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(WRCB)   Realizing that maybe the economy isn't his strong point, Romney shifts focus to education. You know, that part of the federal government over half his party wants to get rid of   (wrcbtv.com) divider line 40
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2012-05-23 11:18:36 AM  
What do you mean only half?
 
2012-05-23 11:18:54 AM  
Subby, that's just their stance on education for everyone else. All of his party has purged it from their minds.
 
2012-05-23 11:19:22 AM  
This dovetails nicely with the Senate Republicans criticizing the Federal Regulators for not catching and preventing the JPMorgan Chase losses... which they can't regulate... and whom the same Republicans want to get rid of.
 
2012-05-23 11:21:59 AM  
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2012-05-23 11:23:00 AM  
In advance of the speech, Romney announced Tuesday a team of education policy advisers that includes former Education Secretary Rod Paige and other officials from President George W. Bush's administration. Paige is among several prominent opponents of teachers' unions on the panel. As education secretary in 2004, he labeled the National Education Association a "terrorist organization."

Yes, let's bring back the success of the Bush Administration.
 
2012-05-23 11:23:34 AM  
I'm confused, I thought Rmoney was great for the economy because of his time at Bain Capital, which showed how good of a businessman he was by siphoning off the money from companies and then letting them go bankrupt.

I figured his plan was to do that to the other countries, where the US is Bain Capital and struggling countries were the other companies.
 
2012-05-23 11:23:36 AM  
So giving a speech on education now means that Romney's giving up on economic issues?

Now, maybe enough Farkers don't bother to read TFA, but posting a headline that blatantly stupid is trolling.
 
2012-05-23 11:24:42 AM  
Romney wants to expand education. Remember, he's the guy who is mostly responsible for our new healthcare plan and the auto bailouts. He is a socialist and I for one would like to see how far he can take these euro socialist ideas once he is President.
 
2012-05-23 11:25:06 AM  
So he's going to have Rod "No Child Left Behind" Paige advise him on how to implement a school voucher system and use the DofEd to oppress teachers unions. Good luck with that.
 
2012-05-23 11:26:47 AM  
I don't know about the rest of you, but I love Romney's campaign. He is trumpeting the same policies as George W Bush right down to having the same economic policies. He is flip-flopping back to extreme conservative viewpoints on social issues (points that he has previously not held and drive him further from independents). And, the one area that is decent for Obama (foreign policy), he has to advocate bizarro-Obama stances just to please his voting base.

I mean, holy hell. That is a trifecta of fail right there.
 
2012-05-23 11:27:56 AM  
There are a lot of preditory online colleges that are accepting people who test at 7&8th grade math/reading and give them passing grades. It is actually an epidemic and so fraudulent that the Obama admin tried to increase rules and regulations on accrediting many of these for profit diploma mills. Sadly the GOP decided for some reason, $$$, that it was an attack on private schools and blocked the reforms. All you have to do is look into Everest College of Pheonix and the senate committee that initially tried to take their accredidation away. Read the transcript, it is expected that these schools will steal 1/2 trillion dollars in student loans over 10 years...these students have nearly 3 times the default rate, significantly lower graduation rates, and when they are finished they have pathetic placement rates because their degrees are worthless. I know someone who graduated with an AA in Accounting and doesn't know how to make a spreadsheet in excel let alone do 10th grade math.

When schools are traded on the stock market and are only focused on profits it becomes part of their business plan to pay off class action law suits from former students, close schools (websites) to reopen under different names, and pay off lawmakers so you can continue to get away with it.
 
2012-05-23 11:27:58 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: In advance of the speech, Romney announced Tuesday a team of education policy advisers that includes former Education Secretary Rod Paige and other officials from President George W. Bush's administration. Paige is among several prominent opponents of teachers' unions on the panel. As education secretary in 2004, he labeled the National Education Association a "terrorist organization."

Yes, let's bring back the success of the Bush Administration.


You say this in sarcasm.
The GOP says this in sincerity.

Still, not a single idea from ANY of them -- not even the trolls -- that doesn't:

1. Roll back an Obama initiative, or
2. Return to Bush Era policies.

The GOP is running on Marketing Logos this time. Anyone who votes for them is a pawn of Madison Avenue.
 
2012-05-23 11:30:31 AM  
Can a Fark Independent™ tell me how Mitt Romney's policies differ from George W. Bush's?
 
2012-05-23 11:34:03 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Can a Fark Independent™ tell me how Mitt Romney's policies differ from George W. Bush's?


Even Bush wasn't stupid enough to support something as terrible as the Ryan plan.
 
2012-05-23 11:37:43 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Wendy's Chili: Can a Fark Independent™ tell me how Mitt Romney's policies differ from George W. Bush's?

Even Bush wasn't stupid enough to support something as terrible as the Ryan plan.




Well DUH! The Romney plan starts with an "R" and the Bush plan started with a "B" . Jeez, you libs...
 
2012-05-23 11:39:04 AM  

bulldg4life: I don't know about the rest of you, but I love Romney's campaign. He is trumpeting the same policies as George W Bush right down to having the same economic policies. He is flip-flopping back to extreme conservative viewpoints on social issues (points that he has previously not held and drive him further from independents). And, the one area that is decent for Obama (foreign policy), he has to advocate bizarro-Obama stances just to please his voting base.

I mean, holy hell. That is a trifecta of fail right there.


The scary thing is is that he is currently close to a tie in the polls in spite of all of that.

I seriously don't think Romney has a chance, but I'd like to see the polling numbers support this theory a little more. Admittedly, on average, the polling overall shows an Obama lead, but several polls currently show ties or Romney leading by one point. (It also seems that the polling in swing states favors Obama more than the overall numbers (and that's all that counts-it doesn't matter if Utah goes for Romney by 40 points or 50), but that's a little more difficult to pin down.)
 
2012-05-23 11:40:24 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Can a Fark Independent™ tell me how Mitt Romney's policies differ from George W. Bush's?


It won't be as much of a surprise when they fail.

/and by "surprise", I mean among Moron-Americans
 
2012-05-23 11:42:31 AM  
Romney's education plan - "Everyone should just send their children to private schools, like I did"
 
2012-05-23 11:43:27 AM  
Silly farkers. The education department should have nothing to do with teaching the next generation. The roll of the federal government's education department is to attack teacher's unions.

"The roll I see, that aught to remain in the President's agenda with regards to education, is to push back against the federal teacher's unions." (00:50)
 
2012-05-23 11:45:15 AM  

Notabunny: Silly farkers. The education department should have nothing to do with teaching the next generation. The roll of the federal government's education department is to attack teacher's unions.

"The roll I see, that aught to remain in the President's agenda with regards to education, is to push back against the federal teacher's unions." (00:50)


In a certain sense, as a liberal, I can agree with that. The relationship between a union and management is inherently adversarial, and in this case the Education department is in fact the management.
 
2012-05-23 11:48:03 AM  

Citrate1007: There are a lot of preditory online colleges that are accepting people who test at 7&8th grade math/reading and give them passing grades. It is actually an epidemic and so fraudulent that the Obama admin tried to increase rules and regulations on accrediting many of these for profit diploma mills. Sadly the GOP decided for some reason, $$$, that it was an attack on private schools and blocked the reforms. All you have to do is look into Everest College of Pheonix and the senate committee that initially tried to take their accredidation away. Read the transcript, it is expected that these schools will steal 1/2 trillion dollars in student loans over 10 years...these students have nearly 3 times the default rate, significantly lower graduation rates, and when they are finished they have pathetic placement rates because their degrees are worthless. I know someone who graduated with an AA in Accounting and doesn't know how to make a spreadsheet in excel let alone do 10th grade math.

When schools are traded on the stock market and are only focused on profits it becomes part of their business plan to pay off class action law suits from former students, close schools (websites) to reopen under different names, and pay off lawmakers so you can continue to get away with it.


And imagine if someone took a loan from Western Sky to pay for some of those classes. They'll be in debt for the rest of their lives.

/don't think anyone could be THAT stupid
 
2012-05-23 11:54:10 AM  

WombatControl: Now, maybe enough Farkers don't bother to read TFA, but posting a headline that blatantly stupid is trolling.


Or maybe your own reading skills are woefully lacking. Let's see, the headline of TFA is: "Romney shifting focus from economy to education". Seems like subby had a pretty clear grasp of what the article is really about.

Lack of reading comprehension on your part does not equal trolling.
 
2012-05-23 11:56:11 AM  
I'm waiting until November to care what Romney's current policies are.....they are going to zig-zag all over the place until he settles on something before he changes his mind again.
 
2012-05-23 12:02:17 PM  

EighthDay: I'm confused, I thought Rmoney was great for the economy because of his time at Bain Capital, which showed how good of a businessman he was by siphoning off the money from companies and then letting them go bankrupt.

I figured his plan was to do that to the other countries, where the US is Bain Capital and struggling countries were the other companies.


So, the U.S. can take over a failing Mexico, kick out the current management, sell off some underutilized state assets, and fire a bunch of lazy leeches on the public payroll. Then once we turn it around, we can sell it to China for a hefty profit.

You know, that plan is just crazy enough it might work!
 
2012-05-23 12:05:22 PM  

WombatControl: So giving a speech on education now means that Romney's giving up on economic issues?

Now, maybe enough Farkers don't bother to read TFA, but posting a headline that blatantly stupid is trolling.


Read the manual. Romneybot is unable to parallel process without an expensive CPU upgrade. If you want him to speak on economic issues again, you'll need to reboot.
 
2012-05-23 12:09:20 PM  
Republicans want to get rid of education?

I hadn't heard that.
 
2012-05-23 12:14:02 PM  

Notabunny: Silly farkers. The education department should have nothing to do with teaching the next generation. The roll of the federal government's education department is to attack teacher's unions.

"The roll I see, that aught to remain in the President's agenda with regards to education, is to push back against the federal teacher's unions." (00:50)


We have a huge problem with our education system in this country, the teacher's unions need to be a part of the solution. I really don't think demonizing them helps move us forward. Getting rid of the department of education all together would probably put our students so far behind there might be no coming back. I think tenure is a problem. How many of us had teachers who were completely useless at all levels of education but couldn't be fired? Teachers need a living wage and job security but must be accountable at the same time. I don't know what the answer is but pointing fingers and blaming one group is merely political grandstanding or even worse being programmed by a specific ideology.

/my 2 cents, you has it
 
2012-05-23 12:14:17 PM  

Snarfangel: If you want him to speak on economic issues again, you'll need to reboot shake the Etch-a-Sketch.


FTFY
 
2012-05-23 12:50:29 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: I think tenure is a problem. How many of us had teachers who were completely useless at all levels of education but couldn't be fired?


Wrong. Last year Detroit fired all their teachers -- 100% of them. Detroit's test score are still at the bottom for the state (probably the nation). If tenure and the ability to fire teachers were then problem then firing all of them should have resulted in some improvement. Detroit showed no improvement. That means the problem lay elsewhere. The guy in charge of the Detroit School system is an appointee by the Republican Governor. You know what Detroit is doing this year? They're firing all their teachers again this summer. Brilliant!
 
2012-05-23 12:51:23 PM  

EighthDay: I'm confused, I thought Rmoney was great for the economy because of his time at Bain Capital, which showed how good of a businessman he was by siphoning off the money from companies and then letting them go bankrupt.

I figured his plan was to do that to the other countries, where the US is Bain Capital and struggling countries were the other companies.


Bain Capital is kind of the corporate equivalent of the lizard aliens in the old mini-series V. They go from planet to planet stripping them of all their life in order to feed themselves, leaving the planet barren & lifeless, then moving on to the next one.
 
2012-05-23 12:56:12 PM  

Cletus C.: Republicans want to get rid of education?

I hadn't heard that.


How to cut a lot of education.

Obama adviser Axelrod says Republican want deep education cuts

Truth-o-meter: mostly true.

Because Budget Resolution 34 doesn't include detailed breakdowns of Function 500 spending reductions, it's impossible to determine exactly how much of the cuts are proposed to come out of the education budget. Further, the plan itself, in resolution form, does not dictate exact spending levels, but instead sets the maximum amount that can be spent. Congressional committees and floor votes determine the rest.

Still, because education spending makes up such a large proportion of the total Function 500 costs - over 90 percent - it's safe to assume most of the cuts from this category would come from education.

With that in mind, the percentages don't lie. The Ryan budget proposal included more than 25 percent funding cuts every year between 2016 and 2021, and it proposed a total 24 percent funding cut between 2012 and 2021, within range of Axelrod's 25 percent figure. Axelrod's figures are correct if you include everything in the category, most of which is education, but it also includes items that are not education.

We rate Axelrod's claim Mostly True.
 
2012-05-23 01:18:34 PM  

Muta: ModernPrimitive01: I think tenure is a problem. How many of us had teachers who were completely useless at all levels of education but couldn't be fired?

Wrong. Last year Detroit fired all their teachers -- 100% of them. Detroit's test score are still at the bottom for the state (probably the nation). If tenure and the ability to fire teachers were then problem then firing all of them should have resulted in some improvement. Detroit showed no improvement. That means the problem lay elsewhere. The guy in charge of the Detroit School system is an appointee by the Republican Governor. You know what Detroit is doing this year? They're firing all their teachers again this summer. Brilliant!


What possible benefit do they derive from this?
 
2012-05-23 01:24:59 PM  
From what I can tell, his plan is strikingly similar to the somewhat controversial education reforms Governor Jindal's been working to put in place here in Louisiana recently. It wouldn't surprise me if that's intentional and perhaps even a hint at his VP choice.
 
2012-05-23 01:27:11 PM  
 
2012-05-23 01:38:59 PM  

qorkfiend: Muta: ModernPrimitive01: I think tenure is a problem. How many of us had teachers who were completely useless at all levels of education but couldn't be fired?

Wrong. Last year Detroit fired all their teachers -- 100% of them. Detroit's test score are still at the bottom for the state (probably the nation). If tenure and the ability to fire teachers were then problem then firing all of them should have resulted in some improvement. Detroit showed no improvement. That means the problem lay elsewhere. The guy in charge of the Detroit School system is an appointee by the Republican Governor. You know what Detroit is doing this year? They're firing all their teachers again this summer. Brilliant!

What possible benefit do they derive from this?


They get to remove those terrible, horrible, very bad teachers whose jobs the union used to protect. But we've proven the problem is bad teachers - why, the education system is just riddled with corrupt, child-molesting, angry, spiteful, ignorant and lazy teachers! At least 99% of teachers are bad, and the ones in the union are even worse, because they hate America! And children! After all, they are just indoctrinating students to become socialist drones who won't notice when the camps open - they will go willingly unto their re-education camps, because those lazy, terrible teachers have done such a marvelous job of preparing students for them. And those students who won't need re-education will just get sucked into the corporate world, where they will live in cubicle farms, becoming the corporate drones who don't question the lack of wage growth, health care, and the loss of their own freedom, all because so many teachers are lazy, incompetent, ignorant and they belong to that damn union.

Those students in Detroit don't know how lucky they are that all those teachers got fired! It's a free-market paradise up there in Detroit! They don't know just how good they have it, because their ignorant teachers were incapable of teaching them how great their lives really are, now that the union-controlled teachers are gone.
 
2012-05-23 01:40:20 PM  

Jackpot777: Cletus C.: Republicans want to get rid of education?

I hadn't heard that.

How to cut a lot of education.

Obama adviser Axelrod says Republican want deep education cuts

Truth-o-meter: mostly true.

Because Budget Resolution 34 doesn't include detailed breakdowns of Function 500 spending reductions, it's impossible to determine exactly how much of the cuts are proposed to come out of the education budget. Further, the plan itself, in resolution form, does not dictate exact spending levels, but instead sets the maximum amount that can be spent. Congressional committees and floor votes determine the rest.

Still, because education spending makes up such a large proportion of the total Function 500 costs - over 90 percent - it's safe to assume most of the cuts from this category would come from education.

With that in mind, the percentages don't lie. The Ryan budget proposal included more than 25 percent funding cuts every year between 2016 and 2021, and it proposed a total 24 percent funding cut between 2012 and 2021, within range of Axelrod's 25 percent figure. Axelrod's figures are correct if you include everything in the category, most of which is education, but it also includes items that are not education.

We rate Axelrod's claim Mostly True.


That's all fine and dandy, but if they want to "get rid of education" why don't they just get rid of education instead of cutting federal money spent on education?
 
2012-05-23 02:26:13 PM  

Cletus C.: Jackpot777: Cletus C.: That's all fine and dandy, but if they want to "get rid of education" why don't they just get rid of education instead of cutting federal money spent on education?


They are perfectly fine with spending federal money as long as it goes to private industries and they can make a buck on it. Lobbying for the win.
 
2012-05-23 02:56:53 PM  

Cletus C.: That's all fine and dandy, but if they want to "get rid of education" why don't they just get rid of education instead of cutting federal money spent on education?


What, pass a law saying "There shall be no education"?
 
2012-05-23 03:55:47 PM  

Muta: ModernPrimitive01: I think tenure is a problem. How many of us had teachers who were completely useless at all levels of education but couldn't be fired?

Wrong. Last year Detroit fired all their teachers -- 100% of them. Detroit's test score are still at the bottom for the state (probably the nation). If tenure and the ability to fire teachers were then problem then firing all of them should have resulted in some improvement. Detroit showed no improvement. That means the problem lay elsewhere. The guy in charge of the Detroit School system is an appointee by the Republican Governor. You know what Detroit is doing this year? They're firing all their teachers again this summer. Brilliant!


A couple of things. I never said fire all the teachers. That is a straw man. "If tenure and the ability to fire teachers were then problem then firing all of them should have resulted in some improvement" is just false. What if you get the same number of crappy teachers hired back? That doesn't even count the fact that you have to retrain those teachers for the specific school system in that year. Earlier in my post, I said finger pointing one specific thing isn't helpful. Tenure is just one step in the puzzle and I never said completely do away with it. Maybe we should look at teacher education as well.
 
2012-05-23 07:42:54 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Notabunny: Silly farkers. The education department should have nothing to do with teaching the next generation. The roll of the federal government's education department is to attack teacher's unions.

"The roll I see, that aught to remain in the President's agenda with regards to education, is to push back against the federal teacher's unions." (00:50)

In a certain sense, as a liberal, I can agree with that. The relationship between a union and management is inherently adversarial, and in this case the Education department is in fact the management.


I disagree with the whole neocon/teabagger idea that the proper roll for the President is to use the full force and might of the federal government to attack school teachers.
 
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