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2012-05-22 07:18:08 PM
Classy.
 
2012-05-22 08:41:59 PM
Any of you anti-tenure asshats want to know why tenure exists in the educational system?

THIS.
 
2012-05-22 09:10:56 PM
I still can't pay my bills on teaching alone and these farkers do this? fark them!

If I were in the sates, and someone whined to me about teachers getting too high a salary I might just hit them. I really would consider it.

farkin' republicans, man. They want all the money then they want everyone else to work for free. fark those guys.
 
2012-05-22 09:30:31 PM
So pointing out that bank CEOs of bailed out banks make millions a year in bonuses is class warfare but publishing the fact that a teacher with 20 years of experience makes $65k a year is perfectly acceptable because?
 
2012-05-22 10:00:17 PM

NuttierThanEver: So pointing out that bank CEOs of bailed out banks make millions a year in bonuses is class warfare but publishing the fact that a teacher with 20 years of experience makes $65k a year is perfectly acceptable because?


Educashun is teh soshulism!!
 
2012-05-22 10:12:43 PM
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2012-05-22 10:41:43 PM
This is why we can't have nice stuff. People like this.
 
2012-05-22 11:03:10 PM
Goddamn sociopaths.
 
2012-05-22 11:35:09 PM
How dare someone responsible for my child's education get paid well?!?!? HOW DARE THEY??!?!
 
2012-05-22 11:37:04 PM
For people like this thinking would be radical and would led to indoctrination.
 
2012-05-22 11:38:30 PM
Why are teachers in unions?
Why is there tenure for teachers?
THIS.

/f*cking asshats
 
2012-05-22 11:44:20 PM
My kid's teacher gets PAID!?
 
2012-05-22 11:50:14 PM
Okay, so what is the point of all this, and why are they focused on the teachers?
 
2012-05-22 11:52:22 PM
I have a close friend who's a teacher and I've spent a decade in close contact with my two kids' teachers. The vast majority aren't paid anywhere near what they're worth.

/sorry, DNRTFA
 
2012-05-22 11:53:14 PM

NuttierThanEver: So pointing out that bank CEOs of bailed out banks make millions a year in bonuses is class warfare but publishing the fact that a teacher with 20 years of experience makes $65k a year is perfectly acceptable because?


Neither are illegal. Both are dick moves. There is not really some double standard going on here.

doglover: I still can't pay my bills on teaching alone and these farkers do this? fark them!

If I were in the sates, and someone whined to me about teachers getting too high a salary I might just hit them. I really would consider it.


So your experience being underpaid teaching in another country makes you want to punch people in the US discussing an entirely different pay situation? Yes, that's totally a sensible position.

//US teachers are actually paid quite well. Not instant millionaires or anything, but still, they make a lot more than I do, and I'm doing fine.
 
2012-05-22 11:53:47 PM
Why are teacher salaries subject to open records requests?
 
2012-05-22 11:55:48 PM
urging parents to request their child be assigned to a "non-radical teacher" next year.

I don't recall any radical teachers. Quite square actually.
 
2012-05-22 11:56:03 PM
You know I, think state prisoners could teach our children for less.
 
2012-05-22 11:56:52 PM

rewind2846: Why are teachers in unions?
Why is there tenure for teachers?
THIS.

/f*cking asshats



Unions. To protect teachers from the ridiculous special interest groups from all sides and help them get paid a good standard of living salary.

Tenure. To keep long serving teachers so experience stays in the classroom rather than large turnover.

Go fark yourself you greedy selfish fark.
 
2012-05-22 11:59:53 PM
The wife just informed me that her name and salary was disclosed last year too. It's a good thing we can afford new sentry turrets we just installed a few weeks ago... I'm expecting the unwashed masses to be rushing the portcullis any day now.
 
2012-05-23 12:01:39 AM

Jim_Callahan: NuttierThanEver: So pointing out that bank CEOs of bailed out banks make millions a year in bonuses is class warfare but publishing the fact that a teacher with 20 years of experience makes $65k a year is perfectly acceptable because?

Neither are illegal. Both are dick moves. There is not really some double standard going on here.

doglover: I still can't pay my bills on teaching alone and these farkers do this? fark them!

If I were in the sates, and someone whined to me about teachers getting too high a salary I might just hit them. I really would consider it.

So your experience being underpaid teaching in another country makes you want to punch people in the US discussing an entirely different pay situation? Yes, that's totally a sensible position.

//US teachers are actually paid quite well. Not instant millionaires or anything, but still, they make a lot more than I do, and I'm doing fine.


Game time: Define "well".

/not a teacher
 
2012-05-23 12:03:54 AM

doglover: I still can't pay my bills on teaching alone and these farkers do this? fark them!

If I were in the sates, and someone whined to me about teachers getting too high a salary I might just hit them. I really would consider it.

farkin' republicans, man. They want all the money then they want everyone else to work for free. fark those guys.


So if they're being paid crap wages, this flyer should expose that fact, right? Won't it engender sympathy for them rather than animosity: "Look honey, these poor schlubs are getting paid worse than field hands. We have to demand the government raise their pay!"
 
2012-05-23 12:04:48 AM
You know what, Wisconsin... last time I checked, your state had the highest graduation percentage in the nation. It was the first state to get their graduation rates above 90%.

You know how you can keep it that way? LEAVE YOUR TEACHERS THE FARK ALONE!!
 
2012-05-23 12:06:15 AM
the town i grew up in on long island would publish the salaries of the teachers all the time, and still do. my school district had a gym teacher that made 150k a year, and he molested the kids for free.

/serious
 
2012-05-23 12:07:02 AM

intelligent comment below: Go fark yourself you greedy selfish fark.


I think you may have misunderstood the comment you replied to. I'm pretty sure rewind2846 was asking those questions and then saying "(situations like) THIS (are the reason we have these things)", and so you are in fact probably agreeing with him.

His post could have been clearer, though.
 
2012-05-23 12:07:14 AM

Jim_Callahan: NuttierThanEver: So pointing out that bank CEOs of bailed out banks make millions a year in bonuses is class warfare but publishing the fact that a teacher with 20 years of experience makes $65k a year is perfectly acceptable because?

Neither are illegal. Both are dick moves. There is not really some double standard going on here.

doglover: I still can't pay my bills on teaching alone and these farkers do this? fark them!

If I were in the sates, and someone whined to me about teachers getting too high a salary I might just hit them. I really would consider it.

So your experience being underpaid teaching in another country makes you want to punch people in the US discussing an entirely different pay situation? Yes, that's totally a sensible position.

//US teachers are actually paid quite well. Not instant millionaires or anything, but still, they make a lot more than I do, and I'm doing fine.


If you have a Masters Degree (Graduate level education, 2 more years beyond Bachelors, in case you were unaware) AND a specialist's certification and all you're doing is ...."fine" ...then you're a loser.
 
2012-05-23 12:07:35 AM

NuttierThanEver: So pointing out that bank CEOs of bailed out banks make millions a year in bonuses is class warfare but publishing the fact that a teacher with 20 years of experience makes $65k a year is perfectly acceptable because?


Not to mention that they're fulfilling a vital public service, don't actually get three months off a year, work much more than 40 hrs a week, have a master's degree, multiple supervisors (principals, various content coordinators, parents, various asshats as in TFA), no authority to make sure their 80+ (say 20 kids a class, 4 classes a day) subordinates (the kids) actually do their jobs, and hold a job that I personally quit in favor of volunteering for another tour in a combat zone.

Personally, I think a mid to upper level manager in charge of certainly more than 50 underlings wouldn't have any problem getting 65,000 a year in any other field.
 
2012-05-23 12:07:42 AM
This is a logical extension of the new Democratic tactic of finding out who supports things Democrats don't like and then going after them. Like Obama attacking Romney donors by name. Welcome to the future you made.
 
2012-05-23 12:08:25 AM

jjorsett: doglover: I still can't pay my bills on teaching alone and these farkers do this? fark them!

If I were in the sates, and someone whined to me about teachers getting too high a salary I might just hit them. I really would consider it.

farkin' republicans, man. They want all the money then they want everyone else to work for free. fark those guys.

So if they're being paid crap wages, this flyer should expose that fact, right? Won't it engender sympathy for them rather than animosity: "Look honey, these poor schlubs are getting paid worse than field hands. We have to demand the government raise their pay!"


It does engender animosity.

At the dickheads who published this.
 
2012-05-23 12:09:26 AM
"The question in the back of a lot of people's minds is, 'Are my children being indoctrinated?'" he said.

Then homeschool your little snowflake, you asshat.
 
2012-05-23 12:09:30 AM

jjorsett: So if they're being paid crap wages, this flyer should expose that fact, right? Won't it engender sympathy for them rather than animosity: "Look honey, these poor schlubs are getting paid worse than field hands. We have to demand the government raise their pay!"


They chose the 300-ish highest paid teachers for the flyer. If teachers are being paid crap wages, the flyer simply won't list those teachers.
 
2012-05-23 12:11:10 AM

jjorsett: doglover: I still can't pay my bills on teaching alone and these farkers do this? fark them!

If I were in the sates, and someone whined to me about teachers getting too high a salary I might just hit them. I really would consider it.

farkin' republicans, man. They want all the money then they want everyone else to work for free. fark those guys.

So if they're being paid crap wages, this flyer should expose that fact, right? Won't it engender sympathy for them rather than animosity: "Look honey, these poor schlubs are getting paid worse than field hands. We have to demand the government raise their pay!"


I actually agree with you. Considering how much of my tax dollars were spent subsidizing oil companies, the needless war on drugs, lower taxes for the wealthy, pointless wars against countries that never attacked us, and keeping greedy banks afloat with no regulations, I think giving a good schoolteacher with 25 years of experience a genuinely living wage is not too much to ask for.

/Certainly not a waste of MY tax dollars.
 
2012-05-23 12:13:28 AM
A fair salary for:

A lousy teacher - None, fire them
An competent teacher - 40-50k (obviously region dependent)
A fantastic teacher - 200k+

The problem is not that some teachers make a lot, it's that all teachers make roughly the same regardless of performance, and once they get tenure it's hard to get rid of them. I can understand tenure for some brilliant, exceptional and driven mind to be free to pursue knowledge in the heights of academia, but it's absurd to think every school teacher in the US deserves it simply for being a teacher.

We WISH all out kids' teachers could be deserving of such treatment, and fit with those wonderful notions of education we have, but the left-wing notion seems to be that we should treat all teachers as paragons of that loftiest educational ideal regardless of whether they deserve it or not. Meanwhile, the right-wing notion is seems to be that all teachers are overpaid morons (and yet somehow, simultaneously, brilliantly shrewd indoctrinators of left-wing ideology). Neither is right, but it is certainly true that we've managed to make teaching a field many of our best and brightest would rather not get involved in.
 
2012-05-23 12:13:38 AM

Jim_Callahan: //US teachers are actually paid quite well. Not instant millionaires or anything, but still, they make a lot more than I do, and I'm doing fine.


Starting salaries for new teachers in South Carolina is ten dollars an hour. Well, that's not exactly a salary, but an hourly wage, and in no way accounted for the time I spend on your job outside the walls of the school, and also wouldn't have covered the required summer training, but you can see how I didn't consider $16,200 a year before taxes to be 'well'.
 
2012-05-23 12:18:00 AM

Karac: Jim_Callahan: //US teachers are actually paid quite well. Not instant millionaires or anything, but still, they make a lot more than I do, and I'm doing fine.

Starting salaries for new teachers in South Carolina is ten dollars an hour. Well, that's not exactly a salary, but an hourly wage, and in no way accounted for the time I spend on your job outside the walls of the school, and also wouldn't have covered the required summer training, but you can see how I didn't consider $16,200 a year before taxes to be 'well'.


I do make a salary, but it can't be said to be good, either. $30,671 pretaxes, insurance and retirement is not that great. It's enough for me because I'm single, with no debt. However, in my district, there haven't been raises in 8 years. I'm beginning a masters degree in August, and money is going to be really tight for me.
 
2012-05-23 12:19:25 AM

Virtuoso80: A fair salary for:

A lousy teacher - None, fire them
An competent teacher - 40-50k (obviously region dependent)
A fantastic teacher - 200k+

The problem is not that some teachers make a lot, it's that all teachers make roughly the same regardless of performance, and once they get tenure it's hard to get rid of them. I can understand tenure for some brilliant, exceptional and driven mind to be free to pursue knowledge in the heights of academia, but it's absurd to think every school teacher in the US deserves it simply for being a teacher.

We WISH all out kids' teachers could be deserving of such treatment, and fit with those wonderful notions of education we have, but the left-wing notion seems to be that we should treat all teachers as paragons of that loftiest educational ideal regardless of whether they deserve it or not. Meanwhile, the right-wing notion is seems to be that all teachers are overpaid morons (and yet somehow, simultaneously, brilliantly shrewd indoctrinators of left-wing ideology). Neither is right, but it is certainly true that we've managed to make teaching a field many of our best and brightest would rather not get involved in.


40-50K for a job that requires an advanced degree and professional certification?

WTF?!?!? I make much more than that with no degree and just a few professional certifications.

You're clueless. Go back to the fry station son.
 
2012-05-23 12:19:58 AM

jjorsett: This is a logical extension of the new Democratic tactic of finding out who supports things Democrats don't like and then going after them. Like Obama attacking Romney donors by name. Welcome to the future you made.


You mean how the Democrats pushed for the Citizens United decision?

And might you have a citation for this claim that Obama has attacked Romney donors?
 
2012-05-23 12:20:58 AM

intelligent comment below: rewind2846: Why are teachers in unions?
Why is there tenure for teachers?
THIS.

/f*cking asshats



Tenure. To keep long serving teachers so experience stays in the classroom rather than large turnover.

Go fark yourself you greedy selfish fark.


"Teachers in Wisconsin have historically been granted what amounts to tenure as long as they are renewed by their districts after a three-year probationary teaching period."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/usandworld/teacher-tenure-now-focus-of-c h ange-debate-o33u6bc-138022243.html

3 years and then basically how well you teach no longer matters? You consider that "long serving"?

I'm pretty liberal and that seem like some bs to me.
 
2012-05-23 12:21:01 AM

jjorsett: So if they're being paid crap wages, this flyer should expose that fact, right? Won't it engender sympathy for them rather than animosity: "Look honey, these poor schlubs are getting paid worse than field hands. We have to demand the government raise their pay!"


Well they are earning less than the average household.

And this doesn't take into account their student loan debt.
 
2012-05-23 12:21:32 AM
Without quoting precious posters regarding tenure, I suppose like everything there's a downside to many policies. Buy I look at tenure like I look at life appointments for some judges. I've seen the politics at play and the pressure they are under...
Ah, fark it. Generally, young teachers have to display a high level of ingenuity and dedication under ridiculous restrictions to survive to tenure. And again, generally, those that reach that point deserve the protection to work their craft with the creativity and insight they've acquired.

I know there are shiatty teachers that make it to tenure. I just wish that there was a better way to cull them out early without also impeding the dedicated and promising.

Caveat: I'm hammered do sorry if this is incoherent

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2012-05-23 12:23:32 AM

jprue24: intelligent comment below: rewind2846: Why are teachers in unions?
Why is there tenure for teachers?
THIS.

/f*cking asshats



Tenure. To keep long serving teachers so experience stays in the classroom rather than large turnover.

Go fark yourself you greedy selfish fark.

"Teachers in Wisconsin have historically been granted what amounts to tenure as long as they are renewed by their districts after a three-year probationary teaching period."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/usandworld/teacher-tenure-now-focus-of-c h ange-debate-o33u6bc-138022243.html

3 years and then basically how well you teach no longer matters? You consider that "long serving"?

I'm pretty liberal and that seem like some bs to me.


Considering the average probationary period in other fields is 6-9 months, 3 years seems kinda long to be on vocational probation actually.
 
2012-05-23 12:23:54 AM

jjorsett: This is a logical extension of the new Democratic tactic


lol....."This is the fault of the democrats!"

Truly, you're a numbskull.
 
2012-05-23 12:24:06 AM

Selena Luna: Karac: Jim_Callahan: //US teachers are actually paid quite well. Not instant millionaires or anything, but still, they make a lot more than I do, and I'm doing fine.

Starting salaries for new teachers in South Carolina is ten dollars an hour. Well, that's not exactly a salary, but an hourly wage, and in no way accounted for the time I spend on your job outside the walls of the school, and also wouldn't have covered the required summer training, but you can see how I didn't consider $16,200 a year before taxes to be 'well'.

I do make a salary, but it can't be said to be good, either. $30,671 pretaxes, insurance and retirement is not that great.


DOH, how did I forget that?!?!? New teachers in SC don't get insurance or retiremtent either, just the straight $10 and hour. Oh, and if you have to take a sick day, you're substitue's pay get taken out of your pay. It is the only job I've ever heard of where if you're sick you not only don't get paid for that day, but in fact get fined.
 
2012-05-23 12:25:40 AM
Many other fields are not instructing our next generation.

You guys really should check out Waiting for Superman.
 
2012-05-23 12:30:06 AM
Also, let's not forget - let's not forget, Dude - that distributing leaflets, on uh, school, you know, within the property - that aint legal either.
 
2012-05-23 12:32:00 AM

X-boxershorts: Virtuoso80: A fair salary for:

A lousy teacher - None, fire them
An competent teacher - 40-50k (obviously region dependent)
A fantastic teacher - 200k+

40-50K for a job that requires an advanced degree and professional certification?

WTF?!?!? I make much more than that with no degree and just a few professional certifications.

You're clueless. Go back to the fry station son.


What field are you in? 40-50k is a pretty standard salary for a 30-something these days, and I know many who make less, even here on Long Island which has quite a high cost of living.
 
2012-05-23 12:33:01 AM

intelligent comment below: How dare someone responsible for my child's education get paid well?!?!? HOW DARE THEY??!?!


When you get paid by the taxpayer, that's theft.
 
2012-05-23 12:33:24 AM

Virtuoso80: X-boxershorts: Virtuoso80: A fair salary for:

A lousy teacher - None, fire them
An competent teacher - 40-50k (obviously region dependent)
A fantastic teacher - 200k+

40-50K for a job that requires an advanced degree and professional certification?

WTF?!?!? I make much more than that with no degree and just a few professional certifications.

You're clueless. Go back to the fry station son.

What field are you in? 40-50k is a pretty standard salary for a 30-something these days, and I know many who make less, even here on Long Island which has quite a high cost of living.


Network Engineering.
 
2012-05-23 12:36:09 AM

Karac: Selena Luna: Karac: Jim_Callahan: //US teachers are actually paid quite well. Not instant millionaires or anything, but still, they make a lot more than I do, and I'm doing fine.

Starting salaries for new teachers in South Carolina is ten dollars an hour. Well, that's not exactly a salary, but an hourly wage, and in no way accounted for the time I spend on your job outside the walls of the school, and also wouldn't have covered the required summer training, but you can see how I didn't consider $16,200 a year before taxes to be 'well'.

I do make a salary, but it can't be said to be good, either. $30,671 pretaxes, insurance and retirement is not that great.

DOH, how did I forget that?!?!? New teachers in SC don't get insurance or retiremtent either, just the straight $10 and hour. Oh, and if you have to take a sick day, you're substitue's pay get taken out of your pay. It is the only job I've ever heard of where if you're sick you not only don't get paid for that day, but in fact get fined.


There are always openings for teachers on the Navajo rez...
 
2012-05-23 12:39:31 AM

Mentat: intelligent comment below: How dare someone responsible for my child's education get paid well?!?!? HOW DARE THEY??!?!



Just because they're responsible for your child's education doesn't mean that they live up to everything you wish that to entail. My niece recently told her teacher she wanted to do a project about Ancient Roman merchant ships, and the teacher responded that she had to check because she didn't know if the Romans actually had merchant ships or not. Clearly, this is a person who should be making six-figures, right?
 
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