari on Windows both suck and blow.

it's from a secret pack between Jobs and Gates


if there's a tinfoil tag, read my prior statement with that enabled
 
2012-05-23 05:03:00 PM  

Faddy: schattenteufel: I love telling the Google &/or Chrome fanbois (aka Apple-haters) how Chrome is based on the same architecture as Safari; Webkit, which was originally developed by Apple.

Fanning the flames.


/I use Safari

If Chrome and Safari are based on the same architecture why does Safari on Windows both suck and blow.


The same reason QuickTime and iTunes do I guess. Apple sucks at writing Windows software.
 
2012-05-23 05:03:02 PM  

Faddy: schattenteufel: I love telling the Google &/or Chrome fanbois (aka Apple-haters) how Chrome is based on the same architecture as Safari; Webkit, which was originally developed by Apple.

Fanning the flames.


/I use Safari

If Chrome and Safari are based on the same architecture why does Safari on Windows both suck and blow.


THIS.

/used Safari on Windows
//Holy crap it's a clunker
 
2012-05-23 05:07:06 PM  

Hand Banana: Faddy: schattenteufel: I love telling the Google &/or Chrome fanbois (aka Apple-haters) how Chrome is based on the same architecture as Safari; Webkit, which was originally developed by Apple.

Fanning the flames.


/I use Safari

If Chrome and Safari are based on the same architecture why does Safari on Windows both suck and blow.

The same reason QuickTime and iTunes do I guess. Apple sucks at writing Windows software.


You know, if there's a way how Apple would get people who use Windows to switch to Apple, making ITunes/Safari/QuickTime work flawlessly in Windows would've been it.

Then they could turn around and say "Hey, if you think Safari works great on Windows, imagine if you used it on our iMac. (Hint, hint)."
 
2012-05-23 05:15:58 PM  

Rwa2play: Faddy: schattenteufel: I love telling the Google &/or Chrome fanbois (aka Apple-haters) how Chrome is based on the same architecture as Safari; Webkit, which was originally developed by Apple.

Fanning the flames.


/I use Safari

If Chrome and Safari are based on the same architecture why does Safari on Windows both suck and blow.

THIS.

/used Safari on Windows
//Holy crap it's a clunker


Is there any Apple software that doesn't completely blow on Windows? Quicktime Player, Safari, and iTunes are all shiat.
 
2012-05-23 05:27:18 PM  

HeartBurnKid: schattenteufel: I love telling the Google &/or Chrome fanbois (aka Apple-haters) how Chrome is based on the same architecture as Safari; Webkit, which was originally developed by Apple.

Sure, Apple originally developed Webkit. Just like they invented smartphones with the iPhone.

/hint: Webkit is a fork of KHTML



Webkit is the brainchild of Don Melton, of Apple. but yes; it is it is based on KHTML


.but as you can see in this thread, my plot has worked; the Chrome fanbois are up in arms.
 
2012-05-23 05:35:53 PM  

schattenteufel: HeartBurnKid: schattenteufel: I love telling the Google &/or Chrome fanbois (aka Apple-haters) how Chrome is based on the same architecture as Safari; Webkit, which was originally developed by Apple.

Sure, Apple originally developed Webkit. Just like they invented smartphones with the iPhone.

/hint: Webkit is a fork of KHTML


Webkit is the brainchild of Don Melton, of Apple. but yes; it is it is based on KHTML


.but as you can see in this thread, my plot has worked; the Chrome fanbois are up in arms.


It's still a fork of KHTML. Melton's "brainchild" was adding stuff to KHTML. If I go out and buy a pie, put some whipped cream on top, and serve it to you, I didn't bake you a pie from scratch. Similarly, Apple didn't "originally develop" Webkit.

And I'm more of a Firefox guy, myself. I just like poking at Apple fanboys who insist that Apple invented everything.
 
2012-05-23 05:38:52 PM  
Chrome is good. But there are Firefox extensions that keep me on Firefox. TabMixPlus, NoScript and Ghostery being the most important.

TabMixPlus especially. I *hate* how little control you have over the tab functionality in Chrome.
 
2012-05-23 05:39:32 PM  
I had to reinstall Firefox. I'm sick of Chrome and the Error 137 (net::ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED)

It's quite popular, and unexplainable.
 
2012-05-23 05:47:48 PM  
I use IE for no reason other than it really annoys other people that I use it. Really makes no difference to me but it's fun to see people flip out and ruin their own day when I don't conform to their choice.

/Used Firefox for Feedly but now that's on my tablet, I don't bother.
 
2012-05-23 05:55:09 PM  
I use telnet
 
2012-05-23 05:58:25 PM  

portscanner: I use telnet


I use wget. Rendering is for the weak and lazy.
 
2012-05-23 05:59:45 PM  
I call shenanigans

This is bullshiat

We all know Chrome is #1

/Well, #1 in our hearts, at least
 
2012-05-23 06:00:21 PM  

HeartBurnKid: schattenteufel: I love telling the Google &/or Chrome fanbois (aka Apple-haters) how Chrome is based on the same architecture as Safari; Webkit, which was originally developed by Apple.

Sure, Apple originally developed Webkit. Just like they invented smartphones with the iPhone.

/hint: Webkit is a fork of KHTML


Exactly.

A 6 year old fork that transformed into something so much improved the KHTML team incorporated code from it back into their project. And then it went on to be the basis of Chrome and Safari and then on mobile browsers for millions upon millions of smart phones everywhere.

It's a good thing you were to diffuse all that. The last thing we need is people getting out of control giving credit to software like that.
 
2012-05-23 07:05:07 PM  
The Ask toolbar would like a word.
 
2012-05-23 07:15:03 PM  

HeartBurnKid:

Is there any Apple software that doesn't completely blow on Windows? Quicktime Player, Safari, and iTunes are all shiat.


So true.
 
2012-05-23 07:21:15 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Rwa2play: Faddy: schattenteufel: I love telling the Google &/or Chrome fanbois (aka Apple-haters) how Chrome is based on the same architecture as Safari; Webkit, which was originally developed by Apple.

Fanning the flames.


/I use Safari

If Chrome and Safari are based on the same architecture why does Safari on Windows both suck and blow.

THIS.

/used Safari on Windows
//Holy crap it's a clunker

Is there any Apple software that doesn't completely blow on Windows? Quicktime Player, Safari, and iTunes are all shiat.


I think it is a marketing strategy for Apple. Make the worst products as possible on Windows, blame it on the OS's limitations, and hope like hell that they'll run out and get a Mac
 
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