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2012-05-22 08:27:24 PM
Because anyone cares about someone who wasn't cooked up by Stan Lee.
 
2012-05-22 08:28:00 PM
Will it involve a male -> female transgendered person?
 
2012-05-22 08:30:25 PM
Northstar and whoever?
Namor and Hercules?
 
2012-05-22 08:43:52 PM
Call me when Magneto finally marries Xaiver.

Seriously, that would be newsworthy. They could make a whole a comic of this Northstar doing anything and no one would notice.
 
2012-05-22 08:45:47 PM
"will take pages"

lol wut?
 
2012-05-22 08:48:15 PM

doglover: Because anyone cares about someone who wasn't cooked up by Stan Lee.


Some guy you may have heard of not created by Stan Lee.

/bub
 
2012-05-22 08:56:59 PM

SilentStrider: doglover: Because anyone cares about someone who wasn't cooked up by Stan Lee.

Some guy you may have heard of not created by Stan Lee.

/bub


oi55.tinypic.com


Besides, were it not for Stan Lee, the X Men woulda died a slow obscure death like Black Panther.

Instead, they because the mainest of mainstream Marvel characters. He didn't create them, but he did save them. That and you've got the Avengers now and fark but they're all his babies.

I'm still waiting for the Squirrel Girl and Deadpool movie series. Hell Deadpool is a great character all by himself in ANY movie and they have Ryan Renolds and a big war chest with their recent success. Let's see the Merc with the Mouth take on Iron Man (aka Robert Downey Jr) in a film. It would be awesome.
 
2012-05-22 09:20:46 PM
Actually, wasn't the whole Northstar wedding thing out there before DC's "ME TOO! ME TOO!" attention whoring announcement?
 
2012-05-22 09:58:43 PM
Great. So gay people are mutants.
 
2012-05-22 10:03:52 PM

vygramul: Great. So gay people are mutants.


Wasn't that already covered in X-Men 3 with Gandalf teh Ghey crossing the Golden Gate in San Francisco wearing his purple helmet to fight people who want to cure him?
 
2012-05-23 12:09:02 AM
Bacon and gays... sheesh, enough already.
 
2012-05-23 12:22:22 AM
I don't understand the need to placate such a tiny minority of the population.
 
2012-05-23 12:26:09 AM

moothemagiccow: I don't understand the need to placate such a tiny minority of the population.


You mean people who still buy comic books, right?
 
2012-05-23 12:26:30 AM
Surprised Devin Grayson isn't spearheading this one. She has a habit of shoehorning a character into a story instead of letting a story evolve naturally.
 
2012-05-23 12:31:23 AM

untaken_name: moothemagiccow: I don't understand the need to placate such a tiny minority of the population.

You mean people who still buy comic books, right?


Gay people who still buy comic books
 
2012-05-23 12:35:12 AM
i486.photobucket.com
Is this going to make headlines every time it happens?
 
2012-05-23 12:37:43 AM
Didn't they already do this in Archie comics this year?

Way to stay ahead of the curve.
 
2012-05-23 12:40:46 AM
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2012-05-23 12:41:34 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Actually, wasn't the whole Northstar wedding thing out there before DC's "ME TOO! ME TOO!" attention whoring announcement?


Yep.
 
2012-05-23 12:42:41 AM

limboslam: [i486.photobucket.com image 300x231]
Is this going to make headlines every time it happens?


As long as the fundies and right-wingers continue to get all butthurt over it, you bet.
 
2012-05-23 12:44:18 AM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-23 12:45:01 AM

moothemagiccow: untaken_name: moothemagiccow: I don't understand the need to placate such a tiny minority of the population.

You mean people who still buy comic books, right?

Gay people who still buy comic books


Wait, there are straight people who want to look at pictures of heavily-muscled dudes flexing in lycra jumpsuits?
 
2012-05-23 12:53:54 AM

untaken_name: moothemagiccow: untaken_name: moothemagiccow: I don't understand the need to placate such a tiny minority of the population.

You mean people who still buy comic books, right?

Gay people who still buy comic books

Wait, there are straight people who want to look at pictures of heavily-muscled dudes flexing in lycra jumpsuits?


And that's one of the major problems with the comics industry... when people think comics, they think superheroes. In a healthy comics industry, superheroes would be a niche, not the bread and butter.

But, better to keep the few hardcore fans you have left, and keep throwing out lame gimmicks to get as many of that small number as possible to buy rather than try to expand beyond that pitifully small fanbase.
 
2012-05-23 12:54:16 AM

untaken_name: moothemagiccow: untaken_name: moothemagiccow: I don't understand the need to placate such a tiny minority of the population.

You mean people who still buy comic books, right?

Gay people who still buy comic books

Wait, there are straight people who want to look at pictures of heavily-muscled dudes flexing in lycra jumpsuits?


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-05-23 12:56:54 AM

Trocadero: untaken_name: moothemagiccow: untaken_name: moothemagiccow: I don't understand the need to placate such a tiny minority of the population.

You mean people who still buy comic books, right?

Gay people who still buy comic books

Wait, there are straight people who want to look at pictures of heavily-muscled dudes flexing in lycra jumpsuits?

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 579x458]


Ah, so it's not gay people, it's emotionally stunted manchildren who need to buy crudely drawn, clothed boobs instead of looking at the massive amount of free internet porn available?

/you didn't help, you only made things worse.
 
2012-05-23 01:00:49 AM

rkane1: Didn't they already do this in Archie comics this year?

Way to stay ahead of the curve.


Yep. About four months ago:

http://bit.ly/KzpkUd

Interracial, too! Giggity.
 
2012-05-23 03:21:38 AM

vygramul: Great. So gay people are mutants.


They already are.
 
2012-05-23 03:28:33 AM
didio makes batman gay, i wonder how long till his contract gets retconed
 
2012-05-23 03:32:13 AM
The X-men suck, and have almost always sucked. They're the comic book equivalent of a gang, and an exceptionally whiny gang at that.

/dirty mutants
//seriously "No More Mutants!"
 
2012-05-23 03:49:28 AM
DC's decision to out a gay character

Way to stay ahead of the curve, DC.

/go Northstar!
//dnrtfa
 
2012-05-23 04:07:35 AM

robohobo: The X-men suck, and have almost always sucked. They're the comic book equivalent of a gang, and an exceptionally whiny gang at that.

/dirty mutants
//seriously "No More Mutants!"

Chronicle

did a really good job at completely shooting down the "awkward teenager/outcast gets superpowers" angle. The once bullied quickly becomes the bully. In all the farking issues of X-Men....not one mutant teenager decided to vaporize their high school? Seriously?

The whining, melodrama and bloated roster make the series become quickly intolerable for me personally. Most of the movies I did actually like (You cannot go wrong with casting Sir Patrick Stewart as Professor X) surprisingly.

Oh, if you really despise the X-Men.....Garth Ennis does a wonderful job brutally murdering a not so-subtle parody in The Boys.
 
2012-05-23 04:48:30 AM
Do the gay reveals or whatever actually even move comics anymore? I mean, I understand how it works in theory: make a character dramatically reveal that he's a member of some subculture, splash it on the front page, local news realizes it can use it as an excuse to do a fluff piece on said subculture (the primary way local news fills otherwise dead airtime), national news notices local news doing it, bam, free advertising. But it seems like they're about 5 or 10 years late for gay folk to be considered a separate subculture rather than a fairly seamless subsection of regular culture.

So, basically... is this actually going to accomplish anything?

PiffMan420: Chronicle did a really good job at completely shooting down the "awkward teenager/outcast gets superpowers" angle. The once bullied quickly becomes the bully. In all the farking issues of X-Men....not one mutant teenager decided to vaporize their high school? Seriously?


To be fair, I think the general plotline of X-Men is that Professor X finds new mutants and mind-rapes them into the herd, so it's not like they have the free will to do anything un-heroic, especially since he keeps them in their pre-adolescent mentality so they can't grow up and fight back against him.

Plus the kid in Chronicle that went bad wasn't an "outcast" so much as an outright victim of constant physical abuse. Most teenagers would use superpowers like the two dumbshiat kids in the movie, not Evil McEvilpants.
 
2012-05-23 04:56:27 AM
Twenty says that it's the current Green Lantern
 
2012-05-23 05:02:02 AM

rogue49: Twenty says that it's the current Green Lantern


It's already been stated that it's and established someone who has yet to be introduced to the 52niverse.

It won't be anyone important.
 
2012-05-23 05:20:41 AM

Jim_Callahan: Do the gay reveals or whatever actually even move comics anymore? I mean, I understand how it works in theory: make a character dramatically reveal that he's a member of some subculture, splash it on the front page, local news realizes it can use it as an excuse to do a fluff piece on said subculture (the primary way local news fills otherwise dead airtime), national news notices local news doing it, bam, free advertising. But it seems like they're about 5 or 10 years late for gay folk to be considered a separate subculture rather than a fairly seamless subsection of regular culture.

So, basically... is this actually going to accomplish anything?
.


No,.

At the most, it will be a sales spike of a few months for whatever character they retcon into being gay. If it's a new book that isn't about Superman, Batman, or Green Lantern, it'll start out with fair-to-middlin' sales, and be moving less than 30,000 copies within six months to a year, canceled or rebooted again within 18 months to two years.

Basically, all stunts like this do is bring in a large amount of outsiders for one month, who promptly never buy another comic book again, and pisses off quite a few of the remaining die-hard fans that the big two shuffle around like deck chairs on the Titanic because it's just too hard to figure out how to expand their audience past the 250,000 fanboys they currently have.

Stunts like these generally do not bring in new readers. The sales do not stay at a decent level, and the books always fall back to their old sales levels, if not lower sales levels.
 
2012-05-23 05:58:31 AM
I'm all for promoting gay rights, but I'll be honest, everytime I see gay characters in comics of any sort it seems to be a cheap ploy of sensationalism or titulation rather than a statement.
 
2012-05-23 06:44:30 AM

Terrible Old Man: I'm all for promoting gay rights, but I'll be honest, everytime I see gay characters in comics of any sort it seems to be a cheap ploy of sensationalism or titulation rather than a statement.


So... don't read a lot of comics, then? Because that's why literally every single element of teen comics (superhero comics especially) goes into them, from the gravity-defying female costumes to the very special episodes about drug abuse to the repeated killing and resurrecting of every character ever. Comics in general can be argued to have significant artistic merit, but superhero comics are figuratively and sometimes literally pulp lit, not meaningful literature. Sensationalism and titillation are the name of the game, you're more likely to get meaningful statements from the National Enquirer interviewing the Bat Boy.
 
2012-05-23 07:29:53 AM
Wait, DC finally outed Aquaman?
 
2012-05-23 07:30:43 AM
Lol. It would be the X-Men. The few recent ones that I've read have been nothing more than a WB teen drama. X-Men hasn't been worth reading in a while.
 
2012-05-23 07:42:34 AM

Terrible Old Man: I'm all for promoting gay rights, but I'll be honest, everytime I see gay characters in comics of any sort it seems to be a cheap ploy of sensationalism or titulation rather than a statement.


I would recommend Batwoman: Elegy for you. She's gay, but they actually make it fit into the character rather well.
 
2012-05-23 07:57:36 AM
It's going to be Alan Scott, by the way.
 
2012-05-23 08:20:45 AM

PonceAlyosha: It's going to be Alan Scott, by the way.


Doiby?
 
2012-05-23 08:32:33 AM
I love how DC is always at least ten years behind Marvel on innovations.

Marvel puts out their Ultimates line, and a decade later, DC pulls their "52" stuff, for example.


Reminds me about an anecdote Stan Lee once told about how the "Marvel Bullpen" used to drive the staff at DC totally batsh*t in the 60's. DC would think that Marvel's increased sales were due to their covers having dialogue, so DC would do the same, only to find out that Marvel found out about the tactic so they would then do covers without the dialogue and yet still have higher sales numbers.

It's like DC was the Jay Leno of comics publishing.
 
2012-05-23 08:33:03 AM

limboslam: [i486.photobucket.com image 300x231]
Is this going to make headlines every time it happens?


I'm glad you posted that, because that's the first thing I thought of.
 
2012-05-23 08:40:58 AM
Mugato: Wasn't that already covered in X-Men 3 with Gandalf teh Ghey crossing the Golden Gate in San Francisco wearing his purple helmet to fight people who want to cure him?

OMG, Mugato--that is so obvious, and yet it never occurred to me. Now I'm going to have to re-watch that scene with "I Will Survive" playing in the background. That would be much more fitting.
 
2012-05-23 08:44:29 AM

TV's Vinnie: I love how DC is always at least ten years behind Marvel on innovations.

Marvel puts out their Ultimates line, and a decade later, DC pulls their "52" stuff, for example.


Reminds me about an anecdote Stan Lee once told about how the "Marvel Bullpen" used to drive the staff at DC totally batsh*t in the 60's. DC would think that Marvel's increased sales were due to their covers having dialogue, so DC would do the same, only to find out that Marvel found out about the tactic so they would then do covers without the dialogue and yet still have higher sales numbers.

It's like DC was the Jay Leno of comics publishing.


Actually, DC's attempt to crib off the Ultimates line was the All Star books, of which only two were made.
 
2012-05-23 09:20:38 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Actually, wasn't the whole Northstar wedding thing out there before DC's "ME TOO! ME TOO!" attention whoring announcement?


Me too?

DC had a same sex marriage YEARS before the thing was even a topic of national discussion.
 
2012-05-23 09:25:33 AM

Jim_Callahan: To be fair, I think the general plotline of X-Men is that Professor X finds new mutants and mind-rapes them into the herd, so it's not like they have the free will to do anything un-heroic, especially since he keeps them in their pre-adolescent mentality so they can't grow up and fight back against him.


zulfiqar.typepad.com
 
2012-05-23 09:27:37 AM
I was hoping it would be Rictor and Shatterstar, but I guess Star is way too big of a manwhore to settle down.
 
2012-05-23 09:48:03 AM

PonceAlyosha: It's going to be Alan Scott, by the way.


Alan Scott and Jay Garrick coming out as longtime secret gay lovers would be EPIC.
 
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