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2012-05-22 05:17:03 PM
Report the nurse to the nursing board and get her license suspended or revoked for causing harm to a person under her care. Even in FL there must be repercussions for idiotic acts of purposeful harm to a minor. Go after the school for failure to act and the nurse could have been shielded by a good sam law if she would have done the right thing and relieved suffering.
 
2012-05-22 05:21:41 PM
Is there a requirement that people be lobotomized or bludgeoned in the head before accepting an administrative job in a school?
 
2012-05-22 05:30:34 PM
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"WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU BREATHING!"
 
2012-05-22 05:45:23 PM
I'm so glad I'm not a parent. If this were my child, I'd be getting into possible prison time levels of consequence as a result of an angry, impulsive physical response.
 
2012-05-22 05:50:00 PM

Cythraul: I'm so glad I'm not a parent. If this were my child, I'd be getting into possible prison time levels of consequence as a result of an angry, impulsive physical response.


there would have been blood, and not my blood
 
2012-05-22 05:54:50 PM
Why are these people still alive, healthy, and walking about in position of authority?

That energy from Tot Mom *and* George Zimmerman have to channelled somewhere.
 
2012-05-22 05:56:45 PM
Unfortunately, the law is the law and people who are charged with the care of children are under very strict laws. I ran residential programs for youth and the law is quite clear. If the paperwork is not in order, then the drugs are not allowed onsite, nor can they be administered. Often parents do not fill out the required paperwork and it is their laziness that puts the child in danger. Not everyone is covered by the good Sam laws. Professionals are not for example. Likewise if you are trained in CPR and !1st Aid, you must perform up to the standards of your training.

Many times we had to reject meds on site, because it was illegal for us to have them onsite or make them available. The Nurse followed the law, the parents made the drug unavailable.

That being said, if you are not a professional and want to administer a controlled drug, well you are probably free and clear. YMMV.
 
2012-05-22 05:56:46 PM

exick: Is there a requirement that people be lobotomized or bludgeoned in the head before accepting an administrative job in a school?


Only if signing an all inclusive CYA statement that you will enforce is considered a lobotomy. Its like this to reduce costs and occurance of lawsuits by removing any potential ambiguity.

Oh, and you don't get the job if you don't sign.
 
2012-05-22 06:09:22 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: Unfortunately, the law is the law and people who are charged with the care of children are under very strict laws. I ran residential programs for youth and the law is quite clear. If the paperwork is not in order, then the drugs are not allowed onsite, nor can they be administered. Often parents do not fill out the required paperwork and it is their laziness that puts the child in danger. Not everyone is covered by the good Sam laws. Professionals are not for example. Likewise if you are trained in CPR and !1st Aid, you must perform up to the standards of your training.

Many times we had to reject meds on site, because it was illegal for us to have them onsite or make them available. The Nurse followed the law, the parents made the drug unavailable.

That being said, if you are not a professional and want to administer a controlled drug, well you are probably free and clear. YMMV.


Every rule has exceptions. If a child is endangered by not receiving medication, the professional could be found liable for harm done by denying it.

There is a balance to be had and it is always better to err on the side of not letting the kid die or suffer.
 
2012-05-22 06:27:24 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: Unfortunately, the law is the law and people who are charged with the care of children are under very strict laws. I ran residential programs for youth and the law is quite clear. If the paperwork is not in order, then the drugs are not allowed onsite, nor can they be administered. Often parents do not fill out the required paperwork and it is their laziness that puts the child in danger. Not everyone is covered by the good Sam laws. Professionals are not for example. Likewise if you are trained in CPR and !1st Aid, you must perform up to the standards of your training.

Many times we had to reject meds on site, because it was illegal for us to have them onsite or make them available. The Nurse followed the law, the parents made the drug unavailable.

That being said, if you are not a professional and want to administer a controlled drug, well you are probably free and clear. YMMV.


You have to balance that against the fact that if you harm someone's kid you may very well die a slow and excruciating death. And I'd be right there with pliers and a blow torch.
 
2012-05-22 06:46:22 PM

Ambivalence: Fear_and_Loathing: Unfortunately, the law is the law and people who are charged with the care of children are under very strict laws. I ran residential programs for youth and the law is quite clear. If the paperwork is not in order, then the drugs are not allowed onsite, nor can they be administered. Often parents do not fill out the required paperwork and it is their laziness that puts the child in danger. Not everyone is covered by the good Sam laws. Professionals are not for example. Likewise if you are trained in CPR and !1st Aid, you must perform up to the standards of your training.

Many times we had to reject meds on site, because it was illegal for us to have them onsite or make them available. The Nurse followed the law, the parents made the drug unavailable.

That being said, if you are not a professional and want to administer a controlled drug, well you are probably free and clear. YMMV.

Every rule has exceptions. If a child is endangered by not receiving medication, the professional could be found liable for harm done by denying it.

There is a balance to be had and it is always better to err on the side of not letting the kid die or suffer.


Not when kids lie like motherfarkers and the point is to stop lawsuits.

And why is nobody pissed at the parents for not signing the damn form? The kid would have been fine if the parents didn't fark up too.

I don't know what the fark is up with the nurse but she isn't the only failure here.

But we're here to bash the schools, not be objective with our hate, right?
 
2012-05-22 06:58:45 PM

GAT_00: And why is nobody pissed at the parents for not signing the damn form? The kid would have been fine if the parents didn't fark up too.

I don't know what the fark is up with the nurse but she isn't the only failure here.

But we're here to bash the schools, not be objective with our hate, right?


I withhold my judgment over the parents because no information is given as to why the parents had not signed the form. There may be a good excuse. The circumstances surrounding the school's decisions seem to be pretty well laid out, however.
 
2012-05-22 07:06:25 PM

Cythraul: GAT_00: And why is nobody pissed at the parents for not signing the damn form? The kid would have been fine if the parents didn't fark up too.

I don't know what the fark is up with the nurse but she isn't the only failure here.

But we're here to bash the schools, not be objective with our hate, right?

I withhold my judgment over the parents because no information is given as to why the parents had not signed the form. There may be a good excuse. The circumstances surrounding the school's decisions seem to be pretty well laid out, however.


It's your child's life. You have to know how this is, it's the same everywhere. They would have sent a form on the first day, requiring a sign, saying ANY meds are subject to approval, to be held by the nurse, and requiring a sign. It was that way when i was in HS a decade ago, and it hasn't changed by all accounts.

In other words, the parents clearly farked up too.
 
2012-05-22 07:07:07 PM
Shouldn't the doctor's prescription trump the need for a parents signature? The child was in the care of medically licensed professorial.
 
2012-05-22 07:30:23 PM

GAT_00: And why is nobody pissed at the parents for not signing the damn form? The kid would have been fine if the parents didn't fark up too.

I don't know what the fark is up with the nurse but she isn't the only failure here.

But we're here to bash the schools, not be objective with our hate, right?


Who said anything about hate? This isn't about hate at all. All I'm saying is if there is an urgent need for immediate medical care, no one is going to defend a person who uses beurocracy as an excuse to withhold that care. You may be "technically right" but that's a cold victory when a kid is in the hospital or worse. You can't control what other people do, but you can control what you do (or don't do).

We're not Vogons here, and I've worked in governemnt long enough to know, for every rule there are always exceptions.
 
2012-05-22 07:41:21 PM
So the nurse couldn't give the kid the inhaler because of no signed form. The parent's real beef, from reading the article, was why didn't the idiot nurse call 911 when the kid was passing out?
 
2012-05-22 07:44:16 PM
By bravely adhering to the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law this nurse has made herself a hero.
 
2012-05-22 08:10:22 PM

frito123: So the nurse couldn't give the kid the inhaler because of no signed form. The parent's real beef, from reading the article, was why didn't the idiot nurse call 911 when the kid was passing out?


This. The nurse was correct that she couldn't give him the meds, but not calling 911 is a complete mystery. If she can't think to do that, she shouldn't have any sort of medical license.
 
2012-05-22 08:13:57 PM
remember folks, a dead kid is preferable to explaining why you had to break the rules.
 
2012-05-22 08:17:02 PM

SilentStrider: remember folks, a dead kid is preferable to explaining why you had to break the rules.


Explains my basement...
 
2012-05-22 08:17:31 PM

Cythraul: I'm so glad I'm not a parent. If this were my child, I'd be getting into possible prison time levels of consequence as a result of an angry, impulsive physical response.


Same here. For the life of me I can't imagine why this idiot nurse didn't call 911. Did she plan to just stand there and watch the boy die? I understand that she didn't have the authority to give the boy his rescue inhaler, but I find it hard to believe she wouldn't be allowed to call 911.
 
2012-05-22 08:20:42 PM

Jamdug!: SilentStrider: remember folks, a dead kid is preferable to explaining why you had to break the rules.

Explains my basement...


nothing explains your basement.
 
2012-05-22 08:21:59 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Same here. For the life of me I can't imagine why this idiot nurse didn't call 911. Did she plan to just stand there and watch the boy die?


No, according to the article she closed the door on him when he started to pass out. so...She was wasn't going to WATCH him die.
 
2012-05-22 08:39:25 PM

Ambivalence: Bathia_Mapes: Same here. For the life of me I can't imagine why this idiot nurse didn't call 911. Did she plan to just stand there and watch the boy die?

No, according to the article she closed the door on him when he started to pass out. so...She was wasn't going to WATCH him die.


I missed that part, but it was probably because I was so upset that I didn't read it as thoroughly as I should have.
 
2012-05-22 08:47:19 PM
She locked the door. Did she lock the door with him on the inside (kidnapping), or lock it with her on one side and him on the other (goodbye, nursing license)? I really, really want to know.

Of course, it was a Volusia County school, and the kid was somewhat brown. Nurse probably figured he had crack in the inhaler.

/fire her
//sue the school
///this is why there shouldn't be caps on damages. Teach the farkers a lesson that every district in the nation hears.
 
2012-05-22 09:24:07 PM

eurotrader: Report the nurse to the nursing board and get her license suspended or revoked for causing harm to a person under her care.


If the nurse was following the school policy, she can't be touched. If she had broken the rule, she'd probably have been fired.
 
2012-05-22 09:24:35 PM

SilentStrider: Jamdug!: SilentStrider: remember folks, a dead kid is preferable to explaining why you had to break the rules.

Explains my basement...

nothing explains your basement.


That's true, it was just a joke.

/it's more of a crawlspace...
 
2012-05-22 09:24:59 PM
Drugs are bad, mmmkay?
 
2012-05-22 09:25:23 PM
Stories like this make me glad I wasn't born in a later year. I used to take Advil to school every month for those girl problems, never got hassled for it. Now, if you even admit to taking a painkiller after hours, the school officials will probably drug screen you...

/never did 'real' drugs
//these days the distinction hardly matters
 
2012-05-22 09:25:38 PM
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2012-05-22 09:26:50 PM
I make lunch for a type I diabetic 10 year old daily. If I do not include a complete Carb count they will not let her dose. Even with foods she knows by memory or on the package. I must write it or they call me for a verbal. I appreciate the safety measure but if my kid is feeling like high bg is inevitable she is under my order to dose and I'll follow up with the school. If they withheld her dose and she went dka or worse I'd be very angry.
 
2012-05-22 09:27:42 PM

ArkAngel: frito123: So the nurse couldn't give the kid the inhaler because of no signed form. The parent's real beef, from reading the article, was why didn't the idiot nurse call 911 when the kid was passing out?

This. The nurse was correct that she couldn't give him the meds, but not calling 911 is a complete mystery. If she can't think to do that, she shouldn't have any sort of medical license.


True. Not that anyone should give the parents an out for not doing something so simple and important as signing a release form for a frickin' inhaler, but still dumb. Dumb on both sides, really.
 
2012-05-22 09:28:42 PM
Zero Tolerance!

It's works sooo well!
 
2012-05-22 09:29:00 PM
"I'm in a burning building, a man is trapped under a beam. What's my liability if I help him?"
*tick*
"Uh-huh, I thought so. Stan, we're gonna wait on the lawn and see how this plays out."

/not verbatim
//nor obscure
 
2012-05-22 09:29:13 PM
I'm still confused how Florida Tag trumped Dumbass Tag...

O_o

School systems are full of Fail/Dumbass
 
2012-05-22 09:29:26 PM

9beers: eurotrader: Report the nurse to the nursing board and get her license suspended or revoked for causing harm to a person under her care.

If the nurse was following the school policy, she can't be touched. If she had broken the rule, she'd probably have been fired.


Well, she can be gotten on the basis she didn't call 911.
 
2012-05-22 09:29:55 PM
This is the culture helicopter parents have created with their incessant litigant bullshiat.

Let them savour the fruits of their efforts.
 
2012-05-22 09:31:00 PM

ArkAngel: frito123: So the nurse couldn't give the kid the inhaler because of no signed form. The parent's real beef, from reading the article, was why didn't the idiot nurse call 911 when the kid was passing out?

This. The nurse was correct that she couldn't give him the meds, but not calling 911 is a complete mystery. If she can't think to do that, she shouldn't have any sort of medical license.


Notice that we have one side of the story: the plaintiff's. The plaintiff that has been coached by her lawyer. You'd be amazed at the gulf of truth extending between some personal injury lawyers' mouths in public and the actual tale argued in court.

I'll reserve my judgment of the school just as I'll reserve my judgment of the parent that didn't sign the release for junior's meds. The paperwork to be a parent can be overwhelming at times. Not kidding.
 
2012-05-22 09:31:10 PM
In Texas 17 is a legal adult, in much of the nation 18 is.

If he's 18 he doesn't need parental consent. Considering he's a senior and it's May he's probably at least 18.

He's now able to file theft, reckless endangerment, attempted manslaughter, and failure to render aid charges on the school.

Hope they have an emergency butt-plug stash.
 
2012-05-22 09:31:21 PM
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. And those who can't even do that become school administrators.
 
2012-05-22 09:32:04 PM

9beers: eurotrader: Report the nurse to the nursing board and get her license suspended or revoked for causing harm to a person under her care.

If the nurse was following the school policy, she can't be touched. If she had broken the rule, she'd probably have been fired.


Still no excuse for her not calling 911. I doubt such a rule forbidding her to do so was in place.
 
2012-05-22 09:32:27 PM
As an asthmatic, I can only say that if I had a child with asthma who had their inhaler denied, I would go ballistic on them...wheezy, but ballistic.

/DNRTFA...maybe I missed relevant bits.
 
2012-05-22 09:32:35 PM
Darwin weeps in the corner.
 
2012-05-22 09:33:12 PM

Cythraul: GAT_00: And why is nobody pissed at the parents for not signing the damn form? The kid would have been fine if the parents didn't fark up too.

I don't know what the fark is up with the nurse but she isn't the only failure here.

But we're here to bash the schools, not be objective with our hate, right?

I withhold my judgment over the parents because no information is given as to why the parents had not signed the form. There may be a good excuse. The circumstances surrounding the school's decisions seem to be pretty well laid out, however.


According to the article parents have to sign it every year. The school had a record of having previous forms. While not a excuse for the parents - it does prove the school should have done something given it was an emergency.

To be honest the forms are a joke. If you have a perscritopn with your name on it you should be able to take it, no questions asked. There is a reason your name is on the bottle.
 
2012-05-22 09:33:50 PM
Better to get by on a technicality than have your life ruined by some idiot administrator or sue happy parent.

Can't do something as simple as clipping a seat belt? Your kid dies, tough shiat.
 
2012-05-22 09:33:51 PM
I don't understand the policy of needing a parent's permission to administer drugs prescribed by a medical professional. Is this a uniquely American thing?
 
2012-05-22 09:34:04 PM
Anyone else think the nurse figured the kid was faking and wouldn't call 911 since he wasn't really in danger ?
Either way, dick move. Kids (and adults, for that matter) DIE from asthma attacks. Even if you suspect the kid is faking, you can't gamble like that.
I have volunteered at my kids school, I know what they are like. I also know what kids are like.
Yeah, mom and/or dad absolutely should have ensured they had a signed authorization form for him. But did they do one and it got lost in the shuffle?
There is a back and forth at some schools about whether kids should be allowed to have inhalers on their person or maintained in the nurses office. I wonder if the parents preferrred to have the kid holding it. With this crap nurse I can see why they would.
Ugh. No heros here. RN should be sanctioned in the very least. Parents should be an example to all chronically ill kids- Check that the medication is authorized and on site BEFORE an emergency.
 
2012-05-22 09:34:06 PM
You know, as farking stupid as zero tolerance policies are, what kind of parent with an asthmatic kid does not make goddamn sure they have all the proper authorization in place so their kid can have their farking inhaler every damned day?

As with most of these infuriating situations, dumbasses on both sides.
 
2012-05-22 09:34:07 PM

Cythraul: I'm so glad I'm not a parent. If this were my child, I'd be getting into possible prison time levels of consequence as a result of an angry, impulsive physical response.

I wouldn't have been such a neglectful retard that I didn't send the proper forms back to school with my precious snowflake.

Fixed that for you.
 
2012-05-22 09:34:28 PM

MrEricSir: Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. And those who can't even do that become school administrators.


Sooooooo much THIS!
 
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