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		"Doctor Who Helped Find Bin Laden" (nytimes.com)		75
		More: Hero, Osama bin Laden, criminal code, Peshawar, Abbottabad, Khyber, Shakil Afridi

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Hardy-r-r		2012-05-23 09:39:39 AM

s1ugg0		2012-05-23 09:41:53 AM

Kind of a stretch but good enough. +0.5

Tentacle		2012-05-23 09:42:57 AM

Looks like he got sonic screwed

Starry Heavens		2012-05-23 09:44:39 AM

That's one way to get people to read the article! I laughed.

/then I serioused

Silverstaff		2012-05-23 09:45:26 AM

. . .and for his efforts in helping to find Osama Bin Laden, he's been convicted of "acting against the state" (i.e. Treason) by a local court and sentenced to 33 years in prison.

I know why we pretend that Pakistan is an ally instead of an enemy, but times like this make that facade really hard to hold on to.

mehtars		2012-05-23 09:46:11 AM

he should get the bounty at least...

Bit'O'Gristle		2012-05-23 09:46:51 AM

Looks to me like they are all butt hurt and embarrassed that he was living right under their noses and it was found out that they were harboring him. Now they wanna punish anyone who helped the USA find him and kill his worthless ass. Sour grapes, and the "trial" is probably 6 guys from the village who are hard line Islamic. No surprise here, move on.

minnesotaboy		2012-05-23 09:47:28 AM

slayer199		2012-05-23 09:47:38 AM

Rather interesting that Pakistan considers the Dr helping the US find bin Laden was guilty of treason. Does anyone still think that Pakistan wasn't complicit in hiding bin Laden?

nekom		2012-05-23 09:50:47 AM

Silverstaff: I know why we pretend that Pakistan is an ally instead of an enemy, but times like this make that facade really hard to hold on to.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I seriously hope that somewhere right now some ambassadors are discussing options here to get him freed.

Of course this is right up there with the fact that they were harboring him in the first place. In a mansion. Still hard to wrap my head around that one. The most wanted international criminal, and an "ally" nation puts him up in a mansion.

/lolglobalpolitics

turtleking		2012-05-23 09:50:57 AM

and heres the lesson.

The CIA will leave you to be tortured and imprisoned for helping them and good luck with anymore vaccination programs

Tarl3k		2012-05-23 09:51:09 AM

Sigh, fark Pakistan...fark 'em right in the ear!

Craptastic		2012-05-23 09:51:30 AM

No! The Bush administration found OBL by torturing information out of captured rag-heads!

Metaluna Mutant		2012-05-23 09:51:57 AM

A Pakistani Doctor Who?

/I'm thinking photoshop thread

Man On Pink Corner		2012-05-23 09:52:02 AM

turtleking: The CIA will leave you to be tortured and imprisoned for helping them and good luck with anymore vaccination programs

No shiat. This is an atrocity on the US's part.

TV's Vinnie		2012-05-23 09:52:27 AM

They jail the guy who pinpointed the Most Wanted Man on Earth.

And we are shoveling billions to Pakistan for WHAT reason now?

Oxygen_Thief		2012-05-23 09:53:11 AM

"A tribal court" read as nonsense court. This is just so the tribals can act like they have a semblance of impartial government. ISI can spring him if they chose, or to curry favor they can let him rot. Nothing to see here.

Oxygen_Thief		2012-05-23 09:54:22 AM

Man On Pink Corner: turtleking: The CIA will leave you to be tortured and imprisoned for helping them and good luck with anymore vaccination programs

No shiat. This is an atrocity on the US's part.

Not really if a source is no longer useful and you can not get them out...whats wrong with burning him?

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich		2012-05-23 09:54:59 AM

Yes, the doctor who helped to undermine global efforts to vaccinate people by using vaccination as a form of espionage is a hero. If you're one of the many farkers that love to rant about the stupidity of the anti-vax crowd (rightfully so) *and* praising this guy as a hero, please go DIAF.

The CIA's Bad Idea

Wade_Wilson		2012-05-23 09:55:10 AM

At least he didn't get a life sentence. Time Lords live a long time, and he's still got two regenerations to go!

LordOfThePings		2012-05-23 09:55:24 AM

Lord Up In Of This Time biatch!

mongbiohazard		2012-05-23 09:55:37 AM

Well that's one way to use a Tardis....

And yeah, this isn't exactly going to help the whole, "they weren't harboring Osama knowingly" narrative, now is it? I mean it COULD just be that they're still pissed about the intrusion we made for the raid, maybe even that could be what this is probably about, but it's still not going to help. It was farking Osama. They really should have just let that one go, and they sure should have given the doctor a pass.

If Breivik had killed 3,000 people and Norway found him in Leesburgh and managed to raid his house, grab him and leave without hurting a single US citizen... I'm pretty sure we'd give them a pass on it, and anyone who helped them manage to pinpoint him too.

TV's Vinnie		2012-05-23 09:55:58 AM

Metaluna Mutant: A Pakistani Doctor Who?

a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

I've seen a Turkish Spock, so anything's possible.

xanadian		2012-05-23 09:56:23 AM

Digital Communist		2012-05-23 09:57:14 AM

TV's Vinnie: They jail the guy who pinpointed the Most Wanted Man on Earth.

And we are shoveling billions to Pakistan for WHAT reason now?

In all fairness, if a US citizen conspired with a foreign intelligence agency to facilitate a military raid that concluded in multiple assassinations on US soil, that person would face serious consequences. Regardless of the target, the man is a traitor to his country.

Aikidogamer		2012-05-23 09:59:45 AM

I think Seal Team 6 needs to do a new raid in Pakastan to pull this guy out.

6655321		2012-05-23 10:02:08 AM

The Doctor was called because OBL has regenerated - this may go on for another 5 seasons.

Man On Pink Corner		2012-05-23 10:02:54 AM

Oxygen_Thief: Not really if a source is no longer useful and you can not get them out...whats wrong with burning him?

Good point. It's not like the CIA will ever need to work with any other foreign agents, ever again, or anything.

wantingout		2012-05-23 10:04:16 AM

Well i guess that'll make sure he never tells anyone that the whole bin laden story is absolute bullshiat.

Oxygen_Thief		2012-05-23 10:05:47 AM

Man On Pink Corner: Oxygen_Thief: Not really if a source is no longer useful and you can not get them out...whats wrong with burning him?

Good point. It's not like the CIA will ever need to work with any other foreign agents, ever again, or anything.

Cash and Pron my friend, it seems to trump all. At least according to recent stories here on Fark.

TV's Vinnie		2012-05-23 10:06:45 AM

Digital Communist: In all fairness, if a US citizen conspired with a foreign intelligence agency to facilitate a military raid that concluded in multiple assassinations on US soil, that person would face serious consequences. Regardless of the target, the man is a traitor to his country.

If it's treason to turn in a threat to all of Humanity, then maybe your so-called country is a gang of complicit scumbags and don't deserve any allegiance.

DjangoStonereaver		2012-05-23 10:10:38 AM

"You're welcome."

OtherLittleGuy		2012-05-23 10:14:39 AM

He was in the cupboard all along

Rory put him there.

Oh, obligatory:

s-ak.buzzfed.com

/hot

2CountyFairs		2012-05-23 10:15:07 AM

Metaluna Mutant: A Pakistani Doctor Who?

/I'm thinking photoshop thread

Burkas are cool.

Ambitwistor		2012-05-23 10:19:14 AM

slayer199: Rather interesting that Pakistan considers the Dr helping the US find bin Laden was guilty of treason. Does anyone still think that Pakistan wasn't complicit in hiding bin Laden?

I think that's beside the point. The real reason they charged the guy with treason is they are extremely pissed off about the U.S. invading their country and conducting a military operation (their view), and this guy provided the U.S. the grounds for doing so.

Buttbone McGillicutty		2012-05-23 10:23:51 AM

OtherLittleGuy: He was in the cupboard all along

Rory put him there.

Oh, obligatory:

[s-ak.buzzfed.com image 500x336]

/hot

Where are her boobs?

Crotchrocket Slim		2012-05-23 10:26:56 AM

TV's Vinnie: Metaluna Mutant: A Pakistani Doctor Who?

[a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 352x288]
I've seen a Turkish Spock, so anything's possible.

They even gave him slightly green make up (I don't think Paramount even does that even more), how old school and awesome is that?

Silverstaff		2012-05-23 10:30:41 AM

Ambitwistor: slayer199: Rather interesting that Pakistan considers the Dr helping the US find bin Laden was guilty of treason. Does anyone still think that Pakistan wasn't complicit in hiding bin Laden?

I think that's beside the point. The real reason they charged the guy with treason is they are extremely pissed off about the U.S. invading their country and conducting a military operation (their view), and this guy provided the U.S. the grounds for doing so.

Well, the only reason we "invaded" them was

1. He was personally the reason behind the whole Afghan War. The single most wanted man in the world, and Pakistan knew that if we knew where he was, we would stop at NOTHING to kill or capture him.

2. We found out he was living in a large mansion/compound right outside the gates of their largest military academy, and if Pakistani authorities weren't directly complicit in his hiding, they were utterly inept.

3. The ISI, Pakistani Intelligence, leaks like a sieve. They've got so many moles and informers in them spreading word back to Al Qaeda and the Taliban that the easiest way to let AQ know anything is to officially notify the ISI.

4. If we tried to coordinate with them in any way, OBL would have known about the raid well in advance and would have been out of there. Years of investigation down the toilet, and at most we would have confirmation he was still alive. . .but always steps ahead of us. OBL knew this, and I think that's why he felt so brazen in being able to hide practically in plain sight, he never thought the US would launch a raid without coordinating with Pakistan and he knew any attempt at that would tip him off.

Starry Heavens		2012-05-23 10:31:20 AM

mongbiohazard: If Breivik had killed 3,000 people and Norway found him in Leesburgh and managed to raid his house, grab him and leave without hurting a single US citizen... I'm pretty sure we'd give them a pass on it, and anyone who helped them manage to pinpoint him too.

Really? I can't imagine we'd be at all cool with any step in the process of a foreign military flying uninvited into our country in the dead of night, crashing then exploding a helicopter into one of our buildings, shooting five people to death and injuring others, and then flying away, all without telling our government anything until two hours later. Even if the raid were against Satan himself, how could there not be serious repercussions for that?

Maybe we could forgive the guy who told the foreigners where Satan was hiding out, but only if he told us first, preferably several weeks in advance. Even then, we'd have Fark threads hundreds of comments long arguing about whether it was treason to encourage another country to attack America, even for a good cause, and even when the US had clearly failed to act. If the tattler were anything but an Angel, I highly suspect he'd lose out in the court of public opinion, and the court of law would be a toss-up.

I think you are hugely underestimating how much the American people would panic at a foreign military flying in and summarily killing five people, even if those people weren't themselves American.

krackpipe		2012-05-23 10:44:13 AM

FTFA: "For them to take this kind of action against somebody who was helping to go after terrorism, I just think is a real mistake on their part,"

I see that Panetta was entirely carried away with emotional outrage in his support of this guy that helped us find OBL. Shows the world we provide 100% support to those who help us. Ya, Afridi should be grateful for us outing his DNA gathering and, secondly, allowing him to remain in Pakistan for the 33 year consequences. Eighty-one seems like the right age to restart a medical practice and enjoy time with a resentful 80-ish wife after 33 years of jacking off. And nothing can possibly happen to him in a Pakastani prison (cough). Great message.

nekom		2012-05-23 10:44:40 AM

Ambitwistor		2012-05-23 10:54:05 AM

Silverstaff: Well, the only reason we "invaded" them was

You don't have to explain the U.S. justification. Everyone knows that. I'm just pointing out that's not how Pakistan views it. They don't care about any of those considerations when faced with being invaded by a foreign power. That's how they see it, and that's what matters to them.

The Southern Logic Company		2012-05-23 10:58:41 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: Looks to me like they are all butt hurt and embarrassed that he was living right under their noses and it was found out that they were harboring him. Now they wanna punish anyone who helped the USA find him and kill his worthless ass. Sour grapes, and the "trial" is probably 6 guys from the village who are hard line Islamic. No surprise here, move on.

I think in this case we should be happy he got a trail at all. If this was in the tribal regions, its not out of the realm of possibility that they would just drag him out of his house and shoot him. However, they really need to get him out of Pakistan and hook him up with a green card. A raid is out of the question. I won't be surprised if the US has to concede a lot to the Pakistanis to get him back, if Pakistan would even let him go. Course, they could always throw him under the bus which, sadly, is how I think this story will end.

He and his family really deserve a relocation to the US similar to a defection from the Cold War days. He stuck his neck out BIG TIME I hope he at least got a reward for it. I'd like to think my home country aren't entirely a bunch of dicks.

fickenchucker		2012-05-23 11:05:42 AM

Aikidogamer: I think Seal Team 6 needs to do a new raid in Pakastan to pull this guy out.

And for the CIA to figure out a way to assassinate every leader and judge who put the hero Doctor behind bars.

Pakistan needs a lesson in "take care of business or we'll take care of it for you".

/Yeah, I said it. Sometimes certain nations don't deserve sovereignty.

Thunderbox		2012-05-23 11:19:40 AM

With the US military having their arses handed back to them in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq and now Afghinstan, the nuclear armed Pakistan couldn't care less what the Americans think.

/ Snitches get stitches

damageddude		2012-05-23 11:20:42 AM

Makes up for his failure to kill Hitler.

Starry Heavens		2012-05-23 11:23:40 AM

Does anyone have any idea how far away from the coast our Air Force will move to intercept foreign craft? It seems like territory extends less than 15 miles off the coast, and I can find some reports of Canada's Air Force intercepting planes about 300 miles off the coast, but most of the news reports I'm digging up about America are our planes interacting with private craft that get too close to Air Force One. I was just trying to figure out how touchy we are about other countries' planes flying towards us, even if they aren't near us.

damageddude: Makes up for his failure to kill Hitler.

Spoilers~!

The Southern Logic Company		2012-05-23 11:29:59 AM

Starry Heavens: Does anyone have any idea how far away from the coast our Air Force will move to intercept foreign craft? It seems like territory extends less than 15 miles off the coast, and I can find some reports of Canada's Air Force intercepting planes about 300 miles off the coast, but most of the news reports I'm digging up about America are our planes interacting with private craft that get too close to Air Force One. I was just trying to figure out how touchy we are about other countries' planes flying towards us, even if they aren't near us.

damageddude: Makes up for his failure to kill Hitler.

Spoilers~!

fwiw, my Dad was in the Cold War and has told me stories of intercepting foreign aircraft/submarines REALLY far out. As far as several hundred miles off the coast of Iceland. That was 30some years ago though, pre 9/11. I reckon things have changed since then but I know that US territory ends 15 miles off the coast due to international maritime treaties. I don't see why USAF/USN wouldn't patrol international waters, I see it only getting sticky if they flew into Cuban/Canadian/Bahamanian airspace.

NowhereMon		2012-05-23 11:33:09 AM

Between Israel and Pakistan we have some excellent taste in strategic partners.

Digital Communist		2012-05-23 11:35:58 AM

TV's Vinnie: Digital Communist: In all fairness, if a US citizen conspired with a foreign intelligence agency to facilitate a military raid that concluded in multiple assassinations on US soil, that person would face serious consequences. Regardless of the target, the man is a traitor to his country.

If it's treason to turn in a threat to all of Humanity, then maybe your so-called country is a gang of complicit scumbags and don't deserve any allegiance.

It is what it is.

He is a hero who sacrificed more than any westerner to catch Bin Laden. He is still a traitor though - this is not a Disney movie where he gets forgiven for his crimes because the big bad guy got his comeuppance.

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